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On the contrary 07:54:58 <planetmaker> For just compiling one of the official versions it's essential, though 07:55:39 <xahodo> grmbl... been stumbling around with git for nothing then. 07:56:39 <xahodo> argh 07:56:46 <planetmaker> if you only play single player it doesn't matter. 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But the time you can afford to do it, who cares? 14:35:51 <planetmaker> I'd assume that it depends on the timeframe you look at amortisation 14:36:11 <Kitty> is there a way to get yearly profit from a station ? 14:36:12 <Jake> Also, new scenario up: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=62798 14:39:37 <Alberth> Kitty: How would you calculate that? 14:39:43 <Jake> My firast experiment with ECS, as well as a rare scenario with a somewhat detailed back-story. 14:39:54 <Kitty> Alberth: there is that 14:41:23 <Alberth> Kitty: you can pull the list of trains that visit this station, but that's for their entire order list 14:41:32 <Kitty> yeah 14:42:12 <Kitty> hmm, what are the stats on air crashes? I just had the same plane crash twice in about 5 minutes... 14:43:54 <Alberth> fast planes landing on small airports is not so good 14:45:11 <Alberth> Kitty: what I mean is that vehicles make money on traveling with cargoes. Stations are just transfer medium, they don't make money 14:45:39 <planetmaker> s/fast/big/ :-) 14:46:29 <Kitty> ok 14:46:42 <Kitty> Alberth: it's an A380 landing on an international airport 14:47:59 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 14:48:00 <Alberth> ok, that should be normal chance, depending on your aircraft crash setting 14:48:56 <planetmaker> but randome chance doesn't mean that two things can't happen immediately after eachother 14:49:04 <planetmaker> it's random. Not temporally equally spaced 14:49:08 <Kitty> of course 14:49:15 <Kitty> I am aware it could just be bad luck 14:49:57 <planetmaker> good :-) Just saying. Randomness is usually a concept which often is a bit mis-understood, especially if statistics are low (N<=2) 14:50:32 <Kitty> of course 14:50:37 <Kitty> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is a random string 14:50:43 <planetmaker> :-) 14:50:44 <Kitty> people just don't realise it 14:50:57 <Kitty> this has been used as a weakness to exploint one time pads 14:51:16 <Alberth> http://xkcd.com/221/ 14:51:41 <planetmaker> hehe 14:53:04 <Kitty> yep 14:53:55 <Kitty> I prefer http://xkcd.org/15/ 14:55:04 <Kitty> I feel it is relevant to me 14:55:23 <planetmaker> you'd be surprised to how many people in this channel it would apply :-P 14:55:33 <Kitty> true 14:55:39 <Kitty> I think that is true of most IRC channels 14:55:47 <Kitty> lets face it, IRC is the domain of the geek well and truelly now. 14:55:55 <Kitty> everyone else is playing with farcebook 14:55:59 <planetmaker> qup 14:56:07 <planetmaker> yup even 14:58:03 <Alberth> nice one :) 15:12:53 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:06 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:13:15 <Rubidium> and 1234 is a random pin number ;) 15:14:18 <Rubidium> which is used by like 10% ;) 15:15:11 <Rubidium> (for 9 number pins I'd have a 1/3 chance of getting the right one by testing one number) 15:15:49 <planetmaker> 1/3? 15:16:17 <Rubidium> http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/september32012/ 15:23:05 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:30:49 <planetmaker> nice article, Rubidium. Thanks :-) 15:42:51 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:35 <frosch123> hmm, i always prefered odd numbers 15:43:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:46:20 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:10 *** tparker_ is now known as tparker 15:51:46 * NGC3982 writes a curriculum vitae. 15:51:53 * NGC3982 is not happy about it. 15:52:52 <Rubidium> darn it frosch123... that makes me think how odd odd numbers are, though they are about as odd as even numbers 15:53:23 <Rubidium> though the number of non-odd-non-even numbers is an infinitive time large 15:53:42 <Rubidium> wouldn't that make the chance of encountering an odd number like 0? 15:53:45 <planetmaker> but two is the only truely odd prime ;-) 15:53:58 <planetmaker> or rather even two is a truely odd prime 16:00:58 <frosch123> hmm, 4/20 is no known term in my generation 16:01:06 <frosch123> likely only american 16:21:08 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-027-187.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:51 <peter1138> [5 16:23:58 <peter1138> it's a pot-head thing 16:24:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:23 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:51 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 17:12:18 *** SpComb^_ is now known as SpComb 17:18:40 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:18:41 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:34 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:04 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:19 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:35:19 <Alberth> moin Wolf01 17:35:21 <Wolf01> hello o/ 17:35:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:39 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@524A7DE2.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:29 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:17 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 18:00:08 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:19 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: A fine is a tax for doing wrong. 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:P 18:57:44 *** AWQAPUMA was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [I hate shouting] 19:01:26 <NGC3982> Christ. 19:10:56 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:51 *** Kylie [kvirc@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:35 <Kylie> hi all 19:25:01 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d083f46.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-42.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:49 <andythenorth> rarp 19:33:21 <andythenorth> does anyone understand how autorefit handles cargo subtypes? 19:33:24 * andythenorth doesn't 19:34:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-76-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:35:28 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:35:56 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:36:29 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:37:13 <planetmaker> andythenorth, iirc it tries to maintain subtype... but i might be wrong 19:39:20 <andythenorth> I'm trying to figure out if subtypes allow invalid orders to be created 19:39:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D947.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:39:28 <andythenorth> can't be bothered to test right now :P 19:43:26 <andythenorth> hmm 19:43:29 <andythenorth> yes 19:43:37 <andythenorth> subtypes allow the creation of invalid orders 19:43:38 <andythenorth> ] 19:43:50 <andythenorth> specifically in the case that subtypes change vehicle length (there may be others) 19:44:05 <andythenorth> this means that I need to redesign BANDIT again :P 19:44:10 <andythenorth> and HEQS 19:45:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B589.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:30 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 20:09:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-112-81.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:24 <Terkhen> good night 20:18:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-144-142-42.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:14 *** WoneGacko [~gonewacko@524A7DE2.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:25:57 *** WoneGacko is now known as GoneWacko 20:29:15 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:42:57 <frosch123> hmm, i ordered a new cellphone sim card yesterday 20:43:06 <frosch123> meanwhile i received 3 mails about the order status 20:43:14 <frosch123> each one from a different mail address :p 20:44:02 <frosch123> (as in completely different companies) 20:45:02 <Alberth> and none of them said 'shipped' ? 20:45:07 <frosch123> lol... there is a hint at the bottom of the email: protect the environment - you do not have to print every email 20:46:06 <frosch123> Alberth: one order confirmation, one after the order was verified or so, and one about sending it out 20:47:23 <frosch123> not sure how many humans are involved in these three steps, but if they are, they have annoying work hours 20:50:19 <frosch123> hmm, maybe the order was verified by someone in south americe 20:50:50 <Kylie> so this train line with many power plants connected to the same coal mine only usually gets 1/3 of its total cargo capacity on each traiin at any one time 20:51:38 <frosch123> connecting multiple power plants to a single mine? 20:51:42 <Alberth> good night 20:51:45 <frosch123> how rare, most do the revere 20:51:49 <frosch123> *reverse 20:51:51 <frosch123> night albert 20:52:00 <Kylie> frosch123: point? 20:52:12 <Yexo> Kylie: are you using full load orders? 20:52:16 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:52:39 <frosch123> Kylie: i was wondering whether you would be playing ecs or so 20:52:51 <frosch123> as that's the industry set i know the least 20:53:19 <Kylie> there are 8 trains, yexo, and 1/3 is 50 to 65 tonnes of cargo showing before a train pulls in 20:53:32 <frosch123> with the other sets everyone i saw so far, delivered coal from multiple mines to a single power plant 20:53:54 <Kylie> frosch123: no, im not playing ecs 20:54:06 <Kylie> Yexo: and they dont worrk, i've tried 20:54:16 <Yexo> Kylie: so what exactly is your problem? 20:55:43 <Kylie> bcause when i use them, all8 traains end up waiting forever for 300 or 320 tonnes of coal to be handed to them. then usually there is a reserve of 4 trains that go out and back in while the otther 4 are waiting 20:55:58 <Kylie> and hm maybe not a issue after all 20:56:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6d6e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:25 <Yexo> you can change some setting so that trains never reverse while waiting for a signal 20:56:45 <Yexo> and it those trains all wait too long, have you considered somewhat smaller trains? 20:56:58 <Yexo> 8 trains that are only able to carry 150 tons of coal wouldn't have to wait so long 20:57:18 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:55 <Kylie> I was trying to get orders to wait until 50 percent 20:58:00 <Kylie> is there a way 20:58:00 <Kylie> ? 20:58:08 <Yexo> unfortunately not 20:58:58 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:07:25 <planetmaker> you can try to tune things by means of time tabling. But that's for this purpose also not reliable 21:14:15 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-243-145.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:14:30 <LordAro> evenings all 21:21:28 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:25:19 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:11 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:31:03 <Kylie> got to go all! 21:32:55 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:52:37 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:52:58 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:53:00 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:57 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:11:05 * Jake is reading the NML tutorial, and already has a headache a mere four pages in. 22:11:30 <FLHerne> It's quite a good tutorial, actually :-) 22:11:46 <Zuu> Try NFO, and NML will feel alot easier. 22:11:50 * FLHerne has been trying to apply it to stuff :P 22:12:17 <Jake> I know. If it wasn't I'd have given up in despair before I got to the end of the introduction. 22:13:18 <Zuu> However I have never really got the interest in making NewGRFs, so I havn't studied the specs more than just lightly. 22:14:29 <Jake> Me neither, but I had an idea for a really good one. 22:14:47 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-243-145.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:51 <Yexo> I've never been that interested in making them, but at first I was very curious how they worked 22:15:00 <Yexo> then I got hooked and wanted something better :p 22:16:04 <Jake> Sounds like my introduction to Dwarf Fortress modding. 22:16:23 <Zuu> If I would start thinking about making something, I would quickly get reminded about that it would take painfully a lot of time to draw the graphics. So I rather stay with programming oriented content :-) 22:16:53 <Yexo> you can do newgrf programming without touching graphics at all 22:16:58 <Yexo> that's what I try to do ;) 22:17:26 <Jake> I'll have to do the same; can't draw to save my life. 22:19:06 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:19:18 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:19:54 <FLHerne> Jake: What's this great idea? :-) 22:22:20 <Jake> An assortment of "seaport" buildings that require various kinds of cargo, to represent shipping stuff off the edge of the map. 22:23:47 <Jake> Might also do an "airport" building that accepts passengers, mail and goods as well as generating some of the latter. 22:27:52 <Jake> The idea is to make smaller maps seem like they're connected to the wider world; anything smaller than 1024x1024 feels too small to function as a closed system, and yet I can't make good scenarios bigger than 512x512. 22:29:31 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:31:22 <Wolf01> 'night 22:31:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:33:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A7C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:41 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 22:37:11 * planetmaker also hardly ever drew graphics and wrote in comparison to the art work plenty of hours of newgrf code ;-) 22:47:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 22:49:19 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:59 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:50:30 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-027-187.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:52:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:02 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:56 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.70.232] has joined #openttd 23:05:23 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-98-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:26 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:29 *** Jake_ [~chatzilla@host81-156-48-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:07:31 *** Jake_ is now known as Jake 23:09:38 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 23:12:22 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-68-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:30 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-89-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:01 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 23:44:21 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:58:19 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]