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list icon) 10:28:58 <Terkhen> hi nicoco 10:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> nicoco: also when you get awarded a subsidy, there is a news item 10:30:14 <nicoco> ho ok that means i never managed to get one :( 10:30:32 <nicoco> any idea what i might doing wrong ? 10:30:37 <Terkhen> subsidies have their own icon, the one at the left of the station buttons 10:31:37 <Terkhen> nicoco: subsidies are awarded as soon as you deliver a single unit of the subsidy cargo type from the origin to the destination before a year passes 10:32:12 <nicoco> are they usually worth the trouble ? is there a way to see how much they are ? 10:33:06 <Eddi|zuHause> nicoco: the difficulty settings say how much the price increases 10:33:11 <Terkhen> nicoco: the amount of money they give is determined by a difficulty option 10:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 50% more, double or triple 10:33:19 <Alberth> and they last a year 10:34:11 <Alberth> it can be fun to follow them, or when you are short on cash, but in general with standard openttd, it is easy to get money 10:34:20 <nicoco> ok thanks a lot ! i'll try right now 10:35:32 <Alberth> town subsidies need to have the station close the centre of the town to get awarded 10:37:47 <Leto`> I never bother with them ;)- 10:39:41 <nicoco> oops i don't know what i've doned but in my new game train construction is greyed, along with bus stations and warehouse... i can only build roads ! what did i do 10:40:22 <Alberth> what year do you play? 10:40:43 <Alberth> and with what vehicle NewGRFs? 10:40:43 <nicoco> ho right 10:40:53 <nicoco> i changed that without noticing 10:41:10 <Alberth> you're not awake then, it seems :) 10:44:02 *** Industrial [~tom@62.212.77.76] has left #openttd [WeeChat 0.3.7] 10:47:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7e37.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:42 <Alberth> quak 10:48:56 <frosch123> moin :) 11:16:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-155-37.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:31:18 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:48 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 11:32:03 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e184.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:44 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3267/snow_needed.png 11:39:50 <andythenorth> ^ how can I get ground to show snow? 11:40:13 <andythenorth> other than drawing it attached to the building sprite, which isn't correct 11:41:32 <andythenorth> hmm 11:41:47 <andythenorth> looking at other industries, drawing the snow attached to the building is correct 11:41:51 <andythenorth> how odd 11:46:01 *** nicoco [52ec1f29@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:49:43 <Alberth> I added several snowy issues to opengfx bug tracker, there seem 2 left, antenna and stations 11:52:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:00:02 <dada_> I wonder if it would be a nice idea to start a little project to fix up the original gfx and fill in the gaps where they exist 12:00:13 <dada_> if you use the original graphics now it tells you some things are missing 12:00:39 <frosch123> they you misinstalled ottd 12:00:46 <frosch123> openttd.grf contains all those graphics 12:01:10 <frosch123> make sure to not mix openttd.grf with different installations 12:01:22 <dada_> I need to get that from the opengfx, right? 12:01:32 <frosch123> no, it's in the ottd bundle 12:01:56 <dada_> weird, I got the regular 1.2.2 binary and I don't seem to have it. I do have openttdd.grf and openttdw.grf though 12:02:18 <frosch123> those are files from pre 1.0 12:02:29 <dada_> let me recheck 12:02:39 <frosch123> don't mix the openttd*.grf from various installations :) 12:02:47 <dada_> OK yeah, I see 12:02:58 <dada_> however, I don't see openttd.grf with the regular 1.2.2 binary, just downloaded a fresh one 12:03:17 <dada_> I'm on OSX, maybe it's in the windows version 12:03:42 <dada_> yep 12:03:50 <dada_> appears that osx binary zip is missing the file 12:04:24 <dada_> both the "baseset" and "ai" dirs are missing 12:05:13 <frosch123> its in Contents/Resources/baseset 12:05:21 <dada_> I see 12:05:40 <dada_> that makes sense 12:06:06 <frosch123> no idea where to put them, irc there was no installer for osx 12:07:30 <Zuu> Shouldn't readme section 4.2 answer that question? 12:07:38 <Zuu> Just make sure to not put them at a shared location. 12:07:48 <Zuu> Eg. at a location that is only searched by that specific install. 12:09:11 <frosch123> well, it only says "The application bundle (Mac OSX only)" 12:09:15 <frosch123> no path or anything :) 12:09:24 <andythenorth> does anyone understand why FIRS has to have snow drawn into the building sprites? 12:09:30 <andythenorth> instead of using a snow ground tile? 12:09:54 <frosch123> is there a default concrete tile with snow? 12:10:39 <dada_> It seems that the OSX package file contains the default files and you can override by making your own dirs in the main openttd dir 12:10:44 <dada_> that seems like a nice, commonsense way to do it to me 12:10:51 <frosch123> anyway, if you want to make the snow building aware, you might need to put it in the building sprite anyway 12:10:59 <frosch123> e.g. snow piles next to the buildings 12:11:21 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 12:11:33 <dada_> the opengfx river riles work quite nice with the original graphics 12:11:37 <frosch123> dada_: there are shared installation directories, and installation directores 12:12:03 <frosch123> you should put the version dependant files such as *.lng and openttd.grf in the installation directories 12:12:12 <frosch123> and other stuff which works for all in the shared dirs 12:12:25 <frosch123> but, yeah, see readme.txt :) 12:12:55 <andythenorth> FIRS is confusing :) 12:13:08 <dada_> yeah, the only files I put there are the original gfx, so that should be fine 12:13:16 <andythenorth> some industries use a snow ground tile 12:13:21 <andythenorth> some can't 12:14:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24576 trunk/src/waypoint_gui.cpp (2012-10-07 12:14:39 UTC) 12:14:46 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5319] (r24260): Vehicle list at buoys did no longer work. (Juanjo) 12:14:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d53:a5d8:2705:6a02] has joined #openttd 12:14:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:29 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 12:23:05 <andythenorth> meh 12:23:22 <andythenorth> I can't think of a way to sort out FIRS sprites other than recoding it from scratch 12:23:26 <andythenorth> that's dumb :P 12:24:51 <frosch123> is there a firs version for p1sim? 12:25:13 <Alberth> it has its own industries :p 12:25:43 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=62834 12:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a p1sim? :p 12:26:38 <frosch123> hmm, forklifts 12:26:53 <frosch123> maybe there should be an mmo around transportations 12:27:02 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: assuming he does more than making nice pictures, I'd say yes :) 12:27:03 <frosch123> every player gets a truck or a forklift 12:27:44 <frosch123> "choose your character" -> "forklift" :) 12:27:48 <andythenorth> forklifts are better weapons 12:27:50 <Alberth> rofl 12:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it can't be a weapon 12:28:24 <Alberth> not of mass-destruction, no :) 12:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> because "weapon" is defined as "specifically invented to do damage". everything else is just "dangerous object" 12:28:59 <andythenorth> http://www.flickr.com/photos/defenceimages/5038168821/ 12:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why throwing a stone or an empty bottle at a policeman is a different offense than throwing a bottle filled with water at him 12:30:48 <Alberth> bottles are invented to do damage? :o 12:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> no 12:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but filling a bottle with water to do more damage 12:31:35 <Rubidium> then use aqua regina ;) 12:31:36 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: are you sure you get away with saying you only wanted to give him a drink? 