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02:35:24  <Rhamphoryncus> Are UKRS trains supposed to be so expensive to maintain?  Set to medium running cost a 2-8-0 for me is 70k/year, whereas a dutch NS6300 is only 12k/year.  I initially assumed the dutch one was just really cheap, but with the 2-8-0 I can't even hit the running cost, nevermind all the other costs
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08:46:59  <Mazuli112> how to be multiplayer
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10:45:40  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r23907 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Fix: [Makefile] Let "make clean --dry-run" not delete Makefiles.
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10:49:43  <andythenorth> morning
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10:57:40  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r23908 /trunk/Makefile.src.in: -Fix (r22910): [Makefile] Make sure bin/baseset/openttd.32.bmp is removed on make clean.
11:00:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r23909 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix: [SDL] Fix keyboard-related segfault when compiling against SDL 1.3.
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11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r23910 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: (log message trimmed)
11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: [SDL] Handle the SDL_VIDEOEXPOSE event.
11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  - It seems this event is never triggered when using 1.2 (it has some
11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  autorefresh feature which seems to have been removed in 1.3), but in theory
11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  this event could also trigger on 1.2.
11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  - Note that this fixes redraw issues when compiling against SDL 1.3, but it
11:16:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  still uses the "compatibility" rendering API using SDL_SetVideoMode and
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13:48:03  <Stimrol_> hello, looking for help how you can let players change name from chat instead of console, seen in other servers people use "!name newname"
13:50:40  <peter1138> you'd need a server-side script for that
13:52:36  <Stimrol_> is there any place you can find these kind of scripts or are they not out there for download
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13:54:37  <peter1138> not as far as i know
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13:54:56  <Stimrol> okey, thanks
13:55:03  <Ammler> Stimrol_: consult the docs to the 3rd-party software you use, e.g. autopilot you find on DevZone
13:56:20  <Stimrol> ok, I will check that
13:56:54  <Ammler> but autopilot is very old, there might be more modern apps, which use the special admin interface
13:58:23  <Stimrol> you mean searching the bananas server or in development section?
13:58:56  <planetmaker> no, those things are not on bananas.
13:59:02  <Ammler> as said 3rd-party, you find such scripts either on tt-forums or devzone (dev.openttdcoop.org)
14:00:07  <Stimrol> ok thanks for this :)
14:04:09  <Stimrol> btw. this link is not working http://www.codecubes.org/wiki/Avignon
14:06:50  <Stimrol> I found it in the autopilot wiki
14:07:27  <planetmaker> yes, that page expired. You might ask dihedral whether it still exists somewhere
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14:13:49  <Stimrol> I will just stick to the orginal, use console :) but thanks anyway, thought you could maybe use alias or something
14:16:53  <Ammler> what is "original"?
14:18:20  <Ammler> ah console, ok :-)
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14:55:00  <andythenorth> hmm
14:55:11  <andythenorth> have the parameters disappeared from FIRS 0.7.0?
14:56:01  <Belugas> hellp
14:56:04  <Belugas> mmh
14:56:06  <Belugas> hello
14:56:07  <Belugas> :)
14:58:58  <planetmaker> andythenorth, I doubt they disappeared. People just don't know the parameter GUI nor care to look
14:59:13  <planetmaker> hi Belugas
14:59:24  * andythenorth feels like being rude about users
15:02:02  <Belugas> sir maker :)
15:02:24  <Belugas> andythenorth, don't fear to kick the butt when it's needed.  stupidity is neevr welcome
15:02:49  * andythenorth wonders if 'set parameters' is the most obvious label for a button
15:02:58  <andythenorth> 'wtf parameters?' is a fair reaction from a user
15:03:21  <andythenorth> but that speaks to an unfinished GUI rebuild
15:03:25  * andythenorth prods planetmaker
15:03:33  <andythenorth> another fine project we started :)
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15:27:48  <zombi-> Hey
15:28:29  <zombi-> Wondering if anyone might want to come hang out with me and a friend on a server.. help us understand the game.. we want to play it but finding it difficult really understand what the point is
15:28:35  <zombi-> Like growing towns etc
15:28:55  <KenjiE20> there's a point to all this?
15:28:59  <zombi-> And we find some of the wiki a bit overwhelming
15:29:11  <zombi-> Dunno :P
15:32:27  <Ammler> join another server
15:34:26  <zombi-> we're just playing on a server together right now
15:34:30  <zombi-> dont wanna screw up anyones game
15:36:01  <andythenorth> zombi-: there are goals to win
15:36:09  <andythenorth> but after that it's a big sandbox
15:36:17  <andythenorth> surprisingly addictive sandbox
15:36:44  <zombi-> are there?
15:36:49  <zombi-> i thought it was just a sandbox :)
15:37:06  <andythenorth> the original game has a set of goals
15:37:14  <andythenorth> new goals are being developed with scripts
15:37:17  <andythenorth> but they're not done yet
15:37:21  <zombi-> i think part of the problem is we never played the original
15:37:35  <zombi-> parts of the wiki are quite technical
15:38:08  <zombi-> one thing we were stuck on is how to make cities grow
15:38:11  <zombi-> cities/towns
15:38:56  <andythenorth> zombi-: goals are in the company league table http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_interface#Company_and_industry_information
15:38:57  <andythenorth> iirc
15:39:25  <zombi-> right now we're justt playing on the same company
15:39:36  <zombi-> dunno if thats how we're supposed to do it
15:39:38  <andythenorth> you can still play collaboratively to win - if you care
15:39:45  <andythenorth> the goals are interesting the first time round
15:39:53  <andythenorth> once you understand the game, they're pretty easy
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15:40:20  <zombi-> yeah i bet
15:40:32  <andythenorth> zombi-: town growth http://wiki.openttd.org/Towns#Town_Growth
15:40:32  <zombi-> but its understanding it in the first place
15:40:39  <andythenorth> :)
15:40:57  <zombi-> yeah ive read this
15:53:10  <planetmaker> zombi-, just service 5 stations within the town's influence well
15:53:32  <planetmaker> In arctic / tropical make sure to supply (also) the needed cargo like food and / or water
15:53:52  <planetmaker> all bets are off, if you play on a server with a goal script which modifies town growth
15:53:57  <planetmaker> then many things are possible
15:54:15  <planetmaker> and... one can also find a setting in the adv. settings which regulates speed of town growth
15:57:05  <zombi-> oh
15:58:53  <zombi-> meh
15:58:56  <zombi-> now my friend cant connect
15:59:01  <zombi-> keeps saying connection lost
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16:03:05  <planetmaker> connection lost :-P
16:03:44  <zomb--> nah i rebooted my router
16:03:50  <zomb--> but the problem seems to be the map size
16:03:59  <zomb--> i set it to 1024x1024 and she cant connect
16:04:07  <zomb--> but i set it back to 256x256 and its fine.. hmm
16:04:16  <planetmaker> increase the timeout settings
16:04:24  <zomb--> oh
16:04:26  <zomb--> wheres that?
16:04:34  <planetmaker> in the openttd.cfg
16:05:18  <zomb--> its not in the program dir
16:05:45  <planetmaker> yup, it's in the OpenTTD config dir
16:05:56  <planetmaker> ~/.openttd or whereever. Depends on your OS
16:06:06  <zomb--> ok
16:06:35  <zomb--> network_chat_timeout = 20
16:06:40  <zomb--> console_backlog_timeout = 100
16:07:08  <zomb--> max_join_time maybe
16:07:09  <planetmaker> rather like max_join_time
16:07:16  <zomb--> its 500 right now
16:07:22  <zomb--> i guess thats 5 seconds
16:07:35  <planetmaker> @calc 500/74
16:07:35  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 6.75675675676
16:07:37  <zomb--> only need to change it on the server?
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16:07:55  <planetmaker> yes, only server needs to change it
16:08:16  <planetmaker> @calc 0.03 * 500
16:08:16  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 15
16:08:20  <planetmaker> hm, 15 seconds
16:12:23  <zomb--> that was the problem, thanks
16:15:40  <planetmaker> great. You're welcome
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16:31:41  <zomb--> some of the text is too small to see
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16:57:02  <dREALar|lolopentttd> Hi guys, I'm having a hard time installing 1.1.5 on ubuntu 11.04, is there someone that's willing to walk me through it?
16:57:11  *** dREALar|lolopentttd is now known as dREALar
17:03:18  <TrueBrain> apt-get install openttd
17:03:20  <TrueBrain> ? :)
17:03:35  <blathijs> 1.1.5 is not in Debian/Ubuntu yet
17:03:45  <blathijs> dREALar: Did you download the .deb from download.openttd.org?
17:03:49  <TrueBrain> meh; I keep forgetting distros suck for that :)
17:04:02  <TrueBrain> dpkg -i <file.deb> then? :)
17:04:05  <zomb--> how can you speed up trains?
17:04:17  <blathijs> TrueBrain: In this case, it's me who's failing ;-p
17:04:36  <TrueBrain> blathijs: it was not meant as a blame to anyone :) Distros only are a 3rd party, who are not always in sync :)
17:04:54  <blathijs> nearly finished the packaging though, with a handful build improvements as well
17:05:01  <TrueBrain> \o/
17:05:19  <blathijs> dREALar: Hmm, seems download.openttd.org only has versions for 11.10 and 10.04. Did you try both of them?
17:06:07  <dREALar> yeah :(
17:06:24  <michi_cc> Use the linux generic binaries, Ubunutu likes to update ICU each and every release breaking old packages.
17:07:42  <TrueBrain> you make it sound like it is a bad thing they want to keep up with recent releases of ICU :)
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17:12:03  <dREALar> michi_cc can i /query you, i have some questions
17:12:32  <michi_cc> I don't use Ubuntu, so it is unlikely I can answer.
17:13:07  <dREALar> Ah ok, I'm just pretty inexperienced in it myself, have no experience doing anything more than a simple minecraft server on it :(
17:15:04  <TrueBrain> so ask your questions here, plenty of people who might know the answer :)
17:15:39  <dREALar> I'm just trying to figure out how to install 1.1.5 on ubuntu 11.04, if it's at all possible.
17:15:56  <dREALar> agh
17:19:23  <blathijs> dREALar: Did you try the 11.10 and 10.04 versions?
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17:29:21  <TrueBrain> how rude
17:31:27  <Rubidium> pff... ubuntu... either stay current, or stay with "stable". Else it's going to fail ;)
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18:25:28  <frosch123> ah, that's how the world ends!
18:26:16  <frosch123> russia drilled to an antarctic sea, looking for "new species"
18:27:19  <MNIM> blathijs: I don't know about others, but I haven't been able to install OTTD on my 10.10 since 1.1.4 due to a plethora of supposedly missing dependencies.
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18:27:38  <MNIM> however, using generic binaries works flawlessly.
18:29:43  <Rubidium> MNIM: you should be using a Ubuntu LTS or the newest Ubuntu ;)
18:30:10  <MNIM> ehhhhhh, hell no? buntu went to *censored* since 10.
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18:56:34  <__ln__> http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/401166_3121428155432_1256411501_33350038_1835633278_n.jpg
18:58:33  <SpComb> bring your own chalk and graphing calculator
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18:58:43  * SpComb wonders what projection it is
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19:05:25  <TWerkhoven> surely theres a fork of ubuntu somewhere that doesnt have *censored*?
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19:07:12  <Alberth> ih ih
19:07:46  <TWerkhoven> olleh
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19:09:12  <SpComb> TWerkhoven: mint?
19:09:20  <SpComb> as in Mint Linux
19:10:08  <Rubidium> TWerkhoven: not quite a fork, but Debian?
19:10:55  <TWerkhoven> my point exactly
19:11:39  <SpComb> my Ubuntu 9.10 laptop still works kinda fine :)
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19:28:44  <__ln__> inspiration for elrail graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrnlcStma4
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19:33:00  <Wolf01> hello
19:33:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23911 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt):
19:33:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
19:33:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 29 changes by OliTTD
19:33:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by NG
19:35:26  <zomb--> how do you find out if a town hates you? :P
19:35:43  <zomb--> theres a local authority that wont let me build and im wondering how i view my standings with them
19:36:32  <Alberth> euhm, in the town window there is a company rating tab somewhere
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19:47:49  <zomb--> ok
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19:49:38  <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Local_authority_rating   description of the names
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19:56:32  <kais58> whats the option you need to enable to buy companies?
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19:58:48  <andythenorth> evening
19:59:24  <Terkhen> hello
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20:16:11  <__ln__> official movie poster: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7022/6817553905_ec8b002105_b.jpg
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21:03:58  <zomb--> i have low rating with a town... so i cant build there.. and i destroyed my only station.. how can i get good standing again?
21:05:48  <valhalla1w> build trees
21:05:53  <valhalla1w> or bribe them
21:09:00  <Alberth> wait
21:09:13  <Alberth> read the game mechanics page I linked :)
21:09:54  <Alberth> reload an old save game :p
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21:41:10  <Elu> just plant lots of trees
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21:44:32  <andythenorth> wtf
21:44:39  <andythenorth> this wifi works today
21:44:50  * andythenorth can share other dull meta news if required
21:45:18  <SpComb> that's what IRC is for
21:46:26  <andythenorth> also
21:46:27  <andythenorth> for this
21:46:30  <andythenorth> http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/thumb/7/73/Trollface.png/500px-Trollface.png
21:46:34  <andythenorth> somewhat makes sense
21:46:44  <andythenorth> kind of
21:47:03  <andythenorth> mostly irc is for meta-announcements that andythenorth is coding something
21:47:10  <andythenorth> or stuck with coding something
21:47:15  <andythenorth> or bored of coding something
21:47:37  <Terkhen> good night
21:48:26  <andythenorth> or announcing good night :)
21:48:29  <andythenorth> bye Terkhen
21:50:19  <frosch123> hmm, if i use refittable next to refitability, then one of them looks wrong
21:50:29  <andythenorth> refittable refittability
21:50:37  <andythenorth> tautology?
21:50:39  <andythenorth> :P
21:50:45  * andythenorth ponders
21:51:48  <andythenorth> what do I call a property that newgrf author sets explicitly?  author defined?  manually-set?
21:52:25  <frosch123> what properties does a newgrf author not set explicitly?
21:52:39  <andythenorth> ones where they write an algorithm instead :P
21:53:14  <frosch123> can you give an example? :)
21:53:16  <andythenorth> truck weight could be: length * (constant related to truck type)
21:53:26  <andythenorth> which means I don't have to set weight :)
21:53:35  * andythenorth is lazy
21:53:59  <frosch123> ah, so you mean basic and derived properties? :)
21:54:06  <andythenorth> exactly
21:54:06  <Rubidium> formulaed? ;)
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21:57:21  <andythenorth> when do I stop doing 'if type == foo: stuff' and start subclassing trucks for 'foo', 'bar', 'ham', 'eggs' etc?
21:57:36  <andythenorth> I've never really written proper oo stuff
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22:48:37  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:48:48  <frosch123> compilers should enforce a fixed coding style, and vcs should enforce a fixed commit style :s
22:51:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23912 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: When testing whether a engine shall only carry the default cargo, check ctt_include_mask for being empty before applying cargo translation.
22:54:13  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23913 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r23912): Silly typo in comment.
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23:15:55  <frosch123> i assume there is no v7 NewGRF which uses cargobits without cargo translation table :)
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23:22:53  <Hirundo> Perhaps MB has an unreleased one ;-)
23:23:18  <frosch123> GetCargoTranslation is an amazing function. it was fixed at least 3 times, and is still wrong
23:23:37  <frosch123> and yet noone ever added documentation about the parameters passed :p
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23:24:05  <frosch123> fs#2157 is said to have such a GRF though
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23:26:58  <Hirundo> fs2157 sounds ancient
23:27:40  <frosch123> then i am old :p
23:27:53  <frosch123> as i was already dev in july 2008 :p
23:28:53  <frosch123> ah, the grf in fs#2157 defines cargobit = cargoslot for all its cargos
23:29:07  <frosch123> so it still works even if ottd confuses them :p
23:30:12  <frosch123> weird set, it defines 5 cargos and disables everything else
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23:34:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23914 /trunk/src/newgrf_cargo.cpp: -Fix (r11252, r13855): Don't test validity of cargobits using a mask of cargoslots.
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23:36:38  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23915 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Translate refitmask directly after reading it from the GRF.
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23:48:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23916 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp:
23:48:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r23145): When determining the first refittable cargotype according to CTT
23:48:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: order, do not rely on the GRF assigning the refit_mask property. Also check for
23:48:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: GRFs setting the default_cargo or refittable-cargo-classes or -types properties.
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23:48:17  <frosch123> Hirundo: should make you happy :)
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23:52:44  <Hirundo> awesome
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