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00:01:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-159-169.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 00:01:37 <Rhamphoryncus> Well, I am seeing variation in that bit, it just doesn't feel balanced ;) 00:14:30 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:15:55 *** |2rB [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has joined #openttd 00:16:42 *** Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:05 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-206.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:15 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:56:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-44-254.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:04 <Rhamphoryncus> Heh, despite maligning bidirectional tracks I've now build a bidirectional tunnel :D 01:03:13 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-062-247.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 01:09:07 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-063-083.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:09 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 01:12:58 <DDR> Oh, sweet irony. :P 01:44:23 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 02:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Rhamphoryncus: at least for industrytiles, the info is printed out to the console if you have a debug build and use the [?]-tool 02:10:05 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@175.137.101.30] has joined #openttd 02:10:22 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@175.137.101.30] has quit [] 02:10:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: cool, I'll remember that in the future 02:10:38 <Rhamphoryncus> Although this isn't a debug build 02:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> well technically that info is printed for all tiles, so industrytiles is just a special case :) 02:11:59 <Rhamphoryncus> :) 02:13:24 <Rhamphoryncus> Woo, 800%! 02:13:36 <Rhamphoryncus> Waiting 36 years is fucking boring :P 02:14:33 <Rhamphoryncus> And the kicker.. this is without production decreases or closures. 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quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:28:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-76-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:30:38 <andythenorth> hmm 05:30:59 * andythenorth ponders "from foo import *" 05:33:52 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-254-128.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:55:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73F19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:55:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B741EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:08:07 <andythenorth> nap time 06:08:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:19:05 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:19:06 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-116-173.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:19:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 06:24:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-76-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:29:48 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] 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angles look good 08:07:21 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-206.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:16:47 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-206.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:13 * Rhamphoryncus waves to andythenorth 08:35:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:36:11 <Rhamphoryncus> huh 08:36:57 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:47:25 *** sponge [~coke@c-66bfe055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:47:53 *** sponge [~coke@c-66bfe055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #openttd [] 08:48:39 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:47 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:01:37 *** Firartix [~artixds@184.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:06 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:08:04 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 09:10:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:19:01 <planetmaker> moin 09:21:26 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-062-247.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:42 <andythenorth> hola 09:22:58 <__ln__> 'qapla 09:27:31 <planetmaker> that's something new, I think... two people replying "sorry, I'm happy with your sprites, but will only be interested, if GPL" 09:28:07 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=58122&start=40 09:40:04 <dihedral> o/ 09:44:09 <andythenorth> :) 09:44:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:45:33 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:45:45 *** |2rB is now known as Twofish 09:46:14 <peter1138> silly windows 09:46:20 <peter1138> i'm seeing event log entries for "The system time was changed." 09:46:32 <peter1138> where the previous and new time are the same 09:51:35 *** Vic|UNNT [~a@gw-7.211.ru] has quit [Quit: ÃóñÚÎÚöÚðîâà ÃÃûé mIRC 6.35 îò yXo ** http://BestIRC.ru **] 09:54:28 <Rubidium> I reckon the do settime(); oldtime = gettime(); newtime = gettime(); ;) 09:57:13 <peter1138> i suspect it was changed by a sub-second amount 09:58:32 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:03:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-109-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:28 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-40-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:09:22 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-116-173.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-109-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:25:21 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-40-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:48 <dihedral> Th0mash0f 10:50:54 <dihedral> \o/ 10:51:07 <dihedral> who else needs my active directory password 10:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause> what? i only see ***** 10:59:32 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-110-10.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:00:27 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [] 11:02:51 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216100510]] 11:05:31 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:51 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 11:24:04 <blathijs> dihedral: Perhaps you could also paste your Paypal password? ;-) 11:51:30 <MNIM> while you're at it, your bank account and PIN? 11:53:22 <xiong> If anyone's interested, I stumbled on the full solution to the problem with trains making station stops refusing to reverse through another platform, with or without depoting during the reverse. 11:53:24 * SpComb wonders who Thomas Hof is 11:53:37 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:55:26 <xiong> The stopping trains were abusing the tracks intended for through traffic, avoiding the pf penalty for passing through a platform -- which turns out to be quite high since it is per-tile -- even to the point of exiting the station in the wrong direction, turning around somewhere else, and taking the through track. 11:58:08 <xiong> Finally I built platforms on the through tracks *but* for another, dummy station. This imposes an equal penalty so the stopping trains are willing to pass a normal platform to exit; through trains can use a station platform if they must to avoid a blocking train on the through track; and stopping trains won't stupidly stop on the through "platform", tying it up. 12:13:50 <peter1138> by-nc-nd o_O 12:15:01 <planetmaker> yeah 12:16:08 <peter1138> i guess he saw it on CC and thought it must be a good idea then... 12:16:10 <peter1138> "nd"... how silly 12:17:39 <planetmaker> nd scenarios are better ;-) 12:22:28 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:24:49 <peter1138> heh 12:26:18 <Ammler> well, bananas does also suggest it... 12:27:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B741EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:27:17 *** Firartix [~artixds@184.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:43 <Illegal_Alien> Woof 12:32:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:34:52 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@raskin.torservers.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:09 <planetmaker> ho, Illegal_Alien 12:43:36 <Illegal_Alien> Who me? 12:43:46 * andythenorth is finding 32bpp stuff worryingly appealing 12:45:25 <Illegal_Alien> Aw need a hug? 12:46:02 <andythenorth> yeah 12:46:03 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yeah... now that it became easy to use and create... I like it much better :-) 12:46:08 * planetmaker hugs andythenorth 12:46:27 <andythenorth> I am worried that this is like when Lego changed from 4-wide trucks to 6-wide :P 12:46:57 <andythenorth> it loses some character...but gains lots of detail 12:47:12 <andythenorth> and looks good 12:47:21 <planetmaker> well. What character is lost? 12:47:22 <Illegal_Alien> I am more worried about the fact i want to buy Mindstorm set and put it in my awsome 8448 of lego :) 12:47:28 <planetmaker> It is *another* character or style 12:49:20 * Illegal_Alien goes back to the Locomotion Cave 12:49:39 <planetmaker> lol 12:52:41 <Illegal_Alien> Cave is a bit dark 12:52:50 <planetmaker> :-D 12:52:58 <planetmaker> torches might help 12:52:59 <Ammler> well, you forgot the light yourself 12:53:04 <planetmaker> or the headlights of trains 12:53:56 <Ammler> also if you enter a nd cave, be aware it will close behind you 12:54:17 <andythenorth> which would you rather have? 12:54:17 <andythenorth> http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=6693-1 12:54:21 <Ammler> you will never ever again see light :-P 12:54:22 <andythenorth> or http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=4432-1 12:54:45 <andythenorth> ^ the correct answer is both :D 12:54:52 <andythenorth> but they don't go together well :( 12:56:17 <Illegal_Alien> Hmm a closing cave, intresting idea 12:58:00 <Illegal_Alien> Ah well, Locomotion keeps his sprites then :P 12:58:17 <planetmaker> a pity actually 12:58:38 <planetmaker> those models could really get nice exposure 12:59:19 * planetmaker really wonders what makes people use ND in this "business" 12:59:55 <planetmaker> re-inventing the wheel seems to be the way to go... :S 13:01:00 <planetmaker> is fame somewhat "diluted" by making open-source? 13:02:34 <dihedral> blathijs> dihedral: Perhaps you could also paste your Paypal password? ;-) <- fish 13:03:06 <andythenorth> maybe we should stop trying to persuade about GPL 13:03:23 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 13:03:26 <dihedral> hehe - make GPL the only option :-P 13:03:41 <Illegal_Alien> I dont know why they dont want it, but i have to respect there decisions and they want to have it to be a ND. And to bad the ND part is the part who stops this. 13:03:53 <andythenorth> dihedral: yes, I wasn't thinking of dropping the GPL 13:03:59 <andythenorth> just stop being nice about it ;) 13:04:00 <planetmaker> dihedral: when I work on it, it kinda is... 13:04:27 <andythenorth> the only reason I'm not really brutal about it is....well I don't like getting flamed back for one 13:04:44 <andythenorth> and for the other, people like Pikka and MB won't use GPL, and they have a lot of kudos 13:05:21 <planetmaker> they'd not loose any, if they made their work future-proof, though 13:05:42 <andythenorth> their choice though, and at least they're making it in an informed way :P 13:05:45 <andythenorth> unlike some 13:05:51 <planetmaker> indeed 13:06:04 <andythenorth> I am minorly irritated by discussion of 'licensing hassles' 13:06:15 <andythenorth> they are only hassles when someone *doesn't* use the fricking GPL 13:06:23 <blathijs> dihedral: also: http://bash.org/?949560 13:06:37 <planetmaker> well, the base for that fortunately grows in newgrf domain :-) 13:08:32 <dihedral> lol blathijs 13:08:37 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but you got about the same amount of kudos ;-) 13:09:17 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 13:09:21 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@9KCAAEEC2.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:21 <dihedral> funnily enough it only happens to me when i switch desktops to one that has a fullscreen rdp session running and need to enter my password :-P 13:09:35 <dihedral> thankfully it's only the AD user that has this password :-P 13:09:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker I have to keep it in reserve - as I need to use it to say 'sorry' quite often :P 13:10:58 <planetmaker> hu, what do you mean, andythenorth? 13:11:13 <planetmaker> 'sorry' in what respect? 13:12:07 <andythenorth> when I go too far 13:12:10 <andythenorth> which happens 13:13:07 <andythenorth> cargo classes, inappropriate commits, early releases, breaking the repo, getting into arguments with SAC, giving people incorrect information etc 13:13:33 <andythenorth> also constantly demanding features and pointing out flaws in the work of others 13:13:55 * Illegal_Alien got an axe for such people 13:14:47 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 13:14:53 <andythenorth> ho ho DanMacK 13:15:00 <DanMacK> Heya 13:15:36 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 13:17:47 * DanMacK yawns 13:17:52 <DanMacK> it's too early... lol 13:18:51 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d114-78-20-54.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:19:02 <Illegal_Alien> Pokemon? 13:19:04 <Pikka> 24000! \o/ 13:19:13 *** Coke [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:19:13 <Pikka> hassalotta revisions :) 13:19:17 *** Coke [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #openttd [] 13:19:18 <andythenorth> bingo 13:19:25 <Pikka> hello Illegal_Alien and andythenorth 13:19:26 <andythenorth> DanMacK + Pikka at once 13:19:30 <andythenorth> I claim my prize 13:19:42 <DanMacK> lol 13:19:46 <Pikka> you are andythenorth and I claim my 10 FISH 13:19:57 * DanMacK claims the CHIPS 13:19:59 <Illegal_Alien> Fisj yummie 13:20:04 <Illegal_Alien> *Fisj even 13:20:06 <Illegal_Alien> Damned 13:20:09 <Illegal_Alien> Fish 13:20:26 <andythenorth> Illegal_Alien: got any rendered ship sprites that are GPL? 13:20:38 <andythenorth> and don't have tiny obfuscated detail when rasterised to 8bpp? 13:21:08 <Illegal_Alien> nope 13:21:21 <andythenorth> ho hey 13:21:36 <Pikka> tiny obfuscated detail is the best kind of detail! 13:21:50 <andythenorth> obfuscated to 0 pixels is best 13:21:51 <Pikka> all those antenna fins on my av8 aircraft, lol 13:22:40 * andythenorth creates a 'AddGreeble' plugin for pixa 13:22:57 <andythenorth> and a 'ObfuscateGreeble' plugin that runs straight after it in the pipeline :P 13:23:35 <Pikka> :) 13:25:12 <Illegal_Alien> I dont have any GPL sprites. And all the other sprites have that license i linked too. (Well its more like; i can make the Loco + Ottd sprites / .dats/grf`s but no-one else is allowed to change them.) As agreed with the model owners. And i think i no sense make with this sentence. 13:25:34 * andythenorth will actually next be coding 'generate load sprites to all needed lengths' 13:25:43 <andythenorth> steel coils, logs etc 13:27:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c70:19d:7c49:f7e0] has joined #openttd 13:27:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:38:29 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-95.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:39:50 *** spongie [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:44:28 <spongie> Hi guys. Im reading the newgrf specs and found that you can set action2 to a variationalaction2, in it I see the signal bits (variable 10) where bit 9 adds a "programmed" flag. Is this currently in use? 13:45:13 <spongie> I also read on the feature request that there is a patch (i guess to simulate the TTD programmable signals), but it's not yet commited to openttd etc. 13:46:55 <spongie> basically I'm looking for a way to do two things 1) if the signal just after a station is red, then the train shouldn't leave the station, but instead remain in loading state. (theres no point in leaving the station if theres nowhere to go) and 2) show red if the train has a certain charecteristic (group, name, type or size). 13:47:40 <Pikka> none of that is implemented in openttd yet spongie, no. 13:47:41 <spongie> I'm guessing theres no way of getting such signal behavior from a newgrf anyway. 13:47:46 <spongie> ah, right. 13:48:01 <spongie> what is the status / desire to get this in? 13:48:41 <spongie> i was thinking of making a simple "conditional signal" 13:49:50 <spongie> i havent played the original TTD so I have no idea how those programmable signals work. 13:50:07 <planetmaker> original TTD has no programmable signals 13:50:16 <spongie> oh. i thought i read somewhere that it does. 13:50:18 <planetmaker> TTD has only the plain and blunt block signals 13:50:28 <spongie> in some feature comparison 13:51:24 <planetmaker> OpenTTD can do everything TTD could or can do. And way more 13:51:35 <planetmaker> you might have seen a comparison with TTD_Patch_ 13:51:47 <spongie> yeah 13:51:58 <planetmaker> that's a big difference 13:52:01 <spongie> is this the current development of http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45208&start=0&hilit=SignalEx ? 13:53:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:03 <planetmaker> that's more than two years old... 13:53:17 <planetmaker> the problem with programmable signals is the UI 13:53:27 <planetmaker> it needs a good way to visualize what the signals do 13:53:45 <planetmaker> opening a programming box for each of the quadrillion signals is... not a good choice 13:53:56 <planetmaker> And nothing in this respect has afaik ever been even tried 13:54:12 <Pikka> except in TTDPatch :) 13:55:29 <spongie> I don't think there's a need to add advanced programming, something like a simplified "conditional signal" would be enough 13:55:33 <spongie> some predifined tests. 13:55:33 <planetmaker> it won't run here, but by what I heart you have to check there on each signal 13:55:55 <planetmaker> spongie: we have conditional orders... 13:55:59 <spongie> like "group selector" 13:56:04 <spongie> hmmm 13:56:10 <spongie> lemme fire up openttd 13:56:34 <Pikka> planetmaker: yes. but it's not like you ever wanted to program every signal 13:56:57 <planetmaker> Indeed. I didn't want to 13:58:08 <Pikka> so it's not like "each of the quadrillion signals" needs a programming box. 13:58:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:58:22 <planetmaker> well. That's what it needs, though 13:58:51 <Pikka> maybe I'm misunderstanding :) 13:59:10 <planetmaker> you can't say that you got solved the UI issue for programmable signals when it sucks majorly after you added 10 13:59:21 <spongie> is there a way to add new conditions to the order? 13:59:42 <spongie> like for instance, continue loading until no more cargo is available AND the next signal is green 14:00:12 <Pikka> surely you'd open one signal at a time, like train orders, planetmaker? 14:00:47 <planetmaker> Pikka: that's surely a pain, if you want to really then understand how your network works 14:00:59 <planetmaker> so indeed, I don't consider that a good option 14:01:43 <planetmaker> Usually I might wonder why train XY ended up in place C 14:01:52 <spongie> id like to add signal checks and train charecteristics checks 14:01:59 <planetmaker> currently it suffices to know where the tracks go and at the train orders 14:02:12 <planetmaker> sometimes the signaling is important, but you see how they work by their sprite 14:02:19 <planetmaker> that is totally lost with programmable signals 14:02:25 <Pikka> programmable signals would have their own sprite 14:02:29 <planetmaker> thus you need to look at the train, the overall track and EVERY signal 14:02:41 <planetmaker> yes. But the sprite doesn't indicate how it works 14:02:44 <Pikka> true 14:02:55 <spongie> conditional orders sounds like a good bet 14:02:56 <Pikka> but you'd see the one programmable signal on the route and say "hmm". :) 14:03:26 <planetmaker> yep. And then I say 'hm' a hundret times ;-) 14:03:42 <spongie> planetmaker: why would you use the programmable signals that much if you didnt like em? :) 14:03:47 <spongie> (and found them useful) 14:03:52 <Pikka> only if you've used programmable signals in a ridiculous way, in which case you deserve what you get :P 14:04:17 <planetmaker> spongie: it's not that I don't like them. But I don't like to debug other people games when they complain "my train doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Your path finder is broken" 14:04:22 <planetmaker> that'd end up at my feet. Not yours 14:04:43 <spongie> just say "the pathfinder is fiiiiiiiiine" and have a drink 14:04:58 <Pikka> :) 14:05:15 <spongie> i recommend jameson, its what im having right now 14:05:20 <planetmaker> "NewGRFs cannot be changed." And then I have a drink. Mostly works 14:05:21 <Pikka> well, you don't care enough about people doing stupid things with signals then complaining to remove the presignals ;) 14:05:50 <planetmaker> Pikka: but adding that complexity w/o proper interface leaves a bad impression 14:06:04 <planetmaker> "doesn't work" will be the perception. And that's not good nor helpful 14:06:13 <spongie> but guys, what do you think about my idea about not having the train exit load/unload state before the first exit signal from the station is green 14:06:16 *** Firartix [~artixds@184.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:31 <spongie> planetmaker: works for microsoft and apple ;) 14:06:34 <planetmaker> what is an 'exit signal'? 14:06:43 <spongie> planetmaker: well my mistake. clumbsy. 14:06:45 <spongie> any signal 14:06:52 <spongie> i meant the first signal in the path from station 14:06:55 <planetmaker> even if it goes in the wrong direction? 14:07:15 <planetmaker> even if it's 20 tiles away? 14:07:18 <spongie> no. and i guess a pbs wont work well either 14:07:24 <spongie> yes to that 14:07:25 <planetmaker> what distance should it cover / wait in the station? 14:07:37 <planetmaker> what about A <--> B without signal? 14:07:50 <spongie> guess it wouldnt exit 14:07:52 <planetmaker> touble-tracked, two trains 14:07:54 <spongie> how can you even do that? 14:08:00 <planetmaker> one path signal somewhere 14:08:03 <planetmaker> would work 14:08:06 <planetmaker> without crash 14:08:10 <spongie> ok 14:08:29 <spongie> ok, how about checking just the tile immediately after the station 14:08:32 <spongie> if theres no tile no check 14:08:38 <spongie> if theres no signal on the tile taht is 14:08:49 <spongie> WOHOO JAMESON, kicking my ass in the early afternoon 14:08:51 <planetmaker> whatabout not adding that complexity? 14:08:55 <planetmaker> it's unobvious 14:09:16 <spongie> planetmaker: perhaps. but it makes little sense for a train to leave the station only to wait at the end tile of the station 14:09:44 <spongie> (or half a tile outside, or whatever it is) 14:09:45 <planetmaker> It doesn't know the signal is red. It might even change state between starting and stopping there 14:09:58 <planetmaker> It might be able to reserve a path or not 14:10:01 <spongie> which is why i want my trains to wait until it has a green one 14:10:03 <planetmaker> you might modify the track or not 14:10:09 <spongie> pbs' dont work, thats true 14:10:21 <planetmaker> yeah. It has green and then turns to red --> waits there ater driving 2px 14:10:29 <spongie> the alternative would be to have the option to add a signal on the station itself 14:10:45 <spongie> perhaps each station could have an implicit pbs like depots 14:10:46 <planetmaker> the better alternative is to have signals between tiles ;-) 14:11:33 <spongie> it sucks seeing a train being a fraction of a tile off the station meanwhile cargo is piling up 14:12:19 <planetmaker> use 'full load' orders 14:12:20 <planetmaker> ;-) 14:12:32 <spongie> planetmaker: i could use a percentage perhaps 14:13:08 <spongie> but do you get what im getting at? :) 14:14:09 <planetmaker> that's a completely different 3rd thing, though 14:14:20 <spongie> what is? 14:14:42 <planetmaker> "leave station after loading X%" 14:14:48 <spongie> yeah, it was just a sidenote 14:14:58 <spongie> it wouldnt be as effective as "load until a green light" 14:15:08 <spongie> an implicit pbs from stations would fix it. 14:15:09 <Mark> spongie: That would be awesome. 14:15:44 <spongie> spongie: oh. i thought i was just rambling. cool. 14:16:05 <Mark> :) 14:17:04 <spongie> i usually use signals to space out the trains so they arrive evenly, but when theyre stuck in that state of leaving the station only to get stuck on the next tile with a red signal i feel sorry for the commuters. :( 14:17:07 <planetmaker> many things would be nice 14:17:12 <Mark> I wonder if that is applicable. 14:17:34 <planetmaker> like "don't leave the station when signal is not green" implies at leas modification to the path finder 14:17:35 <spongie> Mark: yeah, im investigating a bit, but i havent found any way for newgrf to support adding a signal to the station 14:17:42 <planetmaker> which is a whole can of worms ;-) 14:17:49 <Mark> spongie: Mkay. 14:17:51 <spongie> planetmaker: what about adding a signal to the station? 14:17:57 <spongie> like with depots 14:18:12 <spongie> hmm. ofcourse, trains are not in the depot when waiting for free path... 14:18:12 <planetmaker> and adding signals is not a NewGRF thing. It needs changing core parts of path finders 14:18:36 <planetmaker> a can of worms _I_ will avoid to open 14:20:25 <planetmaker> of course everyone is welcome to open it and implement it :-) 14:20:44 <spongie> yeah but does it make sense? 14:20:57 <planetmaker> I think signals at tile borders makes more sense 14:20:59 <spongie> may be a condition for the load thingy could suffice 14:21:00 <planetmaker> you'd get that for free 14:21:17 <spongie> planetmaker: but how to tell the train not to quit the load/unload state 14:21:24 <planetmaker> I don't 14:21:35 <planetmaker> that's another thing 14:22:02 <spongie> so... many... things. 14:22:16 <planetmaker> yes 14:23:04 <planetmaker> a load order like "load up to X% of the capacity" probably could be done already now 14:23:15 <planetmaker> though it'd be a minimum amount 14:27:42 <spongie> planetmaker: doesnt it exist already? 14:28:40 <spongie> jump when load percentage is <cmp> to <num> 14:28:52 <planetmaker> That's a drive order, not a load order 14:29:09 <spongie> hmmmm 14:29:10 <spongie> right. 14:29:15 <spongie> i didnt think about that. 14:29:45 <spongie> oh, i also saw an inverse signal 14:29:49 <spongie> is that availble? 14:29:59 <spongie> (in the varaction2 variable 10 bits) 14:31:29 <planetmaker> what is an inverse signal? 14:32:12 *** macee [~macee@dsl51B65E41.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:32:21 <Belugas> hello 14:32:50 <spongie> planetmaker: its a bit you can set in the variable 10 of varactions2 14:32:52 <spongie> im not sure 14:32:55 <Belugas> F 14:32:57 <Belugas> R 14:32:59 <Belugas> I 14:33:02 <Belugas> D 14:33:03 <spongie> FRIDAY! 14:33:06 <Belugas> A 14:33:11 <Belugas> Y 14:33:11 <Mark> It's friay, friday. 14:33:21 <spongie> yay, let the drinking continue 14:33:24 <Belugas> yeahyeaheay!!!! 14:33:44 <Belugas> hoo... so that is why your called spongie:) 14:33:47 <Belugas> makes sens ;) 14:33:57 <spongie> im a sponge 14:34:10 <spongie> its my in game nick also 14:34:40 <spongie> and github account 14:35:43 <planetmaker> spongie: you should read the introduction section of the VarAction2 for signals again 14:35:55 <planetmaker> especially the 1st sentence 14:40:55 <spongie> planetmaker: ahhh 14:41:40 <spongie> do you guys have a good design for a load balancer for a multi track mainline? 14:41:47 <spongie> all the ones ive seen online have some minor issues 14:42:18 <spongie> path signals for instance seem to have a built-in delay even though the next signal is green. this has to do with the penalty calculation of the lookahead, i suspect 14:42:42 <Pikka> hello Belugas 14:43:28 <spongie> it seems the path signal ones start zigzagging, the presignal examples i found online have a flaw when one train starts making the shift, but another speeding train beats it to the punch 14:44:30 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:03 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.168.121] has joined #openttd 14:48:05 <annyy> http://xeducation.info/2012/02/young-italian-nimfo-teens-loves-group-sex-adolescenza-perversa-italian/ 14:48:15 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.168.121] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:49:05)] 14:48:25 <Belugas> sir Pikka! 