12:31:37 <Alberth> right, just use an unopened bottle then :p 12:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that may be hard to prove in court :p 12:33:02 <frosch123> hmm, is the p1sim forum moderated in some way? 12:33:13 <frosch123> all topics were started by p1sim 12:33:23 <frosch123> i would have expected a ton of suggestion topics 12:33:35 <frosch123> s/p1sim/smallfly/ 12:35:19 <Pinkbeast> How many people seriously suppose it's ever going to happen? 12:35:44 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@101.117.9.120] has joined #openttd 12:35:53 <frosch123> it's already going for 3 years 12:36:07 <frosch123> that is significantly longer than i would have expected when it was started 12:36:41 <Rubidium> it looks like dbset since the demise of ttdp 12:36:45 <Pinkbeast> On the other hand it's going for 3 years and has just about nicked the surface of the spec 12:37:59 <andythenorth> forklifts pre 1950s? 12:38:01 <andythenorth> hmm 12:38:12 <andythenorth> the early game is over-rated anyway 12:42:03 <Alberth> frosch123: maybe smallfly has moderator rights there, but I think nobody but him has created a topic there, mostly he shows new things he is doing and people react on it 12:42:16 * andythenorth can't find any weaponised forklifts 12:49:38 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 12:49:44 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@101.117.9.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:07 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 12:50:32 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 12:57:06 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://wallpapers.free-review.net/wallpapers/24/tank_challenger.jpg ?? it seems to mis one of the forks, but it's very weaponized :p 13:00:20 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:06 <andythenorth> Alberth: wonder how much it can lift :P 13:05:22 <Alberth> a lot probably, it stays on-target while the vehicle moves up and down, which needs a powerful motor, and some electronics :) 13:05:49 <Alberth> the main question may be how much is still standing after it arrived :p 13:07:21 <andythenorth> Alberth: better version http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/6996724740_8b08269308.jpg 13:08:18 <Alberth> quite :) 13:12:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:45 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:48:28 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:50:48 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-061-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 13:52:53 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:12:15 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:18:50 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:51 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:24:22 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:42 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:05 <NGC3982> I'm on the busiest train in Sweden. 14:26:20 <NGC3982> And I notice why. 14:28:35 <NGC3982> Feels like I'm in India or something. 14:29:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:17 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:33:52 <__ln__> Why don't they fly? 14:36:35 <Rubidium> you're on the roof? 14:36:45 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:37 <NGC3982> plane tickets are vastly more expensive per distance around here. 14:43:46 <NGC3982> Plane* 14:49:28 <Rubidium> NGC3982: what percentage of passengers is standing? 14:55:45 <NGC3982> 50, perhaps 14:56:11 <Rubidium> peanuts ;) 14:56:28 * Rubidium has been in a train where near 100% were standing 14:56:45 <NGC3982> Indeed, but not for Sweden. 14:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> there were no seats in the train? 14:57:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: there were, but weren't ;) 14:57:43 <Rubidium> yay for Japanese efficiency 14:58:23 <Rubidium> during rush hour most seats are folded up 14:59:12 <NGC3982> I guess they don't commute longer distances. 14:59:56 <NGC3982> I don't mind rush hour commuting when the time on the train is short. 15:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> studies have shown that people do not commute "distances", but they commute "times". historically, the faster the connections got, the further people travelled. the travel time stayed fairly constant 15:00:39 <NGC3982> This is a two hour trip. 15:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "commute" being the daily travel from home to work 15:02:32 <NGC3982> That's interesting 15:03:43 <NGC3982> Though, it's not just a matter of commuting being cheaper over greater distances? 15:04:26 <Rubidium> NGC3982: that's not far off from the average Japanese commute 15:04:58 <Eddi|zuHause> two hours sounds fairly long 15:04:58 <NGC3982> Rubidium: I see. 15:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> in europe it's around 45 minutes 15:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> in the USA a bit longer 15:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (one may wonder whether that is a cause or an effect of the us-style suburbanisation) 15:06:19 <NGC3982> I commute every day, with a seventeen minute bus ride 15:07:00 <NGC3982> I'm not even changing town, so I guess I'm on the limit of actually commuting 15:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> my commute is ~20 minutes by car or ~50 minutes by bus 15:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> for a while i had to commute 40 minutes by car or 2 hours by bus/train 15:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and 2 hours is definitely beyond being practical 15:08:56 <Rubidium> ~17 minutes by train, ~30 minutes by bus, ~20 minutes by bike 15:09:09 <Alberth> ~40 minutes walking :p 15:09:43 <Rubidium> and ~20 minutes by car 15:09:59 <NGC3982> I can hardly see two hour commuting being economical too 15:10:07 <NGC3982> BT least around here 15:11:32 <NGC3982> lets say I would commute this distance every day. VÀxjö > Malmö 30 day commuting pass costs 3200 kronor 15:12:38 <NGC3982> About 480 US dollars. 15:13:42 <NGC3982> That's equivalent to the rent of a smaller apartment. 15:13:50 <NGC3982> :E 15:15:11 <Rubidium> many (mostly) male Japanese have a wife and kids in 'the country' and work in the city where they sleep in capsule hotels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsule_hotel 15:17:02 <NGC3982> As a , swedeI would say that the Japanese worker lifestyle is a bit too sacrificing. 15:18:14 <NGC3982> Sure, the respect for hard work is admirable, but that's just too much 15:18:33 <Rubidium> living in Tokyo is extremely expensive 15:18:35 <NGC3982> As a swede * 15:18:40 <Rubidium> or at least housing 15:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so they are weekend-commuters? 15:21:40 <Rubidium> Japan even has (or had?) the busiest airline connection; over 50 flights per direction per day between Tokyo and Sapporo 15:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: i know people who commute Magdeburg-Hannover, because in Magdeburg the rents are sooo much lower 15:22:37 <Rubidium> those are, but before you are really out of Tokyo you're a few hours further ;) 15:23:26 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I see. What distances? 15:24:01 <Rubidium> 150k? 15:24:17 <NGC3982> Christ. 15:24:34 <Rubidium> hmm, that's 15m in Sweden, right? 15:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> scandinavian miles are 10km, i once read 15:25:16 <NGC3982> The job better be great. 15:25:17 <NGC3982> That's like four hours of commuting a day. 15:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 150km isn't that bad because it's mostly autobahn 15:25:39 <NGC3982> And not much of a life. 15:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> which means it's 1:30 or something 15:26:05 <NGC3982> Oh, well. 15:27:37 <NGC3982> I guess that's not that bad 15:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say it's borderline 15:27:59 <Rubidium> apparantly only 4.000 EUR/year for a train ticket, whereas DB says almost 18.000 EUR/year for a car 15:28:08 <NGC3982> Though, I've had my share of commuting. 15:28:18 <Kylie> 4.000 = ? 15:28:21 <Kylie> 4,000 ? 15:28:43 <NGC3982> I used to commute about sixty kilometers per day. 15:28:46 <Rubidium> s/\./ / 15:29:01 <NGC3982> And I almost went crazy. 15:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i had to read Kylie's question 5 times and didn't get it until Rubidium's answer 15:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> of course 4000 = 4000... what kind of question is that? :p 15:30:32 <NGC3982> half past three in the morning, junk ass car with no heater, and it was the worst winter since the late 1980's 15:30:51 <NGC3982> Worst days of my life. 15:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> how can a car not have heating? 15:31:09 <Kylie> Eddi|zuHause: i only have seen 4,000 for 4000 so i saw 4.000 as 4.0 like the number 4 15:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the engine's heat must go somewhere, might as well direct it into the car 15:31:56 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Really, really broken. 15:32:36 <NGC3982> The job was hell, and that didn't help. 15:37:14 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-101-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:43 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.83.112] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:13 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:43:18 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.64.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:54 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has joined #openttd 15:46:48 *** CornishPasty [uid158@id-158.hampstead.irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:37 <Zuu_> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks, I was tempted to suggest that he took a better look at the commit log, but your post is better. :-) 15:50:36 *** CornishPasty [uid158@id-158.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:51:37 <Zuu_> Regarding 4000 euro for train ticket, IIRC a yearly ticket for SJ is about the same amount and it give you unlimited of trips. 15:52:05 <Zuu_> (SJ was the swedish equivalent to DB) 15:52:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:52:44 <Zuu_> IIRC they made a limitation that you can only make seat reservations for one train at the time, but that is about it. 15:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> afair a BahnCard 100 cost 400⬠per month (means you can use all trains in germany free of charge) 15:56:01 <Zuu_> So about the same cost then. 15:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a BahnCard 50 giving you 50% off the normal price, and a BahnCard 25 giving you 25% off the normal price or 25% off the special prices (if you reserve more than 3 days ahead, etc.) 15:57:42 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.bahn.de/p/view/bahncard/ueberblick/bahncard100.shtml 15:57:50 <Zuu_> I doubt many people do it, but its an interesting fact that for some of our metropolitan areas its cheaper to buy a such card and then take the evening train in the afternoon and return with the night trains than having an apartment in the city. :-) 15:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> night trains might have extra charge 15:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the cool parts about BahnCard 100 is that it is also valid in tram/bus systems in select cities 16:00:11 <Zuu_> Thats indeed useful. Especially if you also have the same mess with incompatible cards in each region. 16:00:41 <Zuu_> If you want to pay local public transport in Sweden by card you need about 10 different cards in your wallet. 16:01:18 <Zuu_> Each with deposit that you have no clue how much is left on the card. 16:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also book that option with normal (long distance) tickets, for the day of the travel 16:01:56 <Zuu_> Great 16:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's difficult to get that on the way to the station 16:03:03 <Zuu_> oh yes, if you need a physical ticket which you get at the station. 16:04:20 <Zuu_> One of the more interesting thing about SMS tickets here is that your phone must be a swedish registred phone. So all tourists are essentially blocked from using it. 16:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> last i heard was they want to enable online tickets to be valid on the way to the station, but they will have trouble proving the authencity of the ticket 16:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> because the local conductors won't have the same devices to check whether the ticket is valid than a train conductor would 16:06:46 <Zuu_> couldn't you get a local sms ticket if that is available in the community? 16:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that would return you to the problem of having a different system in each city 16:09:35 <Zuu_> Yes, although that would be handled by DB transparently for the passenger. 16:10:01 <Zuu_> The passenger doesn't need to know that DB needs different APIs to talk with the different systems. 16:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently you need at least a BahnCard 25 to get the "City Ticket", and that ticket is valid at the destination city only (but both on the day of the trip and on the day of the return trip) 16:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and the distance between the cities must be over 100km 16:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.bahn.de/p/view/bahncard/vorteile/linkliste_cityticket.shtml <-- and these are the valid cities 16:16:27 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:17:43 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:38 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 16:19:58 <NGC3982> Did Zuu leave? 16:20:24 <NGC3982> That thing with the bus cards is not entirely true 16:20:45 *** Zuu__ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has joined #openttd 16:24:13 <NGC3982> At least not in good time. For instance, the LÀnstrafiken cards can be used with both deposit and free trips per specific number of days. There cards can be used throughout SkÃ¥ne and SmÃ¥land without changing anything . 16:24:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:30 <Zuu__> NGC3982: I'm back. Had to restart my proxy connection. 16:27:10 <Zuu__> NGC3982 With the old magnet cards, you could use the SkÃ¥ne cards in probably half of Götaland. 16:27:42 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:45 <Zuu__> Not sure if the forging county got paid, but it was technically possible to use a card with deposit from eg. SkÃ¥ne in NÀrke. 16:28:21 *** Zuu__ is now known as Zuu_ 16:29:38 <Zuu_> When the new cards was introduced they had the ambition to make a national system for regional travel payment. However, each county added extra features not in the national spec, so there we go.. :-) 16:29:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:00 <Zuu_> On their website they now claim that each county will develop their own system and that they will try to unify them afterwards, which I bet will be hard to accomplish. http://www.svenskkollektivtrafik.se/Resekortet/English/ 16:41:30 *** Mizera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:41:30 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:40 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 16:47:46 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:50:45 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:00:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:00:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:30 *** jose [~chatzilla@brln-4db873e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:48 <jose> Hi, i think i have a noob question... When i create a world, the rails are deactivated(grey??)... How can i build them anyway? 17:07:29 <frosch123> they become available when an locomotive becomes available 17:07:35 <frosch123> you probably started the game too early 17:17:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:18:57 *** Zuu__ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has joined #openttd 17:19:49 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:50 <jose> I o.O 17:19:55 *** Zuu__ is now known as Zuu_ 17:20:01 <jose> started too early? 17:20:43 <Yexo> in the statusbar at the bottom you can see the current game year 17:20:46 <Yexo> what is it? 17:21:45 <jose> aah 17:22:04 <jose> lol. just chose 1900-.- 17:22:17 <Yexo> without any newgrfs there are no vehicles available at that date 17:22:34 <jose> mmh what's the earliest date? 17:22:53 <Yexo> 1930 is reasonable safe 17:23:00 <jose> ok, thanks 17:23:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:26:48 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:28:02 *** Zuu__ [~chatzilla@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 17:31:47 *** Zuu___ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has joined #openttd 17:33:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:34:59 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:00 *** Zuu___ is now known as Zuu_ 17:36:45 *** Zuu__ [~chatzilla@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:17 *** Zuu__ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has joined #openttd 17:39:30 *** keoz [~keikoz@79.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:59 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:00 *** Zuu__ is now known as Zuu_ 17:54:34 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-103-111.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:52 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:22 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-101-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:51 <NGC3982> Bah. 18:01:01 <NGC3982> I love going on trains when they are empty 18:01:05 <NGC3982> Or at least not full 18:01:24 <NGC3982> The trip i had today was crappy and tedious. 18:03:25 <NGC3982> Zuu_: The LÀnstrafiken cards can be used in all of SmÃ¥land (local bus/train traffic (Krösa, Ãstgötapendel, JLF)), SkÃ¥ne (at least the local bus traffic, Ã-tÃ¥g, JoJo and such), and the latter should include NÀrke and all that ..crap. 18:04:27 <NGC3982> Zuu_: For pure experimentation, i have traveled 91 metric miles with the same card. 18:05:41 * Rubidium wonders who actually uses metric miles 18:06:01 <NGC3982> (Ok, not that pure, i actually had to travel the distances. 18:06:02 <NGC3982> ) 18:06:27 <__ln__> I guess swedes do. They also use hectograms. 18:07:08 <NGC3982> Let me explain: 18:07:10 <NGC3982> "The United States is the only industrialized country that does not use the metric system as its official system of measurement" 18:07:13 <NGC3982> ;-) 18:07:33 <NGC3982> Although, i guess the metric mile part is a scandinavian thing. 18:08:01 <Rubidium> Metric mile is a distance which approximates one statute mile (1609.344 m) at a round figure of metres (the SI or metric unit of length). <- i.e. it is 1600 or 1500m 18:08:08 <NGC3982> I see. 18:08:12 <NGC3982> I was using it incorrectly. 18:08:31 <NGC3982> The raw translation of "Metrisk mil" is metric mile, but it does not seem to mean the same thing. 18:08:38 <NGC3982> "En mil" > 10km 18:10:11 <__ln__> I don't know if Danes or Norwegians use it, but Finns certainly don't. 18:12:05 <Zuu_> NGC3982: is a metric mile the 10 km nordic miles? 18:12:25 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@212.28.207.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:34 <NGC3982> Don't take it from me, a metric mile seems to be something else. 18:12:44 <NGC3982> I guess the "nordic mile" is what im talking about 18:12:47 <NGC3982> the 10km one. ;) 18:13:03 <NGC3982> __ln__: What is used instead of hectograms? 18:14:16 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 18:14:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:45 <__ln__> Grams or kilograms. 18:15:21 <NGC3982> No hectogram baking spoons? :> 18:15:29 <NGC3982> Since, that's kind of the only time we use hectograms 18:15:38 <NGC3982> And when to determine prices on lösgodis. 18:17:07 <__ln__> Also for prices of vegetables or fruit. I've witnessed it in SkÃ¥ne. 18:17:28 <NGC3982> Well, that's SkÃ¥ne for you. 18:17:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:d552:949b:43f7:e246] has joined #openttd 18:18:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@2002:4d66:7022:0:d552:949b:43f7:e246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:42 <__ln__> I think I've also seen something like "1 hg" printed on a factory-made godispÃ¥se outside of SkÃ¥ne. 18:18:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:56 <Zuu_> Anyway, going 91 * 10 km on local trains/buses (with connections I assume) as one trip is insane :-) 18:19:03 <NGC3982> Yes, for some reason it's very usual when handling candy. 18:19:09 <NGC3982> As said, lösgodis. 18:19:23 <NGC3982> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rJxhRaL67Tk/SRZ-cqBYoCI/AAAAAAAAAHE/WUeKMMH5bNs/s400/godis_14242576.jpg 18:20:07 *** jose [~chatzilla@brln-4db873e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:12 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-62-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:21:26 <__ln__> Oh, pardon all my non-English; 'SkÃ¥ne' is actuall 'Scania' in English. 18:21:30 <__ln__> +y 18:21:36 <NGC3982> You should say SkÃ¥ne 18:21:43 <NGC3982> Since Scania is something else. 18:22:53 <Zuu_> Given the off-topicness tonight it is quite clear that __ln__ isn't talking about trucks. 18:22:59 <NGC3982> Hehe 18:23:00 <NGC3982> Well 18:23:18 <NGC3982> I have actually been in a situation before, where people think im talking about work and not where im from. 18:23:39 <NGC3982> That said, one out of ten thousand swedes know that SkÃ¥ne = Scania 18:24:22 <Zuu_> I think it is far more known. 18:24:31 <Rubidium> even I know it 18:24:43 <Rubidium> and I'm not even a Swede 18:24:45 <NGC3982> Believe me, i have tried it. 18:24:49 <NGC3982> Yes, of course 18:25:08 <NGC3982> I'd bet you a nickel that more non-swedes know about it, then actual swedes. 18:25:33 <Kjetil> why would you bet a nickel ? 18:25:38 <Kjetil> why not a cent ? 18:26:10 * NGC3982 hits the great autism gong-gong. 18:26:11 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-35-157.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:56 <Kjetil> Or do you still have öre in sweden ? 18:27:11 <NGC3982> No, we don't. 18:27:13 <Zuu_> Yes and no 18:27:22 <NGC3982> Yes? 18:27:27 <Zuu_> All öre coins are invalid 18:27:47 <NGC3982> If you are refering to the marketing of .98 öre and such, that hardly qualifies as "usage". :) 18:27:50 <Zuu_> But its still the name of whats after the decimal point when you pay by card. 18:28:46 <NGC3982> Zuu_: Really? I thought Riksbanken was quite clear on that the ,xx is parts of a krona, and not öre. 18:28:51 <Zuu_> Eg. electronic payments of öre is still possible. 18:29:03 <NGC3982> But that might just be semantics. 18:29:08 <Zuu_> Maybe 18:29:22 <Zuu_> I might have missed that. 18:29:26 <NGC3982> People barely use the krona currency, as far as i see it.. 18:29:32 <NGC3982> enkrona* 18:30:26 <Kjetil> Is it the same as in Norway, where the government basicly claims that only criminals use cash, and it should be removed ? 18:30:42 <__ln__> Kjetil: Do you use this funny "mil = 10 km" unit in the kingdom of Norway? 18:30:53 <Kjetil> __ln__: Yes. We do! 18:30:57 <NGC3982> Zuu_: Nope, you are correct. The Wiki states that Ãre is no longer a currency, but still used in payment calculation. 18:31:00 <NGC3982> Kjetil: yehey! \o/ 18:31:14 <Zuu_> :-D 18:31:27 <NGC3982> Norweigans though sound like they are getting something cold up their but when they pronounce it. 18:31:30 <NGC3982> ;) 18:31:35 <NGC3982> butt* 18:31:37 <Kjetil> And I have also fallen into the metric mile trap once 18:31:58 <NGC3982> Kjetil: Yeah, the translation of the term makes a mess. 18:31:58 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:32:56 <Kjetil> Yeah. I guess there is not translation of it 18:33:16 <Kjetil> no* 18:33:27 <Rubidium> Kjetil: so the Norwegian government claims that most Norwegians are (former) criminals for having handled with cash? 18:34:31 <NGC3982> As far as i know, the Norweigan (and Swedish) government does not think normal people need to use large stacks of cash. 18:34:35 <NGC3982> And i guess that is true. 18:35:05 <Supercheese> What would be the definition for "normal people"? 18:35:06 <NGC3982> Although, cash payments are still very usable. Just look at the lösgodis reference with __ln__ a few lines up. 18:35:15 <Kjetil> Rubidium: nah. They claim that currently honest people mostly use electronic ways of payment. And only criminals really have use for cash 18:35:49 <NGC3982> Supercheese: Everyone using a bank with internet connectivity, and people not having their own business. 18:36:29 <Kjetil> What they don't mention is tall all payments will then be recorded and stored in the banking databases 18:36:57 <planetmaker> good evening 18:36:59 <NGC3982> That seems self explanatory 18:37:08 <Zuu_> Hello planetmaker 18:37:14 <NGC3982> Evening PM. 18:37:24 <Kjetil> That the government have warrantless access to 18:37:48 <NGC3982> Kjetil: Yes, of course. What's the issue? 18:38:02 <Supercheese> Government would then try to outlaw cash 18:38:07 <Zuu_> planetmaker: Welcome to the off-topic evening :-) 18:38:14 <__ln__> Privacy is so obsolete. 18:38:41 <Kjetil> NGC3982: not everyone is comfortable with the government looking over everyones shoulder :P 18:39:42 <Supercheese> I'd say most people would rather have the government stay out of their business as much as possible 18:39:51 <NGC3982> Me neither, but the security of the digital currency system is incomparable. 18:39:55 <Supercheese> but then again, I'm American ;) 18:40:07 <NGC3982> Yes, of course. Im up for that too 18:40:10 <__ln__> If there was a possibility to click a "Share on Facebook" button after making money transfers online, I bet a lot of people would click. 18:40:16 <NGC3982> But someone does need to control the flow of taxes. 18:40:23 <planetmaker> off-topic evening? sounds like fund ;-) 18:40:28 <planetmaker> *fun 18:40:36 <Supercheese> actually we are discussing funds :P 18:40:39 <NGC3982> Heh, fund. An unintentioal pun. 18:40:40 <NGC3982> :D 18:40:43 <NGC3982> +n 18:41:05 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:00 <__ln__> "Joe's bank account balance is now -21,33 â¬" -> "Share on Facebook" -> "Like" 18:43:11 <Supercheese> Oy vey... 18:43:31 * Supercheese avoids Facebook 18:44:01 <Alberth> not "Like" facebook eh? :D 18:44:02 <Supercheese> I also subscribe to the Antisocial Adblock filter list 18:44:41 <Supercheese> "Go away Facebook et al." in essence 18:46:05 * NGC3982 likes Facebook. 18:47:21 <__ln__> I think Stasi was doing it all wrong, spying people and their mail... They could have just set up a web based service where people can upload their photos and tell who they know, where they've been meeting and when; tell about their interests and daily life. 18:47:47 <NGC3982> That is an obsolete way of thinking about Facebook 18:47:52 <__ln__> Too bad the web wasn't invented yet, but they could have come up with something. 18:47:52 * andythenorth likes Facebook, but not arbitrary code that follows me around the web 18:47:53 <NGC3982> People still share what they want to share. 18:47:55 <NGC3982> Blame the people. 18:47:57 <andythenorth> which is what like buttons do 18:48:16 <Supercheese> __ln__: spot on! 18:48:22 <Zuu_> unless you block them 18:48:27 <Zuu_> (the like buttons) 18:48:51 <Supercheese> yep, that's what the antisocial filter list does 18:48:59 <Supercheese> or at least tries to do 18:49:06 <NGC3982> I use facebook often and regular. 18:49:22 <__ln__> NGC3982: Not quite true. People also share what their friends want to share about them. E.g. your location at some time, pointing out your face in a photo, etc. 18:49:24 <andythenorth> me too 18:49:46 <NGC3982> __ln__: Yes, sure. How would you prevent that? 18:50:14 *** Zuu_ [~chatzilla@static-88.131.62.36.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 18:50:35 <Supercheese> Yeah, I'd rather not have people sharing their photos of me, tagging my face, and explaining everything about the photo on Facebook or other extremely public venue without my consent 18:50:39 <__ln__> NGC3982: For example by allowing people to only add such metadata about themselves. 18:50:49 <Supercheese> if I was at some event and had my face in a photo 18:50:53 <NGC3982> Yeah, sure. That's a way. 18:50:56 <andythenorth> anyway, don't confuse the wholesale collection of personal data by corporations (google, FB) with oppressive regimes that have legalised torture 18:51:04 <andythenorth> one is insidious, the other horrific 18:51:09 <NGC3982> I guess that would make people a bit angry. 18:51:16 *** nellbones [41066985@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:53 *** nellbones [41066985@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 18:53:05 * Supercheese eats delicious, warm buttered toast 18:53:17 <Supercheese> not that silly stone-cold stuff they serve in the UK 18:54:08 <__ln__> Facebook must be a great source of data for automatic face recognition at borders and other places. 18:55:42 <NGC3982> The thing is 18:55:52 <NGC3982> And im sorry, this will be hard for me to explain in english 18:56:42 <NGC3982> ..So ill skip it. 18:56:59 <NGC3982> I want to make a choo-choo NewGRF with PMs face on the front of the train. 18:57:05 <NGC3982> But i don't have enough pixles :( 18:57:15 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 18:57:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:57:37 <__ln__> NGC3982: Try some other language then. 18:57:55 <Supercheese> You'll have to deliver more raw materials to the pixel factory to get more pixels, then 18:57:59 <Supercheese> :P 18:58:00 <NGC3982> Well, i guess you can correct me. 18:58:05 <NGC3982> You are usually good at that. 18:58:53 <NGC3982> Well, the thing is. Regulating how people are allowed to upload pictures of anyone anywhere, probably creates more havok then actually allowing governments to use Facebook (and similar) to map out their own people. 18:59:12 <NGC3982> True or not, that is at least what i think most people will feel. 18:59:35 <Supercheese> I wouldn't advocate *regulating* photo uploading 18:59:54 <__ln__> *havoc, *than 19:00:05 <NGC3982> \o/ 19:00:17 <NGC3982> I actually knew about hacov.. :( 19:00:20 *** glx is now known as Guest919 19:00:20 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d53:a5d8:2705:6a02] has joined #openttd 19:00:20 *** glx_ is now known as glx 19:00:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:00:52 <NGC3982> Supercheese: Well, the only issue i personally feel agitated about, is the fact that taking a photo of anyone seems to be much less serious then it actually is. 19:01:27 <Supercheese> It's not the taking of the photo that's an issue, it's how it's shared (lots of it'ses :P) 19:01:29 <NGC3982> Writing a persons name on a concrete wall is frowned upon, but taking a picture on the person (drunk, puking or nearly dead) seems unharmful. 19:01:41 <NGC3982> Yes, that's kind of what i mean. 19:02:29 <Supercheese> Basically, if you would require consent from the person in the photo to publish the photo in a magazine, you must also obtain consent before publishing it anywhere on the Internet 19:02:33 <Supercheese> that's how I see things 19:02:57 <peter1138> So how is OpenTTD these days? 19:03:09 <Supercheese> of course, most often people publish without first obtaining consent, hence the issues 19:03:27 <Rubidium> peter1138: according to the forum it's dead/dieing 19:03:41 <Supercheese> yeah, that silly fellow who wouldn't read the article linked to him 19:03:50 <Supercheese> :( 19:03:54 <Kylie> Rubidium: whhat do you mean that wee are dying? 19:03:59 <Kylie> I am confused 19:04:18 <Rubidium> read the forum 19:04:21 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=62853 19:04:26 <Supercheese> to be specific 19:04:40 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=62853#p1049282 19:04:44 <Supercheese> to be super-specific 19:04:55 <NGC3982> OpenTTD will NEVER die. 19:04:59 <NGC3982> Not if i can help it. 19:05:09 * NGC3982 still doesn't have a forum account. 19:05:16 <NGC3982> Supercheese: Well, you ..do? 19:05:33 <Supercheese> I don't upload photos of people to the Internet 19:05:42 <Supercheese> (if that's what you were asking) 19:05:43 <NGC3982> Supercheese: Afaik, the swedish laws regulating picture consent applies both to internet and magazines. 19:06:10 <Supercheese> Sounds reasonable 19:06:15 *** Guest919 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d53:a5d8:2705:6a02] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:59 <Supercheese> My guess would be that law is not well followed w.r.t. Facebook, and barely enforced, if at all 19:07:10 <NGC3982> They can't be 19:07:17 <NGC3982> Nobody would ever have the time to control it 19:07:21 <Supercheese> exactly 19:07:39 <NGC3982> And yes, i can't really say im for or against in this. 19:07:44 <Supercheese> if you're wondering what I would suggest to solve the issue, I have no idea 19:07:55 <NGC3982> Taking pictures should be easy, and non-byrocratic 19:07:59 <Supercheese> people should optimally just obey the laws because they're good, intelligent people 19:08:18 <NGC3982> But at the same time, i feel the same way as you, not wanting to be a part of something you actively didn't wish to be a part of. 19:08:18 <Supercheese> but the world is far from perfect 19:08:24 <NGC3982> Indeed. 19:08:27 <NGC3982> Like __ln__ 19:08:39 <NGC3982> He's from Finland. He's far from perfect. 19:09:44 <Supercheese> :rolleyes: 19:10:13 <Supercheese> hmm, wonder if there is an IRC smiley for that (or is that all client-dependent) 19:10:38 <Kylie> Supercheese: client-dependent 19:10:46 <Supercheese> yeah, makes sense 19:10:48 <NGC3982> There are no smileys on IRC. 19:11:04 <peter1138> There is one. 19:11:07 <Supercheese> Well even plain text has smileys 19:11:20 <Supercheese> clients just may interpret them graphically, it seems 19:11:22 * NGC3982 adds 'animated' 19:11:32 <NGC3982> That's why i love irssi. 19:11:44 <NGC3982> No fuzz or twat-face graphics. 19:11:46 *** V453000 [~V453000@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:06 * Supercheese uses ChatZilla and likes the graphical emoticons 19:12:39 <NGC3982> https://addons.cdn.mozilla.net/img/uploads/previews/full/41/41015.png?modified=1331247702 19:12:42 <NGC3982> Something like that? 19:12:55 <NGC3982> It looks kind of nice. Almost like the older mIRC schemes. 19:12:55 <Supercheese> yep, my font is different 19:13:00 <Supercheese> but that's basically what I use 19:13:09 *** SmatZ [~smatz@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:10 <peter1138> Graphical emoticons ruin the spirit of it :p 19:13:19 *** avdg [~avdg@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:24 <NGC3982> Indeed. 19:13:29 <Supercheese> :( 19:13:33 <NGC3982> I use irssi with ignore on parts, modes, quits and similar. 19:13:38 <Supercheese> :< , even 19:13:46 <peter1138> And usually stumble upon things like (i + 8) 19:13:59 <Supercheese> yep, those are annoying 19:14:07 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/BqUxe.png 19:14:25 <NGC3982> irssi + shell <3 19:14:26 *** tneo [~tneo@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:59 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:00 *** Osai [~Osai@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:00 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:15 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:29 *** XeryusTC_ [~XeryusTC@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:30 *** Yexo [~Yexo@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:34 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:24 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:18:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:22:12 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:22:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:29 <__ln__> who's the new dev? 19:25:46 *** planet [b20b5252@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:27 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:26:53 <Supercheese> Hmm, can't reach the devzone 19:26:58 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:26:58 *** SmatZ [~smatz@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:27:13 <Supercheese> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfdev 19:27:28 *** Yexo [~Yexo@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:27:28 *** avdg [~avdg@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:27:48 * NGC3982 can't reach downforeveryoneorjustme. 19:27:53 <Supercheese> lol 19:27:58 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:28:08 <NGC3982> http://www.baristashopen.se/kaffe/vara-kategorier/kaffebryggare/sifon-hario-syphon-brewer-kaffe-sifon-5kopp.php 19:28:11 <NGC3982> Oops 19:28:24 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest923 19:28:28 *** tneo [~tneo@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:28:57 *** Osai [~Osai@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 19:30:57 *** XeryusTC_ [~XeryusTC@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:31:27 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:31:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 19:31:57 *** V453000 [~V453000@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:32:29 *** Guest923 is now known as planetmaker 19:33:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-120-73.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:07 *** planet [b20b5252@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:40:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C48F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:43:55 <heffer> anyone bored tonight? i got this for you: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863818 :P 19:46:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C75E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:29 <planetmaker> I wouldn't believe it, but seems even all NewGRFs are available on bananas, heffer :-) 19:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll become more and more common, the more and more new players come in which have no knowledge of out-of-bananas grfs 19:54:08 <FLHerne> Or simply can't be bothered to deal with them :P 19:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> crash_function: pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 <-- that sounds evil 19:54:39 * FLHerne doesn't care enough, other than FISH/FIRS nightlies ;-) 19:54:46 <FLHerne> Oh, and NewStations 19:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> see... 19:55:34 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: See what? 19:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> for "not bother" those are already way too many 19:56:17 <FLHerne> When BaNaNaS gets linked to the DevZone and mblunck can be persuaded to use it, I'll never need anything else :P 19:56:40 * FLHerne wants a 'download nightlies from devzone' config otion :-) 19:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> both are really unlikely to happen... especially not at the same time :p 19:57:01 <planetmaker> I can imagine one of the two happening. But not both 19:57:36 <FLHerne> Have the first one at the option of the creator :P 19:57:47 <FLHerne> On by default of course... 19:58:09 <planetmaker> FLHerne, I rather want two things in the devzone: 19:58:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:58:24 <planetmaker> a) being able to edit your newgrf source in the browser 19:58:43 <planetmaker> b) being able to hit a compile butten 19:59:00 <FLHerne> planetmaker: Add all of them :P 19:59:12 * FLHerne is a consumer more often :P 19:59:13 <planetmaker> and maybe, just maybe, the option to select a tag to be uploaded to bananas. That's the most complicated of all of the three then 19:59:25 <frosch123> [21:54] <Eddi|zuHause> crash_function: pthread_cond_wait@@GLIBC_2.3.2 <-- that sounds evil <- you're looking at the wrong thread 19:59:30 <frosch123> the other one is the one that crashed 20:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the screenshot looks like it crashed mid-drawing 20:01:12 <frosch123> yes, when drawing a groundsprite 20:06:16 <heffer> i always quite enjoy when i post a bugreport and you guys play sherlock holmes on it :) since i'm not that good at debugging i always can learn from you guys :) 20:06:52 <frosch123> i am actually impressed by how many information is contained in that reprot 20:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> reads like a 32bpp-only issue 20:08:17 <heffer> well it's generated by out automatic bug reporting tool (abrt) which tries to collect all useful information (like core dumps, etc.) 20:08:26 * Rubidium misses drwatson 20:08:29 <heffer> and i also always ask for the crash.log files 20:08:46 <planetmaker> :-) 20:08:48 <frosch123> so, let's get ogfx 988 20:09:16 <planetmaker> 0.4.5 20:09:44 <frosch123> is that written somewhere? or do you know that :) 20:09:57 <planetmaker> hg tags :-) 20:10:54 <planetmaker> and I didn't exactly know, but suspected a release version 20:11:24 <Rubidium> does 0.4.5 set the 32bpp blitter? 20:11:36 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:54 <planetmaker> It shouldn't set it. The extra is a v7 NewGRF still 20:12:52 <frosch123> sprite 7382 seems to be a river slope then 20:12:53 <heffer> if the guy got everything from the fedora repos he'd be using 0.4.4. I only pushed 0.4.5 to the repos on thursday and it's in testing for another 14 days or so 20:13:31 <heffer> if he's using 0.4.5 he probably got it from bananas 20:13:35 <planetmaker> heffer, he could have updated with ingame download 20:14:12 <planetmaker> 0.4.5 won't help the users with release openttd anyway :-) 20:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> heffer: it says the revision in the crash.log, so there's very little debate about what he actually uses :) 20:14:29 <heffer> okay :) 20:14:45 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:15:07 <Snail> hi guys 20:15:37 <frosch123> ok, it crashed on drawing the river slope where the river goes into the sea 20:15:38 <Snail> I'm still trying to exchange randomly-generated graphics for push-pull service 20:15:55 *** Mizera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:02 <planetmaker> hm.... /me checks that opengfx code 20:16:10 <Snail> I'm now trying to set the graphics of a certain vehicle according to the random bits of another vehicle, read by var61 20:16:22 <frosch123> planetmaker: it does not crash for me currently 20:16:28 <Snail> my question is, what would be the random bits of a vehicle, based on random action 2? 20:16:29 <frosch123> but maybe i should start valgrind 20:17:07 <planetmaker> frosch123, nor does it for me. Not even the crash.sav 20:17:07 <Snail> i.e. would they be 00 ... 7F, 80 ... FF for two random sets etc.? 20:17:35 <planetmaker> Snail, var. 5F or so 20:17:44 <frosch123> Snail: just whatever you set in the ra2 20:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Snail: i asked myself that once, but didn't find a documented answer 20:17:54 <frosch123> you explicitly set the startbit 20:17:59 <frosch123> and the number of cases 20:18:07 <heffer> I'll run it on my fedora machine to see if it crashes for me 20:18:19 <Eddi|zuHause> especially rounding in case of non-power-of-two 20:19:01 <Snail> frosch123: yes, in ra2 I set the number of cases 20:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i then gave up looking, because i didn't actually need it 20:19:19 <Snail> but then in var5F (through var61) I need to check the exact random bit pattern 20:19:38 <planetmaker> var & 0x01 20:19:43 <planetmaker> checks for the last bit 20:19:44 <frosch123> Snail: so, how many cases? 2? then that would be one bit 20:19:46 <Snail> so I'd like to know what will be the random bit pattern with respect to the cases I identify 20:19:48 <planetmaker> mask out as appropriate 20:20:00 <frosch123> (var7f >> (the first bit from ra2)) & (number of cases - 1) 20:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the number of cases is independent from the number of bits 20:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you can have 3 cases with 2 bit, and 3 cases with 8 bit 20:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the latter being less uneven in its distribution 20:20:52 <frosch123> no, you cannot 20:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you sure? 20:21:17 <frosch123> "Number of different sets to choose from. This must be a power of 2, i.e. 2, 4, 8, 16 etc. " <- from the specs 20:21:22 <frosch123> you are confusing it with townnames 20:21:31 <frosch123> and ottd does just this: mask = (this->num_groups - 1) << this->lowest_randbit; 20:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> then nml might mask this with some additional magic 20:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but Snail isn't using nml, he's using m4nfo (i presume) 20:23:02 <Snail> yes I'm using m4nfo 20:23:24 <frosch123> [22:20] <frosch123> (var7f >> (the first bit from ra2)) & (number of cases - 1) <- that still holds 20:23:35 <frosch123> s/var7f/var5f/ of course 20:23:55 <Snail> frosch123: so 2 cases would act on bit0? 20:24:16 <frosch123> 2 cases would use 1 bit, specified by the "first bit to use" 20:24:27 <Snail> i.e. 0000 0000, 0000 0010 etc. would be the first case and 0000 0001, 0000 0011 etc would be the second case? 20:24:42 <Snail> oh, with "first bit to use" being the other input of ra2? 20:24:45 <frosch123> yes, if you use bit 0 as start 20:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> so put "first bit to use" in the shift, and 0x01 in the and mask 20:25:25 <Snail> so with four cases, if I specify bit0 as start, it will use bit0 and bit1, right? 20:25:34 <frosch123> yes 20:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, put 0x03 as mask in that case 20:26:19 <heffer> i can't make it crash either 20:27:04 <Snail> ok, I'll it this way :) 20:36:15 <__ln__> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/480373_10152114707610942_1667621231_n.jpg 20:37:13 <NGC3982> Heh. 20:37:25 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:49 * Rubidium doesn't like heffer's unreproducable crashes ;) 20:41:39 <heffer> I believe it's a Fedora thing. As our abrt tool asks user to report them. Otherwise those users would probably just restart their OpenTTD and forget about the bug :P 20:42:26 <planetmaker> well. obviously openttd crashed - which it shouldn't. But... 20:42:38 <planetmaker> ... unreproducable makes it a hard issue :-) 20:43:45 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:45:39 <frosch123> ottd in valgrind is so slow :/ 20:52:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has joined #openttd 21:05:41 <Rubidium> frosch123: how much of zbase has it scanned already ;) 21:06:03 <frosch123> no zbase installed :) 21:06:24 <frosch123> anyway, valgrind does not print anything, at whateer zoomlevel i look at that rvier 21:08:19 *** SpComb^_ [~terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:09:02 <frosch123> so, out of ideas 21:09:29 <Rubidium> it's corruption somewhere 21:09:41 <Rubidium> either in physical memory 21:09:50 <Rubidium> or by the sprite cache code 21:10:09 <Rubidium> maybe something fishy in the sprite (re)loading? 21:10:21 <Rubidium> and/or cache maintenaince 21:10:26 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-ff11c100-110.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:41 *** Jupix [~jupix@88.193.17.110] has joined #openttd 21:11:07 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i got evil things once while modifying the GRF while openttd was running 21:11:37 <frosch123> no surprise 21:11:44 <frosch123> unlink the grf first, before modifying 21:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i since learned to do reload_newgrfs before unpausing 21:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause> not as easy, as openttd only sees the symlink to my development dir 21:13:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least that was the thing i thought was the reason) 21:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause> grfcodec should rename the old file and create a new file 21:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and if openttd doesn't keep the file open, but closes and reopens it infrequently 21:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> then there is no chance to prevent this 21:17:35 <Rubidium> can't remember grfcodec causing the issues; with nml I had it way more often 21:17:46 <Rubidium> but nml fixed that, which I really like 21:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember if that was before or after i switched to grfcodec 21:22:24 <frosch123> night 21:22:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7e37.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:52 <Wolf01> 'night 21:29:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:33:31 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:39:40 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:43:26 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc11-pres16-2-0-cust203.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:58:56 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:59:02 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:42 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:06 <__ln__> all the swedes sleeping already? 22:11:15 *** keoz [~keikoz@79.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 22:11:49 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:14:20 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc11-pres16-2-0-cust203.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 22:15:47 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc7-pres16-2-0-cust242.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:15:47 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc7-pres16-2-0-cust242.18-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:16:51 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:20 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> we should go back to the times when you went sleeping at sundown, and wake up at sunrise 22:38:19 <Supercheese> pfff, haha 22:38:22 <Supercheese> good joke 22:38:26 <Supercheese> ;) 22:38:26 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-62-174.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:32 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-103-111.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:44 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-103-111.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:45:30 <__ln__> it's been said that earlier used to sleep for ~4 hours first, then wake up for an hour or two, and sleep some more before morning 22:45:39 <__ln__> *people used to 22:46:00 <Supercheese> before electricity, yeah I dunno what I would have done 22:46:23 <__ln__> and has been claimed that's the natural rhythm for humans, and electric lights messed it up 22:46:24 <Supercheese> become a military officer perhaps, then schedule is very rigid 22:53:22 <__ln__> going to sleep at sundown is good as long as it happens every night, but when the sun doesn't set in several weeks, it can be a problem. 23:06:22 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@5.9.88.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:22 *** Yexo [~Yexo@5.9.88.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:22 *** tneo [~tneo@5.9.88.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:22 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@5.9.88.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:22 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@5.9.88.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:22 *** avdg [~avdg@5.9.88.173] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:23 *** SmatZ [~smatz@5.9.88.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:54 *** Osai [~Osai@5.9.88.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:09 *** V453000 [~V453000@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:10 *** Osai [~Osai@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:10:10 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:10:40 *** SmatZ [~smatz@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:11:11 *** avdg [~avdg@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:11:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:11:20 *** XeryusTC_ [~XeryusTC@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:40 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:12:04 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest942 23:12:10 *** tneo [~tneo@5.9.88.173] has joined #openttd 23:13:02 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:40 *** V453000 [~V453000@bnc.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:18:10 *** XeryusTC_ [~XeryusTC@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:18:18 *** WoneGacko [~gonewacko@524A7DE2.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:18:36 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:18:40 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 23:18:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 23:25:09 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@524A7DE2.cm-4-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-155-37.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.10.233] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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