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00:02:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:04:23 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-dac1e455.04-372-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:05:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:08:02 *** Strid [~Strid@c-16cee455.04-372-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-73-94.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121113065533]] 00:30:45 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-013-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:50:03 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d0836e4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 00:50:16 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:50:29 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:58:06 <Flygon> Okay, perhaps retroactively applying cargodist to this gamesave was a terrible idea... 00:58:34 <Flygon> My network is now more ineffient than a Hummer towing a piece of paper 01:01:24 *** Warod [warod@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:01:25 *** Warod [warod@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 01:08:29 *** szaman [szaman@merkury.cenzor.pl] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:08:30 *** szaman [szaman@merkury.cenzor.pl] has joined #openttd 01:12:34 <NGC3982> :D 01:12:42 * NGC3982 saves that in his little notebook of good things. 01:14:20 <Flygon> It doesn't help that thi is 1891 using 2CC trains 01:14:51 <Flygon> 96km/h makes passengers take literal years going from Kansas to New York 01:14:57 <Flygon> I have patient passengers @_@ 01:15:52 <Flygon> Probably because Pittsburg-New York express isn't implemented yet... so they're going via Washington 01:16:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:16:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 01:22:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-65-45.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A64F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:34:36 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:40:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CFD4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:01 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:07:51 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 02:10:16 <Nat_aS> I wish there was a way to change how long years are 02:10:21 <Nat_aS> in OTTD 02:10:29 <Nat_aS> because taking years to get places is silly 02:26:23 <Flygon> There is 02:26:27 <Flygon> Daylength patch iirc 03:00:41 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 03:06:04 <Nat_aS> is it good?a 03:06:10 <Flygon> Never used it 03:06:17 <Nat_aS> and compatable with cargodist? 03:06:18 <Supercheese> "Good" is extremely relative 03:06:34 <Supercheese> The version in Chill's patchpack works with cargodist 03:06:40 <Supercheese> I dunno about any others 03:06:53 <Nat_aS> well good here, imo, would make the years progress slowly, without effecting cargos and veichiles 03:07:08 <Nat_aS> so trains would move the same speed, and cargos would be produced at the same rate 03:07:10 <Supercheese> That is what it does 03:07:25 <Nat_aS> but the date, for the pourpose of trains being obsolete and shit, would take longer 03:07:31 <Supercheese> yep 03:08:18 *** Pinkbeas1 [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has joined #openttd 03:26:01 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.6.201.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36:49 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121119183901]] 03:51:23 <Flygon> You know what'd be nice? 03:51:25 <Flygon> Water tunnels 04:11:28 *** Wuzzy [~Wuzzy@p549FB9CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:52 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:28:06 *** Pinkbeas1 [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:30:04 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 04:40:02 <Eddi|zuHause> unrealistic!! 04:41:12 <Flygon> Not unrealistic 04:41:19 <Flygon> It's just like a railbridge 04:41:26 <Flygon> Except it's got turf on top :B 04:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, rail bridges are unrealistic as well, as far as going under them by ships is concerned 04:47:22 <Eddi|zuHause> take a look at what hoops they had to go through for this briddge to have sea-going vessels pass under it: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendsburger_HochbrÃŒcke 04:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> this is in otherwise totally flat landscape, and they have to climb 80m with a loop like you would in the mountains 04:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, actually it's 42m 04:50:30 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.82.213] has joined #openttd 04:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> now imagine driving a tunnel of that size through a mountain 04:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting thing about that bridge is there's a ferry hanging under the bridge that doesn't touch the water 05:00:44 <Flygon> Sorry for the delays 05:00:53 <Flygon> But, in OpenTTD, ships are made of magic! :P 05:01:17 <Flygon> Also, I can't speak German x: 05:01:17 <Flygon> Sorry 05:03:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you can still look at the pictures :) 05:03:54 <Flygon> Touche 05:04:02 <Flygon> Except you linked me to a disambiguation article :P 05:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> not here 05:04:56 <Flygon> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendsburger_Hochbr%C3%83%C2%BCcke Appears to be a disambiguation article... 