14:48:31 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.14] has joined #openttd 14:48:42 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.14] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:49:32)] 14:48:42 <Belugas> hello, been a while :D how's life? 14:48:43 <spongie> hm. guess the tunnel one works ok 14:48:53 <Pikka> fine fine :) 14:49:03 <Pikka> trying to get all my grfs finished for 1.2 :P 14:49:04 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.201.195] has joined #openttd 14:49:08 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.201.195] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:49:58)] 14:49:22 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.223] has joined #openttd 14:49:36 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.223] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:50:26)] 14:49:46 <Belugas> hehe 14:49:46 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.201.97] has joined #openttd 14:49:50 <Belugas> looks like "fun" 14:50:19 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.201.97] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:51:09)] 14:50:38 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.211] has joined #openttd 14:51:24 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.211] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:52:13)] 14:51:38 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.168.142] has joined #openttd 14:51:47 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.168.142] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:52:37)] 14:51:57 <Pikka> definitely :P 14:52:23 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.58] has joined #openttd 14:52:43 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.169.58] has quit [autokilled: Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2012-03-02 14:53:33)] 14:53:08 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.201.159] has joined #openttd 14:53:13 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.201.159] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2012-03-02 14:54:03)] 14:53:24 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.168.235] has joined #openttd 14:53:28 *** annyy [annyy@79.125.168.235] has quit [autokilled: Mail support@oftc.net with questions (2012-03-02 14:54:17)] 14:56:28 <spongie> do you guys play online on the public servers? 14:58:20 <Belugas> me? don't play anymore. Some chords here and there not to loose touch, but that's it 14:59:30 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 15:00:12 <dihedral> pitty that :-( 15:01:08 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-50-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:04:50 <Pikka> we'll have to have a ukrs2 et al game when 1.2 comes out! :D 15:04:52 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:06 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-110-10.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:09:32 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:11:05 <Belugas> just wait for the basement to be done >:-) 15:12:24 <planetmaker> :-) 15:13:11 <andythenorth> April 1! 15:13:26 * andythenorth will not finish grfs by then :| 15:14:02 <Pikka> :] 15:14:11 <Pikka> well, you haven't been working on them for as long as I have :P 15:15:13 <andythenorth> eez true 15:16:13 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-062-247.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 15:17:30 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:25:21 *** spongie [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:33:15 <Rubidium> oh noh... andy's already asking about extra extra zoom? 15:34:03 <DanMacK> lol 15:45:54 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 15:55:57 <Terkhen> hello 15:56:37 <planetmaker> hi Terkhen 15:57:34 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:54 <andythenorth> hola Terkhen 16:14:58 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 16:19:21 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 16:24:59 <andythenorth> ho 16:25:09 <andythenorth> 4x zoom + ctrl-b = win 16:31:12 *** Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:44 <MNIM> Ctrl+b? 16:38:24 <andythenorth> bounding box 16:41:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:44:00 <MNIM> ahah, what does that do? 16:45:29 <Illegal_Alien> Makes a box? 16:45:30 <TWerkhoven[l]> tron-style overlay? 16:45:57 <TWerkhoven[l]> you see all boxes round engines and wagons and everything else 16:50:57 <Pikka> oh no 16:51:07 * Pikka adding fmsp to TaI D; 16:51:16 <andythenorth> ? 16:51:21 <Pikka> it's still not as complicated as FIRS though :D 16:51:44 <andythenorth> stockpiling? 16:51:52 <Pikka> yes 16:52:11 <Pikka> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=TaI_Industry_Chart on reflection, ordering by cargo was possibly not the clearest way of doing it, but... *shrugs* 16:52:30 <Pikka> now I just have to get this done by april 1st too. D; 16:55:34 <andythenorth> how are you going to close your furnaces? or aren't you? 16:56:14 <Pikka> the dates are the dates they can be built 16:56:22 <MNIM> shouldn't 'gasworks' be 'glassworks'? 16:56:26 <Pikka> no 16:56:39 <andythenorth> gasworks ftw :) 16:57:01 <MNIM> 0-o. 16:57:19 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:58:05 <andythenorth> I have some source images in my FIRS folder for gas works 16:58:08 <andythenorth> like this http://webpages.scu.edu/ftp/jcoakley/images/gasworks.jpg 16:58:18 <Pikka> so things like the gasworks and furnaces won't automatically close, but - because they have small stockpiles, for one thing - players will tend to stop servicing them if there's a newer power station or refinery nearby. 16:58:25 <Pikka> I have a "powerhouse" already drawn 16:58:30 <Pikka> just gotta add the gasometers :D 16:58:39 <Pikka> (and make a gasometer town building too!) 16:59:32 <Pikka> andy, more like http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9PzMXC04dIs/TOVka4BpOOI/AAAAAAAAAEs/GbRn0Ry51SQ/s1600/w.h+gas+works.jpg 17:00:22 <Pikka> brb 17:00:23 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d114-78-20-54.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 17:00:41 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d114-78-20-54.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:05:07 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:22 <andythenorth> gah 17:07:31 * andythenorth hates dealing with offsets and vehicle lengths 17:07:41 <andythenorth> articulated trucks are apparently an impossible case :P 17:07:52 <andythenorth> or the nml template needs adjusting 17:12:13 <andythenorth> or I'm a dumb dumb 17:12:32 <andythenorth> no point blaming the template when you're using the wrong one 17:12:54 <andythenorth> today's moral: don't test graphics while feeding a toddler pasta 17:15:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:21:43 <MNIM> ...uh 17:22:04 <MNIM> how did you come to that wond'rous discovery? 17:22:47 <andythenorth> empirically 17:30:47 *** _maddy [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:40 <_maddy> hi all, anyone up for coop multiplayer? 17:33:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.188.64] has joined #openttd 17:33:12 * MNIM snickers andythenorth. 17:33:13 <MNIM> *at 17:34:34 <Yexo> you fed the baby graphics while testing the pasta? :p 17:35:10 <andythenorth> I screwed up the graphics while failing to feed the baby correctly :| 17:35:35 <MNIM> haha 17:40:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CEBE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:51 <Elukka> http://a.imageshack.us/img204/8356/metroac.jpg 17:54:55 <Elukka> MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING 17:55:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:28 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e453.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:37 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:10:12 <Illegal_Alien> I like the add "rough tracks" 18:14:56 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:19 *** _maddy [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:19:24 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d114-78-20-54.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 18:19:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:19:53 <Wolf01> ing 18:21:44 <NGC3982> what the 18:22:05 <NGC3982> it actually rerailed and railed on another track? 18:22:26 <NGC3982> derailed* 18:22:45 <MNIM> or it ran over a moving switch 18:22:53 <MNIM> and one bogey got switched and the other didn;t 18:24:06 <NGC3982> ah, i see. 18:24:09 <NGC3982> most likely 18:24:41 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 18:26:28 <andythenorth> picked the switch 18:26:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:26:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:13 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 18:27:26 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:38 * andythenorth wonders how to generate log sprites 18:28:11 *** Arkabzol [~Arkabzol@c-65dbe455.018-632-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:44 <xiong> Mazur, hey! 18:29:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:30:29 <andythenorth> hmm 18:31:12 *** FHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:31:37 <andythenorth> could be easiest to just draw the damn things for all lengths needed 18:34:24 <Mazur> Yes? 18:34:37 <Wolf01> even 18:34:43 <Wolf01> hey it's arrived! 18:37:12 <andythenorth> help me out here... 18:37:25 <andythenorth> cargos that ship in coils include...? 18:37:26 <andythenorth> - steel 18:37:28 <andythenorth> - paper 18:37:29 <andythenorth> ?? 18:37:35 <NGC3982> PROFIT???? 18:37:36 <Wolf01> plastic 18:37:37 <andythenorth> (for known cargos in openttd) 18:40:04 <andythenorth> copper? 18:40:48 <Mazur> Copper's been known to be wound on coils for shipment. 18:40:57 <Mazur> Glassfiberoptics. 18:41:15 <andythenorth> corresponds to which openttd cargo? 18:41:17 <andythenorth> :) 18:41:49 <Mazur> Oh, going to restrict the category now, are you? 18:42:01 <Mazur> <andythenorth> cargos that ship in coils include...? 18:42:07 <Mazur> That was the original question. 18:42:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f49fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:10 <FHerne> Engineering supplies? Cables, ropes, wiring etc 18:44:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24001 /trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt: 18:44:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:44:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 1 changes by JayCity 18:45:14 <andythenorth> k thanks all 18:45:15 <andythenorth> :) 18:47:37 * andythenorth is figuring out which load sprites to generate 18:47:58 <FHerne> More ship cargo sprites then? 18:48:03 <andythenorth> BANDIT first 18:48:14 <FHerne> Aw 18:48:29 <andythenorth> but yes, the pixel generator will be applied to FISH later too 18:48:35 <FHerne> :-) 18:48:39 <andythenorth> my list so far: 18:49:00 <andythenorth> coils, pipes/tubes, crates, ISO containers, loads covered by tarpaulins, dimensional lumber, vehicles / machinery 18:49:05 <andythenorth> logs 18:49:46 <FHerne> Livestock sprites? 18:49:53 <andythenorth> maybe 18:50:02 <andythenorth> (logs might be both tree-length and sawn logs, not sure) 18:50:31 <FHerne> Will you be having tanks for milk/oil/chemicals, too? 18:50:33 <andythenorth> barrels? 18:50:53 <FHerne> Would be good for your brewery 18:51:31 <andythenorth> I have tank trailers, but yes something for liquid cargo needed 18:51:31 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=996451#p996451 18:51:33 <andythenorth> hmm 18:51:38 <andythenorth> sugar cane. tricky 18:52:09 <andythenorth> toyland batteries? ugh 18:52:47 <Terkhen> Feel free to steal cargo sprites from ogfx-rv :P 18:53:08 <andythenorth> thanks 18:53:15 <andythenorth> need any yourself? 18:53:25 <andythenorth> bales...bales are a sadly missing cargo 18:53:37 <andythenorth> wool, fibre crops are baled 18:53:58 <andythenorth> milk churns are just barrels 18:54:00 <andythenorth> glass? 18:54:27 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has joined #openttd 18:54:28 <andythenorth> http://hobbyplex.com/cart/images/10252%2010-2-2011%2012-25-38%20PM.JPG 18:54:34 * Terkhen does not remember 18:55:13 <andythenorth> hm 18:55:19 <andythenorth> recyclables are often baled 18:55:37 <andythenorth> Fish! 18:55:50 <andythenorth> bulk cargo: dump truck full of animated water :P 19:02:44 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:42 *** richard [~richard@host86-154-42-194.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:07 * Rhamphoryncus waves to andythenorth 19:04:14 <andythenorth> hi 19:04:43 <Rhamphoryncus> Testing is coming along well 19:04:45 <FHerne> Refrigerated fish boxes for that? 19:05:06 <andythenorth> maybe 19:13:58 *** richard [~richard@host86-154-42-194.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Richard is Leaving] 19:14:15 *** richard [~richard@host86-154-42-194.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:11 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-95.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:35:00 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-95.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:11 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:57 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:46:53 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:48:06 <andythenorth> really really, just use the fricking GPL :x 19:48:54 <andythenorth> also, who knew MU trains were worth so many words in one post? :o 19:52:19 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:49 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 20:06:12 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:13:59 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:14:37 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: is it possible to have a button on industry windows to inject money to prolong near-closing industries? Or is that beyond what a grf can do? 20:14:49 <andythenorth> beyond 20:14:53 <andythenorth> game patch 20:15:22 <Rhamphoryncus> okay. Not a big deal, just thought I'd ask 20:15:24 <andythenorth> imo players should be able to own industries and such 20:15:28 <andythenorth> and generate money from them 20:15:35 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 20:15:38 <andythenorth> but that would be close to Railroad Tycoon 2 /3 20:15:49 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 20:15:55 <andythenorth> and RT3 was pretty much an industry game, the trains were purely incidental in many scenarioa 20:16:23 <Rhamphoryncus> Removing "cargo waiting to be processed" is a game patch too? 20:16:29 <andythenorth> yup 20:17:14 <andythenorth> ideally it would be a new cb, allowing total control of the industry window (or extend cb 3A) 20:17:15 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Show_additional_text_in_industry_window_.283A.29 20:17:37 <andythenorth> set a byte somewhere, you get a blank canvas in that window 20:17:40 <andythenorth> desirable 20:18:43 * Rhamphoryncus nods 20:19:43 <Rhamphoryncus> Couple more points to bring up. Fishing grounds define the farm supplies string but don't include extra_text_primary.pnml? 20:20:34 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@83TAADS1Z.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:30 <Rhamphoryncus> So are they intended to be a farm or is that just cruft from when they used to be a farm? 20:23:18 <NGC3982> dudes, got tip on any neat train model grf? 20:23:34 <Rhamphoryncus> NGC3982: which ones have you used? 20:23:46 <NGC3982> FIRS+ECS 20:23:59 <Rhamphoryncus> So no train sets :) 20:24:13 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: sounds like cruft. Fishing grounds take no input cargo 20:24:40 <NGC3982> a bit tired of the royal hudson and mat '41 20:24:48 <NGC3982> Rhamphoryncus: isnt FIRS a train set? 20:25:03 <andythenorth> try it and see 20:25:16 <Rhamphoryncus> NGC3982: NARS, 2CC, and UKRS come to mind 20:25:31 <Rhamphoryncus> NGC3982: No, it's an industry replacement 20:26:10 <Rhamphoryncus> I have more train sets installed than I've even used 20:26:12 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:25 <NGC3982> oh wait, sorry. it's 2CC ive tried. 20:26:32 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:36 <NGC3982> ah, ok. 20:26:48 <NGC3982> is all of the above available in the content download? 20:26:54 <Rhamphoryncus> yup 20:26:59 <NGC3982> thank you! 20:27:05 <Rhamphoryncus> and many more. Search for "train" and such 20:27:54 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:30:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 20:34:17 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: I'll delete the cruft then. Next up, I'm thinking secondaries need some user feedback as they approach closure. As it is I still haven't seen a primary close, but at 5 years the secondaries are closing regularly 20:34:44 <andythenorth> hard to do well 20:34:59 <andythenorth> is there a ticket about it in the devzone? 20:35:06 <andythenorth> it's an often discussed issue 20:35:17 <Rhamphoryncus> Don't you get to tell a secondary to close? 20:35:32 <andythenorth> yes 20:35:41 <andythenorth> I'm not sure if we do or not at the moment though 20:35:52 <Rhamphoryncus> Just opened it, you do 20:36:27 <andythenorth> is it based on when cargo was last delivered? 20:36:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.188.214] has joined #openttd 20:36:52 <Rhamphoryncus> var_closure_counter going up to 60 months 20:37:19 <Rhamphoryncus> Then a 50/50 chance. I assume this doesn't get called every month or there would be many more closures 20:38:06 <andythenorth> maybe we rely on the random prod. change 20:38:14 <andythenorth> I don't recall that code well 20:38:23 <andythenorth> I'll open it later - food right now 20:38:49 * Rhamphoryncus nods 20:38:49 <andythenorth> possible to trigger a production change message 20:39:20 <andythenorth> do you have a patch queue or such? 20:39:25 <Rhamphoryncus> I'd like it to behave like a primary, but simplified. Randomly reduce a counter when not serviced, randomly increase it when you are 20:39:47 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm using hg normally. Me and mq didn't get along 20:40:12 <andythenorth> do you have diffs for features? 20:41:17 <Rhamphoryncus> I could do one of planetmaker's patches (but after I fixed collisions), then another of my subsequent changes? 20:41:47 <andythenorth> sounds fine 20:41:54 <andythenorth> as long as they can be reviewed easily.... 20:42:11 <Rhamphoryncus> I haven't done a heck of a lot. 90% of the patch will probably be updating the string define 20:42:28 <Rhamphoryncus> I definitely understand why CPP was used :) 20:43:23 <andythenorth> it's a big project, with a lot of repetition 20:43:42 <Rhamphoryncus> Yeah, and nml doesn't give the power you need 20:44:16 <Rhamphoryncus> I should let you go :) 20:44:32 <andythenorth> I have a mouth full of chicken tikka. I'm good. 20:44:42 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 20:45:01 <andythenorth> templating nml with python is highly effective ;) 20:45:09 <Rhamphoryncus> Okay, another thing I'm planning to do is say "Increase: not possible." if we're at 800% 20:45:30 <andythenorth> There's a string for 'max production reached' or such already 20:45:48 <Rhamphoryncus> It's not used with the new primary strings 20:46:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Do you prefer to say "max production reached."? 20:46:57 <andythenorth> STR_EXTRA_MAX_PRODUCTION 20:49:09 * Rhamphoryncus nods 20:49:23 <Rhamphoryncus> Probably save that for a separate patch 20:53:19 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has joined #openttd 20:55:37 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:03:29 <Rhamphoryncus> Closing seems trigger in the middle of the month. I've seen them have less than a week's notice 21:04:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@cable-82-119-24-181.cust.telecolumbus.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:57 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:12 <supermop> hello 21:05:42 <andythenorth> hi supermop 21:06:02 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: closing is zero notice afaik 21:06:18 * andythenorth opens the code 21:06:45 <Rhamphoryncus> It closes at the beginning of the next month 21:07:18 <Rhamphoryncus> I believe the base industries announce at the start of the month, giving them a full month of wait. I may be wrong though. 21:07:24 <andythenorth> ok we use the random prod. change for closing 21:07:41 <andythenorth> and the code we have for it currently is pretty similar to what default game does 21:08:25 <andythenorth> once closure is announced, there's no way back afaik 21:08:34 <Rhamphoryncus> That I know 21:08:42 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Random_production_change_.2829.29 21:08:44 <andythenorth> result 03 21:09:33 <andythenorth> there is a revision from (long time ago) with power stations that showed their closure chance 21:09:35 <Rhamphoryncus> when is random_production_change called? During the middle of the month? 21:09:49 <andythenorth> not sure - would need industry_cmd.cpp to find that 21:11:48 <Rhamphoryncus> IndustryDailyLoop 21:11:59 <andythenorth> announcing closure chance with a news message is problematic 21:11:59 <Rhamphoryncus> So yeah, any day during the month 21:12:11 <andythenorth> as closure is not deterministic 21:12:59 <Rhamphoryncus> Yeah, and if the player can't intervene there's not much point 21:13:16 <andythenorth> we could run a message on the monthly loop, after say....48 months 21:13:34 <andythenorth> just show it once 'deliver cargo within 12 months or industry risks closure' 21:13:35 <Rhamphoryncus> I'd be happy if the industry window just said "This industry is in good health.", "This industry is in poor health.", or "This industry is in dire straights." 21:13:45 <andythenorth> hmm 21:13:51 <andythenorth> let me see if I can find how we did it before 21:14:19 <Rhamphoryncus> The actual mechanics of progression don't matter, as long as it is a progression and the player can see it 21:15:19 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: around about r657, you'd find nfo code for the power station that handled showing messages 21:15:31 * Rhamphoryncus nods 21:15:45 <andythenorth> THIS_STR_INFO_WARN_1, THIS_STR_INFO_WARN_2 might be of use 21:15:54 <andythenorth> although it's all nfo at that point ;) 21:16:07 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 21:18:17 <andythenorth> hmm 21:18:31 <andythenorth> wouldn't it be nice if cargo subtypes could actually be used as intended 21:18:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:18:45 <Rhamphoryncus> What's a cargo subtype? 21:18:49 <andythenorth> instead of being abused for things like length refits, livery refits 21:19:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:20:27 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:47 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Cargo_Subtype_Display_.2819.29 21:23:30 <Rhamphoryncus> ooh nice 21:23:57 <andythenorth> the original intent of it is kind of dumb and confusing 21:24:00 <Rhamphoryncus> but.. all their examples should require a different wagon 21:24:07 <andythenorth> it's extensively abused for other purposes 21:25:25 *** spongie [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:25:52 <Rhamphoryncus> To do their examples you should turn "goods" into the meta-type an industry produces, then ask a cargo dest system what specific type (cars, petroleum, sheet metal) to produce 21:27:53 * Rhamphoryncus notices his coal mine rating has dropped to 48%. And has 1000+ tonnes waiting. 21:33:57 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: turn on improved station rating :P 21:34:16 <Rhamphoryncus> nah, just need to improve service 21:38:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:05 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 21:40:33 <Rhamphoryncus> I'm so used to dealing with station rating that it's not an issue anymore 21:45:30 * Belugas nods 21:46:07 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@83TAADS1Z.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:15 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:52:54 * Rhamphoryncus nods at Belugas 21:55:43 * Belugas nods at the nodding one 21:56:11 * Belugas checks his watch and find it interestingly close to liberation time! 21:57:05 <Rhamphoryncus> It's already time for the coup? 21:57:13 <Rhamphoryncus> I thought that was at least another month away 21:59:03 <Belugas> he?? 21:59:39 <Belugas> Job is over for the weekend 21:59:45 <Belugas> that's a liberation time 21:59:54 <Belugas> and now... bye! 22:00:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Right.. that.. 22:02:46 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 22:11:15 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:55 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 22:24:50 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:27:36 *** peteris is now known as pecisk_majas 22:29:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:30:58 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: my ideal station rating would be based on the lowest waiting cargo achieved in the last several months 22:31:20 <andythenorth> try it in game :P 22:31:33 <andythenorth> with secondary industry, you might find some flaws with that 22:31:41 <andythenorth> achieve 100% rating with no production :P 22:31:52 <andythenorth> also, it's got a nasty edge case 22:31:57 <Rhamphoryncus> Just have to make sure that counts as 0%, heh 22:32:07 <andythenorth> as rating decreases, cargo distributed decreases 22:32:23 <andythenorth> so given enough time, not transporting cargo will increase your rating :P 22:32:27 <andythenorth> (a long time) 22:32:33 <Rhamphoryncus> Sorry, lowest waiting as a percentage of the monthly output 22:32:54 <andythenorth> iirc, not available to you 22:33:01 <andythenorth> the rating is a station cb 22:33:11 <Rhamphoryncus> doh 22:33:12 <andythenorth> stations know nothing about internals of industry 22:33:20 <Rhamphoryncus> That does cripple it, yes 22:33:22 <Chris_Booth> gggr 22:33:28 <andythenorth> worth checking, I might misremember 22:33:36 <andythenorth> we have rating code in FIRS 22:33:41 <Chris_Booth> I am going to have to ignore cb typed in the channel 22:34:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Chris_Booth: if you want revenge just start talking about adam sandler x_x 22:34:51 <Chris_Booth> lol I am not mean! 22:38:08 <Rhamphoryncus> My name is adam so those set off my nick highlighter all the time 22:38:08 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 11.0/20120222074758]] 22:39:46 <peter1138> who is adam sandler and why would we talk about him? 22:40:03 <Rhamphoryncus> Some american actor I care nothing about 22:41:09 *** macee [~macee@dsl51B65E41.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 22:41:35 *** richard [~richard@host86-154-42-194.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Richard is Leaving] 22:43:58 <frosch123> night 22:44:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f49fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:45 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:40 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:51:39 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:53:58 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:00 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:58:00 *** sla_ro|vista [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [] 23:00:02 <spongie> in this tutorial (http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/TheFirstVehicle) they reuse SH 125 engine, could someone buy me a quick clue on how to add a completely new vehicle? 23:00:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:01:54 * planetmaker highly recommends http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial/Road_vehicle as tutorial 23:01:56 <Terkhen> good night 23:02:01 <planetmaker> g'night, Terkhen 23:10:26 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178192131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:14:33 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 23:17:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:17:55 <Wolf01> 'night 23:18:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:19:43 *** FHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:20:21 *** spongie [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:27:46 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:42 *** pecisk_majas [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:55:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Haw. NARS requires cabooses on freight trains. It doesn't say where in the train it has to be. 23:57:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit []