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Log for #openttd on 23rd October 2012:
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07:08:20  <Terkhen> good morning
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07:25:43  <planetmaker> good morning
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07:50:01  <Markk> Moin!
07:50:06  <Markk> Alles gut?
07:50:20  <Markk> Can anyone recommend a good dutch newspaper?
07:51:21  <NGC3982> poof woof pofen wofen
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08:20:41  <dihedral> TrueBrain, noaddedsugar.net 502 Bad Gateway ;-)
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11:00:09  <NGC3982> Did you guys see the Soyuz launch?
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13:52:38  <Belugas> hello
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15:56:49  <DanMacK> Hey All
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16:08:41  <Terkhen> hi DanMacK
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16:13:45  <andythenorth> can we have GS-like greeble scripts?
16:13:51  <DanMacK> Hey
16:13:53  <andythenorth> to place newobjects?
16:13:59  <andythenorth> like shipwrecks
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16:29:12  <TyrHeimdal> meh
16:29:23  <TyrHeimdal> 7 mill liters of oil waiting at a station
16:29:28  <TyrHeimdal> and my main line is clogged
16:29:33  <TyrHeimdal> :P
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16:37:58  <planetmaker> don't worry. Be happy. Cash-in ;-)
16:39:09  <planetmaker> there rarely is a main line which can't be expanded ;-)
16:42:37  <TyrHeimdal> hehe, true
16:42:52  <TyrHeimdal> I'm just not sure how to merge these lines
16:42:59  <TyrHeimdal> and get them unclogged
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17:04:29  <Alberth> moin
17:05:16  <frosch123> hai
17:06:26  <TyrHeimdal> olah :)
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17:45:20  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24624 /trunk/src/lang (afrikaans.txt unfinished/tamil.txt) (2012-10-23 17:45:12 UTC)
17:45:21  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:22  <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 5 changes by Oomjcv
17:45:23  <DorpsGek> tamil - 119 changes by aswn
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17:46:13  <Alberth> o/
17:46:34  <Wolf01> o/
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18:45:18  <andythenorth> someone was talking the other day about multiple units on head end of a train
18:45:18  <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=412760&nseq=13
18:45:21  <andythenorth> there's one
18:45:37  <andythenorth> that's quite small power, so 6 of them
18:46:13  <andythenorth> only 2,000hp
18:47:01  <Eddi|zuHause> they're crazy these americans
18:48:45  <V453000> spartan train would have had 10
18:48:46  <Kjetil> 2000hp.. that's what we had in 1942
18:49:09  <andythenorth> those units are 50 years old
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18:59:12  <peter1138> 2000hp each or total?
18:59:26  <andythenorth> each
18:59:41  <Eddi|zuHause> 2000 in total would be a little ridiculous :p
19:00:16  <peter1138> heh @ foreign radio
19:00:23  <peter1138> where "www" is pronunced "veh veh veh"
19:00:33  <peter1138> *pronounced
19:00:51  <andythenorth> indians pronounce 'v' as 'w'
19:00:53  <andythenorth> wodka
19:00:55  <andythenorth> wegetables
19:01:18  <Eddi|zuHause> vat's the difference?
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19:01:55  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: that is perfectly sane since you'd get a knot in your tongue for saying "doubleyou" three times
19:03:25  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone seen a pencil?
19:03:37  <andythenorth> it's under your keyboard
19:03:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i looked there already
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19:41:44  <Belugas> [14:59] <andythenorth> indians pronounce 'v' as 'w'  <-  a colleagu here, from Bangladesh, pronounces "Value" as "Bellew".  very destabilizing
19:41:53  <andythenorth> he
19:42:05  * andythenorth has indian family
19:42:09  <andythenorth> the accent is awesome
19:42:14  <Belugas> and "HO" (head Office) as "ESSEHO"
19:42:15  <andythenorth> I don't get call-centre rage
19:42:39  <Belugas> i guess it depends of the region
19:42:46  <Belugas> +s
19:43:26  <andythenorth> big country
19:43:30  <andythenorth> many languages
19:43:37  <Belugas> quite :)
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19:46:32  <__ln__> are you talking about "welcome to our casino" indians or "technical support, how can i help you" indians?
19:46:59  <Belugas> the later, i'd say :)
19:47:10  <andythenorth> the latter
19:47:15  <Belugas> the ladder
20:08:41  <Terkhen> good night
20:13:59  <Wolf01> http://www.nature.com/news/the-whale-that-talked-1.11635 Belugas, this might interest you :P
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20:14:58  <Wolf01> Too bad for them we have one that develops, play songs, chat :D
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20:25:58  <Belugas> hehehe
20:26:06  <Belugas> thanks Wolf01 :)
20:26:57  <Belugas> I've read about that
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20:28:31  <peter1138> hmm, play songs
20:30:13  <Belugas> have you been drinking coffee all day long, peter?
20:34:41  <peter1138> no
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20:34:52  <andythenorth> alberth?
20:34:53  <andythenorth> meh
20:34:54  <andythenorth> http://imgur.com/a/bFvVq
20:35:02  <andythenorth> rollercoaster tycoon ^
20:35:03  <andythenorth> nvm
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20:36:25  <Simonn> help
20:36:32  <Simonn> I can't build any more things cuz the station is too big
20:36:33  <Simonn> what now? :(
20:36:47  <frosch123> increase max station spread
20:36:55  <Simonn> it's at max
20:36:59  <frosch123> or build a separate station
20:37:03  <Simonn> but it's CLOSE enough to the station
20:37:06  <frosch123> or use the platforms more efficiently
20:37:10  <Simonn> but for some reason it only lets me build 1 more platform
20:37:26  <V453000> drop station?
20:37:36  <Simonn> what you mean drop station
20:39:32  <Simonn> I have one big ass station that acts as a hub
20:39:38  <Simonn> and for some reason it doesn't accept any mor platforms
20:39:45  <Simonn> even if it is close enough
20:39:59  <V453000> with spread at 64?
20:40:07  <Simonn> yeah
20:40:17  <V453000> either way putting stuff through a station instead of a junction might not be the smartest thing to do
20:40:25  <V453000> hubs have their purpose
20:40:55  <V453000> cant tell much without seeing it
20:42:01  <Yexo> if a 64x64 station is not enough, you likely need more efficiency, not more platforms
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20:42:41  <Simonn> hold on
20:42:57  <V453000> and as Yexo says :)
20:43:55  <Simonn> http://nohost.be/nl/upload2.png
20:44:00  <Simonn> the hub at the bottom left I4m trying to expand
20:45:56  <Simonn> I need about 20 more platforms
20:47:22  <Yexo> Intrahub / SimonPort, are those the same station?
20:47:28  <Simonn> no
20:47:32  <Simonn> Intrahub is just a satelite station
20:47:40  <Simonn> Simonport is everything that has no label above them there
20:47:45  <Yexo> ok
20:48:35  <Yexo> try to change more platforms to drive-through platforms
20:48:58  <Simonn> why :p
20:49:01  <Simonn> how will that help
20:49:03  <Yexo> and get rid of the very long tunnels, the entrance/exit is probably more of a problem than the amount of platforms
20:49:17  <Simonn> there aren't any very long tunnels
20:49:23  <Yexo> because than trains wanting to enter won't have to wait as much for trains leaving
20:49:25  <Simonn> most of them have little "gaps" between them
20:49:34  <Simonn> with signal
20:49:39  <Yexo> under the airports "Little Mefinghill City South"
20:50:12  <Simonn> what the problem there?
