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[~daniel_er@cpe-67-250-2-219.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:03:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:03:42 <Terkhen> good morning 06:04:18 <andythenorth> hola 06:04:47 <andythenorth> is it done yet? 06:05:46 <andythenorth> :) 06:06:18 <Rubidium> your babies got into their next phase? 06:06:48 <Rubidium> the "is it done yet"/"are we there yet"-phase ;) 06:08:50 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 06:13:35 <andythenorth> they didn't do that yet ;) 06:14:11 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 06:27:13 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has joined #openttd 06:30:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:39:48 <KByte> does anyone know how to round a float to an integer in the NoAI interface? 06:40:27 *** xiong 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has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310011224]] 08:43:27 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:43:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:43:54 <andythenorth> Alberth: o/ 08:44:31 <Alberth> \o andy 08:48:27 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:52:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.13.90.38] has joined #openttd 08:53:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-58-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:53:45 <Wolf01> hello 08:56:21 <xiong> How do you like to depot? At stations or on the main? Interval, ordered, or forced? 08:56:34 <mrfrenzy> at main 08:56:42 <mrfrenzy> otherwise you will get trains going into the wrong stations 08:57:21 <xiong> I've seen the wrong-station thing. But if maintenance is ordered or forced frequently, it's not an issue. 08:58:20 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.1.5 1.2.0? 08:58:20 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.5 1.2.0? | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, ever | English only 08:58:27 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.1.5, 1.2.0? 08:58:27 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.5, 1.2.0? | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, ever | English only 08:58:37 <xiong> Also -- it seems -- a train must turn at a junction in order to hit a station not on its list. So depots available at jcts serve interval-depoted trains. 08:58:44 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-171-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:01 <xiong> I'm not pushing any scheme; I've tried several and all have pros and cons. 09:06:14 <Alberth> I have depots at every station, and every junction is connects every direction to every other direction. At long stretches, I also set up depots. No depot orders for the trains. 09:06:35 <Alberth> s/is// 09:06:48 <andythenorth> bbl 09:06:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:13:14 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (he forgot the "never service" option) 09:17:58 <xiong> I don't like to order depoting; no matter how badly a train needs service, it will never depot if it has an order on its list. 09:19:00 <xiong> I've tried a trick of placing a waypoint right in front of a depot and ordering via the wp. This has the benefits of ordered depoting without sacrificing the ability to depot at need. 09:19:59 <xiong> I'm torn over the question of depoting at a station. Trains tend to jam up; it seems the depot facility -- depot itself and its tracks -- might be better a little ways off. 09:24:38 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:23 <Nat_aS> i put several depots at stations, and just tell trains to maintain as needed at nearest station. 09:38:49 <Nat_aS> most of the time they just roll past it, and if they do need it, they can often use one without blocking trafic. 09:42:01 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:44:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:40 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:51 *** zhenya271201 [6d3ed7df@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:59:50 *** zhenya271201 [6d3ed7df@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:04:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-41-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:07:00 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:08:53 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:12:06 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:22:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:22 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 10:26:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:32:42 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:32:44 <drac_boy> hi 10:35:30 <Alberth> hi 10:35:31 <drac_boy> is there an action or var for disabling a particular vehicle id when another specific grf is detected? 10:35:38 <drac_boy> hi alberth how're you? 10:35:56 <Alberth> hungry, time for lunch :) 10:36:40 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: yes, skip the action 3 with an action 7/9 checking for the grf-id 10:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: (or more gracefully, set the climate availability to none) 10:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> of the "do not try this at home, kids" category: http://de.webfail.at/ffdt/was-ist-jailbreak-facebook-fail-des-tages-.html [german] 10:38:48 <CornishPasty> Eddi|zuHause: got a translation? :( 10:39:04 <drac_boy> alberth heh its not even breakfast here but :-p 10:39:47 <drac_boy> thanks eddi 10:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> CornishPasty: basically: "what is jailbreak" - "you pick a hammer and beat your iphone" - "hey i'll try that" -- "you idiot!!!" - "you didn't really do that, right?" :p 10:40:41 <drac_boy> heh 10:40:47 <MNIM> hahaha 10:40:55 <MNIM> that's about what I got from it, too. 10:41:05 <MNIM> ...which means my german isn't as rusty as I thought. 10:41:07 <MNIM> 0-o 10:45:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:48:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 10:48:57 *** zielak [~zielak@acok252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:49:20 *** zielak [~zielak@acok252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 10:49:32 *** zielak [~zielak@acok252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:51:07 <CornishPasty> Hahaha, nice Eddi|zuHause :P 10:51:17 *** cl8 [~cccc@host-92-3-248-196.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:53 <drac_boy> wonder what'll happen if you actually told someone to boot their computer 10:53:55 <drac_boy> :) 10:54:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:04 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:10:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:10:55 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-177-88.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:16:39 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-62-92.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:01 <Pulec> is 1.20 really out, or april? 11:21:53 <Sacro> it's not like OpenTTD to release on April Fool's Day 11:22:09 <Pulec> its rc-4 i see 11:24:08 <drac_boy> sacro yeah especially after someone put a joke in the repo :) 11:24:15 <Sacro> heh 11:24:25 <drac_boy> I noticed that from CIA yesterday night :) 11:31:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:53 <drac_boy> hmm one more boat id left, to find something for that or leave it empty...heh 11:35:25 * Alberth proposes wiebabiedoeda 11:35:41 <drac_boy> a what? 11:36:00 <Alberth> not a good boat id? 11:36:13 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-106-10-184.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:36:32 *** goodger [~ben@94.30.43.248] has joined #openttd 11:36:40 <Alberth> hi Pikka 11:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: you filled in all 64k boats? :) 11:44:05 <Pikka> hello 11:44:55 <drac_boy> eddi heh nope only id 204 to 213 ... 214 is still blank :) 11:45:00 <drac_boy> alberth :p 11:47:08 <drac_boy> hi pikka 11:48:18 <drac_boy> hm think I figured out the last one...a cruise ship 11:54:11 <Pikka> what are you making, drac_boy? 11:58:41 <drac_boy> its something I've been working with someone else for a while for hmm well to put it bluntly a simple yet generic 'complete set' grf. not sure if it'll be for all climates or not yet 11:58:55 <drac_boy> me draw a bit and make the tables, him draw some other things 12:05:39 <drac_boy> don't know how far it might progress but you never know anyway :) 12:12:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:12:47 <drac_boy> hi andythenorth :-) 12:13:25 <andythenorth> lo 12:13:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:14:54 <drac_boy> how're you? 12:23:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:12 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-9-33.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 12:28:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-177-88.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:36:05 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 12:40:05 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 12:46:00 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:09 <__ln__> http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/planning-a-trip-to-canada-or-the-caribbean-us-immigration-may-have-other-ideas-7584912.html 13:26:41 * andythenorth ponders 13:28:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:00 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-130-212.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:46:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:47:15 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-9-33.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:30 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-122-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:50:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:53:08 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 13:53:11 <drac_boy> hi 13:55:45 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-130-212.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:55 <drac_boy> finding details a little sketchy but I assume that industries only can have a maximum of 3 inputs and 2 outputs? 13:59:03 <Pikka> correct 13:59:17 <drac_boy> thanks as usual 14:06:38 <drac_boy> if I don't sound too silly for asking, how do you make it that an output can be affected by an input? (like say more steel if you deliever coal in additional to ore) 14:11:09 <Pikka> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action2/Industries 14:11:55 <drac_boy> hm thanks 14:18:01 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:18:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:33 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:51 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:27:56 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73E0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:32:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7300E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:42 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-150-85.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 14:40:59 *** brenhein [~brenhein@96-42-150-85.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has quit [] 14:41:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2047:4493:79c7:8653] has joined #openttd 14:41:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea why... but this timetable only works as long as i watch it. as soon as i take my eyes off the line, and come back later to revisit it, everything is out of sync and blocking each other 14:42:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and it can't recover from this state, unless i stop everything and start from scratch 14:43:33 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: schrodinger's timetable 14:43:47 <andythenorth> it becomes statistical if no-one is looking 14:43:54 <andythenorth> deterministic if watched 14:44:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B115.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a button: "skip one round trip" (instead of "reset delay") 14:52:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B115.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think one of the problems is the rounding... 1 day isn't fine-grained enough for this kind of micro-synchronization 14:56:22 <drac_boy> this reminds me of an article on the LIRR system in usa 14:57:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi: is that stock timetables? 14:57:27 <drac_boy> at one of the main station the schedules were timetabled so eg track 1 had access to transfer to track 3 through a train held on train 2 ... so if anything went out of sync it sure caused a lot of mayhem 14:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rhamphoryncus: yes, no timetable patch 14:58:32 <Rhamphoryncus> They use ticks internally 14:58:55 <Rhamphoryncus> When autofilling it rounds to a day, but after that it's all ticks 14:59:18 <Rhamphoryncus> Manual depot orders are one thing that corrupts them 15:01:36 <Rhamphoryncus> I don't remember if I found any other reasons 15:14:07 *** zielak [~zielak@acok252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: zielak] 15:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Rhamphoryncus: yes. and exactly the autofilling is the problem 15:18:20 <Rhamphoryncus> how so? 15:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Rhamphoryncus: it's not exact enough. 15:18:32 <Rhamphoryncus> It rounds up 15:18:41 <Rhamphoryncus> You just get some padding on the time 15:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and this means the actual arrival time varies up to one day 15:19:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is too much 15:19:29 <Rhamphoryncus> load times make more difference than that 15:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> load time is irrelevant, because the buffer times are high enough 15:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i need to synchronize the arrival time at the junction 15:20:14 <drac_boy> irrelevant? it can take 3+ days for certain trains to load 15:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. a waypoint) 15:20:21 <Rhamphoryncus> ahh 15:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: yes, and when i timetable 6 days wait times, the load time is irrelevant 15:20:50 <Rhamphoryncus> So it's the departure time you care about 15:20:54 <Eddi|zuHause> no 15:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the arrival time 15:21:13 <Rhamphoryncus> Departure controls arrival time. Arrival time is merely added to the load time 15:21:32 <Rhamphoryncus> There is *no* effort to alter speed to match the desired arrival time 15:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but i cannot measure the travel time exactly enough 15:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and once the variance is big enough so one train has to stop, it's over. the timetable will never recover from that 15:22:55 <Rhamphoryncus> Then you're SOL. Arrival time is useless. 15:32:07 <FlyingFoX> hi, i want to know a bit more how shared stations work. So if I got a bus stop outside the city (no houses in its range) and a Lorry Loading bay inside the city (houses in range) combined into one station, will this station provide passengers? 15:34:47 <Alberth> I think so, did you try it? 15:35:46 <Alberth> trying such things is usually quicker than asking 15:39:27 <Pinkbeast> Every tile of a station equally forms the cachement area 15:40:19 <drac_boy> the only one thing I hate about catchments at times is to do with industries that doesn't always accept on all given tiles 15:40:28 <drac_boy> oh well 15:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i manually tweaked some times, now it seems to be performing better 15:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> now... finally tweaking that cargo network 15:52:03 <drac_boy> buses....almost forgot about them -_- 15:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> they are quite important if you play with destinations :) 15:55:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B115.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:16 <drac_boy> heh well yeah I think I'll number six different generic ones at the moment..will look over it again later 15:56:17 <drac_boy> :) 16:00:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B115.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:05:04 <drac_boy> woud it be a good generic term or any better wording than 'highway bus' to differ it from larger buses for cities? 16:12:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:25 <drac_boy> nevermind, got to start lunch so I'm going 16:14:27 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 16:18:08 <Pikka> bitches don't know about my coach. 16:24:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:28:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i has new giant screenshot: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%2013.%20Apr%202027.png (12MB) 16:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (hm, maybe i posted that too early) 16:42:13 <Pikka> too early for what 16:42:54 <andythenorth> too early for tea 16:43:07 <Pikka> it's never too early for tea 16:43:15 <Pikka> except it is here because it's 3am and there's no milk 16:43:28 <andythenorth> black tea is acceptable 16:43:29 <Pikka> that's a lot of ships 16:43:34 <andythenorth> also...go to bed? 16:43:36 <Pikka> only so much though, andy 16:43:38 <Pikka> nah 16:43:51 <Pikka> I only got up at... 7 something? 16:44:07 <andythenorth> when I am awake at 3am, there's a baby-shaped reason 16:44:28 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: there are more hydrofoils in that one game than exist in the world :P 16:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's the only sane passenger ship :) 16:45:12 <andythenorth> I like the island airports 16:45:35 <andythenorth> bah 16:45:40 <Eddi|zuHause> aircraft are futile with yacd 16:45:45 <andythenorth> you're still using the version of FIRS that makes my eyes bleed 16:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't update firs midgame, in an ancient trunk/patch :) 16:46:15 <andythenorth> no 16:46:40 <andythenorth> you'd (probably) be safe updating FISH though 16:47:21 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway... need to improve my cargo network... especially the seaport is a bottleneck 16:47:29 *** cl8 [~cccc@host-92-3-248-196.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:42 <andythenorth> multi-stop docks :P 16:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i meant the rail part of the seaport :) 16:51:01 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should fill the air with zeppelins :) 16:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hauling cargo :) 16:51:26 <Pikka> mad if you don't 16:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> two zeppelins could possibly replace one train 16:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> carrying oil with a zeppelin feels like cheating 16:57:31 *** mkv` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:58:34 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: Nice screenshot. Now I only wish that my browser had more than 1:1 and scale to window size. :-) 16:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: tried ctrl+scroll wheel yet? :) 16:59:42 <Zuu> I tend to not use the scroll wheel as its only on the less confortable trackball. 17:01:18 <Zuu> Hmm, but my tablet got a scroll ring that is quite useless, but also ctrl++ and ctrl+- on that image didn't play out well. 17:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... bottleneck: only one loading spot on the oil rig :) 17:03:54 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:16 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:31 <Zuu> I like that you got differentiated track types with NuTracks and not just the best track all over. 17:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no use having high speed track on the cargo network :) 17:12:39 *** morph` [~morph`@78.84.121.50] has joined #openttd 17:15:02 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:25:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:27:05 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:29:34 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:33:27 *** mkv` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:31 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:23 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:09 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24085 /trunk/src/lang/ (hungarian.txt latvian.txt): 17:41:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:41:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by Brumi 17:41:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 15 changes by Parastais 17:46:02 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:43 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:44 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:52:20 <Rhamphoryncus> mmm invisible power booster abuse :D 17:52:21 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:17 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.129.99] has joined #openttd 17:58:21 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:18:31 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:22:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:27:18 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:37 <andythenorth> hmm 18:30:19 <andythenorth> appearance of FIRS quarry is unsatisfactory 18:30:30 <andythenorth> doesn't fit well with stations, even the CHIPS tile I made for it 18:31:19 <Pikka> where is firs quarry? 18:32:26 <Pikka> is that the that one? 18:32:32 * Pikka gets hat 18:32:36 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.129.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:40 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/schema/industries?economy=point_8_release#sand_pit 18:32:55 <Pikka> hmm 18:33:06 <Pikka> it's full of water, that's the problem! 18:33:14 <andythenorth> too lazy to draw rocks :P 18:33:34 <andythenorth> it's the left-edge with the processors that troubles me 18:33:37 <Pikka> don't they normally only fill up with water when they stop using them (and stop pumping the water out)? :) 18:33:52 <andythenorth> depends on the water table 18:33:55 <andythenorth> and stuff 18:34:11 <Pikka> well 18:34:21 <andythenorth> some gravel pits actually rely on the water being there and extract with floating grabs + barges 18:34:52 <Pikka> nice petrol station 18:35:03 <Pikka> can I steal it and smush it into one tile for a TaI house? 18:35:06 <andythenorth> yes 18:35:10 <andythenorth> it has snow and crap too 18:35:13 <andythenorth> want the psd? 18:35:47 <Pikka> certainment. or even just the tile sprites 18:36:19 <Pikka> lime kiln is fancy 18:36:28 <andythenorth> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/firs/raw-file/3c209564d26f/sprites/graphics/industries/petrolpump_snow.png 18:36:34 <andythenorth> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/firs/raw-file/3c209564d26f/sprites/graphics/industries/petrolpump.png 18:36:56 <Pikka> ta muchly 18:37:23 <Pikka> I suppose this means I have to do snow for everything. 18:38:23 <andythenorth> you could shirk it 18:38:30 <Pikka> I could! 18:44:54 <andythenorth> Pikka: psd if you want it: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/show/graphics_sources/petrol_pump 18:45:32 <andythenorth> loads of layers and crap 18:51:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:31 * andythenorth will redraw FIRS quarries 18:58:37 <andythenorth> with a muddy edge 18:58:46 <Pikka> how rare 18:58:57 * Pikka will try to work out level crossing sprites 19:00:33 <andythenorth> non-stop fun 19:02:42 <andythenorth> hmm 19:02:47 <andythenorth> too many UKRS grfs here 19:03:07 <Pikka> where? 19:03:29 <andythenorth> on my laptop 19:07:56 <andythenorth> Pikka: can I haz extra UKRS wagons? :) 19:08:04 <andythenorth> PCA, PGA, that scrap wagon thingy 19:08:09 <Pikka> yar 19:08:15 <Pikka> next time I update the addon grf? 19:08:29 <andythenorth> roger 19:08:49 <andythenorth> I think I ran out of interesting UK wagons after those ones 19:13:57 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-151.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:16:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:19 *** cl8 [~cccc@host-92-3-253-22.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:42 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has joined #openttd 19:19:34 <andythenorth> Pikka: it would be pretty easy to make the bogie twin-tank version of the PCA, but meh 19:19:34 <andythenorth> http://www.bandhmodels.com/myfiles/R6312.jpg 19:19:51 <Pikka> ya 19:20:01 <Pikka> would it though, keeping it to 8/8? 19:21:37 <andythenorth> maybe not 19:21:46 <andythenorth> file it under 'meh' 19:22:18 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:22:19 <drac_boy> hi 19:22:30 <Pikka> meh for mehbe not 19:22:32 <V453000> I dont think fitting that in 8/8 is viable 19:22:34 <Pikka> hello drac_boy 19:22:42 <Pikka> "coach" is the word you were looking for 19:22:45 <andythenorth> hmm, JGA 19:22:46 <andythenorth> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=JAA+bogie+hopper&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=f6t4T5a2IsH28QPhk4yvDQ&biw=1230&bih=668&sei=jKt4T4fAOtOo8AOzkoifDQ#um=1&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jat4T4OSCsWo8QOUxKGvDQ&ved=0CD8QBSgA&q=JGA+bogie+hopper&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=76152146d19ed87a&biw=1230&bih=668 19:23:04 <Pikka> nice boogie hooper 19:23:13 <Pikka> long slopes though 19:23:26 <Pikka> would have to be steeper in ottd 19:23:56 <andythenorth> if it seems like a good idea next time I think of it, I'll draw it :P 19:23:59 <drac_boy> pikka ah, ok thanks 19:25:15 <drac_boy> andythenorth for ukrs I'm guessing? 