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00:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling harddrives get louder over time 00:04:20 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:14:30 <Rhamphoryncus> Too high wind resistance? 00:16:22 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@60-241-89-135.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:37:26 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d8204bb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 00:46:51 <xiong> What is the 0 'other' charge? 01:08:52 *** kkb110__ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 01:09:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-77-113.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:49 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:57 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 01:30:47 *** kkb110__ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:23 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 01:41:58 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:48:35 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 01:54:44 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-009-231.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:00:39 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-184-207.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:41 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 02:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause> how does a ~ directory grow to 80000 subdirectories? 02:22:50 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:34 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:33:32 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 02:35:52 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:54 <Rhamphoryncus> Hrm. Someone told me that a caboose doesn't affect loading/unloading time if it's larger than the station. It's a lie. :P 02:40:57 <Rhamphoryncus> A tiny overhang might be tolerable, but it still has an effect 02:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that may have been changed in the past 02:41:47 <Rhamphoryncus> ahh 02:42:30 <Rhamphoryncus> My trains are listed as 4.1. They don't even occupy the preceding block, but it's still enough to maybe double the load/unload time 02:58:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d043:1a11:a9a4:98ba] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:07:55 <xiong> So who thought up the extra zoom levels? 03:20:01 *** George is now known as Guest5332 03:20:04 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 03:25:36 *** Guest5332 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:50 *** DrSpangle [~dsmullen@CPE18593342d131-CM18593342d12e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 04:06:06 *** DrSpangle [~dsmullen@CPE18593342d131-CM18593342d12e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:06:58 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@115.133.7.27] has joined #openttd 04:09:10 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-65-161.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:12:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.4.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:37 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-009-231.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 04:28:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 04:35:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 04:43:34 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:57:13 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 04:57:30 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-132-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:57:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 05:01:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.163] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:09 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-3-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:04:14 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-88-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:04:14 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 05:04:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:05:16 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:46 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@88.149.87.36] has joined #openttd 05:05:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.163] has joined #openttd 05:07:36 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:36 *** Zeknurn` is now known as Zeknurn 05:08:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-132-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:43:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-160-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:49:44 *** DrSpangle [~dsmullen@CPE18593342d131-CM18593342d12e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 05:50:03 *** DrSpangle [~dsmullen@CPE18593342d131-CM18593342d12e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:50:09 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-88-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:59:59 *** DrSpangle [~dsmullen@CPE18593342d131-CM18593342d12e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #openttd [] 06:00:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7465F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B748D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:44 <Pikka> what's the difference between a horse? 06:31:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09eeb8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:34 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 06:39:20 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has joined #openttd 06:47:45 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:48:28 *** Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has joined #openttd 06:48:57 *** Twofish [~Twofish@77-95-76-210.bb.cust.hknett.no] has quit [] 06:54:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-20-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:55:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 07:00:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-160-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:00:43 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-88-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:00:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:04:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:04:44 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-20-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:12:27 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-41-132.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:14:18 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:18:14 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-88-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:56 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:33 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 07:43:25 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:44 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 07:58:22 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:59:15 <Pikka> allo handy 08:01:33 <andythenorth> peeka boo 08:07:08 <andythenorth> hmm 08:07:12 <andythenorth> do we have minions? 08:07:17 <andythenorth> I could use some minions right now 08:07:25 <Pikka> onion minions 08:07:39 <Pikka> what do you want minions for? 08:07:52 <Pikka> don't you have robotic procedural minions? 08:08:40 <andythenorth> I still have to draw dots on top of templates purposes of locating cargos for 08:09:43 <Pikka> curses 08:11:26 <andythenorth> could be worse :| 08:11:36 <andythenorth> definitely minion worthy 08:11:36 <Pikka> indeed! 08:11:41 <andythenorth> maybe I could crowd source it! 08:11:44 <Pikka> you could be trying to draw a pendodildo 08:12:03 <andythenorth> can't you use the one from BROS? Now available in range of lengths :P 08:12:05 <Pikka> the crowd doesn't make very good minions in my experience 08:12:17 <Pikka> I haven't actually looked at their sprites lately 08:12:25 <Pikka> maybe I should to bolster my sense of superiority :P 08:12:52 <Pikka> mine only comes in 8/8 though 08:13:06 <andythenorth> changing lengths is the new thing 08:13:37 <Pikka> perhaps one day releasing grfs will be the new thing 08:15:11 * andythenorth will bake a cake that day 08:15:20 <andythenorth> cake 1.0 08:15:26 <Pikka> CAKE 08:15:46 <andythenorth> FISH, CHIPS and CAKE 08:22:21 <Pikka> there 08:22:43 <Pikka> if I make the doors 2cc, I can probably get away with using the same pattern on the voyagers for virgin and cross country :) 08:23:54 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:50:56 * andythenorth discovers the 'run' commands in his text editor :P 08:51:05 <andythenorth> including the one that opens the .py file in pdb 08:51:13 <andythenorth> how interesting 08:52:40 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:00:19 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178228184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:59 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:14:50 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-70-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:16:01 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-009-231.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:18:10 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 09:18:16 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:43 <andythenorth> hmm 09:19:49 <andythenorth> moving coils into the right place is boring 09:19:51 <andythenorth> that can wait 09:20:47 <andythenorth> Pikka: got any square tarp loads? 09:21:16 * andythenorth is pondering auto-tarp loads in multiple colours.... 09:21:18 <Pikka> yarp 09:22:38 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178228184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:44 <Pikka> http://www.pruplethingz.com/junk/itsatarp.png 09:29:38 <andythenorth> ta much 09:31:42 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:44:34 <peter1138> it's not 32bpp extra zoom! 09:45:06 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:45:20 <Pikka> that's what you think! 09:54:07 <andythenorth> Pikka: I'm about to apply the viral evil of GPL to your tarps....that ok? 09:54:18 <Pikka> go ahead 09:54:29 <andythenorth> ta 10:11:01 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:16 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:24:21 <lugo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kztNWdhRdnw 10:25:14 <lugo> it's 32bpp!!1 "images not representative to gameplay" 10:40:58 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@60-241-89-135.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:41:36 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:20 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:08:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 11:20:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-33-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:21:27 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:26:48 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-41-132.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:35 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:47:00 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:57:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-141-211.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:00:12 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:19 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-33-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:34 <Pikka> erlvome back andy 12:04:41 <Pikka> oh no obiwan errors 12:04:45 <Pikka> welcome 12:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the obiwan convention 12:05:39 <Pikka> urd 12:05:45 <Pikka> or twa 12:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a zes? :p 12:06:31 <Pikka> oh you europeans and your funny keyboards 12:08:11 <__ln__> oh you australians and your yoghurt trees 12:08:47 <Pikka> they're not my yoghurt trees 12:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so... what makes kio_file use 100% cpu and 200kB/s disk access? 12:09:13 <Pikka> hijinks, Eddi|zuHause 12:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> next time i'm copying whole filesystems instead of 400000 small files in 80000 directories 12:13:17 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-65-161.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:10 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 12:32:37 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@115.133.7.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.7.27] has joined #openttd 12:33:58 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Partir, c'est mourir un peu.] 12:38:28 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:42:07 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:48:06 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-65-161.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:48:58 *** mkv` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:46 *** cypher [~Miranda@wced-208-218-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:31:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:59f5:d051:d051:c52] has joined #openttd 13:31:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:55:56 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:00 <Belugas> hello 14:03:45 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.7.27] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:06:48 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm74.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:07:46 <Pikka> hello Belugas 14:07:52 <Pikka> hello tablecat 14:08:50 <andythenorth> hello iggle piggle 14:09:22 <andythenorth> hello pinky ponk 14:10:47 <Pikka> hello nordic andrew 14:10:59 <Pikka> how goes the load of tarp? 14:11:14 <Belugas> hello Pikka you sir :) 14:25:29 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:27:53 <andythenorth> Pikka: the tarps are under wraps right now 14:27:54 <andythenorth> on ice 14:28:04 <Pikka> oh, nice. 14:28:05 <andythenorth> baby duties 14:28:19 <andythenorth> we had to interdict a spide 14:28:28 <andythenorth> (that's a small spider btw) 14:28:37 <Pikka> I see! 14:28:51 * Pikka is trying to get back in the zone 14:28:51 <Scuddles> how is babby formed 14:28:57 <Pikka> scuddles shush 14:28:57 <andythenorth> of clay 14:29:14 <Pikka> drew some trains today, got some more to draw... D: 14:29:19 <Pikka> and buses 14:29:22 <Pikka> and houses 14:29:23 <Pikka> and planes 14:29:27 <Pikka> and industries 14:29:27 <Scuddles> the trains were actually buses 14:29:34 <Pikka> then who was phone 14:29:39 <Scuddles> also you draw no plens or INDOOSTROOS 14:29:45 <Scuddles> I was fone 14:29:46 <andythenorth> draw draw draw 14:29:49 * Pikka tea 14:29:54 <Scuddles> pikkaT 14:30:04 <Scuddles> who drinks tea at midnight 14:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> midnight is at 15:30? 14:30:40 <planetmaker> yup 14:30:56 <Scuddles> probably is at pikkanistan 14:39:16 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:43:47 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.7.27] has joined #openttd 14:46:45 <Pikka> it's closer to 1 than midnight, but yes 14:48:10 <Scuddles> EOORL GROOY 14:50:15 <Pikka> lapsang souchong actually 14:52:29 <Belugas> # Two Minutes to miiiiidnight 14:53:50 <Scuddles> filthy gaijin drinking chinese tea 14:54:44 <Pikka> yes 15:19:00 *** _maddy [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:15 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 15:26:20 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 15:29:41 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 15:32:52 <Pikka> andythenorth: fertiliser van 15:33:03 <peter1138> shit wagon 15:33:14 <Pikka> should it carry only fert and fmsp, or should it carry goods also? 15:33:30 <Pikka> badum-tish, peter1138 15:33:34 <peter1138> i know right 15:34:35 <Pikka> /me is thinking goods too... :) means those playing without industry grfs will still have it, for one thing 15:34:40 * Pikka is, is me? 15:36:47 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm74.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:02 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm74.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:40:45 <Pikka> http://www.flickr.com/groups/leedsrailways/discuss/72157627126861671/ those were the days, eh? 15:47:10 <Scuddles> These sure are some fancy brs 15:47:12 <Scuddles> huehue 15:52:08 <Pikka> BR? 15:53:52 <Pikka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2DmTnXlDA 15:57:55 <andythenorth> Pikka: no strong opinion on fertiliser van 15:58:03 <Pikka> ok 15:58:10 <andythenorth> it's a palette wagon... 15:58:14 <andythenorth> stuff on palettes fits in it 15:58:50 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-237-231.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:58:55 <andythenorth> or pallets :P 16:00:19 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:24 <Pikka> either really 16:01:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009dd5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-141-211.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:07:40 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> did the forum just die? 16:08:31 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:09:10 <Pikka> does that answer your question? :) 16:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose :) 16:11:28 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:07 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:02 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:28:22 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 16:28:40 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-123-80.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-237-231.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09eeb8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:02 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:25 * NGC3982 begins his first nml challenge. 16:43:45 <xiong> Well, for my money, you can have a fertilizer wagon... but no refits to it. 16:45:05 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:12 <Pikka> it doesn't hurt to have yet another goods wagon... 16:47:13 <Scuddles> probably a bubblecar refitted to goods 16:47:16 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-176-206.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 16:47:27 <Pikka> no bubblecars here 16:50:04 <Pikka> I suppose this means the end of the horsedrawn zeppelin? 16:55:28 <andythenorth> it's always useful to have more ways to carry that descriptive cargo 'goods' 16:55:36 <Pikka> yep 16:56:24 <andythenorth> horsedrawn zeppelin sounds highly plausible 16:56:36 <andythenorth> like a canal boat 16:56:42 <andythenorth> only in the sky 16:56:43 <andythenorth> and massive 16:56:45 <andythenorth> and explosive 16:56:55 <TWerkhoven[l]> that depends on the gas 16:59:04 *** _maddy [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:13 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 17:10:41 <Scuddles> go innawoods with ur bubbelcar 17:11:14 <Pikka> get out you hairy little scotsman 17:12:31 <Pikka> surely you realise it is well past bedtime 17:12:39 <Pikka> goodnight 17:12:40 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-111-65-161.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 17:12:50 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:12:59 *** holyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:13:05 *** holyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:10 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [] 17:20:47 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-009-231.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 17:26:24 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178223078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:32:49 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.166.116] has joined #openttd 17:40:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:52 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 17:42:52 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:15 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-89-176-205-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:46:40 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: *Throws a nuclear warhead in the room and flees*] 17:49:43 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A428.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:17 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:14 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:04 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: *Throws a nuclear warhead in the room and flees*] 18:40:22 <NGC3982> what is the command to set max station spread? 18:40:48 <NGC3982> oh wait 18:41:18 <NGC3982> found it! \o/ 18:41:20 <NGC3982> google first, ask later. 18:41:25 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd try "set station_spread" 18:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> or probably "list_settings station" 18:43:20 <NGC3982> station_spread was correct. 18:43:37 <NGC3982> i first tried max_station_spread, t'was defeated, t'was googled. 18:45:14 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 19:01:24 *** Driscoll [~psmul@541C3A65.cm-5-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:52 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm74.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 19:03:12 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:04:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7465F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:06:07 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:06:26 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has joined #openttd 19:11:19 *** Driscoll [~psmul@541C3A65.cm-5-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13:29 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-54.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:17:22 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-54.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:18:27 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-54.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 19:22:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 19:31:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7465F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:22 <supermop> hi 19:34:25 <Terkhen> hello 19:34:40 <supermop> i want my monorail beams to look smooth, not noisey 19:35:17 <supermop> but that really cuts down on how much i can differentiate different angles with shades of grey 19:36:09 <supermop> so if / looks even a bit too bright, _ and \ are too dark 19:36:21 <supermop> unless i make them essentially the same as / 19:37:19 <supermop> and usually all greys to expand the range doesnt work, as some faces of the beam are cool grey whereas others are warm 19:37:29 <supermop> *using all greys 19:40:02 <andythenorth> 32bpp? 19:42:31 <NGC3982> bah 19:42:47 <NGC3982> i wish i could slow down the time in a server game 19:42:51 <NGC3982> like, a day is a day, etc. 19:43:08 <NGC3982> or at least, a day is a year 19:50:07 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-89-176-205-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:53:24 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-009-231.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:07:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-176-206.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:31 <supermop> 8bpp 20:08:07 <andythenorth> supermop: sometimes the game doesn't differentiate angles very accurately anyway 20:08:59 <andythenorth> if you look at e.g trucks in original TTD, lots of the shading is lies :) 20:09:02 <andythenorth> but it looks good 20:09:40 <supermop> yeah 20:09:59 <supermop> its the looking good part that is trouble 20:10:20 <Rhamphoryncus> ergh. I just had the idea of using a self-regulating network to service a cluster of 14 farms x_x 20:10:22 <supermop> also in real life most alweg style beams have tire marks on the top 20:10:35 <supermop> not sure if i should include that 20:10:44 <andythenorth> unlikel 20:10:58 <supermop> and i should show concrete aggregate at full ez 20:11:21 <Rhamphoryncus> although that'd require something like 14 dummy, 14 real, and at least a few more to keep things flowing.. 20:11:24 <supermop> so as to get noise and more chances for dithering to get subtle shades 20:11:45 <supermop> *if i should...? 20:12:42 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-70-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:14:40 <andythenorth> supermop: full ez completely changes the situation ;) 20:17:55 <supermop> i would rather draw at that scale now that i can and then work backwards to regular zoom 20:18:35 <supermop> but at either size, drawing a good looking concrete beam from four angles is tricky 20:18:50 <supermop> as are the joints of the track 20:19:07 <supermop> as the beam has some non-negligible height 20:20:15 <supermop> so _ to \ will be weird as I assume ottd only lets track itself have a height of zero 20:21:00 <supermop> as an edge that looks good for \ to \ will look bad for _ to \ and vis-versa 20:23:00 <supermop> the original monorails are thin enough and bland enough looking that it doesn't matter 20:24:31 <supermop> can i cheat the caternary to give a real volume to the beam? 20:24:50 <andythenorth> dunno 20:24:52 <andythenorth> try it? 20:25:15 <supermop> or can track have height itself? 20:29:44 <andythenorth> not afaik 20:30:03 <andythenorth> check the spec on railtypes, see if there's a bounding box with z 20:30:11 <supermop> ok 20:30:21 <andythenorth> no alberth today :| 20:30:32 <supermop> work is so annoy - can brain storm things to do but cannot act on them 20:30:48 <supermop> and then all of you guys are asleep when i do have time to draw 20:31:12 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has joined #openttd 20:31:58 <michi_cc> Bounding box doesn't matter, fact is a train will always be drawn exactly in the middle of the tile, so you can only fake height like in that transrapid trackset out there. 20:32:27 <supermop> i mean at the edges of tiles 20:32:49 <supermop> can a rail tile overlap the tile behind it 20:36:34 <michi_cc> Not really. OpenTTD may draw the tile behind without drawing the front tile. 20:38:00 <supermop> so to get that effect, my monorail track should be drawn as a 'caternary' 20:38:41 <supermop> with some ugly cheated version under incase the user turns caternary invisible 20:40:01 <supermop> ok that might be ok 20:40:47 <supermop> can a railtype be forced to draw fences between tiles of two different rail types? 20:42:27 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f251.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> no, fences are hardcoded 20:43:06 <supermop> ah 20:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a patch once that changed fences to be removed between any company-owned land (except roads) 20:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody really was interested 20:44:52 <supermop> in order to use standard station platforms etc, monorail at grade will need a trench of some kind, present in ttd graphics (not in tto), 20:45:20 <supermop> but it is silly for two parallel track to have two parallel trenches 20:46:04 <supermop> one wide trench would be better 20:46:34 <supermop> if the 'step up' from trench to ground were drawn as a fence, 20:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%202.%20Mai%201988.png 20:47:26 <supermop> then adjacent tracks would share a trench, 20:48:00 <supermop> but you would still need the step-up 'fence' between monorail and regular rail 20:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that's basically the same problem as combined catenary poles or dual track tunnels/bridges 20:49:16 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Ravenswald%20Transport,%2026.%20Apr%201988.png <- "before" 20:51:13 <supermop> so it would need a patch? 20:51:32 <supermop> yeah i remember your patch for fences 20:51:45 <supermop> was suprised that it didn't go anywhere 20:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: i don't think fences are the right approach for your problem 20:53:10 <supermop> well, there is still the need to create the illusion of a trench in an essentially flat tile 20:54:04 <supermop> that or allow stations, signals, curves, et al, on bridges, and only allow monorail to be built as a bridge and never at grade 20:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> why? if your "rail" is only a few pixels high, no problems should be visible 20:54:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A428.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:45 <supermop> it needs to be deep too, 20:54:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> not really sure what you're trying to do 20:55:05 <Wolf01> 'nothing 20:55:26 <supermop> to keep the platform hight the same as a regular train, you need a lot of free space below grade, 20:55:58 <supermop> many monorail trains extend about as far below their floor as above 20:56:19 <__ln__> Wolf01: ' 20:56:25 <supermop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tama_monorail 20:57:00 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I remember that patch. I liked it :) 20:57:05 <andythenorth> but I don't have commit rights :P 20:57:23 <andythenorth> for reasons that elude me, but could probably be written into tablets of stone and left unchanged 20:57:40 <supermop> can take a little bit of artistic livery with that, but it would be silly if the lower portion was only as high as the bogies on a regular train 20:58:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... need inspiration for a riddle... 20:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> making a riddle, not solving 20:59:26 <supermop> ogfx/ttdgfx solve this with the fake trench 21:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i liked the TTO monorail without trench much better 21:01:57 <NGC3982> what on earth is wrong with people 21:02:11 <NGC3982> this KONY 2012 thing is exceeding the gettings of my nerve. 21:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a KONY 2012? 21:03:05 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: riddle me this: what do you call deer with no eyes? 21:03:37 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: a over hyped project on "helping uganda" is spreading like a fire trough social medias, and people giving money to "charity". 21:05:57 <supermop> i liked the tto monorail and bridge 21:06:34 <NGC3982> an* 21:10:01 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:11:28 <supermop> i feel like i've discussed monorails with you previously, eddi 21:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i discuss lots of thigns... 21:39:23 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:07 <NGC3982> hm, my server tells me i cant change wagon speed limits during network game 21:43:20 <NGC3982> do i need to save, change it in single player and then load? 21:43:24 <planetmaker> yup 21:43:29 <NGC3982> i see, thanks. 21:56:13 <Rhamphoryncus> Woo, such a clever feeder system I made.. that completely fails to keep up with even the current low load 21:57:53 <__ln__> http://xkcd.com/949/ so sad 22:00:48 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:08 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-27-54.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure that's a conspiracy of the contentmafia 22:15:52 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:15:52 <__ln__> but there are technical reasons, especially with the ever increasing use of NAT. 22:15:56 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:16:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:16:57 <frosch123> night 22:16:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009dd5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that's what THEY want you to believe 22:17:45 <Terkhen> good night 22:17:49 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: ipv6 is like 20 years old already 22:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also UPNP and stuff 22:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: btw that comic left out things like teamviewer :) 22:20:29 <__ln__> i think teamviewer transfers stuff through their servers, so it's not very practical with a lot of data. 22:34:33 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:35:30 * andythenorth wonders 22:35:50 <andythenorth> when doing for [pixels] in a PIL image 22:36:10 <andythenorth> then drawing in the image, whether the scan is restarted 22:36:31 * andythenorth hopes not 22:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in general, when iterating, modifying the underlying structure is a big no-no 22:39:02 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: can you paste an example? 22:39:17 <andythenorth> Rhamphoryncus: not trivially 22:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> so make a copy, and iterate over that 22:39:31 <andythenorth> I am considering that 22:39:36 <andythenorth> everything works currently 22:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the only solution, not much to consider... 22:40:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Ahh, that's what you mean. You're iterating over a PIL image while modifying it 22:40:15 <andythenorth> yes 22:40:20 <andythenorth> it works fine 22:40:24 <andythenorth> but it's rather slow 22:40:48 <Rhamphoryncus> I would expect that it's allowed in the same way lists are. Mildly discouraged, easy to screw up, but not inherently wrong 22:41:08 <Rhamphoryncus> Iterating pixels in python is going to be slow 22:41:12 <andythenorth> yup 22:41:30 <andythenorth> it's fine for one pass, it's when I stack passes (repeating the scan) that it slows 22:41:41 <andythenorth> I could scan once, then draw multiple passes 22:42:02 <andythenorth> certainly 'scan, then draw' seems safer than 'draw whilst scanning' 22:45:30 <andythenorth> hmm 22:45:45 <andythenorth> I'd need to be able to call rescan() or such on demand 22:45:51 <andythenorth> meh, optimisation :P 22:48:18 <Rhamphoryncus> Makes me wonder if your repeated scanning is making it quadratic 22:49:27 <andythenorth> could be 22:49:57 <Rhamphoryncus> to which the obvious but useless reply is: don't do that 22:51:23 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:51:59 <andythenorth> let's run some times... 22:52:58 <andythenorth> hmm 22:53:12 <andythenorth> drawing whilst scanning, or drawing post scan, times are same 22:55:29 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 23:01:33 <andythenorth> hmm 23:01:56 <andythenorth> simply cutting the number of times the image is scanned cuts render time 23:02:08 <andythenorth> as expected :P 23:05:45 <Mazur> Everyone underestimates the bandwidth of a truckload of tapes. 23:06:02 <andythenorth> on a higway 23:06:07 <andythenorth> at 65mph 23:06:21 <Mazur> Even on a backroad at 15 mph. 23:06:52 <Mazur> And I'm using "tapes" only as a tribute to hte original quote. 23:07:06 <Mazur> Make it USB sticks, for all I care. 23:07:12 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-009-231.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:08:10 <Mazur> And that is how the pioneers used to do it. 23:08:40 <andythenorth> hmm 23:08:51 * andythenorth is going to have fun times optimising :( 23:09:01 <Mazur> Good luck. 23:09:40 * andythenorth optimises for sleep 23:09:44 <andythenorth> good night 23:09:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: driving around a usb stick is my usual mode of transferring larger amounts of data 23:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause> takes half an hour to fill it, and another half hour to drive over to my friend, then fill it there for half an hour and drive half an hour back 23:13:04 <Eddi|zuHause> total transferred: tx: 8GB, rx: 8GB, in 2 hours. waaay faster than my DSL menthol... 23:13:52 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@178-33-38-239.ovh.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:08 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@178-33-38-239.ovh.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 23:18:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:25 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@214.Red-83-43-124.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:48 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:25:41 <Mazur> Eddi|zuHause, which is why I was quoting that old quote. 23:27:17 <Mazur> No idea who said it first, but a lot of people know it, apparently. 23:28:25 <Mazur> Oh, possibly Dennis Ritchie, I see in one place. 23:29:02 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 23:29:22 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:26 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [] 23:29:40 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 23:29:46 *** enr1x_ [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [] 23:30:29 <Mazur> http://www.bpfh.net/sysadmin/never-underestimate-bandwidth.html 23:30:34 * Mazur grins. 23:32:06 <Mazur> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. âTanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996) 23:32:12 <Mazur> Good old Andy. 23:34:04 <Mazur> The original version of this quotation came much earlier; the very first problem in Tanenbaum's 1981 textbook Computer Networks asks the student to calculate the throughput of a St. Bernard carrying floppy disks (which are said to hold 250 kilobytes of data). 23:46:04 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:58:37 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 23:59:01 *** bloopletech [~blooplete@1.158.71.144] has joined #openttd 23:59:20 <bloopletech> Is it ok to ask about installation questions here?