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00:01:52 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-96-118.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:58 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d086674.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 00:33:19 *** Kylie [~Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:24 <Kylie> hey 00:37:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-83-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:29 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has joined #openttd 01:24:03 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-001-214.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:27:58 *** Hazzard [~72f664dc@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:32 <nicfer> I suppose everyone is aware about the glitch that prevents to save using the 'Enter' key after selecting a savegame to overwrite 01:47:47 *** Hazzard_AFK [~72f664dc@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 01:59:51 *** zzach [~zzach@dslb-178-001-144-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:02:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7998:3365:5f3a:5612] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:04:33 *** zzach1 [~zzach@dslb-178-001-145-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> never suppose anyone is aware about anything. always make a report. 02:42:06 *** Hazzard_AFK [~72f664dc@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:24:58 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 03:36:43 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has joined #openttd 03:47:03 *** nicfer1 [~Administr@190.50.50.70] has joined #openttd 03:51:32 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:43 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.69] has joined #openttd 03:52:05 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.12.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:56:26 *** nicfer1 [~Administr@190.50.50.70] has left #openttd [] 03:58:26 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-181.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 03:58:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.69] has joined #openttd 04:06:35 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:22 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has joined #openttd 04:27:13 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:52 *** Hazzard [~7c418246@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:45:35 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 04:48:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4C39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:49:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67B5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:06:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D7C4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:01 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:50 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has joined #openttd 05:30:30 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-181.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 05:30:47 *** Hazzard [~7c418246@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:50:46 *** xiong [~xiong@c-67-164-36-201.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:51:48 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:53:37 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:54:08 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has joined #openttd 06:04:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:05:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:16:15 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:16:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:21:35 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-88-121.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:21:46 <Pikka> Yep 06:22:28 <Alberth> moin 06:23:26 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 06:26:21 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.69] has joined #openttd 06:26:21 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.69] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:24 <Pikka> hello Alberth 06:30:29 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:39:00 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 06:39:27 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 06:49:29 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:11 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:23 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 07:08:09 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:20:51 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:23 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 07:31:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:34:08 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 07:42:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A206.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-123-197.