19:25:38 <andythenorth> yup 19:25:49 <Pikka> I should really include coaches in HQOUS 19:26:16 <drac_boy> HQOUS? 19:26:17 <Pikka> what was that one with two front axles? 19:26:29 <Pikka> my road vehicle set reborn, drac_boy 19:26:47 <Pikka> small teeny vehicles, my plan is to keep redrawing everything in UKRS smaller and smaller 19:26:53 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplan_Jumbocruiser 19:26:57 <Pikka> until eventually everything's one pixel. it'll make life much easier 19:27:00 <Pikka> no andy 19:27:03 <andythenorth> get it down to 1 pixel much easier 19:27:05 <drac_boy> andythenorth humm I've tried ukrs2 in multiplayer a few times..don't see anything wrong with it but I guess I could complain about the certain gaps in the depot buy list tho 19:27:23 <drac_boy> pikka one pixel? you're thinking atom-sized transportations :P 19:27:31 <andythenorth> drac_boy: please tell me, maybe I can fix it :) 19:27:33 <drac_boy> heh 19:28:02 <andythenorth> I don't want gaps in my set ;) 19:28:41 <Pikka> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_VAL , andy 19:29:14 <andythenorth> chinese six 19:29:20 <Pikka> apparently 19:29:27 <andythenorth> might have been in a certain film 19:29:28 <andythenorth> with doors 19:29:52 <Pikka> which were meant to be blown off with no further blowing off or up of any other things? 19:29:57 <andythenorth> that sort of thing 19:30:11 <andythenorth> hmm 19:30:23 <andythenorth> grf idea: film vehicles 19:30:31 <Pikka> sounds not very balanced 19:30:35 <drac_boy> andythenorth the only two things that I could recall right now would be the lack of livestock transport option (dbsetxl had no problem disguising it as a milk cargo instead even), and too many locomotives being expired well before the 2040s although I don't think that can be blamed on the grf owner 19:30:47 <Pikka> the buses that blow up if they go under 50mph might be difficult to code 19:30:56 <andythenorth> Pikka: same for cruise ships 19:31:09 <andythenorth> drac_boy: I'll fix it next time I release ukrs 2 ;) 19:31:33 <drac_boy> you usually only end up with eg EMD66, GE 91, and a few others in the late years which does not help much with slower freight routes 19:31:33 *** morph` [~morph`@78.84.121.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:46 <drac_boy> even the JB diesel disappears by then 19:31:59 <drac_boy> andythenorth allright then :) 19:32:10 <Pikka> how does the 66 not help much with slower freight routes? 19:32:28 <drac_boy> pikka because its a bit too big and expensive for just 100 tonnes of steel? 19:32:32 <andythenorth> drac_boy: it might be a long time before I next release ukrs 2 though :o 19:32:45 <drac_boy> andythenorth thats ok, its not my prefered grf so I don't care too much :) 19:32:56 <drac_boy> would help in multiplayer since they use ukrs a lot tho you know 19:32:59 <andythenorth> also Pikka is the author ;) 19:32:59 <Pikka> it's relatively cheap I thought. or you could electrify and use the tripworker :) 19:33:19 <drac_boy> andythenorth I know, its just that you asked me so I had to tell you :p 19:34:26 <drac_boy> I do wonder if BR actually had milk transport in the 21th century or not tho 19:34:39 <Pikka> milk? 19:34:44 <Pikka> or livestock? 19:34:56 <drac_boy> whichever one you want 19:35:27 <Pikka> I doubt they transport much milk by the tankload any more, raw milk is all road transported and processed it's all containerised. 19:35:37 <Pikka> -much +any 19:36:01 <Pikka> livestock all road transported since the 1960s 19:36:16 <andythenorth> truck set! 19:36:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:29 <Pikka> someone really should make one, andythenorth 19:36:40 <andythenorth> I'll poke a bit more later 19:36:50 <andythenorth> I need to figure out combining bodies and cabs 19:36:52 <drac_boy> hmm well I guess that might be a consideration for HQOUS then...so at least someone could start with mixed grain+livestock rail service to a farm in the 1900s but then by the 2000s they still can transport both..just grain by bulk rail and milk-aka-livestock by road 19:36:54 <andythenorth> drawing that is over-rated :P 19:37:11 <drac_boy> as it is right now you're totally stuck with absolutely no mean to expand your livestock transporting 19:37:29 <drac_boy> just a random thought :-) 19:37:38 <Pikka> you are, you can build trucks :) 19:37:44 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:38 <drac_boy> pikka problem is if you want ukrs2 scale then it'll have to be an eventual release of HQOUS 19:38:44 <drac_boy> I can't imagine 4LV ever fitting in 19:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is that there is no gameplay reason to switch to trucks 19:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> trucks are tedious to manage, because so many are needed 19:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can't guide them with signals 19:39:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and they are slower 19:39:47 <drac_boy> I never have a problem but then it might be because I use good ones? 19:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and in danger of being run over by trains 19:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and being blocked by competitors 19:42:51 <andythenorth> trams! 