05:05:13 <Flygon> ...I really gotta get my IRC client to support UTF properly, and stop using ASCII 05:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> your utf8 conversion is broken then 05:05:37 <Flygon> Ahh... 05:05:44 <Flygon> x: 05:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway there's also an english article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendsburg_High_Bridge 05:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: your link is broken because it applied the utf-8 conversion twice 05:07:31 <Flygon> Oh x: 05:07:32 <Flygon> Sorry 05:07:36 <Flygon> Thank you, for the English link 05:07:52 <Flygon> ...that is a hell of a tall bridge 05:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also this bridge over the same canal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Anonymer_Fotograf_PC_HochbrÃŒcke_Hochdonn_bei_Burg_in_Dithmarschen_Dortmunder_Union_Louis_Eilers_NordostseekanalbrÃŒcke_Bildseite.jpg 05:14:38 <Flygon> Got a tinyurl for that? x: 05:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> never tried that ;) 05:16:37 <Flygon> It's easy 05:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> http://tinyurl.com/cnvwp2x 05:16:54 <Flygon> Just shove it in, then pull out the string it gives you 05:16:59 <Flygon> Yeah, like that 05:17:04 <Flygon> Thanks :) 05:17:13 <Flygon> ... 05:17:15 <Flygon> "501 Not Implemented 05:17:15 <Flygon> The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation." 05:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, that seems to fail as well 05:17:21 * Flygon bangs head against wall 05:17:43 <Flygon> Must be a chrome thing 05:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> try this one then: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Anonymer_Fotograf_PC_Hochbr%C3%BCcke_Hochdonn_bei_Burg_in_Dithmarschen_Dortmunder_Union_Louis_Eilers_Nordostseekanalbr%C3%BCcke_Bildseite.jpg 05:29:10 <Flygon> That works, Eddi|zuHause :) 05:29:12 <Flygon> Thank you 05:29:37 <Flygon> o.o 05:29:44 <Flygon> It looks really flimsy, somewhat 05:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> here's a map of the canal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Karte_Nord-Ostsee-Kanal.png 05:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you see Rendsburg in the north with the first bridge, and Hochdonn in the south with the second bridge 05:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you also see two other rail bridges and a few road bridges crossing that canal, all 42m above the water surface 05:33:44 * Flygon nod 05:33:55 <Flygon> Area I'm from isn't known for huge bridges 05:34:09 <Flygon> One of them we tried to build collapsed mid-construction 05:34:55 <Flygon> http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200910/r456672_2233970.jpg 05:35:25 <Flygon> Never trust Australians to build a suspension bridge 05:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the highest rail bridge in germany, 107m above ground: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCngstener_Br%C3%BCcke 05:38:18 <Flygon> That looks quite dangerous 05:38:31 <Flygon> What about high winds? Or passenger safety in an emergency? 05:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it's currently under reconstruction, because it's over 100 years old 05:39:08 <Supercheese> Helicopter evac in case of emergency :P 05:39:16 <Supercheese> or hell, it's Germany, so Zeppelin evac! 05:39:23 <Flygon> I see 05:39:31 <Flygon> @ the reconstruction 05:39:31 <Supercheese> although the new Zeps are really tiny... 05:39:50 <Flygon> I always thought Australia would be a good place for giant Zepplins 05:39:58 <Supercheese> All that open space, yeah 05:40:15 <Flygon> Build one with a large enough envelope, and you have something that's practical for freight (coal, iron ore) haulage 05:40:20 <Supercheese> have you got any Helium there? 05:40:24 <Flygon> Bonus points for being able to go to neighbouring countries 05:40:32 <Supercheese> I know we have some here in Oklahoma-area 05:40:32 <Flygon> We have plenty of hydrogen :P 05:40:59 <Supercheese> well, hydrogen is everywhere 05:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: zeppelins are known to cover really long distances really well 05:41:00 <Flygon> (though, only countries that come to mind nearby that can handle superblimps are Japan and China...) 05:41:05 <Flygon> Yes 05:41:13 <Flygon> Hence, why I suggested giant freight Zepps 05:41:31 <Flygon> Giant being, over a kilometer long 05:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause> germans tried to revive the zeppelin concept, but the company failed big time 05:41:34 <Supercheese> I'd rather have a flying cruise ship 05:41:48 <Supercheese> their NT Zeppelins are way too small 05:41:54 <Supercheese> like 12 passengers 05:42:08 <Flygon> It's a shame no Heindenbergs were preserved 05:42:23 <Supercheese> Nazis were involved, they tended to ruin everything 05:42:27 <Supercheese> :( 05:42:39 <Flygon> The problem with the Nazi's is the regieme, not the people 05:42:42 <Flygon> We need to remember that 05:42:53 <Supercheese> aye, the policies are what I refer to 05:43:43 <Flygon> Then again, Australia's practically the only country that hadn't been invaded by the Nazi's... barring some bombings from Japan, anyway 05:43:54 <Flygon> But Japan made the mistake of bombing a desert 05:44:26 <Flygon> Darwin's population in WWII was waaaaay more soldiers than citizens :P 05:44:34 <Supercheese> didn't they hit one airfield? Albeit a small, barely-used one? 05:45:00 <Supercheese> and weren't there midget subs in Syndey harbor? 05:45:10 <Supercheese> or was that a piece of alternate history I read somewhere? 05:45:36 <Flygon> Anyone attempting to invade Australia's harbours are idiots 05:46:07 <Flygon> Sydney and Melboure have extremely geographically advantagious harbours, and the rest (even before the 1940s) were very well protected otherwise 05:46:32 <Flygon> Seriously, just try invading Melbourne via Port Phillip Bay 05:46:38 <Supercheese> I don't doubt that, but we're talking about an Empire that resorted to large-scale kamikaze tactics... 05:46:59 <Supercheese> also I didn't think they wanted to invade as much as wreck shipping 05:46:59 <Flygon> They tried that 05:47:04 <Flygon> It didn't really succeed 05:47:10 <Supercheese> but I don't properly recall 05:47:41 <Flygon> And Japan would never have had a hope in hell of reaching any Australian cities (barring Perth and Darwin) by sea anyway, considering the US's Navy prescence 05:47:58 <Flygon> (and the Perth is a huuuge maybe) 05:48:09 <Supercheese> wonder if that would have been different if the carriers were at Pearl when it was bombed... 05:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the idea behind the kamikaze tactics, or pretty much any japanese tactics in the second part of WWII was that as a democracy, american opinion would suffer from large scale loss of life 05:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so eventually the americans would vote for ending the war, if it dragged on for too long 05:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that was until the first atomic bombs hit 05:52:33 <Flygon> Kamikaze tactics are worthless against 1940s Australia 05:52:55 <Flygon> We lacked the ability to have long range communication with them (that wasn't awful) until around the 80s to 90s 05:53:03 <Flygon> As in, with Darwin 05:53:36 <Flygon> They were bombing an area of Australia that would be able to be kept confidential whatsoever... they wouldn't be demolalizing a country, just a convey of soldiers 05:53:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD402E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, fun fact about that bridge reconstruction: before the reconstruction they tried to get the bridge certified for the small passenger trains that would use them, but in the application they filled in the wrong number. so the bridge was certified for the train, but only without passengers 06:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> with passengers the train would get too heavy, and thus they couldn't use it 06:06:38 <Supercheese> "Were those imperial tons or metric tons?" :P 06:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> we're probably lucky that we don't have that kind of problem :) 06:07:43 <Supercheese> Yeah 06:07:57 <Supercheese> Although you might have the handwritten 1 vs 7 problem 06:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it was really big problem before we converted to the metric system 06:08:04 <Supercheese> D'you bar the 7 or not? 06:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> because each province noble had his own measurement system 06:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> so you had a prussian pound, a saxon pound, a bavarian pound, ... 06:09:25 <Supercheese> oy gevalt 06:09:42 <Flygon> Someday, America'll be too late to switch to Metric 06:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> germany consisted of about 40 constituencies in the 1850's 06:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> practically each of them with individual measurement units 06:10:33 <Supercheese> the American Society of Mechanical Engineers said back in the 70s or so, "America WILL adopt the metric system." 06:10:36 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:10:38 <Supercheese> ... and here we are 06:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> which made it very necessary to introduce a common system 06:17:25 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 06:27:05 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:14:05 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:54 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 07:15:18 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 07:16:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:20:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:29:41 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:11:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153EF4C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:14:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:09 