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:45:06 <Terkhen> good morning 07:46:11 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 07:50:45 <Alberth> moin 08:06:52 <Zuu> good morning 08:09:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:17:42 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 08:20:09 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d8228d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:39 *** Hazzard [~7b7810fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 08:28:30 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 08:40:44 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 08:43:01 <Elukka> http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ 08:43:06 <Elukka> first commercial launch to the ISS in 5 minutes 08:43:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:44:00 <Hazzard> Cool 08:44:45 <planetmaker> oh, thx. I nearly forgot, Elukka :-) 08:45:24 <planetmaker> moin everyone 08:46:22 <Hazzard> moin? 08:48:03 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moin 08:48:50 <SpComb> aww 08:48:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 08:49:00 <planetmaker> eh. 08:49:12 <Hazzard> ... 08:49:34 <Elukka> welp 08:49:38 <Elukka> better it aborts there than in the air 08:49:44 <planetmaker> quite so 08:50:05 <Elukka> i'm interested to know what happened though 08:50:12 <Elukka> it aborted after ignition 08:50:19 <planetmaker> they said that flight computers did not start up 08:52:38 <Elukka> instantaneous launch window, can't try again today 08:53:58 <Alberth> someone's day is very much ruined :p 08:54:05 <planetmaker> sure not. They had a partial ignition. You want every system on 100% capacity before start ;-) 08:54:11 <planetmaker> haha, Alberth, I guess you're right 08:54:43 <planetmaker> though... on the last sounding rocket campaign everything worked... until the parachute was supposed to open... 08:54:58 <planetmaker> we only got back a pile of scattered experiment remains 08:55:07 <planetmaker> luckily the flash card survived the 80km drop 08:55:14 <planetmaker> with all the data 08:55:40 <Alberth> ah you got all the important bits :) 08:56:01 <planetmaker> yup. But the dreams to re-fly it were literally shattered :-P 08:56:06 <Alberth> :) 08:59:08 <__ln__> "one-second window" 08:59:42 <Hazzard> You always want to know what went wrong the first time 09:01:21 <planetmaker> in any case, I guess our experiment ride on the dragon space craft will be delayed, too :-P 09:03:02 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:03:50 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:58 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:19:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:19:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:27:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:27:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:58 *** Jonnty [~ashfasdf@02debb46.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:21:45 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-047-002.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:27:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:12:20 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-24-96.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:16:06 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-123-197.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 11:39:35 <Wolf01> hello 11:44:04 <FLHerne> hello 11:44:38 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-106-53.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:50:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-32-245.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:59 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:56:00 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 12:02:55 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:48 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:12:05 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:23 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:20:30 <NGC3982> morning 12:28:48 <Arafangion> Evening. 12:35:50 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-047-002.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 12:36:43 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 12:46:37 *** Coke [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:47:13 *** Coke [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #openttd [] 12:58:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:14:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D7C4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:27 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:33 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:20:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:21:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A206.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:24:47 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:50 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:02 *** spongie [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:28:30 <spongie> Is it possible to change the displayed text of a button to some dynamic string, like displaying a specific integer etc? 13:29:00 <planetmaker> in what context? 13:30:19 <spongie> I have a button that opens a string query, I'd like the text displayed to be an integer value. 13:30:34 <spongie> im guessing one has to define parameters to replace the {*} things in the strings 13:31:02 <planetmaker> patch / AI / GS / Newgrf? 13:32:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:32:48 <spongie> patch 13:34:01 <planetmaker> yes, you define a string with parameter. where the number is the parameter 13:34:26 <planetmaker> "Clone {COMMA} cars at once" 13:34:50 <planetmaker> actually... "Clone {COMMA} car {P 0 "" s} at once" 13:39:46 <spongie> How come the caption of my query string window does not recognize {WAYPOINT} ? 13:42:16 *** Hazzard [~7b7810fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:46:05 <spongie> how do I set the value of what is inside {COMMA} {NUM} or whatever 13:48:16 <Alberth> with SetDParam 13:49:01 <Alberth> there are examples all over the place in the code 13:50:49 <spongie> yeah 13:50:52 <spongie> I see them. 13:52:05 <spongie> however, the {*} contains a name and the D params seem to be index based. 13:52:17 * Alberth nods 13:52:24 <spongie> If I have "{A} and {B}" that means I set parameters 0 and 1 ? 13:52:35 <Alberth> names are useless with {STRING}{STRING} 13:53:13 <Alberth> tias :) 13:54:27 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:54:27 *** guru3 [~guru3@2-248-109-4-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-12-38.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:55:40 <spongie> I have two problems setting my value. 1) ShowQueryString seems to be a singleton window, is it possible to make it unique per parent only? and 2) ShowQueryString has two string parameters, I can currently only set the parameter for the first (the preset value in the input), how do I set the caption string parameter? 13:56:00 <spongie> (i.e the input window title parameter) 13:56:42 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-88-121.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:23 <Alberth> no idea, I have not seen that code for several years 13:58:06 <Alberth> I would not be surprised if it is not possible currently 13:58:43 <Alberth> does the program have a string query window with variable caption somewhere, currently? 13:59:28 <spongie> Could be. 13:59:37 <spongie> How would you recommend I make an integer input for my window? 14:00:02 <Alberth> what's wrong with the current query window? 14:00:22 <spongie> the two problems I described above 14:02:35 <Alberth> I don't understand 1, and why is a fixed "Input value" kind of caption not good enough, given that you have one such window, so no way to get confused, I think 14:03:09 <Alberth> but if you think it should be done in a different way, extend the code :) 14:04:05 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 14:04:06 <spongie> Alberth: one is not about the caption 14:04:13 <spongie> one is about it being a singleton 14:04:22 <Alberth> yes, why is that bad? 14:04:54 <Alberth> having 5 windows with just a edit box to enter a number is not useful imho, as I can type in one at a time only 14:05:15 <spongie> So the last one is always for the last activated? 14:05:32 <Alberth> ? 14:05:48 <Alberth> what do you input? 14:06:46 <Alberth> why is a double click to edit a number not a good solution 14:07:16 <spongie> i dont know what you mean, double click 14:07:24 <spongie> currently when you click a button in my ui the input appears 14:07:51 <Alberth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-click 14:08:31 <Alberth> so I type a number, press enter, done. What's the problem? 14:08:57 <planetmaker> I've the strong feeling that this discussion is way too abstract and would simplify tremendously if we talked a concrete use case and existing patch 14:09:37 <Alberth> I agree, concrete cases always work best :) 14:10:32 <spongie> Alberth: if one presses the button, the input appears. if one then presses the same button but in another window, the input is a singleton 14:10:42 <spongie> but yes, I can see the point of not allowing multiple inputs 14:10:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.182.151] has joined #openttd 14:12:43 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-65-153-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D7C4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:33 <spongie> im almost ready to showcase the patch, what would be the best way? forum post? 14:37:01 <planetmaker> yes 14:51:13 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:52:13 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:31 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has joined #openttd 14:54:38 *** Wing_ [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:50 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:14 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:49 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has joined #openttd 15:31:36 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-126-158.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:37:23 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:02 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:20 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 15:45:34 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:34 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.89.43] has joined #openttd 15:49:19 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 16:05:39 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-047-002.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:00 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.89.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:35:14 <spongie> yay, my shit works. 16:40:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec8a:66eb:da65:54fd] has joined #openttd 16:40:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:41:17 *** Chruker [~no@5634a56d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:41:25 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 16:44:27 *** spongie [~peter@h-11-201.a254.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:44:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:52:21 * andythenorth has recently sent something into space 16:52:26 <andythenorth> more on that another time :P 16:53:01 <Alberth> o/ 16:54:24 <NGC3982> :O 16:54:33 <NGC3982> andythenorth: what was it? 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19:49:42 <OpenTTDfan> hi 19:49:50 <Alberth> not today it seems 19:50:25 <OpenTTDfan> you just a regular player? 19:50:46 <Alberth> I hardly play, unless you mean in the source code :) 19:50:55 <OpenTTDfan> oh goodie 19:51:01 <OpenTTDfan> so you're a developer? 19:51:10 <Alberth> one of them :) 19:51:27 <OpenTTDfan> are you open to ideas?:) 19:51:34 <OpenTTDfan> new ones 19:52:11 <Alberth> ideas are the easy part 19:52:40 <OpenTTDfan> I'm loving the open ttd....I'm opening it every morning, before the browser :P 19:52:40 <Alberth> getting them working in all edge cases and thinking them through is the real challenge 19:53:09 <Alberth> as you can see in the suggestions forum, there are many people doing suggestions 19:53:11 <OpenTTDfan> i feel ya 19:53:19 <OpenTTDfan> indeed 19:53:35 <OpenTTDfan> studied that 19:53:43 <OpenTTDfan> in a reasonable matter 19:53:46 <Alberth> not to mention people spamming our tracker with geature requests :) 19:53:59 <Alberth> *feature even 19:54:07 <OpenTTDfan> oh i see 19:55:01 <OpenTTDfan> so my idea of making a taxi car service in the game its far fetched? 19:55:23 <OpenTTDfan> :) 19:55:32 <planetmaker> get the towncars grf and use it 19:55:35 <Alberth> well, it's a new one, I'll give you that :) 19:55:54 <planetmaker> capacity typically 1 passenger or so ;-) 19:56:00 <NGC3982> http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525971_453460004683458_205344452828349_100692956_299296988_n.jpg 19:56:15 <Alberth> you could make 'buses' in the shape of a taxi 19:56:19 <planetmaker> you even have an AI which will spam towns with those vehicles, if you like. TowncarsAI 19:56:22 <planetmaker> or similar 19:56:24 <OpenTTDfan> hmmm so it actually exists? gotta check that 19:57:16 <Alberth> their goal is more to have traffic in the streets 19:57:25 <OpenTTDfan> i see 19:58:01 <Alberth> but a NewGRF that defines a bus that looks like a taxi is quite feasible 19:58:14 <OpenTTDfan> yea.. 19:58:24 <OpenTTDfan> but it should be a little different 19:58:35 <planetmaker> then write the matching newgrf and / or AI 19:58:43 <planetmaker> nothing which core openttd needs to worry about ;-) 19:59:13 <opa> why a new ai is needed? 19:59:16 <OpenTTDfan> like..the taxi should just wonder around cities and take passengers from everywhere...but i guess coding that its just too insane 19:59:43 <Alberth> yeah, but it feels wrong to me 19:59:51 <OpenTTDfan> why? 20:00:28 <Alberth> OpenTTD is mostly about mass transport between cities, a taxi does not nicely fit in there 20:00:37 <OpenTTDfan> cant code the taxi to randomly take passengers from cities and randomly taking them different distances? 20:01:12 <opa> taxi expands the radius of an airport within a city 20:01:13 <Alberth> 'take passengers'? from where? 20:01:14 <OpenTTDfan> transport tycoon....my own taxi company :P 20:01:32 <OpenTTDfan> from anywhere..just like a taxy 20:01:34 <Alberth> it is more simcity-ish w.r.t. scale 20:01:35 <OpenTTDfan> taxi 20:01:41 <OpenTTDfan> no no 20:02:16 <Alberth> yeah, you are not running a transport company there 20:02:45 <OpenTTDfan> oh cmoon a taxi co is not a transport company? 20:03:10 <Alberth> sure it is, "there" was in sim-city 20:03:33 <OpenTTDfan> i have no ideea gow the coding is made or if this could be possible... 20:03:47 <OpenTTDfan> stop comparing it to som man lol:)) 20:03:53 <OpenTTDfan> sim* 20:04:05 <Alberth> quite non-trivial in coding 20:04:18 <Alberth> all transport runs through stations 20:04:49 <OpenTTDfan> i see there are baloon GRFs going 25kmph... 20:04:58 <OpenTTDfan> well...thats NOT transpor 20:04:58 <OpenTTDfan> t 20:05:14 <Alberth> so "random pickup" is a whole new ball game, and not compatible with existing (house) newgrfs 20:05:17 <OpenTTDfan> 2 passengers 20:05:51 <OpenTTDfan> cant the code be fooled the whole city is a station? 20:06:18 <OpenTTDfan> ..somehow 20:06:36 <OpenTTDfan> not throwing stones here just ideas 20:07:03 <planetmaker> what's the point of random pickup and drop? 20:07:04 <Alberth> so you just add a station near the edge, and you have coverage over the entire city? nice 20:07:42 <planetmaker> create some roadside stops and use orders to go to different stations depending on usage 20:07:48 <OpenTTDfan> yea you could add a taxi station....where taxi goes (maybe) when out of orders 20:08:06 <Alberth> and stations by 2 or more players in the same city become one? WOW IS for free :D 20:08:47 <OpenTTDfan> no 20:09:00 <OpenTTDfan> each player has its own taxies 20:09:07 <OpenTTDfan> :-? 