19:43:04 <Pikka> livestock trams? 19:43:22 * drac_boy sends some 48km/h trams loaded with 300 tonnes of coals each into andythenorth 19:43:24 <andythenorth> yar 19:43:25 <drac_boy> heh heh 19:44:47 <drac_boy> mind if I ask you several a bit about steam locomotives in general? 19:47:39 <drac_boy> pikka theres something else to think about in an if-it-ever-happened case...having a DB ICE3 in the ukrs2 addon considering that it'll probably actually run on the HS1/HS2 lines 19:47:58 <drac_boy> I know its a foreign train but then so is the eurostar too 19:48:18 <Pikka> and the eurostar isn't in UKRS2 either 19:51:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:59 <drac_boy> so anyhow as for my question .. I'm not trying to be too generic but this is what I was thinking of: 0-4-0 for light duty, 4-4-0 and 2-6-2T as medium, then 2-8-4 toward heavy. plus one small and one large garrats to add to the mix 19:52:28 <drac_boy> still looking at some more photos and so to think about it. don't want to count a hundred locomotives which isn't so easy to do heh 19:52:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24086 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#5131] (r23504): Cloning orders of aircraft with limited range failed. 19:54:39 <Pikka> for a "light duty" engine you'd want an 0-6-0T at least. 0-4-0 tender locomotives haven't been built since the mid 19th century, 0-4-0Ts are the tiniest possible shunting locomotives. 19:55:37 <Pikka> if you're looking at american style then even 0-6-0 is not common for a mainline locomotive, however light, it'd have to be a 2-6-0. 19:55:37 <drac_boy> I had been pondering about if a 0-6-0 should had been the smallest. guess you finally answered that. thanks 19:55:54 <drac_boy> yeah I've noticed that moguls were quite common 19:57:18 <frosch123> @calc sqrt(1474576) 19:57:18 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 1214.32120957 19:57:30 <Pikka> I knew that 19:58:32 <frosch123> Pikka: does the 5th anniversary edition of av8 already contain aircraft ranges? 19:58:34 <drac_boy> I know that garrats were more common in africa but I just had to add it for the sake of them being quite different. have the beyers-peacock K1 0-4-0+0-4-0 and a generic 2-6-2+2-6-2 19:58:55 <Pikka> v2.1 released the other day does, frosch 19:59:09 <frosch123> ok :) 19:59:14 <andythenorth> hmm 19:59:17 <andythenorth> 5% battery 19:59:26 <andythenorth> it always becomes a game of 'me versus time to find charger' 19:59:48 <drac_boy> andythenorth heh I never get to less than 20% without having the cord handy or at least planning to hibernate soon :-) 20:02:30 <drac_boy> so the other thing with steam, I'm not sure if I should offer 2-axle and/or bogie steam railmotors. or consider it a bit of a ridicilious idea and not add either 20:02:49 <drac_boy> considering that as far as I even know they always numbered very few anywhere (even for uk too) 20:03:17 <andythenorth> http://www.ixionmodels.com/No1%20for%20website.jpg 20:04:12 <drac_boy> heh andythenorth thats a funny timing. I have the Contentional Rail Modelling magazine that reviewed that model together with one photo of the real thing :-) 20:05:14 <drac_boy> so andythenorth what do you think? include a steam railmotor even although it'll be somewhat about the same as one light locomotive with a single carriage or two? 20:07:45 <andythenorth> what set is this? 20:09:11 <drac_boy> its kind of like a generic transport set grf, not really represent anything specific 20:09:39 <drac_boy> already got quite a few non-locomotive sprites drawn, just have to make a small webpage for it at some point 20:09:48 <andythenorth> for each vehicle, consider the gameplay benefit ahead of anything else ;) 20:09:54 <andythenorth> followed by 'is it cool?' 20:10:02 <andythenorth> only then 'realism' :P 20:10:44 <drac_boy> heh heh well there'll be plenty of choices in the buy list but at least not too many to scroll through at the same time :) 20:11:42 <drac_boy> as for gameplay yeah thats the easy part here :) 20:13:02 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-232-54.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:14 <drac_boy> andythenorth at least with diesel and electric its a bit easier..atm I have humm... 20:15:03 <drac_boy> 2-axle diesel-mechanical railbus, diesel-hydraulic railcar, electric railcar, articulated electric locomotive 20:15:24 <drac_boy> the last one is a generic example of anything from talgo to tgv trains I recoken 20:20:36 <drac_boy> andythenorth if you don't mind me asking you, do you think that using one single wagon id for most cargos seem like a bad idea or not so much? 20:20:57 <andythenorth> depends on what you want your set to be like 20:21:05 <andythenorth> what wagon is it? boxcar? 20:22:15 * andythenorth -> bed 20:22:27 <drac_boy> one generic wagon with several sprites...or a few different wagon for each different cargo classes 20:23:06 <drac_boy> have a good sleep andythenorth? :-) 20:23:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:29:02 * drac_boy pulls out a bunch of rows 20:33:13 <frosch123> night 20:33:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.13.90.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:33 <drac_boy> guess its night in uk already 20:43:58 <Rubidium> given 'night' is the time between sunset and sunrise, yes... it's already night there 20:46:12 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> people haven't lived by that definition ever since the introduction of electric light... 20:47:45 <Rubidium> but then... what is night? 20:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause> when the majority of people in a given region are asleep :) 20:49:27 <Rubidium> so the definition can jump by many hours depending on the day of the year? 20:53:16 *** Stimrol_ [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:57 <Rubidium> anyhow, with my definition parts of Canada starts with their night in roughly an hour, and in the winter it would already be night for almost 2.5 hours at that place 21:00:36 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:26 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 21:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> where's the problem with that? 21:03:45 <Eddi|zuHause> your definition of "night" definitely fails above the polar circle 21:04:13 <Rubidium> that's the beauty ;) 21:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's also varying by day of year 21:05:34 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:06 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:26 <Rubidium> moi moi 21:15:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AA83.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:29 *** goodger [~ben@94.30.43.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:53 *** kaenkky_ [~kaenkky_@GGZYYYKMMMCXCIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:59 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@GGZYYYKMMMCXCIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:55:06 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:55:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-58-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:56:33 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:03:24 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:19 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:09:03 <Terkhen> good night 22:10:11 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120328051619]] 22:13:54 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 22:20:10 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.129.99] has joined #openttd 22:20:52 *** sortkrudt_ [~sortkrudt@9.80-203-24.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:20:59 <sortkrudt_> wow. so many people just on tycoon. 22:21:01 <sortkrudt_> lols =) 22:21:04 *** sortkrudt_ is now known as sortkrudt 22:26:13 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:46 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:08 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:48:38 *** cl8 [~cccc@host-92-3-253-22.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:41 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:12 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:06 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-41-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:53 *** mkv` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:00:36 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 23:01:17 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08ed62.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:03:36 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:51 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:20 *** ottder [d92ac9bd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:15:11 *** ottder [d92ac9bd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:19:28 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 23:21:23 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 23:22:04 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:38 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:32:19 <drac_boy> supper done now....now what heh 23:37:17 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:43:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:44:45 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:51:02 *** Pearnamer [~Grim@76-205-173-217.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:45 *** Pearnamer [~Grim@76-205-173-217.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit []