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08:28:02 *** mrfrenzy [~mrfrenzy@abydos.syntaxis.se] has left #openttd [] 08:28:17 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has joined #openttd 08:28:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:52 <Ammler> are you 100% sure, language files are noarch? 08:32:48 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:54 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@d58-106-10-184.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:35:13 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has joined #openttd 08:35:34 <peter1138> what arch are you on? 08:35:59 <__ln__> peteris: stop annoying Peer 08:37:41 <peteris> __ln__, sorry, my router went berserk again, did a restet :( 08:37:53 <peteris> t.i. reset 08:38:19 <Pikka> admiralty, peter1138 08:41:24 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:00 <peter1138> quite so 08:42:19 <Ammler> peter1138: I never have this issue, just a user is complaining about it which I can't reproduce, so I wonder, how can I get him to provide more info 08:42:49 <peter1138> Ammler, if your user can't provide more info, most likely they're not going to be affected by arch issues 08:42:58 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.136.161] has joined #openttd 08:42:59 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:52 <Ammler> peter1138: well, his bugreport contains the debug output that language files fail (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=749128) 08:50:24 <peter1138> openttd-data? 08:50:54 <peter1138> ah cos you split it off cos it's noarch 08:53:43 <Ammler> yeah, I wonder, if that could be an issue, but then I wonder why I am not able to reproduce it on my 64 and 32bit boxes 08:56:20 <peter1138> only if there's somehow a version mismatch 08:58:01 <Ammler> is it possible to read the version from the lang file or how does openttd know, it is mismatch? 08:59:45 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:00:03 <peter1138> no idea 09:00:43 <Ammler> I splitted lang files to noarch packages since ever and never got issues with that 09:01:37 <Ammler> so I think it is something else, but the guy has an strange version anyway, maybe that resolves itself... 09:27:03 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-180-216.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:29:54 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178232177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:30:06 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:28 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-117-69.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310011224]] 10:01:53 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:20:26 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-ff11c100-110.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:23:32 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:24:04 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:59 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 10:26:31 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> err... today's xkcd is... buggy... 10:29:42 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:12 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:31:15 <drac_boy> hi 10:37:31 *** Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has joined #openttd 10:42:24 *** Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:42:46 *** Firartix [~artixds@147.215.81.100] has joined #openttd 10:47:31 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:07 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:05 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:25 *** Firartix [~artixds@147.215.81.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:32 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you know what i hate? that usb plugs are asymmetric 11:27:43 <drac_boy> eddi well the bottom two pins are not same as the upper two pins so you can't just simply want to flip the cable connector :p 11:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it _could_ be designed to allow that (i.e. make 8 pins, the upper 4 in reverse of the lower 4. that makes it agnostic to rotation) 11:32:31 <drac_boy> that would result in a wide thin connector which isn't what I think you want to use..it'll probably snap more easily with the repeative uses 11:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you can make them in two layers, doesn't have to be in one row. 11:33:53 <drac_boy> thats then going into reducency cost overrun and eventually someone would stop producing the 5th through 8th pin just because its still the same function 11:36:02 <Elukka> http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m10225/948281258.jpg 11:40:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@host81-141-101-75.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 11:46:02 <drac_boy> just wondering but I assume that any town building id can be used in any climate meaning its possible to have 40+ different buildings in one climate if you had wanted to do that? 11:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: that's basically exactly what happens every time :) 11:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: you can have 256 ids in every climate 11:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you are _not_ restricted to the original IDs, nor to the original climate availability 11:54:21 <drac_boy> ah heh ok thats a lot of building variety 11:54:32 <drac_boy> thanks, wasn't sure since the wiki didn't quite say much 11:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> technically you can have 512 buildings, but you need two separate grfs then 11:56:38 <drac_boy> so how does the id work for more than 100 buildings? 11:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> IDs are hexadecimal 11:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 00 to FF 12:00:01 <drac_boy> so it'll go up to 9Fh then after that its AAh? 12:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> just use the escapes for decimal numbers, if you don't understand what hexadecimal is :) 12:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (or if you use NML, just write the decimal number) 12:01:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7994:f229:d6f6:9a8a] has joined #openttd 12:01:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:03:19 <drac_boy> heh no nml for me, thanks still :P 12:04:37 <drac_boy> btw I hadn't known that the house ids went from numeric to alphabet for the first digit at first, now I do I guess :) 12:14:18 <peter1138> new word for hexadecimal: "numeric to alphabet" 12:18:08 <drac_boy> yeah yeah 12:23:16 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@GGZYYYKMMMCXCIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:17 <drac_boy> anyway need to do a few other things this morning but humm I'll see if I have any other little newgrf questions when I'm back or not :-) 12:25:34 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 12:28:04 <peter1138> hmm, so why is opengfx broken, or is it intentional? 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16:45:27 <CornishPasty> What's that? 16:45:37 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=59357 16:47:58 <SpComb> should market for more technical users who can contribute :) 16:48:37 <andythenorth> by increasing the total userbase, that would probably happen as some % of new users will be technical 16:48:46 <andythenorth> but meh 16:49:01 * andythenorth wonders why 'popularity' is automatically assumed to be desirable 16:50:54 <Rubidium> too bad you'll first have to educate people, and I reckon there'll be a massive flood of the same question asked over and over again 16:52:34 <andythenorth> so you won't be buying google ads with your overflowing bank balance? 16:53:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4e48.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:18 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.136.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:19 <appe> < andythenorth> so apparently we need marketing? 16:55:23 <appe> as in, openttd? 16:55:41 <andythenorth> yup 16:56:12 <Terkhen> yeah, paying adds, facebook pages and so on 16:56:32 <Terkhen> as if we got paid for download or something 16:56:43 <Rubidium> and then trying to claim that paying for ads pays itself by increased ad revenue 16:56:51 <Rubidium> like the ad revenue is that good 16:56:53 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.136.161] has joined #openttd 16:56:54 <appe> what does your licence limit you to? 16:57:03 <andythenorth> arbitrage doesn't work very reliably 16:57:08 <appe> when it comes to hiring commercial biz for the sake of marketing. 16:57:09 <andythenorth> you can make revenue from good content 16:57:26 <andythenorth> but the arbitrage model is very slim, and easily broken by market conditions 16:57:42 <SpComb> appe: license? 16:57:45 <SpComb> for the code? 16:58:01 <andythenorth> also, what would you do with the income? Other than pay more bandwidth (actually I think that was his suggestion) 16:58:02 <SpComb> only thing that might apply would be any trademarks 16:58:25 <andythenorth> once you start making money, any legal dispute with Atari does get more interesting for them to pursue 16:58:31 <andythenorth> whereas currently...not 16:58:33 <SpComb> +that 16:58:53 <andythenorth> but I think the goal of marketing was explained as 'more fanbase' 16:59:04 <appe> what andythenorth said. 16:59:05 <appe> :) 16:59:09 <appe> well 16:59:12 <andythenorth> as though that is intinsically good 16:59:19 <andythenorth> +r 17:01:11 <andythenorth> brb 17:04:26 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082693.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:11 <oskari89> Time to draw some level crossing related stuff :) 17:08:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:09:31 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 17:09:42 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 17:10:43 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has quit [] 17:10:54 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 17:12:30 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:20 <andythenorth> how rare: a suggestion that seems good :) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=59354 17:13:35 <andythenorth> I think 'refurb / upgrade' might be a valid feature 17:13:46 <andythenorth> and could probably be handled by newgrf 17:14:00 <andythenorth> it 'just' needs a more structured way than currently available 17:17:44 <andythenorth> like an incremental variable on the vehicle for 'model variation' or such 17:20:11 <andythenorth> and then use cb36 to set props 17:20:22 <andythenorth> and the game or the newgrf can increment the var 17:20:32 <andythenorth> or the game asks the newgrf if it can increment the var.... 17:21:00 <andythenorth> it would be better than the NARS / HEQS current kludge with upgrading model stats 17:21:25 <andythenorth> ho 17:21:40 * andythenorth would instantly abuse it by packing bits somehow so that it could also handle liveries :P 17:23:01 * frosch123 is amused about the discussion why there are no google ads on the ottd page :p 17:23:59 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:06 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-241-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:14 <Matulla> Hi ,Question howto get a train waiting for at least 2 days for lading ,espacaly if there is no load in the station 17:33:36 <Matulla> is there a tutorial or howto around for this 17:34:22 <FLHerne> Timetables should do that 17:34:25 <Rhamphoryncus> andythenorth: we need a way to refit to newer models anyway 17:34:48 <Matulla> i do a waystation after the train and direct it back if there is no load persent 17:34:57 <andythenorth> there is a way to refit to newer models 17:35:22 <andythenorth> but it plays badly with newgrfs where model stats change :) 17:35:23 <FLHerne> http://wiki.openttd.org/Timetables 17:35:44 <FLHerne> Nuisance to set up, but allow you to set station dwell time 17:35:46 <Rhamphoryncus> That's what I mean 17:36:10 <Matulla> FLHerne: thanks 17:37:17 <andythenorth> if newgrfs had a method to indicate available model upgrades that would work better 17:37:27 <andythenorth> they could also specify a cost for upgrade / refurb 17:37:28 <Rhamphoryncus> Why again don't they just have 3 different engines? 17:37:35 <andythenorth> buy menu spam 17:38:09 <andythenorth> HEQS could have 5 different models of mog 17:38:12 <andythenorth> but it's tiresome 17:38:34 <andythenorth> they're not significantly different enough to warrant a separate model 17:38:50 <Rhamphoryncus> So.. fix the buy menu. And make sure the newgrf can override upgrade costs so it can do cheaper refits/refurbs 17:39:23 <andythenorth> so 'auto-replace' becomes 'refurb' ? 17:39:30 <andythenorth> auto-renew / replace /s 17:39:56 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:23 <Rhamphoryncus> Replace to a different engine, refit to a different model of the same engine, refurb to the same model 17:41:28 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-241-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 17:41:57 <andythenorth> refurb just resets reliability? 17:42:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24087 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt french.txt korean.txt latvian.txt): 17:42:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:42:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 changes by Parody 17:42:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 4 changes by OliTTD 17:42:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by telk5093 17:42:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 30 changes by Parastais 17:42:07 <andythenorth> or changes other stats? 17:42:41 <Rhamphoryncus> Reliability. Is there another stat that should be reset? 17:42:57 <andythenorth> I'd have to read code about how reliability actually works :P 17:42:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-58-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:43:05 <Rhamphoryncus> badly :) 17:43:08 <Wolf01> evenink 17:43:20 <andythenorth> something like NARS adjusts costs according to class age iirc 17:43:22 <Rhamphoryncus> Oh, running cost too, if the newgrf is playing with that 17:43:46 <andythenorth> but to handle that, a method is then needed between newgrf and game.... 17:44:00 <andythenorth> i.e. a refurb counter or such 17:44:40 <andythenorth> I guess it's a subset of general storage I'd like to see for 'variations' on vehicles 17:44:53 <Rhamphoryncus> IMO, the class age costs should be a small increase. Larger increase should be time since last refurbishment 17:45:16 <andythenorth> that's fine, but the newgrf spec has no opinion 17:45:29 <andythenorth> therefore you have no way to influence that other than social pressure ;) 17:47:58 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:47:59 <Rhamphoryncus> Just par for me ;) 17:47:59 <andythenorth> if a more general storage was available, we could stop abusing cargo subtypes 17:48:08 <andythenorth> which happens currently, and is a mess 17:48:19 <andythenorth> although 17:48:23 <andythenorth> hmm, tidy minds are bad 17:54:52 <Rhamphoryncus> There we go, flipped my charts and got the proper labels on it. Now I've figured out what I want to do with cargo payments 17:56:11 <Rhamphoryncus> Each cargo type has a speed threshold that goes up with distance. For oil or coal it's pretty flat; they don't care about speed. For passengers it's steep, but with a couple plateaus to allow buses for short trips 17:56:42 <Rhamphoryncus> The speed threshold is the point of decreasing returns on payment, where farther gets you less and less benefit 17:56:44 <andythenorth> you doing it with newgrf? 17:56:52 <Rhamphoryncus> That's my plan 17:57:06 <andythenorth> had a look at FIRS payment curves? 17:57:16 <Rhamphoryncus> ... I didn't know FIRS had payment curves ;) 17:57:35 <andythenorth> it does, the originals are unworkable except for a certain subset of play styles 17:57:47 <andythenorth> basically I don't want to ship coal by maglev 17:58:08 <Rhamphoryncus> So.. 90% of my recent gameplay hasn't worked the way I thought it did 17:58:13 <andythenorth> nor should ships be penalised over long distances 17:58:17 <andythenorth> for bulk cargos 17:58:32 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 18:00:07 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:17 <Rhamphoryncus> Hmm. So the in-game cargo payment screen is broken with FIRS :) 18:00:46 <andythenorth> ? 18:00:51 <andythenorth> other than 'too many cargos', how? 18:01:04 <Rhamphoryncus> The information it's giving me is irrelevant 18:01:23 <Rhamphoryncus> As it's just the standard algorithm 18:02:01 <andythenorth> there are a number of curve adjustment parameters we use 18:02:09 <andythenorth> but only those exposed to newgrf, nothing other than that 18:02:21 * Rhamphoryncus nods 18:02:28 <Rhamphoryncus> I'll definitely have to look 18:08:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:11:14 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 18:13:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:36 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 18:48:16 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.89.212] has joined #openttd 18:50:19 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176111076.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 18:50:20 <drac_boy> hi 18:50:38 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:35 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.136.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:24 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:08 <drac_boy> so which var or so would it had been to be able to change sprite&length for a vehicle in the depot refit window? 19:04:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:09:54 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:07 * drac_boy wonders who xiong could be 19:12:31 <xiong> drac_boy, I am Xiong. 19:14:21 <drac_boy> I mean why the frequent coming&going :p 19:18:04 <xiong> When I returned my own people laughed at me, calling me He Who Speaks Loud Saying Nothing. 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Now, I am Nobody. 20:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> poor he-who-speaks-loudly-not-listening-to-me :/ 20:31:25 <xiong> drac_boy, I am an ATT customer on his last day. I am going to try Comcast, whose lineman is arriving... shortly. 20:31:53 <drac_boy> eddi yeah I can't seem to make much sense of him 20:32:00 <drac_boy> wonder why I ever asked in first place heh 20:32:11 <xiong> drac_boy, What is difficult? 20:32:13 <appe_> hey, what happend. 20:32:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-77-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:32:53 <xiong> ATT connectivity stinks. It stunk before and has gotten much worse recently. Therefore you see me coming and going. 20:32:58 <Rhamphoryncus> Ugh, that was annoying. nmlc choked because I tried making a symlink to it.. but the error it gave mentioned the file I edited, and the specific line I edited 20:33:05 <Rhamphoryncus> Which was a complete coincidence 20:33:42 <xiong> What's difficult is figuring out a rational statement of who I am, beyond my name. Who can answer this? 20:33:50 * xiong 51 M San Francisco CA former hardware engineer, proud autistic; Perl, history, railroad models, recreational geometry; Be active: http://xuefang.com/waiban/ 20:34:01 <xiong> Hm, that's obsolete. 20:34:14 * appe_ read obese 20:34:39 * xiong 52 M San Francisco CA former hardware engineer, proud autistic; Perl, history, railroad models, recreational geometry; Be active: http://xuefang.com/waiban/ 20:34:42 <frosch123> what.... simutrans has a osx developer :o 20:34:46 <xiong> appe_, That too. 20:36:17 <drac_boy> hi frosch123 20:36:48 <xiong> Ha ha. My new Netgear cable modem came with the complete printed text of GPL v2 *and* v3. Perhaps I'm allowed to choose. 20:36:51 <frosch123> hiho 20:37:16 <drac_boy> how're you frosch123? 20:37:36 <frosch123> pondering going to bed :p 20:37:40 <drac_boy> heh 20:38:00 <drac_boy> I'm just drawing a bit and still trying to figure out patch vars .. well .. aside to being on irc a bit :p 20:38:11 <drac_boy> at some point I guess I'll start supper 20:38:50 * xiong wonders, who is drac_boy? 20:40:27 <xiong> ... and, Have you any tobacco? 20:45:21 <drac_boy> frosch123 don't know if you wanted to answer this before bed or not but - can you set different sprite lengths for vehicle refits? 20:46:11 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-059-229.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:44 <frosch123> you can change the length of vehicles with refitting 20:46:59 <frosch123> heqs does that to simulate more or less vehicles 20:47:27 <drac_boy> well I guess the problem is I can't quite figure out which vars thats supposed to be? :) 20:47:45 <frosch123> nml or nfo? 20:48:45 <drac_boy> ah sorry should had mentioned that, nfo :) 20:49:22 <frosch123> then it's callback 11 for grf version <= 7, resp. callback 36 for grf version >= 8 20:49:56 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-099.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:58 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 20:50:03 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:26 <drac_boy> oh, thanks frosch123. have a good sleep hopefully :) 20:50:39 <frosch123> now i scared you off, right? :p 20:50:58 <drac_boy> nope? :) 20:51:00 <drac_boy> heh 20:52:58 <drac_boy> one of the few reasons I asked about that was to save some vehicle ids in the list if I can just lump cabover and conventional tractors together considering both share the same engine and number of axle 20:53:11 <drac_boy> seem like a waste of slots in the list otherwise 20:54:41 <frosch123> sounds like a livery refit 20:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <drac_boy> eddi yeah I can't seem to make much sense of him <-- i meant he has me on his ignore list 20:56:58 <drac_boy> frosch123 mm well the sprites are a bit different length as well 20:57:10 <drac_boy> anyway back to some more drawing for me ;) 20:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: the question you should be askong when deciding whether to use livery refit or separate vehicles is: "what's the gameplay difference between both, and would a player ever want to autoreplace one to the other?" 20:58:25 <frosch123> simutrans always feels weird to me... all graphic "paks" they have are always complete basesets 20:58:34 <frosch123> there seems to be no way to combine stuff 20:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: make a combined pak :p 20:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> my simutrans version is from 2002-ish 20:59:50 <frosch123> at some point i had a hellish slow simutrans which tried to simulate pedestrians 21:00:06 <frosch123> i did not manage to turn that crap off 21:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe :) 21:00:20 <frosch123> so i do not know whether it would have run faster 21:00:35 <drac_boy> eddi heh well I don't think there would be any reason to offer autoreplace on them btw. but it'll be seperate id for the smaller 2-axle verus larger 3-axle ones on other hand 21:00:58 <frosch123> but they seem to have diagonal roads 21:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: if there's absolutely no difference (power, speed, etc.) then you might consider leaving one out 21:01:48 <frosch123> oh, good that we never added highway graphics to ottd 21:02:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: there's the dutch road furniture grf 21:02:18 * Belugas closes the books and heads to home, where some manual work awaits him. again. night all 21:02:26 <drac_boy> eddi well its an aethistic matter so I'll rather put both in. someone might want the cabover look while another player wants conventional nose instead 21:02:26 <frosch123> vehicles stopping on the highway just because the vehicle in front is driving slightly slower looks funny 21:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause> highways are in dire need of smoother curves 21:04:56 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-ff11c100-110.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:04 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@free.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 21:06:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:36 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d082693.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:40 <drac_boy> hm pastebin.ca seem to be down -_- 21:11:12 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 21:11:18 <frosch123> night 21:11:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4e48.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:26 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 21:12:16 <drac_boy> eddi would you mind pm for a moment? 21:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what for? 21:13:01 <drac_boy> well paste is down...and I dunno about spamming a little bit in here. but if you're not interested re trucks thats ok anyway 21:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> use paste.openttdcoop.org? 21:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there are like a dozen paste sites 21:23:12 *** goodger [~ben@94.30.43.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:12 <drac_boy> sorry, had a phone call. heres one example of what I was thinking about. its still open to debate yet of course. the multiplier is just roughly by about how much more cargo it can take http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1279/ 21:25:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120328051619]] 21:26:07 <drac_boy> thats what the refit list would had looked like 21:38:51 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:49 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:03:56 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:06:46 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.100.24] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:07:50 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178233083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:08:45 *** xiong [~xiong@c-67-164-39-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:06 <drac_boy> sure is quite a lot of smoke from the pot -_- 22:10:11 <drac_boy> at least supper's almost done 22:12:10 <Terkhen> good night 22:12:32 <drac_boy> bye Terkhen 22:18:42 *** perk111 [~perk11@46.242.11.118] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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