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 08:32:15 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:58 <__ln___> http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201211/news29/20121129-20ee.html 08:48:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:48:48 <Wolf01> moooorning 08:49:09 <Supercheese> I suppose 1 AM is morning ;) 08:49:32 <Wolf01> :) 08:54:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 09:01:18 <Flygon> Evening 09:01:19 <Flygon> 8PM 09:22:20 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:30:04 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:41 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:22:23 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:31:55 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d823abd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-223-106-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0083ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:27 <Alberth> moin 10:40:13 <frosch123> hai :) 10:40:44 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:51:14 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 11:03:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:44 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 11:06:38 <NGC3982> Morning. 11:07:11 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:00 <NGC3982> __ln___: .. 11:28:29 <Flygon> Okay, I am loving cargodist 11:28:52 <Flygon> It actually makes installing intermediate stations worthwile :) 11:29:16 <Flygon> And requires less trains for more profit! 11:38:05 <fonsinchen> It can also be the other way round, depending on your network layout ... 11:38:28 <NGC3982> Cargodist? 11:39:13 <NGC3982> "So this is the (n+1)th attempt".. Hah. :D 11:41:11 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153EF4C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:34 <NGC3982> What this all about. 11:44:47 <NGC3982> It's a wayfinder? 11:45:27 <fonsinchen> It distributes cargo in your network, using multiple hops 11:46:13 <fonsinchen> For example if you have a pax train from A to B and another one from B to C. Part of the passengers from the first train will automatically transfer at B in order to reach C. 11:47:57 <Flygon> fonsinchen: I actually switched the type of OpenTTD client mid-way through (basically, saved and opened)... while my initial network was overwhelmed 11:48:00 <NGC3982> Oh, i see. 11:48:02 <Flygon> It actually became far more flexible 11:48:03 <NGC3982> That's nice. 11:48:27 <Flygon> Though, people willing to take over a year going from Kansas to NY are nuts 11:49:54 <NGC3982> Hehe :D 11:52:48 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:42 <__ln___> http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/stockholm-stock-exchange-paralyzed-by-order-for-6-futures-20121129/ 11:54:11 <NGC3982> Im not really following, though. How do i use git files? 11:56:10 <NGC3982> I'm sorry, but i used OMX values yesterday before closing. I did not recall any abrupt halt? 11:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln___: but sanitizing the input would take valuable nanoseconds... the latency would increase! 12:01:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause> why am i getting the impression fonsinchen has a highlight on "cargodist"? :) 12:09:56 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: you can get a precompiled version if git confuses you 12:11:29 <fonsinchen> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cargodist/releases/ 12:12:01 <fonsinchen> you can also get a source tarball there. Then you can compile yourself without using git. 12:18:31 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 12:24:57 <NGC3982> C..compile? 12:25:17 * NGC3982 scratches his head, scrolls up a bit and tries to re-read everything. 12:29:04 <NGC3982> Though, how quaint. Generating a map consists of 95% generating canals, 5% everything else. 12:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause> map generation has not been changed... 12:30:14 <NGC3982> Not related to the previous discussion. 12:32:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:50 <Bad_Brett> btw, how do i replace the river sprites? can i use replacenew or so i have to make an item block? 12:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you should probably ask that to the people who coded rivers before, in the forum 12:35:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:26 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:28 <frosch123> rivers are only via item block 12:45:43 <frosch123> effectively canals are also only via item block nowadays 13:03:25 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:56 <NGC3982> Im trying to play a 2048^2048 map locally. I have a dedicated server running on my HTPC, and it CPU/RAM/bandwith wise, it does not seem to exceed any particular limit 13:04:12 <NGC3982> The client is my i5 laptop, connected (wireless-n) trough LAN. 13:04:38 <NGC3982> I keep getting disconnected, and lot's of "X seconds since respons from server". 13:04:45 <NGC3982> What (on earth) can cause it? 13:05:04 <NGC3982> I have been experimenting with net_frame_freq, but that does not make any particular changes. 13:05:33 <Sturmi> tried a a cable connection? 13:06:16 <NGC3982> Yes, same effect. 13:07:24 <V453000> how many trains 13:07:29 <NGC3982> None. 13:07:31 <V453000> ecs/firs? 13:07:34 <NGC3982> ECS 13:07:39 <V453000> there is your answer 13:08:34 <NGC3982> :( 13:09:07 <Flygon> In 10 years time, we'll have the computational power and fiber to handle 8192*8192 maps :) 13:09:27 <NGC3982> Ill set map_x to 9. 13:09:31 <NGC3982> Let's see how that works. 13:09:33 <NGC3982> Flygon: yey. 13:09:56 <V453000> well 512x512 should be enough for any player really ... and honestly, ECS is really badly functional ;) all the production changes and stuff 13:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: could set a lower number of industries 13:10:09 <Flygon> Assuming companies and Governments around the world get off their arse and install fiber everywhere 13:10:14 <Flygon> Because screw copper 13:10:24 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I guess. 13:10:47 <NGC3982> V453000: It was more of an experiment. Though, why just ECS? Wont FIRS have the same effect? 13:11:15 <V453000> I dont know the exact code, but FIRS stresses the cpu less 13:11:32 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 13:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: ECS has lots of animation and complicated production formulas 13:11:45 <V453000> somehow ECS just counts more stuff I guess 13:11:52 <V453000> ye 13:11:54 <NGC3982> Ok 13:12:01 <NGC3982> Bah. Im tired of FIRS. 13:12:09 <NGC3982> Been over-playing it for so long. 13:12:22 <V453000> opengfx+ industries are fun when you need a well working industry set and demand more cargoes :) 13:12:42 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r24776 /trunk/src (23 files in 7 dirs) (2012-12-01 13:12:39 UTC) 13:12:43 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Typo fixes, additions, and additional dots collected from various sources (including Eagle_rainbow, MinchinWeb) 13:12:51 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:02 <Flygon> And 512*512 is never enough 13:13:10 <Flygon> 2048*2048 isn't even enough for a heightmap of Australia 13:13:14 <Flygon> Or even Victoria @_@ 13:13:25 <NGC3982> V453000: Wait, Opengfx+? I thought that was a new version of the normal industries? 13:13:58 <V453000> well original industries which can be turned on in various climates, meaning more cargoes? 13:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: basically it combines the industries of all climates 13:14:08 <Alberth> Flygon: how is 2k*2k not enough, it's a matter of scaling 13:14:09 <V453000> EXCEPT TOYLAND :( 13:14:21 <Sturmi> screw toyland 13:14:37 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Oh, i see. 13:14:48 <V453000> Sturmi now you fucked up 13:14:48 <Flygon> Alberth: Australia's a continent with a lot of nothing, and cities that are actually very tightly concentrated when there are cities... 13:14:50 <V453000> . 13:14:51 <Flygon> It's hard to explain 13:14:54 <Flygon> Basically 13:14:54 <NGC3982> Is it accessable trough the online content? 13:15:07 <Flygon> For some regions, 4k*4k would be wildly overcompensatory 13:15:09 <V453000> sure 13:15:15 <NGC3982> It was! 13:15:17 * NGC3982 tries. 13:15:18 <Alberth> Sturmi: but it has a very nice industry chain 13:15:22 <Flygon> But for others, it'd barely give enough realistic definition 13:15:23 <NGC3982> Should i use all of them? 13:15:31 <V453000> it has the best industry chain 13:15:34 <Sturmi> it has but it causes eyecancer 13:15:39 <Alberth> Flygon: hmm, leave out the 'nothing' parts then? 13:15:39 <V453000> NGC3982: yeah that is fun :) 13:16:06 <NGC3982> Speaking of, i notice that OpenGFX+ Trains has two versions in the online content. 13:16:07 <Flygon> Alberth: Yeah, but then you'd end up with Perth complaining it's not counted, and a 4k*1k map :P 13:16:09 <Alberth> Sturmi: tried the opengfx variant or the zbase variant, much nicer 13:16:21 <NGC3982> Is it really prefarable to have both old and new versions in the content list? 13:16:41 <Sturmi> no, maybe i should. 13:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: of what? 13:17:43 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:51 <V453000> if you have one version have 200mb or how much, yes :d 13:18:21 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: 0.2.5 and 0.3.0 is available in the online content, for the OpenGFX+ Trains NewGRF. 13:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe a dependency or something 13:21:25 <NGC3982> Confused NGC. 13:21:48 <NGC3982> Ill try a 2048^2 map with opengfx 13:21:52 <NGC3982> OpenGFX* 13:29:38 <NGC3982> What the 13:29:50 <NGC3982> It seems like the autosave disconnects the server 13:32:13 <V453000> is it socially correct to class beer into valuables? 13:32:44 <NGC3982> Are you europeean? 13:32:49 <Alberth> I don't, but you may want to 13:33:47 <frosch123> V453000: yeah, if you want to keep it, it might be better to guard it 13:33:59 <frosch123> but otoh, which guard could you trust? 13:33:59 <V453000> ofc, armoured wagons 13:39:43 <Alberth> the biggest threat does not come from the outside ;) 13:40:34 <V453000> :D 13:40:38 <V453000> fair point 13:43:43 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@00013104.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:44:16 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@00013104.