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You cannot send them there in the first place... Or do you mean manual filtering? 07:32:50 <planetmaker> good morning everyone 07:33:03 <Supercheese> No, in theory though 07:34:05 <Supercheese> oh, I mean filter out non-articulated 07:34:52 <Supercheese> what did I type... 07:35:11 <Supercheese> I typed what I meant 07:37:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:42:50 *** thegcat [~thegcat@g224176024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:43:33 <thegcat> morning everyone 07:45:04 <thegcat> a quick google didn't really yield a good answer: is it known that OpenTTD seems/is slow in Retina displays? 07:45:43 <Markk> Are you sure that it's the display that's the problem? 07:45:46 <thegcat> the speed it runs at feels slower on the retina display than on an external 1920x1080 display 07:46:05 <thegcat> (and yes, both cases with the discrete graphics card) 07:47:06 <thegcat> it even feels like OTTD stumbles forward "faster" when a window (like an OS notification) pops up over the OTTD window 07:47:38 <thegcat> anyway, I had also seen peter1138 was looking for people with a retina display, are you still looking for someone? if so ping me 07:49:14 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:28 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 07:57:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:59:07 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 08:01:47 <peter1138> Was I? 08:20:27 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:22:50 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:09 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:29:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:36:58 <Supercheese> Good night chaps 08:37:06 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 08:48:22 *** thegcat [~thegcat@g224176024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: thegcat] 08:53:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:24 <__ln__> http://jolla.com/ 09:22:33 *** thegcat [~thegcat@vpn26110.itmc.tu-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 09:33:50 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-170-049.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:19 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:48:27 *** zatricky [~brendan@blvd-cr1-nat1.wa.co.za] has joined #openttd 09:50:27 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:50:54 <zatricky> hey guys 09:51:44 <zatricky> I'm looking for documentation on hosting an openttd ftp mirror. Could I get some pointers? 09:55:39 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:39 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:39 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:39 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:39 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 09:55:39 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:40 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 09:55:40 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:40 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:40 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:42 *** Hirundo_ [~Hirundo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:55:43 <dihedral> hello 09:55:57 *** SmatZ [~smatz@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:56:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 09:56:12 *** ^Spike^ [~Spike@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:56:42 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:56:43 *** avdg [~avdg@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:57:12 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:57:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 09:57:43 *** tneo [~tneo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:57:45 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:58:13 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:58:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 09:58:31 <dihedral> Ammler is playing with a bouncer again? :-P 09:58:41 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:58:43 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:59:12 *** Osai [~Osai@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:04:10 <Ammler> well, finally we have done the migration so I could make th upgrade I wanted to do 2? months ago :-) 10:05:51 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@freiwuppertal.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:37 <Ammler> good morning dih :-) 10:06:50 <dihedral> :-) 10:06:52 <dihedral> hello there 10:07:13 <Ammler> but next upgrade on bouncer will come soon, znc 1.0 :-) 10:13:01 *** ToBeFree [~tobefree@freiwuppertal.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:57 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41:15 *** thegcat [~thegcat@vpn26110.itmc.tu-dortmund.de] has quit [Quit: thegcat] 10:43:01 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.66.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A9EF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:51:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:13 *** thegcat [~thegcat@vpn26110.itmc.tu-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:16 *** thegcat [~thegcat@vpn26110.itmc.tu-dortmund.de] has quit [] 10:57:23 *** SpComb [~terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:57:26 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 11:06:07 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 12:00:21 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:19:23 *** thegcat [~thegcat@vpn26110.itmc.tu-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:17 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:57 *** thegcat [~thegcat@vpn26110.itmc.tu-dortmund.de] has quit [Quit: thegcat] 12:57:51 *** Kylie_ [kvirc@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 12:57:51 *** Kylie [kvirc@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:48 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:06:59 *** zatricky [~brendan@blvd-cr1-nat1.wa.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:10:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 13:17:41 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:18 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Quit: [RESET]] 13:20:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:21:16 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 13:36:50 *** weber [~he@61-64-87-236-adsl-tai.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has joined #openttd 13:39:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:39 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:58:10 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:45 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 14:26:49 <NGC3982> Im playing a scenario that does not use any NewGRFs (temperate climate) 14:27:01 <NGC3982> Though, i'm not getting any trains to build. 14:28:05 <NGC3982> Since setting the amount of trains (max_trains) to 0 usually sets the icon to 0 (i guess)? 14:28:15 <NGC3982> I feel a bit befuddled. 14:28:38 <lugo-> what year are you in? 14:28:50 <NGC3982> 1 of june, 1950. 14:29:07 <NGC3982> Wait, stop. 14:29:28 <NGC3982> The 'design year' of the Kirby Paul Tank is 1925. 14:29:39 <NGC3982> Is that also the introduction year for players? 14:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:30:37 <lugo-> it varies a little i think? 14:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:30:46 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/Qf7eb.png 14:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> up to 2 years 14:30:59 <NGC3982> Note, 1950, no NewGRF's and ..no trains. 14:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: try going to the console and type "resetengines" 14:33:01 <NGC3982> Executable with rcon? 14:33:06 <planetmaker> introduction year varies by two years. Unless it's within the first two years after you started the map 14:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: you don't need rcon in single player 14:33:28 <NGC3982> It's not singleplayer. 14:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably can't do this in multiplayer 14:34:00 <NGC3982> Nope, t'was forbidden. 14:34:11 <NGC3982> I guess i'd need to restart the game. 14:35:08 <planetmaker> NGC3982, load in SP. resetengines there. load on server 14:35:15 <planetmaker> usual way to fix small errors :-) 14:35:27 <NGC3982> Oh, that fix will follow a save game? 14:35:34 <NGC3982> Ill try it. 14:37:54 <NGC3982> "Resetengines" did not have any effect. 14:40:24 <NGC3982> Ill try saving, loading a different scenario (without any GRF's) and see what happends. 14:40:43 <__ln__> if you're not ill, please use the apostrophe. 14:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> so "im ill"? :) 14:42:05 <__ln__> precisely 14:42:34 <NGC3982> __ln__: I was waiting for you to do that. 14:42:38 <NGC3982> It's kind of nice. 14:42:59 <NGC3982> __ln__: By the way, in of to Helsingfors in a few days. 14:44:11 <__ln__> nice. you can expect clouds and more clouds. 14:45:12 <NGC3982> Im for Kronoberg, i think i can take it. 14:53:53 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:10:06 <Terkhen> hello 15:11:20 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/Odf8l.png 15:11:24 <NGC3982> What's "regearing"? 15:11:35 <NGC3982> Look's like a translation thingy. 15:13:09 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 15:13:40 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:15:20 <peter1138> It's changing the gearing of the locomotive. 15:15:33 * NGC3982 found a chatlog describing it. 15:15:35 <peter1138> To trade power for speed. 15:15:53 <NGC3982> planetmaker: From a Lime Quarry? 15:16:15 <NGC3982> peter1138: * 15:16:36 <peter1138> No, that's caused by using incompatible NewGRFs 15:16:56 <NGC3982> I see. It's the Southeast USA scenario. 15:17:10 <NGC3982> I notice from the chat log that PM and Eddi had the same problem, on the same map. 15:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure i had a "whole USA" map at that time 15:17:43 <peter1138> You don't expect people to test their stuff, do you? 15:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is ECS + NARS 15:18:01 <NGC3982> peter1138: Excuse me? 15:18:04 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I see. 15:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> NARS is an "industry set" because of the regearing cargo, so it's incompatible with other industry sets 15:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but afair it had a switch to disable regearing 15:19:13 <NGC3982> Ok. 15:19:49 <michi_cc> FIRS is supposed to keep the regearing slot free, but ECS is probably defining all available cargo types. 15:27:02 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 15:28:59 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 15:34:26 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:34:28 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:56 <Flygon> Wouldn't the solution to be to create more slots? 15:36:59 <Flygon> :p 15:41:19 <NGC3982> I'm sorry. 15:41:24 <NGC3982> I got quiet mad at this. 15:41:40 <NGC3982> Accidently turned of my server too. 15:41:45 <NGC3982> Fantastic evening, this. 15:50:04 <michi_cc> Flygon: Why do you think ECS (or any other GRF) wouldn't just fill these extra slots as well? 15:50:20 <Flygon> Allow 32767 slots 15:50:49 <Flygon> If a signed 16-bit integer can't handle this. God. Help us all. 15:51:29 <michi_cc> Cargoes are mostly used as sets and not just single cargoes, so you'd need a 32767-bit integer. 15:51:37 <Rubidium> only caveat is... cargo masks (which cargoes does a vehicle support) 15:51:50 <peter1138> 32767 bit integers :D 15:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> low number of slots is better from an engineering point of view... otherwise you get people who just shove 1000 vehicles into one grf :p 16:04:28 <Flygon> But look at it from a practical point of view 16:04:46 <Flygon> The only way someone will fill up 32767 slots is by feeding it garbage 16:04:47 <Flygon> G'night 16:05:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that is a horrible misjudgement on your side :) 16:08:14 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, yeah, sorry about increasing that limit :-( 16:08:34 <NGC3982> I'll never play this game again. 16:13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still lacking a same way to handle MUs with variable number of wagons... refitting is out of the question since i can't set length to 0, and multiple vehicles is awkward since it means multiple prototype offers at different times 16:13:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5dac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:30 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:00 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: what's wrong with the trick mb uses? 16:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it's crazy and totally AI-unfriendly 16:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and it has the problem that the wagons still need different lengths 16:24:11 <Rubidium> why? 16:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> MU middle wagons are often different length than MU end wagons, and i can't have a vehicle both dual-headed and articulated 16:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and if i use normal wagons, i need to shorten them to MU wagon length, or if i use special MU wagons i need a way to have them appear at the same time as the MU does 16:35:00 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:10 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 16:37:42 <Belugas> hello 16:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> currently my preferred system would be the different lengths being separate entries of the purchase list, but only one vehicle prototype 16:41:52 <Eddi|zuHause> something vaguely related to MB's "views" 16:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> except MB wanted that to be graphical only, whereas i would vary the articulated vehicles callback based on it 16:47:03 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:17 <peter1138> So has anyone coded that yet? 16:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> of course not :) 16:53:30 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p57978AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:59 *** APTX_ [APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:02:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:48 *** brambles [~xymox@shellspk.ftp.sh] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:08:03 *** brambles [~xymox@shellspk.ftp.sh] has joined #openttd 17:10:13 <planetmaker> <Eddi|zuHause> low number of slots is better from an engineering point of view... otherwise you get people who just shove 1000 vehicles into one grf :p <-- lol :-) 17:13:23 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 17:17:12 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.7.241.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> something is wrong in this picture... http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/86/8104586/3964653266326632.jpg 17:29:16 *** APTX [APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 17:37:40 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:49:29 <planetmaker> nice 17:49:36 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 17:49:42 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:49:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 17:51:03 *** Mek_ is now known as Mek 18:00:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:57 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.7.241.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:25 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.7.241.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:06:30 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: stop stealing my IRQs! 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As production multiplier value? Or abstraction? 19:33:26 <frosch123> as percentage of "normal production"; latter being define by the grf 19:34:04 <andythenorth> hmm 19:34:07 <frosch123> i.e. just something approximation of "high" or "low", not a specific amount 19:35:02 <andythenorth> it's unrelated to regions, but I favour giving GS control of production multiplier 19:35:08 <andythenorth> can't justify it, just seems right 19:36:14 <frosch123> it's not the goal of gs to micromanage stuff 19:36:23 <frosch123> *purpose 19:36:35 <frosch123> gs can handle "few" global things 19:36:42 <frosch123> they cannot properly control thousands of small things 19:36:51 <andythenorth> ok 19:37:07 <andythenorth> how about prod change is clamped / unclamped by regions? 19:37:11 <frosch123> gs should set the general "idea of the game" 19:37:15 <andythenorth> e.g. cb29 etc 19:37:16 <frosch123> newgrfs have to fill in the details 19:37:52 <andythenorth> I would rather newgrf did a bit less 19:38:21 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 19:39:54 *** neofutur [neofutur@neofutur.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you CANNOT offload everything FIRS does onto a GS 19:40:32 <andythenorth> I don't propose that 19:41:00 <andythenorth> specifically I think it would be useful if newgrfs relinquished some control over: 19:41:08 <andythenorth> - production changes 19:41:11 <andythenorth> - industry opening 19:41:15 <andythenorth> - industry closing 19:41:33 <andythenorth> those seem to be the important things for GS 19:42:10 <andythenorth> those are all cbs or cb results handled by openttd anyway 19:42:29 <frosch123> but "production depending on supplies" is not a gs thing 19:42:47 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: -] 19:42:56 <andythenorth> no 19:43:05 <andythenorth> but it could be made compatible 19:43:24 <andythenorth> to production change 19:43:25 <andythenorth> I nearly did it already, but I need to ask y*xo some questions about current implementation 19:43:55 <frosch123> the idea behind the region approach is to allow asynchronous communication between newgrfs and gs 19:44:05 <frosch123> the gs sets some stuff, and newgrfs react to it 19:44:20 <andythenorth> which requires a set of abstractions...? 19:44:22 <frosch123> there is no direct callback - result thingie 19:45:39 <andythenorth> I'm well aware btw that GS should not be controlling things like production cb etc :) 19:46:11 <frosch123> it just needs telling often enough :p 19:46:34 <frosch123> else people start suggesting to control vehicle acceleration with scripts 19:46:51 <andythenorth> you know that I could rewrite 'regions' as 'NoConomy'? :P 19:47:00 <andythenorth> without anything really changing :P 19:47:30 <frosch123> well, people play with every crap 19:47:39 <frosch123> even manual industries is quite popular 19:47:40 <andythenorth> you could fake production by hacking 'cargo moved to station' 19:47:57 * andythenorth is not putting points in any order, just having ideas (annoying) 19:48:08 <andythenorth> I like this regions thing 19:48:19 * andythenorth food 19:48:28 <andythenorth> if you haven't got bored and gone away when I come back, I will try and make more sense 19:48:48 <frosch123> food always makes sense 19:49:12 <andythenorth> so the default number of regions is 0 or 1? 19:49:50 <frosch123> if it is 1, that one cannot be deleted :p 19:49:57 <Rubidium> roughly 8.53973.... 19:50:59 <andythenorth> GS could modify cargo payment rates? 19:51:04 <andythenorth> or is that a massive headache? 19:56:05 <frosch123> might be possible 19:56:36 <frosch123> i am not sure whether this cb or the rating cb or both were on my list of newgrf features to trash and to replace with gs :p 20:01:13 <andythenorth> I find it very odd that FIRS modifies station ratings 20:01:21 <andythenorth> I want the effect 20:01:30 <andythenorth> but maybe I should have made it a separate grf :P 20:03:13 * NGC3982 has made soup for everyone. 20:03:42 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:07:09 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:44 <andythenorth> frosch123: so cb 47 (station rating) and cb 40 (custom profit) - trash? 20:09:04 <andythenorth> meh cb 39 20:09:09 <andythenorth> read the wrong number on the wiki 20:09:31 <andythenorth> and cb 145 (station rating) 20:09:32 <frosch123> i added the profit thingie to the page 20:09:43 <frosch123> just specified it as cumulativ 20:10:30 <frosch123> rating does not sound too useful for being a regional thing 20:10:32 <andythenorth> :) 20:10:34 <andythenorth> no 20:10:45 <andythenorth> nor a GS thing 20:10:53 <andythenorth> rating imho is almost justified as an openttd setting 20:11:04 <andythenorth> we have so many other settings which have zero gameplay benefit :P 20:11:55 <andythenorth> so industry construction - that makes my head hurt 20:12:19 <andythenorth> that would be a multiplier on the action 0 prop? 20:12:34 <frosch123> yes 20:12:38 <andythenorth> what about cb22? 20:12:47 <andythenorth> it would modify the result of that? 20:12:50 <frosch123> well, multiplier to cb22 then 20:13:07 <frosch123> cb22 / a0 refer to map average 20:13:14 <frosch123> the gs would make the map inhomogenous 20:13:40 <frosch123> like firs farm clusters 20:13:41 <andythenorth> how would this relate to industry amount on map gen settings? 20:14:04 <frosch123> no idea :p 20:14:22 <andythenorth> :) 20:14:44 <frosch123> gs can fund industries themself if they really care about an exact number 20:15:02 <frosch123> this is just about influencing the randomness that exists 20:15:06 <andythenorth> I guess I've mentioned that I think the industry counts have issues? :P 20:15:18 <andythenorth> fixing that - if ever - is probably orthogonal 20:15:19 *** V [542ad30a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 20:17:08 <V> hai, I have a question ... I want to put arrows which present the direction a train is facing. Is there a way to overlay the sprites with the arrow or do I need to make separate sprites with that arrow added to them? 20:17:45 <V> in NML 20:17:59 <frosch123> you can only draw one sprite per vehicle 20:18:12 <frosch123> so, you have to add the arrow the vehicle image 20:18:18 <V> alright 20:18:25 <V> I thought eGRVTS did something like such overlaying 20:18:26 <frosch123> but ofc. you can use some scripted image processing to do so 20:18:27 <V> guess not :) 20:18:29 <V> thank you 20:18:38 <V> ahh, better not, that sounds evil :) 20:18:49 <V> I prefer the simple methods most of the time :P 20:19:40 <Alberth> depending on your experience, "simple" may vary :) 20:20:20 <V> well yeah :D 20:21:39 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.247] has joined #openttd 20:21:46 <andythenorth> lo DanMacK 20:21:55 <DanMacK> Hey 20:22:05 <andythenorth> how are you? 20:22:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8098:962a:c9c:6288] has joined #openttd 20:22:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:22:55 <DanMacK> Not too bad... busy 20:23:21 <DanMacK> You? 20:24:52 <andythenorth> plotting work 20:29:48 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-208.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:11 <Terkhen> good night 20:30:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-208.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:31:14 <andythenorth> frosch123: incidentally I think FIRS clusters would be a problem with regions 20:31:23 <andythenorth> I could bin them ;) 20:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> don't touch that stuff... you have enough to fiddle already :) 20:31:52 <frosch123> i had a discussion with al*erth yesterday about industry densities 20:32:16 <frosch123> one requirement was that newgrfs have to specify whether a industry is meant to cluster or to spread out 20:33:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:02 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:14 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:35:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: so a 'locate near similar types' or such? 20:35:59 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:23 <frosch123> it was about "prevent appearance of 3 oilrigs in every small lake" vs. "still allow farms to cluster" 20:37:06 <andythenorth> did you have implementation ideas? 20:37:45 <frosch123> nope :p 20:38:05 <andythenorth> min / max distance pair, assume same industry type? 20:38:38 <andythenorth> FIRS has to scale number of clusters by map size etc 20:39:01 <andythenorth> dunno if that should be in scope for regions 20:39:42 <andythenorth> I kind of think regions provide that, it's not a thing for newgrf 20:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a "max distance" supposed to achieve? that'll cause "only one cluster per map" issues 20:44:14 <andythenorth> point 20:44:31 <andythenorth> any clue what should handle number of clusters? 20:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> map size/difficulty settings 20:45:45 <andythenorth> so do same as FIRS then 20:45:58 <andythenorth> first generate n industries (n = number of clusters) 20:46:14 <andythenorth> then generate remaining industries using max distance to similar type 20:54:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:51 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:32 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:57:39 <supermop> hi 20:57:43 <Alberth> hi 21:01:02 <supermop> how's it going? 21:04:19 <Alberth> tt-forums are very boring 21:06:24 <andythenorth> troll them 21:08:15 <supermop> haha 21:08:25 <supermop> i had my work computer stolen yesterday 21:08:27 <andythenorth> troll the 'u mst w8nt moar pl8yz' thread 21:08:38 <andythenorth> forums are exciting for me 21:08:48 <andythenorth> DanMacK has been sending my epic pixels by pm 21:09:02 <andythenorth> my / me /s 21:09:06 <supermop> with a good little 128x128 game going on it 21:09:33 <andythenorth> forums are also exciting because they eat my login cookie every 20 mins or so 21:09:35 <andythenorth> which causes rage 21:09:41 <V> :D 21:16:58 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 21:31:39 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:36:10 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:42:31 <andythenorth> it all went quiet :P 21:44:49 <frosch123> night 21:44:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5dac.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:31 <supermop> andy - my chips station glitch bug was fixed! 21:45:49 <andythenorth> ? 21:46:21 <andythenorth> I still have one :P 21:46:24 *** V [542ad30a@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:46:34 <supermop> the computer with the save on it was stolen 21:46:43 <supermop> so i am no longer experiencing the glitch 21:47:57 <andythenorth> I could solve the glitch by rm-ing the grf? 21:48:28 <supermop> rm? 21:56:34 <andythenorth> http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?rm 21:59:10 <Alberth> too complicated, you need the actual name. Better find it instead: find / -iname "*.grf" -exec rm "{}" ";" 21:59:39 <Alberth> it may have unfortunate side effects for other grf and grf-like files :p 22:00:35 * Alberth -> bed 22:00:49 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: this may be something for HEQS http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7206/seite1021280x1024.jpg :) 22:04:12 <andythenorth> what does it transport? 22:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> a ship... or something :) 22:07:19 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.204] has joined #openttd 22:20:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:23:59 <Wolf01> night 22:24:14 *** Wolf01 [~Thunderbi@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Wolf01] 22:24:32 <Nat_aS> andythenorth: when will BANDIT be done? 22:24:37 <Nat_aS> and will you make a buss set? 22:24:57 <Nat_aS> (I really hate the default RVs, and think the other RV sets are too excessive) 22:28:53 <andythenorth> BANDIT is on hold 22:30:17 <andythenorth> it's unlikely I'll pick it up any time soon 22:30:22 <andythenorth> I got bored of trying to make trucks work 22:33:21 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 22:35:04 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:09 <andythenorth> bye 22:35:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:38:34 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:40 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/w4H4u.png 22:41:00 <NGC3982> I can't find anything in the online content. 22:42:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 22:42:21 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 22:47:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:47:53 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p57978AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 22:50:45 <V453000> interesting http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5370 22:51:05 <V453000> s/interesting/wtf 22:57:28 *** Nat_aS [~nat@131.191.34.64] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:10:15 <Eddi|zuHause> afair there are two exceptions for the 90° turn rule, 1) a not-front vehicle will follow 90° turns, 2) a track reservation is always followed 23:14:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:51 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:33:13 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []