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Log for #openttd on 11th October 2012:
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01:54:15  <supermop> hi
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06:39:31  <Terkhen> good morning
06:39:42  <Supercheese> salve
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08:37:36  <peter1138> Czy mogę zadać pytanie na temat najnowszej wersji najnowszej?
08:38:36  <szaman> chyab tak ale in english
08:39:11  <__ln__> Gesundheit.
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08:39:28  <planetmaker> Moin
08:45:39  <peter1138> Ale ja lubię łamania zasad w temacie kanału
08:46:58  <szaman> 'lubisz łamanie' czy 'nie lubisz łamania' ?
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08:48:56  <peter1138> Lubisz łamanie, oczywiście :-)
08:49:18  <__ln__> Zdezynfekowano.
08:49:28  <peter1138> Dobra, jestem znudzony Google Translate teraz.
08:50:19  <szaman> you are the bored google translator now? :]
08:50:53  <peter1138> Approximately
08:51:35  <szaman> you can't use google translate to speak polish, it outputs garbage in most cases
08:51:49  <szaman> like every slavic language i think
08:51:53  <peter1138> I know.
08:52:01  <planetmaker> *every language ;-)
08:52:03  <__ln__> it looked convincing though.
08:52:13  <peter1138> Exactly, planetmaker.
08:53:44  <__ln__> Google should train their translator monkeys/gnomes better.
08:59:07  <szaman> so we had our lesson, don't use google translate to translate openttd :]
09:06:14  <NGC3982> Morning.
09:11:03  <peter1138> Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads.
09:11:09  <peter1138> Fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!
09:12:27  <planetmaker> szaman, that's why we usually only want native speakers to be translators (though we have no means to check that) :-)
09:12:54  <szaman> peter1138: you mean to eat 'ukha' ? :]
09:13:32  <peter1138> The UK Housekeepers Association?
09:14:01  <szaman> clear Russian soup, made from various types of fish, fish heads including
09:14:13  <peter1138> Lovely.
09:14:20  <peter1138> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTpUVAcvWfU
09:16:56  <szaman> well, it looks like they don't know that fish heads are eated usually in soup
09:17:38  <peter1138> __ln__ to the rescue?
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09:26:35  <peter1138> There's no pirate translation :-(
09:29:02  <NGC3982> fish heads are great for soup
09:30:05  <peter1138> Okay, so is there any good network games going on at the moment?
09:31:12  <planetmaker> I think openttd is going on ;-)
09:31:25  <peter1138> Well I mean of OpenTTD, yes.
09:31:45  <NGC3982> ttd.dndr.se is empty, i guess.
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09:38:18  <NGC3982> Wait what.
09:38:22  <NGC3982> It's not even running.
09:38:26  <NGC3982> I have broken something. ;_;
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09:46:01  <peter1138> That'll be why it's empty.
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09:54:06  <__ln__> szaman: *eaten
09:54:33  <__ln__> excuse my late appearance as i was having a lunch
09:56:33  <NGC3982> What did you have?
09:56:40  <szaman> __ln__: yep, i've realised but was too lazy to correct myself :P
09:58:16  <__ln__> NGC3982: chinese food
09:58:53  <NGC3982> Ah, nice.
09:59:00  <NGC3982> Im going to have a sallad in a few minutes.
09:59:07  <__ln__> *salad
09:59:18  <__ln__> and *I'm
09:59:37  <NGC3982> I'm the only supervisor here today, and i don't think i'll have time to eat properly.
09:59:41  <szaman> there is metallica song about salad
09:59:57  <NGC3982> szaman: Enter sandman? *badum tiss*
10:00:21  <szaman> I f*ck this! I f*ck that! Salad! Salad!
10:02:51  <NGC3982> :(
10:03:05  <NGC3982> Mr Cabbagehead feels very offended.
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10:04:41  <szaman> well, today is the day of Mr Fishhead, so i don't feel guilty
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10:54:28  <peter1138> hmm, #openttdcoop public server using a non-bananas newgrf :-(
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11:03:21  <NGC3982> :3
11:04:39  <peter1138> 3:
11:04:42  <Knogle> I never understood that smiley, it looks like you've balls in your face.
11:07:38  <SpComb> (:
11:11:34  <peter1138> :³
11:12:40  <peter1138> ☺
11:15:05  <peter1138> Ɛ:
11:15:53  <peter1138> ö
11:20:33  <peter1138> ⍢
11:20:48  <peter1138> ⍚
11:21:12  <fonsinchen> unicode kills smilies.
11:22:19  <dada__> (Ž・ω・)
11:23:47  <Eddi|zuHause> that is definitely _not_ a face...
11:24:21  <peter1138> ⢈⣹
11:25:20  <peter1138> ⵓⵔ
11:25:50  <dada__> 凞(△Ž
11:26:22  <Eddi|zuHause> :ö:
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11:46:08  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1049741#p1049741 I guess I'm trolling. But I enjoy it :-)
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12:20:51  <peter1138> It ain't that clever.
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12:38:23  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if you're playing on the "data" directory being replaced, that doesn't even make sense, because it is still being supported for backwards compatibility
12:48:15  <dada__> hahaha he said "contact a developer for help" :)
12:48:22  <dada__> not noticing the "openttd developer" user title
12:52:52  <planetmaker> dada__, he does know
12:53:19  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, not playing that (yet) :-P
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13:07:48  <peter1138> What are you "playing" on then?
13:09:11  <planetmaker> all the pitfalls in manual installation ;-) Nothing I said is invented. It's all a replay from cases I tried to help solve
13:11:47  <peter1138> I for one am very not impressed with devs trolling like that.
13:15:25  <planetmaker> yes. Sadly you don't handle all the support requests for manual installation and where to find non-bananas newgrfs either, though
13:16:43  <planetmaker> where this is an illustrations where things do go wrong. regularily
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13:19:58  <Belugas> hello
13:20:07  <peter1138> Sir Belugas!
13:21:12  <Belugas> hi hi sir :)
13:23:14  <planetmaker> hi Belugas
13:25:28  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause: I provided a dirty hack? Hmm...
13:25:41  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: a veeeery long time ago
13:30:11  <Belugas> sir maker :)
13:31:06  <Eddi|zuHause> [Di Nov 7 2006] [13:37:51] <peter1138>  Eddi|zuHause2: http://fuzzle.org/o/dodgyhack.diff maybe ;p
13:31:49  <peter1138> No longer there...
13:31:58  <V453000> totally not shady and suspicious file name :D
13:32:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i still have the file, but it's probably not very interesting
13:33:27  <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1778/
13:33:39  <peter1138> Ooh, nice :-)
13:34:47  <Eddi|zuHause> also, it was posted at 13:37 ;)
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13:35:12  <peter1138> planetmaker, incidentally, I used to have some patches on the go that would've ultimately supported files contained in zip files...
13:35:30  <planetmaker> well... would be nice, if zips be treated as tars?
13:35:46  <peter1138> No because they're not.
13:36:06  <Eddi|zuHause> temporarily uncompress zip, rar, xz, ... ?
13:36:13  <peter1138> But you probably mean transparently, which was the case.
13:37:25  <Eddi|zuHause> ./openttd: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- i guess i'd have to recompile it :/
13:37:30  <peter1138> Originally I was thinking about mmaped file IO, but it's pointless because most of the time we copy stuff around into memory anyway.
13:40:20  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... about two million warnings
13:40:45  <peter1138> Oh crap, sorry Belugas...
13:41:03  * peter1138 copies a few audio files for previewing purposes.
13:41:17  <Eddi|zuHause> hey, it actually runs
13:41:47  <Belugas> peter1138 : why are you sorry for? audio files? where?
13:41:58  <Belugas> ho... the stuff i sent you a while ago?
13:42:26  <peter1138> Erm
13:42:33  <peter1138> Seems I never got around to listening to much of it.
13:42:43  <peter1138> Last stuff was Led Zep, which was, er, 2010.
13:43:01  <Belugas> hehehe
13:43:45  <peter1138> Good job this is only 30 second tasters of each track... *cough*
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16:27:08  <__ln__> now in english: http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/the-story-of-nokia-meego
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16:41:58  <V453000> andythenorth: did the fruit cargo label in FIRS change?
16:42:15  <V453000> FRUT doesnt seem to be correct, not sure if it was originally
16:42:23  <V453000> but I think it worked
16:42:32  <V453000> oh andy aint here :z
16:42:46  <V453000> anyone knows? :)
16:43:46  <V453000> k FRVG there we go
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17:02:53  <DanMacK> Hey all
17:02:58  <DanMacK> !seen andy
17:05:38  <supermop> hi
17:06:55  <DanMacK> Hey
17:07:08  <DanMacK> I'm a bit behind the times.  You re-released your roundhouses yet?
17:07:36  <Alberth> DanMacK:  andy was here at least yesterday
17:08:11  <DanMacK> cool
17:09:26  <supermop> oh man
17:09:27  <supermop> no
17:09:36  <supermop> i haven't coded anything in so long
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17:09:56  <supermop> and nml can't do stations
17:10:17  <supermop> so working with that batch of nfo is really hard for me
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17:10:52  <supermop> i don't think there is anyone looking to help code it for me either
17:10:53  <Alberth> extend nml with station support first :p
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17:11:08  <supermop> i have no idea how to do that!
17:11:19  <supermop> also as i told andy a week or so ago
17:11:49  <supermop> getting frustrated drawing imaginary toy buildings for me is doubly annoying for me
17:12:04  <supermop> as i am an architect who can't find work in architecture
17:12:17  <supermop> am stuck in furniture
17:12:22  <DanMacK> ick
17:12:46  <supermop> so slogging through train sheds or stations or houses just reminds me of that
17:13:00  <supermop> so i sort of stopped
17:13:21  <supermop> i only played the game again for the first time in a year or so a couple weeks ago
17:13:36  <supermop> as i was on a flight and wanted to try out GS
17:14:23  <DanMacK> I started playing again but the lack of time-period things irritated me, so I stopped :P
17:14:29  <DanMacK> and started drawing again.
17:14:35  <supermop> ah
17:14:55  <supermop> even though i don't work on newgrfs anymore
17:14:58  <DanMacK> If I'm playing 1800 I don't want diesel cranes and stuff
17:15:17  <supermop> i find i cant get through a game without wishing something was different
17:15:25  <DanMacK> Same here
17:15:27  <supermop> so i think about how i would prefer it to be
17:15:38  <supermop> then think about how hard it would be to do that
17:15:53  <supermop> then i just go read or go out for a beer
17:16:33  <DanMacK> heh
17:17:35  <DanMacK> thought about period industries for FIRS?
17:17:58  <supermop> i had an idea for one yesterday but it was silly
17:18:23  <DanMacK> What was that?
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17:19:07  <supermop> fufillment center
17:19:13  <supermop> for 1995 or so on
17:19:25  <supermop> accepts goods, produces mail
17:19:50  <DanMacK> I like it
17:20:25  <supermop> would be easy to draw as well - buildings like that are usually just steel or tilt-slab boxes
17:21:31  <DanMacK> What are you waiting for?  :P
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17:23:17  <supermop> same thing i am waiting for to go to grad school, leave the city, start a design studio, etc
17:23:24  <Wolf01> hello o/
17:24:17  <Alberth> oddink Wolf01
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17:28:55  <supermop> i wish nml did bridges too
17:30:07  <supermop> i thought yesterday about printing a dimetric grid on a piece of 11x17, putting it on my drawing board, then doing free hand pen sketches on tracing paper over it
17:34:21  <DanMacK> to draw TTD buildings you mean?
17:35:14  <supermop> yeah
17:35:21  <supermop> or ttd-ish buildings
17:35:31  <DanMacK> It works well
17:35:36  <supermop> aiming for a house set etc might be too overwhelming
17:35:47  <supermop> but if i have an idea sketch it out
17:35:56  <DanMacK> Talk to Pikka, he may need a few buildinfs
17:36:21  <supermop> later if i want to scan a shoebox full of thumbnail sketches i could hand someone the pngs
17:36:38  <supermop> more like
17:36:57  <supermop> i saw an interesting 60s/70s facade in chinatown a week or so ago
17:37:19  <supermop> a bit out of place but looked very much like part of the tt world
17:37:31  <DanMacK> Get a pic?
17:38:13  <supermop> i could have just sketched it out without having to worry about all the views, construction stages, palette, and whether the scale or level of detail looked good
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17:45:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24585 /trunk/src/lang (6 files) (2012-10-11 17:45:33 UTC)
17:45:46  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:47  <DorpsGek> belarusian - 2 changes by KorneySan
17:45:48  <DorpsGek> catalan - 2 changes by arnau
17:45:49  <DorpsGek> english_US - 2 changes by Rubidium
17:45:50  <DorpsGek> french - 2 changes by glx
17:45:51  <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 2 changes by Stabilitronas
17:45:52  <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 74 changes by myquartz
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18:13:27  <dondaniel> hi
18:13:34  <Alberth> hi
18:13:45  <dondaniel> where are you from
18:14:11  <dondaniel> i from russia
18:14:11  <Alberth> here?
18:14:19  <dondaniel> )
18:14:23  <dondaniel> eemmmm
18:14:24  <dondaniel> ok
18:14:46  <dondaniel> you are beginner in open ttd
18:15:03  <dondaniel> ????
18:15:13  <Alberth> yeah, I only played it 10 years or so
18:15:14  <__ln__> yeah, all of us have barely seen openttd
18:15:22  <dondaniel> ONLY
18:15:37  <dondaniel> i have idea
18:16:01  <dondaniel> to make the leage
18:16:06  <dondaniel> of champions
18:16:09  <dondaniel> ))))
18:16:31  <__ln__> please write full sentences on one line
18:17:31  <dondaniel> but i dont know how say for all tycoon players about this
18:17:34  <dondaniel> ok
18:17:52  <dondaniel> can you help me??
18:18:04  <Alberth> many users read the tt-forums.net site, you can post there
18:18:47  <dondaniel> ok thanks
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19:12:07  <TheDude> hi
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19:33:33  <Yexo> hi
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19:47:48  <TheDude> hi andythenorth
19:47:58  <andythenorth> lo
19:48:16  <andythenorth> you had a question? :)
19:48:32  <TheDude> I am trying to save value in temporary storage 100 and 101 to use variable 68 (http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Industries) for industries
19:48:39  <TheDude> but I am failing with it
19:48:57  <TheDude> even with some code I found on forums
19:50:13  <TheDude> what I have is this     02 0A A0 89 1A 20 FF FF FF FF sto 1A 00 \d100 01 \d0 \d0 A0 00
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19:53:48  <TheDude> there should be link to another varact2 at the npar, but that wasnt the problem
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19:55:20  <andythenorth> nml? :)
19:56:48  <TheDude> what with it?
19:58:56  <andythenorth> easier ;)
19:59:04  <TheDude> hm, ok
19:59:33  <andythenorth> TheDude: this is industry code?  or something else (I didn't look up the type)
20:00:00  <TheDude> yes, it is
20:00:31  <Eddi|zuHause> TheDude: it must be \dx100
20:00:35  <andythenorth> you could try using permanent storage to test your code
20:00:43  <andythenorth> then you can see the value in the newgrf debug gui
20:00:53  <Eddi|zuHause> TheDude: 100 as hexadecimal number
20:00:54  <andythenorth> once it works, go back to temp storage register
20:01:13  <andythenorth> also what Eddi|zuHause said
20:01:29  <andythenorth> but getting debug info is essential for your sanity when coding industry newgrf
20:01:56  <TheDude> where can I see permanent storage?
20:02:25  <Eddi|zuHause> you need to enable newgrf_developer in the console
20:02:37  <TheDude> sure
20:02:45  <TheDude> but when is it then?
20:02:57  <Eddi|zuHause> then you get a "bug" icon in the title bar of the industry
20:03:07  * andythenorth looks in wiki
20:03:15  <TheDude> if I inspect industry, there are variables, properties, but no storage
20:03:15  <andythenorth> http://wiki.openttd.org/NewGRF_Debugging
20:04:52  <andythenorth> hmm
20:05:01  <TheDude> yes, exactly, what is the persistent storage there? I dont know
20:05:11  <andythenorth> they appear after the first month or so of gameplay
20:05:28  <andythenorth> maybe they aren't shown if all storage is 0 or null
20:05:47  <andythenorth> they probably won't show for default industries
20:05:51  <andythenorth> they do show for FIRS
20:07:38  <TheDude> ok, I will play with it little bit more, thanks for the push
20:11:55  <andythenorth> new ship
20:11:56  <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=164854
20:12:00  <andythenorth> from DanMacK
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20:17:06  <Eddi|zuHause> how good could ships from denmark be?
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20:22:17  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: as good as ships from Canada?
20:22:47  <andythenorth> I can't think of any other alternative spellings for DanMacK :P
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20:30:20  <Terkhen> good night
20:35:24  <Supercheese> OTTD doesn't allow each smokestack on a ship to emit its own steam puff, right?
20:35:34  <Supercheese> limited to one IIRC
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20:36:28  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Hey! Your ships are useful! :P
20:36:45  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.abload.de/img/008vlovj.jpg <-- that looks totally weird, with the "red lips" and "tongues"
20:37:29  <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: yes, only one puff, and the position can't be adjusted properly (afair only length-wise, not height-wise)
20:37:48  <Supercheese> Yeah, was hoping that had changed since I last checked, but alas
20:38:12  * Supercheese wonders if he should attempt a patch to fix that
20:40:25  <Supercheese> Having never really inspected the code, though, naturally I've quite a bit of reading to do
20:42:24  <andythenorth> FLHerne: 'useful' ?
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20:42:56  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Move loads of cargo, with the autorefitting :-)
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20:43:12  <FLHerne> andythenorth: Move loads of cargo, with the autorefitting :-)
20:43:19  <FLHerne> Dodgy client?
20:43:25  <andythenorth> dodgy keypress
20:43:57  * FLHerne screenshots
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20:46:08  <Supercheese> Jeez, weird BubbleMovem