20:50:24  <Yexo> long tunnels
20:50:26  <Simonn> those 2 platform things are just transfer stations
20:50:35  <Simonn> they transfer passengers from simonport to the airport
20:50:59  <Simonn> but the tunnels really aren't a bottleneck
20:51:02  <Simonn> they barely have to wait there
20:51:10  <Simonn> it's just the platforms are always full
20:51:11  <Yexo> I don't see those platforms filled with trains
20:51:26  <Simonn> which ones
20:51:44  <Yexo> all platforms, there are quite a lot of trains but the station isn't full
20:51:46  <Simonn> some rails aren't connected yet
20:51:53  <Simonn> I am expanding in advance
20:51:56  <Simonn> so I don't run into trouble in th future
20:52:08  <Simonn> I am already building platforms and moving rails through the city
20:52:14  <Simonn> and just leaving the rails "be" for a while outside the city
20:52:20  <Simonn> until I connect something to them
20:52:21  <Zuu> "Predict and provide" have been proven to not work :-p
20:52:56  <Simonn> okay but if it is not today or tomorrow
20:53:01  <Simonn> in couple of years I need more platforms
20:53:05  <Simonn> is there any patch or something or cheat
20:53:08  <Simonn> to expand max allowed platforms
20:53:13  <Yexo> nope, 64x64 is max
20:53:32  <Zuu> As said, you will never be able to remove all bottle necks.
20:53:36  <Yexo> it's easy enough to patch it though
20:53:49  <Zuu> Its a pure fact that you can't get rid of all bottle necks, you can only move them.
20:53:50  <Simonn> patch it
20:53:53  <Simonn> with an exisitng game?
20:54:03  <Yexo> sure, but I'm not going to do it
20:54:20  <Simonn> but
20:54:25  <Simonn> when you say 64x64 is the max
20:54:28  <Simonn> do you mean station spread?
20:54:35  <Simonn> because I KNOW the station i'm trying to build is in range
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20:54:44  <Simonn> but when I build more than couple platforms it doesn't want to work
20:54:50  <planetmaker> you surely miss one tile, Simonn
20:54:51  <Simonn> but when I build one, even if it's further away, it works
20:55:08  <Yexo> find the tile most top-left and the tile most botom-right, max distance between them is 64 tiles
20:55:16  <Zuu> Simonn: 64x64 means that all parts of the station have to fit within a rectangle of 64x64 tiles.
20:55:17  <Yexo> same for top-right and bottom-left
20:55:35  <Simonn> oooo
20:55:40  <Simonn> its not 64 tile sfrom the center?
20:55:44  <Yexo> no
20:55:48  <planetmaker> no
20:55:49  <Simonn> gotcha
20:56:37  <Simonn> well that suxx
20:56:38  <Simonn> :(
20:56:47  <Zuu> I guess you could argue that the setting is labled such that you could read it as it gives the radius. But that's not the case.
20:56:53  <Yexo> if you want to try your hand at patching openttd, download the source, first compile it to test if that works, than find src/table/settings.ini, look for "station_spread" and change "max=64" to "max=200", compile again and you're set
20:57:44  <Simonn> o
20:57:50  <Simonn> just like that huh
20:57:51  <Simonn> ;p
20:58:14  <Wolf01> 'night all
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21:00:49  <Kjetil> .ini ?!
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21:01:36  <Yexo> yes
21:02:25  <Yexo> see http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/tip/src/table/settings.ini
21:03:16  <Simonn> I see
21:03:20  <Simonn> I'll take a look at it tomorrow
21:03:25  <Simonn> I don't have the energy to figure it out all right now :p
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21:03:39  <Kjetil> that file.. looks special.
21:04:23  <Pinkbeast> I think you may be abusing station spread there just a smidge
21:06:53  <Yexo> Kjetil: it is special, but it's also very easy to read
21:07:17  <planetmaker> Kjetil, that ini file is compiled to a .cpp (or .h) file. It's a separate build step
21:07:43  <Kjetil> probably. I have never quite liked ini-files. As they usually come with no documentation :P
21:07:56  <Kjetil> But when one has the source all that changes :P
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21:08:52  <Yexo> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/branches/1.1.hg/file/99fd49e830fc/src/table/settings.h <- this is how it looked before
21:09:18  <Kjetil> someone had fun with macros
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21:12:12  <peter1138> herpaderp
21:15:08  <Yexo> good night
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23:01:28  <peter1138> hmm
23:01:33  <peter1138> midnight ahoy
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