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*** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:18:47 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-95-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:18:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 07:21:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-12-239.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:24:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:21 <andythenorth> morning 07:30:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:35 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-22-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:39:30 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [] 07:40:33 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-95-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:36 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:05:21 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: 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not an easy problem 12:06:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-206-58.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:13:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r23976 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Fix (r23889): Sprites of different zoom levels were not always padded correctly to a common size. 12:25:50 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@207.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:08:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.5.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:08:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.5.227] has joined #openttd 13:15:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:110:ecef:54d6:365] has joined #openttd 13:15:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:22 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:07 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:59 <__ln__> https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.next.announce/browse_thread/thread/6af5808c84a771fc/042c02b1b5992dd3?pli=1 13:43:59 *** waterfoul [~chatzilla@67.129.121.103] has joined #openttd 13:44:14 <waterfoul> is there a way to re-enable the older trains in multiplyaer 13:44:16 <waterfoul> ? 13:44:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.5.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:16 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:49:57 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 13:50:35 <waterfoul> lol 13:50:49 <waterfoul> sorry wrong window 13:52:34 <planetmaker> in multiplayer you cannot cheat or reset newgrfs 13:52:50 <planetmaker> you can save the map locally, modify as needed and the reload in MP 13:54:14 * andythenorth has brain ache 13:54:28 <andythenorth> procedural generator :P 13:55:28 <waterfoul> planetmaker what newgrfs would allow for the old trains to be accessable again? 13:58:41 <planetmaker> what are "old trains"? 13:58:56 <planetmaker> you mean OpenTTD default vehicles? 13:59:10 <planetmaker> Then I'd recommend you to use OpenGFX+ Trains 13:59:22 <planetmaker> along with whatever train NewGRF you use 13:59:31 <waterfoul> yea I want to be able to build the original, non electric rail, types in 2145 for examplre 13:59:36 <planetmaker> But your question is umbiguous. Thus... 13:59:52 <planetmaker> ah. that's irreversible for an existing game 14:00:13 <planetmaker> start a new game and make sure to play it with "engines never expire" switched on in the adv. settings 14:00:26 <waterfoul> I'm playing a casual ottd server and people are having startup issues with the running costs of monorail 14:00:44 <waterfoul> so I can;t change it for the current save.... :( 14:01:28 <waterfoul> wouldn't that just allow you to bring the old trains forward? 14:01:35 <waterfoul> not allow you to build them later 14:01:51 <planetmaker> my memory is bad, and probably doesn't work: switch on that setting in single player and use "reset_engines" in the console subsequently. Then reload in MP 14:03:00 <waterfoul> its Never expire vehicles and your right http://wiki.openttd.org/Never_expire_vehicles 14:03:57 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@2.209.176.142] has joined #openttd 14:05:18 <waterfoul> your right the wiki's wrong 14:05:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AC2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:17 <planetmaker> what's wrong with the wiki's statement of "This setting will stop vehicles from going "out of date" and so they will remain available until the very end of the game." ? 