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:28 <Flygon> In Australia, you don't have Beer Trains 13:44:45 <frosch123> Flygon: ottd is not about realism, but about dreams :p 13:44:52 <Flygon> You have Beer pipeline from Melbourne, to Sydney, to Brisbane, to Adelaide, to Perth, to Darwin... should I continue? :D 13:45:07 <Flygon> The trains aren't fast enough! And lack the capacity! 13:45:16 <Flygon> We thank Russia for the idea :D 13:48:00 <NGC3982> V453000: Well, this worked out nicely. 13:48:45 <Alberth> Flygon: use tankers 13:49:10 <Flygon> We stopped using those when the drivers kept getting drunk off the tanker tank 13:49:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:27 <Alberth> good point :) 13:54:20 <Rubidium> oh... a tron-esque commit ;) 13:56:17 <peter1138> ? 14:02:38 <Rubidium> @commit 5210 14:02:38 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by tron :: r5210 /trunk (44 files in 6 dirs) (2006-06-10 08:37:41 UTC) 14:02:39 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Many small changes which piled up: const, unsigned, variable scope, CSE for readability, DeMorgan, if cascades -> switch, whitespace, parentheses, bracing, misc. 14:02:49 <Rubidium> @commit 24776 14:02:50 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by alberth :: r24776 /trunk/src (23 files in 7 dirs) (2012-12-01 13:12:39 UTC) 14:02:51 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: -Doc: Typo fixes, additions, and additional dots collected from various sources (including Eagle_rainbow, MinchinWeb) 14:03:06 <Rubidium> both look pretty much like many small changes piling up 14:04:46 <Alberth> I don't keep collections of code changes ;) 14:15:40 *** Psyk [~Psyk@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:39 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-223-106-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:08 <andythenorth> lo 14:31:06 <V453000> hello andy :) 14:39:28 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/zh9EJ.png 14:40:07 <NGC3982> I have an order table like this, and i wish to auto-replace the trains. Will the trains ignore the non-stop orders, if only a single depot is available? 14:40:21 <NGC3982> Or will they wait until they get between the orders (where the depot lies). 14:41:21 <V453000> depends on servicing requirements, if they want a service they will go for a near depot I think, but that seems to work really variously 14:41:32 <andythenorth> what is new? 14:41:37 <V453000> best solution for autoreplacing is to have all depots behind terminus stations or reversers 14:41:52 <V453000> I wrote a little thing about that here http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/11/18/train-servicing-settings/ 14:42:04 <NGC3982> V453000: It's not servicing, it's auto-replacing - Or - Does the same rules apply? 14:42:07 <NGC3982> Oh, ok 14:42:11 <V453000> yeah 14:42:19 <V453000> read the article that will explain some things 14:42:24 <NGC3982> Thanks 14:42:31 <V453000> yw 14:55:08 <NGC3982> Yes, that worked out nicely. 15:12:19 <NGC3982> Ah, OpenGFX+ is really nice. 15:30:51 *** PierreW [~ttdlx@bnc.peterbox.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:30:52 *** PierreW [~ttdlx@bnc.peterbox.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:48:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-73-94.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:42 <peter1138> hmm, that's annoying 15:52:08 <peter1138> got a spare raid card but its bios seems to override the ahci bios, so the system can't boot :-( 16:03:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d823abd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:43 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d823abd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 16:10:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5DC67F25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:35 *** Elu [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:11:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67F25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:40 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:40 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:48 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:30:31 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-223-106-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:37:15 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.82.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:46:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-73-94.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:46 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-223-106-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:24 *** M1zera [~Miranda@e-77-189.eduroam.fit.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 16:59:41 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:41 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:59:51 *** M1zera [~Miranda@e-77-189.eduroam.fit.cvut.cz] has quit [] 17:08:00 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:12 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:12:30 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:14:47 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host86-157-219-238.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:22 <Superuser> hey there, it's the translation man again. I wonder, where does this string appear in the game? http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/el_GR/STR_CONFIG_SETTING_TYPE 17:19:06 <frosch123> in the advanced setting gui 17:19:09 <frosch123> in the lower panel 17:19:32 <frosch123> nightly only (in case you only know stable) 17:20:30 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:16 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:17 * NGC3982 is on a train. 17:24:23 <Superuser> thanks bruv 17:24:30 <Superuser> guess I need to dl nightly 17:25:00 <Superuser> btw, frosch123, how can I change the MIDI soundfont used in Windows? I know how to do it on Linux and it uses that, but how do I do it in Windows, do you know? 17:34:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-73-94.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:25 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest198 17:37:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-73-94.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:56 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:38:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:39 *** lucaspiller [uid2039@2a01:4f8:121:3e4:6667:6667:6667:7f7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:40:50 *** lucaspiller [uid2039@id-2039.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:48 <peter1138> good luck, windows vista/7 try to make out that midi doesn't exist 17:42:14 <andythenorth> forums seem to be on silent running 17:42:19 <andythenorth> nobody's posted for days 17:42:28 <andythenorth> is openttd dying? 17:43:05 *** Guest198 [~chatzilla@host86-170-73-94.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:31 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-223-106-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:55 <peter1138> maybe you're looking in the wrong section? 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20:43:34 <andythenorth> or more? 20:43:57 <Rubidium> way more 20:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe OSX is dying? :)( 20:44:32 <Rubidium> in the good days there were like 10 open bugs (almost all OSX), but now the majority isn't OSX specific anymore 20:45:25 <andythenorth> is it dying from more users reporting bugs? 20:45:30 <andythenorth> dying by not dying? :P 20:45:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:46:34 <Rubidium> andythenorth: more like less people fixing bugs 20:48:19 <Superuser> what the heck, I just dl'ed the nightly and there's a new background game in the main menu? 20:48:35 <Superuser> I like it actually, do keep :) 20:49:02 <Rubidium> new ain't the right word 20:49:05 <Superuser> arctic maps are wayyy underrated, maybe this will make people pay attention to them 20:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Superuser: that title game is actually ANCIENT 20:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a builtin bug tester 20:49:35 <Superuser> ok calm down 20:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Superuser: the title game is traditionally switched every year 20:50:31 <Superuser> aaand crash - Assertion failed at line 169 of ..\src\window.cpp: widget_index < this->nested_array_size 20:50:39 <Zuu> Actually, I guess it is soon time for the next title game competition. 20:50:41 <Superuser> just the main menu :( 20:51:06 <Superuser> oh cool is there a place where you can see a gallery of them or something? 20:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> they are in the screenshot section of openttd.org, i think 20:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm no, they aren't 20:52:15 <Superuser> holy shit, that crash is driving me nuts (WinXP SP3, chaps) 20:52:20 <Superuser> if that helps 20:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Superuser: what helps is a bug report with the crash.log/crash.dmp/etc. files on bugs.openttd.org 20:52:54 <Superuser> I told you the line, isn't that enough -.- 20:52:56 <Zuu> Here is the thread of the last title game competition: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=57555 20:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Superuser: no it's not 20:53:12 <Rubidium> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/titlegame-1.2/ http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/titlegame-1.1/ http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/intro/round1/ 20:53:14 <V453000> come on driving nuts isnt that bad :( 20:53:44 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:01 <Rubidium> Superuser: given that line is called from hundreds of locations, it's not really useful 20:54:26 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:27 <Superuser> window.cpp? 20:54:45 <Rubidium> Superuser: any programming experience? 20:54:53 <Superuser> only scripting. 20:55:02 <Superuser> lua and ruby 20:55:12 <Superuser> and some python 20:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Superuser: what is needed is a backtrace how it got to that line. that it got to that line is fairly un-saying... 20:55:20 <Zuu> Superuser: If you can come up with a set of instructions on how to reproduce the crash, that would be useful. 