20:09:20 <Alberth> you just claimed the entire city was one station 20:09:39 <Alberth> and I am showing you consequences of that :) 20:10:05 <OpenTTDfan> no...thinking of coding it as it would be....so the taxi could get passengers froem antwhere 20:10:19 <OpenTTDfan> pardon my typos 20:10:47 <Alberth> as I said quite non-trivial 20:12:24 <OpenTTDfan> the idea is to have taxi cars making deliveries throughout the cities, not necessarily in stations...going randomly wherever street is 20:12:43 <Alberth> Yeah I understand 20:13:15 <OpenTTDfan> but i guess coding that its probably impossible 20:13:36 <Alberth> nothing is impossible, it just takes you a few years 20:14:12 <OpenTTDfan> its a transport games, and seeing there are balloons ingame....was thinking that taxi is necessarily 20:14:23 <OpenTTDfan> game* 20:14:34 <OpenTTDfan> yea probably 20:14:37 <OpenTTDfan> :D 20:14:48 <Alberth> balloons do start from airports, so behave as 'normal' planes 20:14:55 <OpenTTDfan> yea 20:15:00 <OpenTTDfan> thought of that 20:15:01 <Alberth> they do not try to do new things 20:15:08 <OpenTTDfan> indeed 20:15:30 <Alberth> a bus that looks like a taxi is *very* doable. 20:15:36 <OpenTTDfan> trams was a nice idea, just discovered those 20:15:53 <Alberth> you can also change the drive-through bus stop sprites 20:16:24 <Alberth> if you want fundamental changes in the game, it is going to take a LOT of time 20:16:42 <OpenTTDfan> is it possible to make a bus go all over and stop in random places? thats a taxi pretty much 20:16:45 <Alberth> and for a small feature like taxies in a city, tmwftlb imho 20:17:01 <SpComb> busses without orders work fine for non-cargodist games 20:17:14 <SpComb> can even make a profit, sometimes 20:17:21 <OpenTTDfan> :) 20:19:01 <OpenTTDfan> I know making a bus look like a taxi is somehow easy....but it shouldn't stop in stations only 20:19:16 <SpComb> what's the benefit of having taxis? 20:19:26 <SpComb> as in, what problem in the game would they solve? 20:20:09 <OpenTTDfan> not a problem, but a real transport offer..like in real life 20:20:40 <Alberth> what's the game profit from it? 20:21:06 <SpComb> OpenTTD isn't all that close to real life 20:21:13 <OpenTTDfan> you mean cash revenue? 20:21:17 <SpComb> it would get in the way of it being fun :) 20:21:18 <Alberth> ie starting a number of taxies and letting them run all by themselves is not very useful from a gaming point of view 20:21:41 <OpenTTDfan> lol you invented trams so i guess the game tries to follow life... 20:21:46 <SpComb> and taxis are probably too low-volume to work in OpenTTD's macro world 20:22:09 <Alberth> ie trains are fun because you spend ages on getting the tracks and the cargo transport right 20:22:26 <OpenTTDfan> i know thats why Im playing it :D 20:22:30 <SpComb> and trunk doesn't have cargodist, so intra-town feeder services only work for town growth, anyways 20:22:38 <Alberth> so what's the fun in taxies? 20:22:52 <Alberth> you cannot do anything with them 20:22:57 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-129-123-50.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:14 <Alberth> ie game extensions are fun-driven, not real-life driven 20:24:07 <Alberth> don't get me wrong, I think making a taxi NewGRF is fun to do, and fun to run a few times 20:24:13 <Alberth> but as core game feature? 20:25:29 <OpenTTDfan> oook....what if you can give it paths to follow...like when you assign a taxi to follow some paths and you name the paths....throughout the citie ans other citeies as well...wherever street exist... 20:25:33 <OpenTTDfan> don't know... 20:25:36 <OpenTTDfan> just thinkin 20:28:44 <OpenTTDfan> you're probably right taxi is not worth it 20:29:19 <OpenTTDfan> but the games has all the transport possibilities except this 20:29:30 <SpComb> it doesn't have walking either :) 20:29:39 <Alberth> or cars :) 20:29:40 <SpComb> imagine that, cargo transporting itself without your getting paid! 20:29:41 <SpComb> how evil 20:29:51 <OpenTTDfan> bicycling neither lol 20:31:06 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has left #openttd [PING 1337459899] 20:31:09 <OpenTTDfan> oh well... 20:31:24 <OpenTTDfan> no matter the game is fun as it is anyway 20:31:58 <Alberth> not really, I almost never play it :) 20:32:08 <OpenTTDfan> :) 20:32:15 <OpenTTDfan> you are probably sick of it 20:32:57 <OpenTTDfan> when call of dusy is out there...clearly open ttd is losing players lol 20:32:58 <Alberth> I have no nice build challenges any more 20:33:44 <SpComb> Alberth: tried cargod[ie]st? :) 20:34:09 <OpenTTDfan> how about bridges and tunnels on the diagonal? 20:34:19 <Alberth> dest worked fine, but it stopped. yacd never worked nicely for me 20:34:19 <OpenTTDfan> no 20:34:43 <Alberth> needs a map rewrite 20:35:26 <OpenTTDfan> yea.. 20:35:30 <planetmaker> yacd worked for me... it was actually fun and would be even more fun now with autorefit :-) 20:35:55 <Alberth> played dist one time, and had trouble with connections dropping due to low volume 20:36:29 <opa> byw how does coding games differ from coding customized business solutions? 20:36:32 <SpComb> dist can be finicky 20:36:43 <opa> from developers point of view 20:36:53 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:36:54 <planetmaker> with dist I had some issues wrt load balance and destinations of cargo 20:36:58 <Alberth> opa: I only do fun things in OpenTTD 20:37:41 <Alberth> where my notion of fun is probably hugely different from yours :p 20:38:18 <Yexo> hello 20:38:26 <Alberth> I found yacd very hard to get off the ground, with pax it is pretty much impossible 20:38:29 <OpenTTDfan> i guess optimizing is the name of the fun 20:38:29 <Alberth> hi Yexo 20:38:33 <Yexo> hey Alberth 20:38:46 <Alberth> OpenTTDfan: nope, refactoring is 20:39:02 <OpenTTDfan> hmmm and how is that? 20:39:28 <OpenTTDfan> nothing on wiki lol 20:39:31 <Alberth> what do you mean? 20:39:49 <OpenTTDfan> refactoring? 20:40:15 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 20:40:17 <Alberth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_refactoring ? :) 20:40:58 *** OpenTTDfan [4e614adb@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:41:17 *** OpenTTDfan [4e614adb@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:41:35 <Alberth> not that scared hopefully :) 20:41:36 <OpenTTDfan> oh i see....a whole new level of palying open ttd lol 20:43:21 <Alberth> oh, playing openttd you mean. Right :) I make random unplanned connections, and extend the network. Since I don't make plans, stuff tends to get jammed, so I must re-organize tracks and junctions frequently 20:43:45 <Alberth> and I play with breakdowns and freight-multiplier at 5 or 6 20:43:53 <SpComb> organic growth 20:44:17 <Alberth> and no landscaping if possible 20:44:32 <OpenTTDfan> oh 20:44:41 <SpComb> uh, breakdowns is just masochistic 20:44:55 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/long_way_up.png like this :) 20:45:13 <NGC3982> haha 20:45:18 <NGC3982> why, god. why. 20:45:21 <OpenTTDfan> lol 20:45:55 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:00 <Alberth> SpComb if you pick high reliability engines, breakdowns are not a problem 20:47:34 <Alberth> basically, you need to start building extra tracks sooner, as you cannot pack trains together, since a breakdown disrupts everything then 20:52:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 20:52:33 <planetmaker> Alberth: for that screenshot I know shorter tracks given the shown trainlength ;-) 20:54:05 <Alberth> yeah, but it looks so nice ;) 20:54:53 <Alberth> and this does work better than straight up the hill 20:58:56 <planetmaker> ofc, I don't mean straight up the hill. But if you go with the uphill track further left and then diagonal, you could avoid the one complete turn 21:09:20 <Alberth> oh, yeah. There used to be other tracks there :) 21:11:18 <Alberth> good night all 21:12:00 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:14:11 <OpenTTDfan> good night 21:14:25 <OpenTTDfan> arent you watching the final :) ? 21:17:17 <OpenTTDfan> bayern gonna win it :P 21:17:50 <planetmaker> they kinda deserve it ;-) 21:18:20 <OpenTTDfan> indeed 21:19:10 <OpenTTDfan> you from london? 21:23:04 <OpenTTDfan> chelsea got it 21:37:22 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-65-153-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:40 <FLHerne> Indeed. Didn't deserve it though :-( 21:39:04 <planetmaker> they should have lost 3:1... 21:44:18 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-65-153-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:50:27 *** OpenTTDfan [4e614adb@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:52:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the bayern triple! :) 22:02:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> lost in the Bundesliga, lost in the Pokal, and lost in the champions league :) 22:05:59 <planetmaker> :-D 22:09:43 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:17:04 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:21:53 *** Firartix [~artixds@168.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:49 *** Hazzard [~7b7804f9@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:44:06 *** Hazzard [~7b7804f9@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 22:44:49 *** Hazzard [~413144b3@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:46:34 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d8228d6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:53:30 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:55:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:09 *** Hazzard [~413144b3@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:12 *** Hazzard [~413144b5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:07:08 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 23:10:40 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.13.140.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:13:34 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:13:37 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:48 *** Hazzard_ [~7b7804f9@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:18:09 *** Hazzard is now known as Guest712 23:18:09 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 23:22:34 *** Guest712 [~413144b5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:50 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:35:01 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving]