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00:09:14 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:32:33 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]] 02:02:09 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-251-30.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 02:07:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-114-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:16 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 02:16:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:952:5817:b647:aa37] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:27:09 *** RichyB [~richardb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:04:16 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67936.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD56A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:38:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 05:51:21 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 05:57:16 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:16 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:03 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 05:58:25 <Terkhen> good morning 05:58:37 <Supercheese> salve 05:59:03 <planetmaker> good morning 06:08:11 <NGC3982> Morning. 06:08:16 <NGC3982> A quick question 06:08:31 <NGC3982> "das KÃŒken" means "chicken" in german? 06:08:53 <planetmaker> a "kÃŒken" is a chicken baby 06:08:58 <Supercheese> a chick, then 06:09:19 <NGC3982> Oh. 06:09:25 <planetmaker> or generally a baby bird 06:09:38 <planetmaker> more or less freshly hatched 06:09:43 <NGC3982> It's a very, very (very) bad word in swedish. 06:09:58 <planetmaker> "KÃŒken"? 06:10:10 <planetmaker> I didn't know that the Swedes had the letter ÃŒ 06:10:36 <NGC3982> It's just "u", but the pronounciation is exactly the same. 06:10:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 06:11:09 <Supercheese> Exactly the same? When dealing with umlauts, that seems doubtful 06:11:12 <Supercheese> but perhaps 06:12:12 <planetmaker> my dictionary doesn't know that as swedish word 06:12:14 <NGC3982> And it's not related to baby birds, as much as male genitalia. 06:12:36 <NGC3982> Markk: Doesn't "kuk" exist as a SAOL word in swedish? 06:13:14 <Markk> NGC3982: No idea mate. 06:13:17 <__ln__> Supercheese: swedes pronounce their 'u' very close to like 'ÃŒ'. 06:13:25 <NGC3982> It's vulgar slang. 06:13:31 <NGC3982> According to the intarwebz. 06:13:38 <Markk> __ln__: Not always. 06:14:05 <Markk> __ln__: We have two ways of pronounce "u". 06:14:55 <Supercheese> Hah, only two ways to pronounce vowels? In English there's almost dozens per vowel :P 06:15:06 <planetmaker> http://www.dict.cc/?s=k%C3%BCken this should give the German translation in the right column 06:15:20 <Markk> Supercheese: Depends on which wowel. 06:15:25 <Supercheese> Yep, chick 06:15:31 <Markk> vowel* 06:15:32 <Markk> Even 06:15:37 <planetmaker> you can try to click several times... obviously there's different speakers... which pronounce it of course slightly different :-) 06:16:24 <planetmaker> I prefer the one with the long vowel 06:16:24 <Markk> __ln__: But in the word "kuk" it's not pronounced like "ÃŒ" or "y". 06:16:34 <NGC3982> planetmaker: When listening to the example file: If presented to a swede, he would definitely hear the vulgar slang for male penis. 06:16:38 <NGC3982> +the. 06:17:07 <planetmaker> same stem as the English one, obviously 06:17:26 <planetmaker> and my point of contact at industry is... Ellen DeCock 06:17:34 <NGC3982> Harr. 06:17:35 <planetmaker> what a name. But she isn't Swedish nor English 06:17:43 <__ln__> NGC3982: male .... there's a female one too?? 06:17:46 <Supercheese> For the longest time, a cock was merely a rooster 06:17:51 <planetmaker> yup 06:17:57 <Supercheese> and then modern slang came in and messed the language up 06:18:01 <NGC3982> __ln__: Of course. Have you never met the swedish mee-male? 06:18:14 <__ln__> i hope not 06:18:14 <planetmaker> that's how language always worked and will work, Supercheese ;-) 06:18:23 <Supercheese> Alas 06:18:35 <NGC3982> I like that. 06:18:41 * Supercheese wonders what Esperanto slang is like 06:18:51 <Supercheese> what with it being a highly engineered language 06:19:09 <NGC3982> I do enjoy the poeticism of the older swedish language, but new slang is just ..better. 06:19:54 <planetmaker> Es ist mir ein PlÀsir, mich einer elaborierten deutschen Sprache zu befleiÃigen ;-) 06:20:13 <planetmaker> I guess I like the older style :D 06:20:21 <planetmaker> in German 06:20:46 <NGC3982> I wish i had any idea of how that would look like. 06:20:52 <planetmaker> what? 06:21:10 <NGC3982> Yes, i wish i knew more german, and more about the german language. 06:21:39 <Markk> I now some phrases in German. 06:21:47 <NGC3982> +k 06:21:51 <Supercheese> Does German have some interesting rules about capitalizing nouns? I've been meaning to learn more about the language and have been wondering 06:22:01 <Markk> And I met a German girl the other day, and she asked what I could say in German. 06:22:09 <planetmaker> well, the sentence I just wrote... it definitely is not ordinary language style. It contains at least three words which are meanwhile nearly extinct in spoken language 06:22:25 <NGC3982> PM: I see. "PlÀsir"? 06:22:28 <Supercheese> it seems that not only proper nouns end up capitalized 06:22:39 <planetmaker> NGC3982, basically same as pleasure or joy :-) 06:22:39 <NGC3982> It's ..hanebÃŒchen? 06:22:43 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 06:22:43 <Markk> "Ich hÀtte lust mit groÃen tieren" 06:22:53 <NGC3982> I named a local server at work "Schadenfreude". 06:22:54 <Markk> She just laughed. :) 06:22:57 <NGC3982> Markk: :D 06:22:58 <planetmaker> plaisire :-) 06:23:37 <planetmaker> most I like the verb "sich befleiÃigen" :-D. Which roughly translates to "make use of" 06:23:43 <NGC3982> I see. 06:23:48 <NGC3982> Muckefucke. 06:24:07 <NGC3982> I had some german coffe with that name. 06:24:21 <planetmaker> NGC3982, Muckefuck is not real coffee. It's coffee substitute 06:24:26 <planetmaker> It's a difference ;-) 06:25:00 <NGC3982> Ah, like Nëscafé, i guess. 06:25:23 <planetmaker> kinda 06:25:49 <Supercheese> or Folgers? 06:25:51 <planetmaker> but not really coffee. Which at least is even in Nescafe 06:25:58 <planetmaker> it's malt coffee 06:26:28 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_substitute 06:26:29 <NGC3982> Oh. 06:26:42 <NGC3982> That doesn't actually sound that nice. 06:26:54 <planetmaker> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckefuck 06:27:09 <planetmaker> it does. But it's not a brand but a name for a poor thing really ;-) 06:27:17 <NGC3982> Speaking of german, and germans 06:27:29 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-102-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:27:33 <NGC3982> I have noticed something odd about communicating with german companies. 06:28:54 <planetmaker> even odd numbers are only prime when larger than the only truely odd prime ;-) 06:28:58 <NGC3982> In swede, while e-mailing everyone from salesmen to company owners, i notice that the effort put in spelling and correct capitalization decreases with rank or company relevance. 06:29:42 <NGC3982> The CEO doesn't even use personal greetings, and often emphazises the agenda with "!!?(&(?(". 06:30:02 <NGC3982> But after working with germans for some time now, i notice the exact opposite. 06:31:00 <planetmaker> it's a bit a sign of carelessness to be sloppy there, isn't it? It also doesn't help clarity of communication to allow slander there when you try to tell people stuff 06:31:18 <NGC3982> Exactly. 06:31:56 <NGC3982> For my part, i try to use the language as correctly as possible, who-ever i write too. 06:31:59 <NGC3982> At least in e-mails 06:32:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:32:46 <__ln__> NGC3982: *whomever 06:32:54 <NGC3982> And yes, in my point of view: Doing e-mails like that is careless in both german and swedish. 06:32:57 <NGC3982> __ln__: Thank you. 06:33:11 <NGC3982> The problem for me is still the english though, as you can see. 06:33:18 <NGC3982> But that's more forgiving, i guess. 06:34:50 <Supercheese> If you measure your English against the average American's, then yes, it is very forgiving indeed ;) 06:35:32 <Supercheese> I am dismayed at the state of the language in this country 06:38:30 <NGC3982> Well, i notice that the germans and me have somewhat equal language skills 06:38:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:39:01 <NGC3982> Although, i speak more german than they speak english! 06:39:02 <NGC3982> :P 06:39:05 <NGC3982> Oh 06:39:10 * NGC3982 erases 06:39:14 <NGC3982> Although, i speak more german than they speak swedish! 06:39:18 <NGC3982> :P 06:44:51 <__ln__> but http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1925 06:47:00 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:47:47 <NGC3982> Oh, crap. 06:48:04 * NGC3982 prepare references to Midland cars from the sixties. 06:51:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:03 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-102-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:35 <Terkhen> mine's from china then, I guess 07:10:45 *** tom73129 [5772d9d2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:17:10 *** tom73129 [5772d9d2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:18:14 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 07:25:20 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:27:33 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 07:27:45 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]] 07:29:08 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 08:14:40 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:18:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:20:27 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:41:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.101] has joined #openttd 08:47:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.162.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:03:45 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-220-237.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:25:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-10.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:33:18 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:50:15 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 09:55:00 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:06:13 *** RichyB [~richardb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:21:53 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 10:23:19 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:50:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:41 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-189-55.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:20:45 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:45 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083045.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:19 *** marco313 [d93dbbc6@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:25:44 *** marco313 [d93dbbc6@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [] 11:29:02 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:31:11 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:31:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> heya 11:31:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> is there a download location for "older" stables ? 11:32:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> im creating a scenario atm 11:32:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> and if i use the Chrill Patchpack then the 1.x.x stable users wont be able to join it 11:32:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> but if i make it on 1.2.0 then the CPP isnt accepting it 11:32:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> so is there a download for lets say 1.0.0 or 0.x.x to make scenario's (or a way to port my cpp-data into 1.x.x stable?) 11:33:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> aka how did .scn data change apart from version? 11:34:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> ohi valhallasw 11:37:47 <lugo> ZxBiohazardZx: binaries.openttd.org 11:37:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> has older versions? 11:37:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> thx 11:38:04 <lugo> und releases yes 11:38:07 <lugo> *under 11:38:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> ok thanks 11:38:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> that still leaves me with the question of "would it be portable to back-port" an existing scenario/map to older/newer version by hacking its data somewhere? 11:38:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> or did .scn format change so insanely much that cross-porting over the versions truely is impossible? 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16:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it can't read TTD DOS music 16:29:17 <planetmaker> I feared so 16:33:02 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:33:37 <frosch123> evening everyone :) 16:39:59 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-067-201.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:17 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:55:25 <planetmaker> hi Frankr :-) 16:56:17 <Knogle> hi :) 16:59:55 <planetmaker> hi Knogle 17:00:08 <planetmaker> and I meant to quak... instead of random highlights 17:00:43 <frosch123> hi pugi :) 17:04:15 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 17:11:21 <Frankr> hey planetmaker :) 17:12:51 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:06 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:15:56 <pugi> hello frosch123 17:16:05 <pugi> :D 17:16:43 <frosch123> wow, both pm an me did not hit idlers :) 17:17:21 <pugi> i was downstairs eating dinner when you highlighted me 17:17:37 <pugi> so i have an excuse :D 17:29:09 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:49 <Yexo> good evening 17:40:56 <Knogle> Hm, can GSGameSettings::SetValue make/save changes to openttd.cfg while a game is running? 17:41:31 <Yexo> why not? 17:42:26 <Knogle> because if you manually make changes in openttd.cfg while a game is running, it'll be changed back, afaik. 17:42:38 <Yexo> oh, to openttd.cfg 17:42:42 <Yexo> no, they can't change that at all 17:42:49 <Knogle> ok 17:42:52 <Yexo> a gamescript can only change the config for the currently running game 17:43:05 <Yexo> openttd.cfg is only for new games 17:43:13 <Knogle> gotcha 17:43:17 <Knogle> :) 17:43:23 <Yexo> there are some exceptions, some settings are GUI only 17:43:35 <Yexo> if you'd change one of those via a GS the change would be saved in openttd.cfg 17:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24512 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt luxembourgish.txt): 17:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 26 changes by Eskymak 17:45:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 7 changes by Phreeze 17:47:47 <Sacro> \o/ 17:55:16 <Zuu> Though, in most cases it would be a good practice to not change GUI settings in a GS as IMHO, GUI settings should be up to the players to decide upon. 17:55:38 <frosch123> except for the tutorial :) 17:56:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:34 <Zuu> Even the tutorial acts upon what GUI settings that players choose rather than editing them. 17:57:19 <frosch123> gs virus: mess up all the settings :) 17:57:20 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:58:03 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:58:44 <planetmaker> :D 17:58:56 <planetmaker> evil frosch123, evil you! ;-) 18:01:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "this gamescript forbids you to make trees transparent" 18:01:55 <planetmaker> :D 18:02:09 <planetmaker> "this game script enforces TTD feeling" ;-) 18:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> we can't have that, as some settings were removed :) 18:03:02 <planetmaker> :-) yeah 18:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of TTD, anyone tried recreating the original german town name generator? whenever i load old TT(O/D) games, all the names are screwed up 18:07:04 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.vc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:04 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@on6.co.uk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 18:10:13 <Knogle> Zuu: That's not what I wanted to changed though - I was wondering if I could set a random landscape or a random starting year for next game :) 18:10:41 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.vc] has joined #openttd 18:10:51 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:18:43 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B199.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:35 <Yexo> Knogle: you might be able to, but no guarantee: change the landscape/start year for the current game, then use "restart" instead of "newgame" 18:34:00 <Knogle> worth a try 18:34:13 <Knogle> I have my doubts though. 18:34:52 <frosch123> if that works, then it is like the old climate cheat 18:35:05 <frosch123> so, quickly start a new game before it breaks the old one :) 18:35:50 <Yexo> "if it works, we'll fix it so it no longer works on 1.3" :p 18:36:37 <Yexo> it works from the console 18:36:45 <Yexo> so very likely also from a GS 18:36:51 <Yexo> a GS is not really the right place to change such things though 18:37:22 <Yexo> Knogle: how do you start a new game? Afaik a GS can't do that 18:40:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:40:35 <andythenorth> bonsoirre 18:42:22 <Rubidium> salut monsieur lenord 18:43:07 <Knogle> Yexo: don't think it can, no.. I was gonna do that manually to see. 18:43:28 <Yexo> so why change the settings via GS? 18:43:33 <Knogle> anyway, it won't let me change the landspace using GSGameSettings::SetValue 18:43:39 <Yexo> if you do that manually to you can change the newgame settings 18:43:54 <Knogle> true 18:44:43 <Knogle> but with GS, it could be changed to a random landscape, then use 'restart' 18:45:17 <frosch123> how would you trigger the gS? 18:45:33 <frosch123> you would have to plant a sign or something complicated 18:45:46 <Yexo> Knogle: you're using the wrong tool for the job 18:45:59 <Knogle> I know I am, I just wanted to test it :P 18:46:02 <planetmaker> frosch123, if you have an "eternal server" the script could modify settings, then admin port restarts after game end 18:46:04 <Yexo> making a small program that uses the admin port, or even a wrapper around the console are better ways 18:46:15 <Knogle> and planetmaker has a point 18:46:22 <frosch123> planetmaker: can admin port change settings? 18:46:23 <planetmaker> but doing that all by admin port is the much better choice 18:46:29 <Yexo> but if you use the admin port to restart, why not use it to change the settings? 18:46:34 <planetmaker> frosch123, I hope it can change newgame settings :-) 18:46:39 <planetmaker> but I'm not sure 18:46:49 <planetmaker> but I'll be surprised, if it cannot 18:46:54 <Yexo> can't it send all rcon commands? 18:46:57 <planetmaker> after all it was designed to ^ 18:47:06 <frosch123> and yes, the setting is like the cheat 18:47:14 <frosch123> it's is snowing in temperate :) 18:47:45 <Knogle> GSGameSettings::SetValue expects integer as value 18:47:56 <frosch123> yes 18:47:59 <Knogle> so it can't set to "temperate" 18:48:02 <frosch123> temperate is 0 18:48:05 <Knogle> ah 18:48:06 <frosch123> same as via the console 18:48:14 <Knogle> thanks 18:48:18 <frosch123> "setting game_creation.landscape 1" 18:48:19 <planetmaker> console also doesn't accept text ;-) 18:48:26 <Knogle> didn't know that 18:48:30 <Knogle> learning every day :P 18:48:45 <planetmaker> Knogle, look at your openttd.cfg 18:48:53 <Knogle> thats what I did 18:48:56 <planetmaker> there it gives you the accepted data type for each setting ;-) 18:49:06 <Knogle> its set to "landscape = temperate" 18:49:08 <Knogle> :P 18:49:11 <Knogle> not 0 18:49:13 <planetmaker> hm, interesting :D 18:49:15 <frosch123> "listsettings" console command is more useful 18:49:25 <frosch123> esp. because it greps :) 18:49:26 <Knogle> http://wiki.openttd.org/Landscape 18:49:37 <Knogle> :P 18:50:30 <andythenorth> Yexo / planetmaker would you help me modify FIRS supplies mechanic for test purposes? 18:50:52 <Yexo> sure, modify it to do what exactly? 18:50:54 <Knogle> GSGameSettings.SetValue("landscape",0); and restart didn't work though. 18:50:59 <andythenorth> I'll paste 18:51:45 <Knogle> and I know there's better ways to do, and it's not really important to do so, I just wondered if you could make a script that does exactly that ;) 18:51:51 <Knogle> to do it* 18:52:43 <andythenorth> Yexo: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1695/ 18:53:18 <frosch123> Knogle: use the console to get the real setting name 18:53:27 <frosch123> the setting name is not "landscape" 18:53:37 <Knogle> hrm 18:53:37 <andythenorth> I should really be able to figure this out myself - but no sleep :P 18:54:04 <Knogle> GSGameSettings.IsValid("landscape") returns true :P 18:55:16 <andythenorth> industry production multiplier is 16 by default (just checked) 18:55:48 <andythenorth> however I use cb15F to vary it 18:55:54 <andythenorth> which is a bit more complicated 18:56:17 <frosch123> Knogle: oh, apparently the shortened name also works :o 18:56:18 <Yexo> Knogle: are you testing in SP or MP? 18:56:32 <Yexo> the "landscape" setting can only be changed in single-player modus 18:56:45 <planetmaker> sounds fun, andythenorth. I'll do a quick shopping stop for some breakfast stuff, then I'm back on that 18:57:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker Yexo thanks :) 18:57:09 <andythenorth> appreciated 18:57:18 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:29 <andythenorth> I meanwhile am writing a python script to calculate how much sleep I had recently 18:57:33 <andythenorth> [not] 18:58:19 <planetmaker> but also sounds like ECS-like production changes ;-) 18:58:32 <frosch123> what's worse? having no sleep, or having enough sleep and still being tired? 18:58:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:43 <planetmaker> frosch123, the latter 18:58:48 <Yexo> the latter indeed 18:58:56 <Yexo> having no sleep is easy to fix ;) 18:59:03 <Knogle> what they said ;) 18:59:07 <Yexo> in theory at least 19:00:51 <andythenorth> planetmaker: it might be a bit more ECS like 19:00:55 <andythenorth> I think it might be simpler too 19:01:00 <andythenorth> testing will show :) 19:01:21 <andythenorth> it's a straight copy of how it works in Railroad Tycoon (if my memory is correct) :P 19:01:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host218-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:01:48 <Wolf01> evening 19:03:20 <Knogle> Yexo: Sorry, missed your question.. I was testing in SP. 19:06:48 <Alberth> evenink Wolf01 19:09:24 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-105-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:44 <__ln__> oh, a star trek thing on google's front page. 19:13:56 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i must be a really bad trekky if i only recognize 4 out of 6 people 19:18:55 <Yexo> there are 2 more hidden behind the door 19:19:28 *** APTX_ [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 19:19:29 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i suppose you need javascript for that 19:19:46 <Yexo> guess so 19:21:30 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@on6.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:22:08 <Zuu> Implementing a Goal::UpdateGoal, I assume it is not needed to be able to update the company ID or goal destination. Only text and the new "progress" field that I'm adding. 19:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, tribbles :) 19:25:25 <frosch123> Zuu: yeah, for changing company you can as well delete and create 19:41:02 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083045.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 19:42:56 <frosch123> night 19:42:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00bf68.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:49 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:40 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:08:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-10.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:49 <Zuu> Should *all* script preconditions be enforced, even if it means that you must find thte goal struct from the pool and check a value that the CMD function will check without a unneeded pool lookup? 20:22:20 <andythenorth> hmm 20:22:24 * andythenorth needs to install ply 20:22:42 <andythenorth> that is remarkably hard 20:27:08 <andythenorth> if setuptools is broken 20:27:18 <andythenorth> why does setuptools break so much :P 20:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> use an os with a sane package manager 20:33:50 <andythenorth> ah 20:33:52 <andythenorth> good point 20:34:20 * andythenorth considers starting a Windows Vista VM for this 20:34:40 <andythenorth> the node.js package manager is pretty good 20:34:46 <andythenorth> maybe python should switch to it :P 20:35:56 <andythenorth> hmm 20:35:58 <andythenorth> fixed ply 20:36:03 <andythenorth> now for PIL :P 20:36:08 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:36 <Terkhen> vista? why vista? 20:44:53 <andythenorth> funniest option I could think of 20:44:55 <andythenorth> I don't have ME :P 20:47:40 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:14 <FLHerne> andythenorth: What's wrong with OS7? :P (other than minor program bugs causing hard crashes ;-) ) 20:54:31 <andythenorth> does it run in a VM on intel? :P 20:54:32 <andythenorth> thought not :P 20:55:25 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I believe there's an m68k emulator out there somewhere :-) 20:56:56 <FLHerne> Yup, found it: http://basilisk.cebix.net/ 20:57:25 <FLHerne> The other option is to keep a stack of m68k and PPC laptops in a cupboard, of course :D 21:00:21 <andythenorth> let me know when you've compiled nmlc for PPC 21:00:29 <andythenorth> it should work, if you can get python running 21:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you need 2GB-ish of RAM to compile CETS 21:03:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:04:12 <FLHerne> That sounds fun. Perhaps when I get my PBG4 working again... :-) 21:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should port the whole thing to NFO 21:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean i already do loads of processing outside NML anyway 21:06:38 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: nml takes that much memory? 21:06:57 <Zuu> Started to code on goal window improvements: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1045385#p1045385 21:06:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: yes, i presume just building up the syntax tree 21:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: it also spends most of the time in PLY code 21:07:35 <Yexo> I'll see what I can do about that 21:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> (that is, after i took out all the template calculations) 21:14:11 <Terkhen> Zuu: nice :O 21:15:07 <Zuu> Its maybe a bit rough on the edges so far as I just started with it a few hours ago. 21:15:18 <Zuu> For example I just use 40 pixels for the progress column. 21:15:36 <Zuu> Which for sure will fail if the font is too large. 21:19:15 <Zuu> Hmm, do we actually have any window that show tabular text that support font sizes? 21:19:34 <Zuu> Eg. both town and industry list cheat by not showing data in real columns. 21:20:40 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:04 <Zuu> Hmm, the economy window uses columns and at least the first one could in theory be very wide if a wide language + font is used. 21:21:07 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:25:50 <Yexo> good night 21:26:12 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 21:26:14 <Zuu> night Yexo 21:28:56 <planetmaker> Zuu, I don't we exactly have that. To a degree the depot views are a gridded window 21:29:08 <planetmaker> but it's by all means not text only :-) 21:29:18 <planetmaker> and sizes there iirc are defined rather by sprite sizes 21:30:00 <Zuu> I figured out that the infrastructure respect the string length for its first column. And it being not too complicated gives some help on how to do it. 21:30:34 <Zuu> Basically, you have to override a Window member and there test-render all strings to get the width of them to compute the column withs. 21:31:03 <Zuu> s/withs/widths/ 21:31:38 <Zuu> Something I think that I will save for another day. 21:36:46 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:05 *** RichyB [~richardb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:21 <Terkhen> good night 21:53:17 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:58:30 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:47 <Wolf01> 'night 22:28:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host218-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:34:16 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:37:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:50 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:41:56 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:41 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: i've read code like that in the timetable window patches, back when i tried to move it to the new window system 22:43:23 *** player23 [~5607d7d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:43:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B199.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:44 *** player23 [~5607d7d5@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 22:45:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: should be not much more than "foreach (entry) { width max= GetStringWidth(entry); } widget->width = width;" 22:50:28 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:00:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:34:34 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-189-55.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:48:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]