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00:03:46 <V453000> actually very efficient :p 00:04:26 <V453000> the fast trains cannot go faster than the slow ones anyway, and if they try to, they will just bump into them and make the line less full than it could be 00:04:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the capacity of a (timetabled) line is depending on the difference between the fastest and the slowest train on the line, thus by slowing down the fast trains, you increase capacity 00:06:45 <pjpe> i mean if you buy a faster train but then use it at a lower speed 00:06:55 <pjpe> you paid mostly for the capability of a higher speed 00:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't mean you reduce the speed _all_ the time 00:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you have one very congested section on the main line, that you can't expand 00:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but on the rest of the line you have separated express and cargo trains 00:09:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:09:35 <pjpe> oh it can do that 00:09:43 <pjpe> i thought it was just a speed limit overall 00:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that would have been senseless indeed :p 00:11:04 <pjpe> so how do you set the limit 00:11:05 <pjpe> like 00:11:09 <pjpe> for x days you go max this speed? 00:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, from one waypoint/station to the next 00:12:40 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 00:12:52 <pjpe> and will the auto timetable thing set it 00:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so 00:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i think this scenario screwed me out of half the game... it said capture the 5 elemental cities. and then it ends when i capture the most distant city, without owning all the others 00:26:50 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:25 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 00:30:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 00:32:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 00:34:42 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-86-49-73-178.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216100510]] 07:53:11 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:01:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09eeb8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:18 <dihedral> good morning 08:29:18 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.67.213] has joined #openttd 08:29:18 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.67.213] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:55 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: i'm messing with colors to get a grasp of how to work with an essentially unlimited color palette, and i think we can get some much nicer colors without the limitations of 8bpp 08:32:56 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/cets32.png 08:33:16 <Elukka> just some quick adjustments, but i think it pops out better, besides being more accurate 08:33:28 <Elukka> and it's really easy to make them brighter or darker or whatever 08:33:46 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will not work if you start something like D="fish \" has quotes\"" 09:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> something along the lines of: token = r"[A-Za-z]+", string=r'[^"]+', "list : ", "list : list ',' entry", "entry : token '=' token", "entry : token '=' string" 09:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> modulo whitespace handling 09:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> string = r'"[^"]*"' 09:18:21 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, but you do not necessarily want to keep the quotes in the parsed content. 09:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: that can be handled by an intermediate string token, that strips the quotes 09:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and escaping can be done by string = r'"([^"]|\")*"' or something 09:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> r'"([^"\]|\")*"' 09:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, actually escaping the \ might help :) 09:21:51 <dihedral> :-P 09:22:16 <dihedral> why are you escaping ] 09:22:27 <dihedral> :-P 09:27:30 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-93-93.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 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17:28:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09eeb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:55 <Rubidium> change the MILLISECONDS_PER_TICK variable? 17:29:04 <Rubidium> s/variable/constant/ 17:29:25 <welshdragon> is this in the .cfg file? 17:29:31 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-99-216.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause> of course not 17:31:35 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:32:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.161.171] has joined #openttd 17:32:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6ADCE.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:53 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-027-232.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:41 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1143/ <-- no idea what's wrong with this, but openttd complains about "read past end of pseudo sprite" 17:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, nml could optimize the *4 into a shift 18:03:18 *** devilsadvocate_ [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 18:08:04 <dihedral> hehe - beamer gives my facebook 'wall' a completely new feeling ^^ 18:08:27 <dihedral> s/beamer/projector/ 18:10:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> is that an openttd bug? when a "read past end of pseudo sprite" error is encountered, all vehicles defined so far are still active... 18:21:01 <frosch123> that depends on when the error occurs 18:21:07 <frosch123> i.e. during which loading stage 18:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess then varaction2 is read very late 18:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but... anyone got a clue about the actual error? 18:21:50 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08fa24.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:54 <frosch123> ask nforenum? 18:22:25 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:53 <frosch123> you are reading var 7a without param? 18:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> err 18:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that's supposed to be FA 18:24:41 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@31.107.68.218] has joined #openttd 18:25:06 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that happens when i try to use raw hex :p 18:26:38 <__ln__> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9098828/Landmark-bridge-demolished-in-US.html 18:27:12 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has joined #openttd 18:27:36 *** peteris is now known as pecisk 18:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that site doesn't load 18:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and of course i mistype the issue number as well :p 18:33:01 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 18:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so anyway, it's probably an nml bug that it doesn't validate using var 60+ with parameter 18:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> //!!Warning (86): Offset 4: Testing nonexistant variable 62. <-- my nforenum is probably slightly outdated 18:34:44 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@31.107.68.218] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:37 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@229.Red-81-32-60.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:38 <frosch123> the "rdata.grf" topic is awesome :) 18:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23975 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt unfinished/urdu.txt): 18:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by OliTTD 18:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 44 changes by mantaray 18:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: urdu - 73 changes by haider 18:53:02 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:53:10 <Yexo> frosch123: which topic? 18:53:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:08 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=58619 18:55:11 <frosch123> we should trademark the file extension "grf" 18:55:15 <Yexo> lol 18:56:43 <andythenorth> we should trademark 'lol' 18:56:52 <andythenorth> and use the royalties for something 18:57:04 <andythenorth> dunno what though 19:00:01 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:00:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:00:10 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 19:00:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 19:00:32 <Alberth> hi andy 19:01:16 * Alberth starts to lack not having a 'you got highlighted' icon at the desktop :p 19:01:25 <Alberth> *like, actually 19:01:41 <andythenorth> I have bouncing dock icon :P 19:01:46 <andythenorth> I turned off growl and such 19:01:51 <andythenorth> too disruptive 19:02:09 <Alberth> anyways, I looked at your document, and I like it 19:02:14 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-74-234-108.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:19 <Alberth> although the end becomes a tad unclear :) 19:02:33 <andythenorth> :) 19:02:34 <andythenorth> indeed 19:03:39 <andythenorth> it would be nice to refactor / repackage, then inflict it on others :) 19:03:41 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:58 <andythenorth> I don't at all mind rewriting my test gestalts to new methods 19:04:32 <Alberth> what is it that you want from me? 19:04:52 <andythenorth> as much help as you can spare :) 19:04:54 <andythenorth> and not more 19:05:13 <andythenorth> I don't mind refactoring the code with new classes and such 19:05:19 <andythenorth> but my python is quite clunky 19:05:38 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:59 <Alberth> I don't have the picture entirely sharp yet, it needs more discussion imho to get a full understanding of what you want to have 19:07:08 <andythenorth> there's no rush 19:07:22 <andythenorth> I have a pattern of work-baby-interrupted sleep-work right now 19:07:35 <andythenorth> time for coding is almost none 19:08:13 <Alberth> I should prepare some questions for you, I think 19:08:25 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.79.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:08:32 <andythenorth> sounds good 19:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> lo Alberth <-- "lo" is too close to "lol", you have to pay royalties now :p 19:08:55 <andythenorth> to whom? 19:09:02 <andythenorth> is it for a good cause? :P 19:11:00 <Alberth> I object, it is only 2/3 of the word, and if you count the "word picture" (how to word looks if you look at it in a glance) too, less than 1/2 19:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: trademarks don't work like that :p 19:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but you missed the previous few lines before you joined :p 19:13:44 <Alberth> that's kind of normal, you know :p 19:14:27 <Alberth> it makes me blissfully unaware of all the secret stuff discussed here :) 19:16:40 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:40 <andythenorth> trademarks are very hard to defend 19:17:43 <andythenorth> trust me :) 19:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause> if your trademark is magenta or has a T in it... :p 19:20:32 <Terkhen> hello 19:20:46 <Alberth> hi Terken 19:21:29 * Alberth thinks the T in Terkhen is a trademark by Terkhen himself 19:25:00 * andythenorth wonders if 'GPL' is trademarked as a term? 19:25:01 <andythenorth> :P 19:25:06 <andythenorth> might be a useful one to get 19:25:28 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has joined #openttd 19:26:05 <Alberth> only useful if you are RMS :) 19:26:31 <Alberth> except he would never get it, I think :) 19:26:50 <Alberth> (as in, not having any desire to) 19:37:52 *** flaa_ [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 19:41:09 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:51 <Terkhen> Terkhen is not trademarked, but it is protected by a "it's complicated to write" clause 19:43:08 <andythenorth> my auto-complete writes it without trouble :) 19:51:18 <Alberth> it copies it rather than writing it :) 19:51:44 <andythenorth> do I have copyright permission? 19:53:59 <Terkhen> andythenorth: you might receive an invoice soon 19:57:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:33 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@229.Red-81-32-60.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19:34 *** devilsadvocate_ is now known as devilsadvocate 20:20:11 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:36 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-72-186.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:27:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-109-88.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:15 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1144/ 20:27:28 *** flaa_ [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:31:52 * andythenorth reads 20:33:04 <andythenorth> Alberth: what's best way to answer? inline in to your questions? 20:33:33 <Alberth> any way that you like 20:39:45 <andythenorth> Alberth: there's nothing I don't agree with, so nitpick reply not needed ;) 20:40:08 <andythenorth> I don't know if the scanline renderer is needed - I haven't written the compositor yet :) 20:40:46 <Alberth> it was a first version to see how it worked imho 20:40:58 <Alberth> it looks like you want something more advanced :) 20:41:14 <Alberth> but perhaps changing the renderer is not the first priority 20:43:42 <andythenorth> I think cleaning up the other pixa objects is probably more important 20:48:05 *** chester [~chester@128-68-80-228.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:48:05 <Alberth> and way more interesting :) 20:49:24 <andythenorth> Alberth: taking some of your questions... 20:49:49 <andythenorth> PixaSequenceCollection - somewhat overlapish with gestalt < yes 20:50:02 <andythenorth> gestalt also knows how to handle the conventions for save, load etc 20:50:16 <andythenorth> and provides for different load sprites etc 20:50:16 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:50:32 <andythenorth> but the sequences are a big block of code in current gestalts 20:50:40 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-027-232.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i find this use of the word "gestalt" weird 20:51:12 <Alberth> not a word borrowed from you? 20:51:22 <supermop> gestalt has a different 'feeling' in english than german 20:51:33 <supermop> we use it differently that you guys do 20:51:47 <supermop> mostly in art and aesthetic theory 20:52:03 <andythenorth> what does it mean in german? 20:52:26 <supermop> i thought just 'design', right? 20:52:46 * andythenorth visits the current source of all human knowledge 20:52:47 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt 20:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause> more like "shape" in general 20:53:07 <Alberth> andythenorth: I was wondering about the role of each object, ie what does each object do, and where is the border? Leaving it unclear maens it will get hard to separate things 20:53:20 <andythenorth> that's a gestalt question :P 20:53:25 <andythenorth> :D 20:53:33 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-220.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:53:34 * andythenorth is being silly 20:54:09 <Prof_Frink> gepetpper. 20:54:31 <andythenorth> Alberth: there seem to be quite a lot of quite small classes imo 20:54:39 <andythenorth> although that could be fine 20:55:19 <Alberth> possibly, I am mostly trying to separate things, as it makes it more clear who does what 20:55:35 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@78.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:46 <Alberth> perhaps a bit too much 20:56:16 <andythenorth> I'll put your proposed classes in a new doc 20:56:28 <Alberth> but it is hard to judge without a concrete definition of what they should do exactly 20:57:22 <Alberth> on the other hand, it makes the structure also more flexible, as you can derive a new class and hook it into the structure 20:57:35 <andythenorth> +1 20:58:09 <andythenorth> not sure how best to figure that out - talk you through making a gestalt? re-draft the spec? 20:58:12 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 20:58:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:59:11 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-72-186.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:21 <Alberth> imho make the classes more concrete in defining their purpose, and probably also some functionality that you want to have 20:59:48 <andythenorth> k 20:59:53 <andythenorth> spec then 21:03:24 <Alberth> writing a user manual may also work. It forces you to think about what exactly should be possible, and how to write it down such that a user can understand it. Only problem is that it is a lot of work :p 21:11:06 <andythenorth> yup 21:11:20 <andythenorth> I'm making the list of classes, but in-between work and house chores :P 21:20:01 <andythenorth> Alberth: this lacks context - but something like a PixaSequenceCollection - what does it gain over a dict / list? 21:20:37 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:51 * frosch123 wonders about the correlation of the german words "Solarförderung" and "Olförderung" 21:22:09 <Alberth> Random guesses: Room to define/change order, handle pixa-mixing, loading/saving pixasequences (pixas :) ) 21:22:37 <Alberth> in short, you may want to do other things than just have a mapping 21:23:11 <andythenorth> ah ok 21:23:24 * andythenorth was happy to construct that without help :) 21:23:50 <andythenorth> but my dicts / lists in the gestalts got...messy 21:25:05 <Alberth> it often starts with simple data structs, which is good for experimenting 21:25:48 <Alberth> but the standard data structures cannot be simply extended in functionality 21:25:54 <andythenorth> no 21:26:05 <andythenorth> that's how I discovered the need for PixaSequence 21:26:46 <andythenorth> ok - other questions were: 21:26:51 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 21:26:59 <andythenorth> z indexes? what are those?? < depth / drawing order when compositing 21:27:11 <Alberth> ah, ok :) 21:27:18 <andythenorth> e.g. truck with 2 steel coils composited, draw the front most one over the rearmost ;) 21:27:29 <andythenorth> flash / css term :) 21:27:52 <Alberth> makes sense once you hear the explanation :) 21:27:58 <andythenorth> How would you control it? Just a fixed order, or something more fancy? < list? 21:28:35 <andythenorth> something more fancy suggests setting bounding boxes, then calculating z positions? overkill... 21:28:36 <Alberth> would be fine I think, it sort of depends a bit on how many of these things you have 21:29:02 <andythenorth> the drawing of them is controlled by magic pixels, so =< 256 21:29:07 <Alberth> I meant "more fancy than a fixed order" actually :) 21:29:23 <andythenorth> did you have ideas for that? 21:30:01 <Alberth> a list would be a quite simple and adequate solution I think 21:30:30 <Alberth> but I was somewhat worried about the number of items 21:30:50 <andythenorth> I think it should be fine 21:31:28 <Alberth> you could something like 'in increasing index number' over a range, and have a list of ranges 21:31:58 <andythenorth> that would reflect how I plan to draw the pixels 21:32:00 <Alberth> that's a bit more compact, and would still be simple enough 21:32:04 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B59E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:24 <andythenorth> I'm mostly working in ranges of neighbouring indexes 21:32:53 <Alberth> sounds much saner than taking random pixel colours each time :p 21:34:43 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:29 <Alberth> any other urgent questions? It's almost bed time for me 21:35:59 <andythenorth> no 21:36:05 <andythenorth> we can chew on this for a while ;) 21:36:25 * andythenorth has to finish some actual work and go to sleep too 21:37:12 <Alberth> good night :) 21:37:28 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:38:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:46:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:01:20 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3563 22:01:20 *** Guest3563 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:08:46 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.214] has joined #openttd 22:12:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-9-128.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:12:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 22:12:37 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.214] has quit [] 22:13:45 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [] 22:18:07 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-95-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:18:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:18:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-97-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:10 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-9-128.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-60-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:10 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-95-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:09 *** pecisk [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:35:25 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@78.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:47 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@207.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:56 <Terkhen> good night 22:51:04 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:07 *** canton7 [~canton7@li299-15.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:18 *** canton7 [~canton7@li299-15.members.linode.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 22:54:20 *** canton7 [~canton7@li299-15.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:44 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 22:57:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:00:41 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08fa24.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:09:40 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:43 *** canton7 [~canton7@li299-15.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: canton7] 23:19:39 *** chester [~chester@128-68-80-228.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20:32 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:55 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:24:50 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:24 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:27:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6a1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:94f3:f94f:691e:cbf3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4f5:fbb7:47e1:264b] has joined #openttd 23:45:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:49:52 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@207.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]