14:08:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AC2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:25 <waterfoul> the name of the setting is wrong on the wiki 14:13:35 *** Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has joined #openttd 14:19:54 <Belugas> hi hi 14:23:57 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.215] has joined #openttd 14:24:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.215] has quit [] 14:24:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:30:01 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@207.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:21 *** Graungaard [~Graungaar@94.18.60.45] has joined #openttd 14:39:37 *** Graungaard [~Graungaar@94.18.60.45] has quit [] 14:39:57 *** Graungaard [~Graungaar@94.18.60.45] has joined #openttd 14:40:05 <Eddi|nichZuHause> gnarf... 14:40:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:110:ecef:54d6:365] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:26 <Eddi|nichZuHause> "the tortoisehg installer may not be used on a 64bit platform" 14:40:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:191:d699:6b95:c73e] has joined #openttd 14:40:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:45:17 <Elukka> programs exist that don't run on 64 bit systems? 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yup 15:56:32 <Belugas> disgusting 15:57:09 * dihedral hugs Belugas 15:57:33 <Belugas> frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 15:57:34 <Belugas> frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 15:57:36 <Belugas> frrrrrrrrrrrrr 16:18:17 <MNIM> uhhh 16:22:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23977 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix: don't load a game during UpdateWindows as that might trigger changing the blitter which triggers re-entrant locking 16:23:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23978 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix: [SDL] Palette update was done too late making switching from 8bpp -> 32bpp look ugly 16:28:19 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:04 *** hbccbh [~hbc@116.27.165.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:48 * andythenorth pounders 16:36:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:41:47 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@207.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:05 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:53 *** Eddi|nichZuHause [~EddinichZ@2.212.248.165] has joined #openttd 17:12:18 <Eddi|nichZuHause> looks like win7 on atom refuses to run dos programs... 17:12:44 <Eddi|nichZuHause> where does dosbox put the config file on windows? 17:13:50 <TinoDidriksen> In a .ini next to the exe, last I checked... 17:14:21 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 17:14:22 <Eddi|nichZuHause> where do i enable file extensions in win7? 17:15:54 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09eeb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:30 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-41-247.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 17:23:43 *** hbccbh [~hbc@116.27.165.24] has joined #openttd 17:28:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-78-148.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:13 <glx> in explorer options, like other versions 17:32:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.184.91] has joined #openttd 17:33:17 <glx> it's in the first dropdown (organize) 17:34:12 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i hate windows alone for the fact that they shuffle around the interfaces on every release 17:35:57 <Eddi|nichZuHause> right, i found the dosbox.conf: user\appdata\local\dosbox 17:39:35 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:39:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.161.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 17:49:15 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-156-237-225.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:46 <LordAro> evenings 17:50:00 <Alberth> oddings 18:01:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5487.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:02 <Rubidium> adamnings 18:10:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:14:50 <andythenorth> Alberth: had some thoughts on pixa 18:15:22 <andythenorth> probably too many objects in current spec 18:15:28 <andythenorth> think fewer will suffice 18:17:02 <Alberth> quite likely true 18:17:34 <andythenorth> I think I can eliminate the compositor idea 18:17:44 <andythenorth> it can be done with the existing render class 18:17:57 <andythenorth> the gestalt just needs to call multiple render passes for same result 18:19:04 <andythenorth> (rather than composing a list of renders needed, then having the compositor handle the list) 18:20:42 <andythenorth> the P object (pixel) isn't needed either, that becomes internal to the PixaSequence object 18:22:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:10 <andythenorth> simpler = probably better...? 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Is it possible to find out in what group a vehicle is, without opening the vehicle list? 20:13:08 <macee> I think it would be nice if the group of the vehicle would be displayed next to the vehicle name in the vehicle window. 20:14:10 *** LordAro is now known as Guest3706 20:14:11 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 20:14:18 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:31 *** Guest3706 [~lordaro@host86-156-237-225.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:02 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:16 <Alberth> I suspect it is not possible, but I never use groups, I consider them very useless. 20:19:32 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1149/ pixa mixing idea 20:20:25 <Alberth> of course you can have arbitrary complicated mixers, and/or stack them on top of each other in any way you like 20:20:27 <FLHerne> Useful for autoreplacing locos for different tasks 20:20:38 <FLHerne> Groups I mean 20:21:27 <Alberth> that's the main use is my guess, but I just replace one type engine with another one for all trains at the same time 20:21:48 <Alberth> perhaps because I use default vehicles, where the choice is not so large 20:23:14 <Alberth> andythenorth: what happens if one sequence overwrites a magic pixel of another colour? In particular when the overwritten pixel needs to be above the sequence overwriting it? 20:31:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:34 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has joined #openttd 20:43:37 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:43 <andythenorth> Alberth: if one sequence overwrites a magic colour...it's just something that happened 20:45:52 <andythenorth> I've spent a good part of the day trying to figure that out :P 20:47:06 <andythenorth> there are multiple solutions, but none should be built in 20:47:39 <andythenorth> (1) before any render passes, store the x,y locations of all pixels of magic colour x 20:47:48 <andythenorth> possibly writing them to an intermediate image 20:48:03 <andythenorth> then use in whichever render passes are relevant 20:48:32 <andythenorth> (2) allow a PixaMixer to tell the renderer 'skip this pixel if condition(xyz)' 20:48:48 <andythenorth> 'skip' could mean 'write this pixel's colour to pixel's current colour' 20:49:30 <andythenorth> (3) design the input files, the sequences, and the render passes in such a way that it's a non-issue. This is my preferred plan. I might try hacking on it now 20:49:54 <andythenorth> a good case is a flat trailer, with stake sides, and two steel coils 20:50:16 <andythenorth> the coils need to be drawn over the rear stakes, and behind the front stakes 20:50:19 <Eddi|nichZuHause> andythenorth: solution: do not write to the same image that you read from 20:50:28 <andythenorth> Eddi|nichZuHause: ahead of you there ;) 20:50:36 <andythenorth> there are PIL reasons to not do that anyway 20:52:02 <andythenorth> in the case of the steel trailer, first pass draws rear stakes, second pass draws coils, third pass draws the front stakes 20:52:12 <andythenorth> the flat bed of the trailer can be drawn on first or second pass 20:53:06 * andythenorth might try and code that now as an example 20:53:39 <andythenorth> meanwhile....although the idea of loading sequences from image files is nicer than coding them....it makes putting constants into the sequence near-impossible :o 20:53:45 <andythenorth> any ideas for solutions? 20:54:10 <andythenorth> constant / variables /s 20:54:18 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:00 * andythenorth recklessly confuses constants and vars too often :( 20:55:38 <Alberth> rewrite pixel colours in the sequence? 20:55:57 <andythenorth> has to be 20:56:03 *** macee [~macee@dsl4E5C1FF0.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 20:56:11 <andythenorth> but it's half-way to just hand coding the sequence 20:56:21 <andythenorth> you gain the x,y positions at least from the image 20:56:34 <andythenorth> they are *not* intuitive to code by hand :P 20:57:14 <andythenorth> Alberth: incidentally, I thought the x,y positions for a sequence should be immutable once set 20:57:23 <andythenorth> I think it's bonkers if they can be moved around :P 20:57:53 <Alberth> :) 20:57:56 <andythenorth> I considered if there are valid cases to move them, e.g. invert x values to create a reversed angle for a vehicle 20:58:11 <Alberth> would seem like a good idea :) 20:58:23 <andythenorth> but in that case, the author should create their own method to read entire sequence, and write a new one, transforming as they go 20:58:42 <Alberth> you can easily pixa-mix it :) 20:58:45 <andythenorth> due to lighting, the reverse case isn't as useful as it sounds :) 20:59:12 <andythenorth> the / direction is lit differently to \ direction, not just brighter 20:59:12 <Alberth> yeah, I was suspecting that already :) 20:59:29 <andythenorth> there could be a case for random x,y but I think the results would be horrible 20:59:36 <andythenorth> better to choose a random sequence :P 20:59:53 <andythenorth> I'll look at that when I try to make logs procedural 20:59:58 <Alberth> still horrible, probably :) 21:00:49 <Alberth> having a random sequence makes the result non-reproducable 21:01:08 <Alberth> which may less than ideal, perhaps :) 21:01:44 <Alberth> +be 21:02:32 <andythenorth> it would vary per compile :D 21:02:36 <andythenorth> which is a bit silly 21:02:59 <andythenorth> random seed? :P 21:03:54 <andythenorth> PixaSequence and PixaMixer look sensible in your paste 21:04:03 <andythenorth> so I cold extend PixaMixer arbitrarily? 21:04:15 <andythenorth> as long as it yields correct attributes? 21:05:04 <andythenorth> if date.day=="tuesday" col = colours['blue'] ? 21:05:05 <Alberth> you probably want a number of mixers 21:05:28 <Alberth> but yeah, how you decide what to return is internal to the class 21:05:30 <andythenorth> if you intend them as I think you do, I'd define a mixer for 1CC, 2CC etc 21:05:42 <andythenorth> a mixer for each real life colour 21:05:45 <Alberth> 3CC, 4CC, etc :) 21:06:13 * Alberth nods 21:06:13 <andythenorth> and mixers for cases where the entire sequence is shifted down by one colour index 21:06:29 <andythenorth> a mixer for each cargo colour for bulk cargos... 21:06:38 <andythenorth> can mixers by mixed? :P 21:06:51 <Alberth> omg, what have I caused.... :) 21:07:10 <Alberth> sure, a mixer behaves as a sequence, which you can mix again :) 21:07:33 <andythenorth> this is what I'm doing already, I just miss a neat consistent interface to it :) 21:08:24 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:26 <andythenorth> so if I wanted 2CC and coal, I'd pass those as params to a smart mixer that understands what to do with them 21:08:38 <andythenorth> rather than creating 2CC_coal = mixer() 21:08:45 <andythenorth> which would be horribly combinatory 21:08:56 * andythenorth is pleased with all this 21:09:10 <Alberth> give each a name, and stack them on top of each other :) 21:09:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23980 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp: -Fix (r23977): crash when starting with the 32bpp anim blitter 21:10:28 <andythenorth> stack is exactly right 21:11:28 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@207.Red-88-19-214.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:26 <Alberth> unfortunately, they are not commutative nor associative, in general 21:12:54 <andythenorth> I could write my own method to stack them :P 21:15:40 <Alberth> I trust you can :) 21:15:45 <Alberth> good night 21:16:01 <Rubidium> night Alberth 21:16:10 <Rubidium> sweet dreams 21:16:50 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:20:12 <Eddi|nichZuHause> # or a beautiful nightmare 21:20:21 <Eddi|nichZuHause> what a stupid song... 21:21:38 <Eddi|nichZuHause> if i suspect a windows system is exceptionally slow because of the harddrive, how do i diagnose that? 21:21:59 <andythenorth> copy everything to a new drive, swap it out? 21:22:02 <TWerkhoven[l]> chkdsk? 21:22:09 <TWerkhoven[l]> or check the smart status 21:22:43 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i tried installing the seagate tools, but they require .net4 and that takes AAGES to install 21:23:47 <TWerkhoven[l]> speedfan can do smart tests on hdd's 21:24:10 <Rubidium> Eddi|nichZuHause: remove the HDD and see whether it's faster 21:24:43 <supermop> is there a good nml rail set tutorial or should i just rip off a simple set like .se rails and drop my pngs in? 21:27:23 <Yexo> there is the general nml tutorial, the nml documentation and you can use swedishrails as example 21:27:31 <Yexo> but no tutorial just for a railset 21:27:40 <Eddi|nichZuHause> they tried mirroring the hd to a similar model, but that was apparently broken 21:30:03 <__ln__> Eddi|nichZuHause: what's the Windows® Experience Index® of the HDD? 21:30:48 <Eddi|nichZuHause> can i get that on an xp system? 21:31:29 <TWerkhoven[l]> no, that comes with vista and beyond 21:32:03 <michi_cc> I'm not totally sure if XP has it, but try perfmon.exe if present. 21:32:10 <TWerkhoven[l]> q: why do you suspect the hdd of slowing down the system in the first place? 21:32:24 <__ln__> that's right, but did they release some sort of "can i run Vista?" utility program for XP? (which possibly could include that score) 21:32:31 <TWerkhoven[l]> true 21:32:48 <TinoDidriksen> Mirroring the hdd is trivial with dd and ntfsclone...how can that break? 21:33:27 <Rubidium> michi_cc: it does have that 21:33:34 <Rubidium> perfmon is really ancient 21:33:44 <Eddi|nichZuHause> perfmon seems to exist 21:34:07 <Eddi|nichZuHause> not sure what it does 21:34:37 <Rubidium> not sure whether it was in 3.51, but it definitely was in 4 21:35:19 <Eddi|nichZuHause> __ln__: i suspect the disk because processor load is 10-20% 21:35:32 <Rubidium> Eddi|nichZuHause: that's high ;) 21:35:58 <michi_cc> I only know how it looks like on Win7, but you should have a screen for "performance monitoring" where you can add a lot of measurements by clicking a + button somewhere. 21:36:06 * Rubidium has a database server on a suspected broken disk at work... ~0.5% CPU, 8000+ms/s waiting on 'buffer' 21:36:20 <Rubidium> michi_cc: does it look really ancient? 21:37:04 <michi_cc> Somewhat. Definitely more ancient than the 'resource monitor' (or so) that you can get via the task manager. 21:38:14 <Rubidium> http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue21/nt-explorer/perfmon.gif 21:39:09 <Rubidium> screenshots don't seem to imply it's significantly different 21:39:31 <Rubidium> Eddi|nichZuHause: but you might want to try the test version of hd tune 21:40:02 <Rubidium> that can run some tests including SMART tests 21:40:05 <Rubidium> and keeps some history 21:40:17 <Rubidium> there you might want to look at the read error rate and such 21:40:30 <Rubidium> it only works for a few days 21:40:40 <Eddi|nichZuHause> what i'd like to see is a simple read/write speed test 21:40:50 <Rubidium> hd tune has that 21:41:47 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has joined #openttd 21:42:00 <Eddi|nichZuHause> i can't get perfmon to display anything 21:42:14 <Eddi|nichZuHause> it's just an empty diagram 21:42:35 <Rubidium> then the scale's probably wrong 21:43:45 <Rubidium> it doesn't auto adjust 21:44:00 <Rubidium> or maybe you need to start sampling? 21:46:17 <Eddi|nichZuHause> assume i'm stupid. what do i do? 21:46:44 <Rubidium> go to the computer shop 21:46:59 <Rubidium> don't have Windows at hand to figure out exactly 21:52:10 <FLHerne> Find a hardware-test-centred Linux live CD? 21:56:08 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:58:26 <Eddi|nichZuHause> hm... i have a program that has 6000 page faults per second 21:58:54 <Eddi|nichZuHause> (or maybe i'm making totally no sense of sysmon) 22:12:01 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:18:56 <Eddi|nichZuHause> http://pastebin.com/WrchXT2R <-- that doesn't look like healthy anyway 22:20:58 <Eddi|nichZuHause> hm... recursive vnc doesn't seem like a bright idea :p 22:21:49 * andythenorth renders a stake trailer with coil loads :) 22:21:51 <andythenorth> 4 pass render 22:22:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-206-58.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:32 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/2520/steel_trailer.png 22:24:52 <frosch123> night 22:24:55 <andythenorth> Terkhen: need any graphics for OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles? :) :P 22:24:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5487.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:06 <Terkhen> I'm not sure 22:27:23 <Terkhen> IIRC all cargo sprites were done 22:27:42 <Terkhen> and I wasn't planning to add new vehicles 22:29:11 <andythenorth> np :) 22:29:30 <andythenorth> I am seeking users.... 22:30:58 <supermop> could you procedurally draw a rail set? 22:31:17 <andythenorth> ...maybe 22:31:36 <andythenorth> you'd want to draw the ballast by hand 22:31:40 <andythenorth> maybe 22:32:15 <Terkhen> :) 22:32:27 <andythenorth> actually, you probably could draw a rail set procedurally 22:32:34 <andythenorth> the pattern is very regular for track 22:32:54 <andythenorth> I don't know if it's a good case though 22:33:27 <andythenorth> it's only worth setting up when you want to recolour things, change load sprites etc 22:33:36 <andythenorth> or render multiple variations of a building from standard components 22:33:50 <andythenorth> I guess you might save some time on drawing sleepers and such 22:35:44 <andythenorth> supermop: got any sprites drawn yet? 22:36:54 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:37:05 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:45 <andythenorth> hmm 22:37:49 * andythenorth -> bed 22:37:51 <andythenorth> good night 22:38:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:47:16 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-57-138.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:58:37 <Eddi|nichZuHause> what's this thing that makes the screen black every time a windows security question pops up? 23:01:38 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-41-247.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:21 <Terkhen> good night 23:03:15 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:37 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:09:46 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:26 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-109-177.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. 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