20:55:47 <Superuser> okay... 20:56:02 <Rubidium> Superuser: then look at the code and tell me whether that looks buggy: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/window.cpp#L162 20:56:54 <Zuu> Oh, actually it is very easy to reproduce. Just click on the main menu window anywhere except at the buttons. 20:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: that doesn't do anything here... 20:58:15 <Superuser> that bug tracking system you use is really nice, almost as nice as MantisBT 20:58:36 <Superuser> I still prefer Roundup Tracker myself for its sheer simplicity : ) 20:58:45 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: On r24777? 20:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:59:20 <Zuu> Strange. And you click eg next to the quit button (but not on it) 20:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> linux, x64 20:59:47 <Zuu> interesting :-) 21:00:49 <Zuu> It happens for me with win32 but not win64. 21:01:23 <Rubidium> oh... *that* smells like a buffer overrun of sorts 21:01:24 <Zuu> s/win64/windows 64 bit/ 21:01:34 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 21:02:06 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.139] has joined #openttd 21:02:10 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:02:16 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:03:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... FIRS r891M... how ancient is that? :) 21:04:43 <Superuser> btw don't file a bug, it's uploading atm 21:04:59 <Superuser> the dumps and stuff I mean 21:05:17 <Superuser> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5378 ta-da! 21:07:07 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that's as ancient as the pyramids :P 21:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause> oh crazy old game with flat junctions without PBS :) 21:09:03 <SpComb> path signals = awesum 21:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i can spend ages looking at this screenshot :) http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/0.7/Klein_Elsmuenster2_krause_20090711.png 21:14:56 <Superuser> o_O_o_O_o_O_o 21:15:17 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:17 <SpComb> pretty weird 21:15:32 <Superuser> I love people's commitment to this game, it's like inspiring stories like this: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-12-10-year-long-civilisation-2-game-offers-grim-outlook-for-mankind 21:15:37 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah i remember that story 21:16:15 <SpComb> a little pathfinder work there 21:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> although it was cheated, that screenshot is filed under "0.7" but actually it was a paxdest game 21:19:43 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:19:44 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:25 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:58 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:24:58 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:05 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:28:05 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:19 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-094-223-106-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:39 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:54 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:39:25 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:25 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:26 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:46:02 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:46:19 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:47:22 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:47:51 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:17 * andythenorth -> sleep 21:53:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:03:44 *** Elu [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:03:57 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:04:38 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:10:17 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:10:18 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:41 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:14:49 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:15:01 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:22:21 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:14 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:40:24 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 22:40:56 *** Mister_Argent [~kvirc@c-98-226-56-20.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:46:21 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host86-157-219-238.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:00:57 <__ln___> i think there's something missing from the elrail graphics... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TrnlcStma4 23:05:19 *** Superuser [~Superuser@host86-157-219-238.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:05:22 <Superuser> When enabled, viewports will start to scroll when the mouse is near the edge of the window 23:05:45 <Superuser> Why not change this to 'When enabled, the map scrolls when the mouse is at the edge of the window'? 23:05:58 <Superuser> No-one knows what viewport means - I had to google it myself. 23:06:37 <__ln___> It's English, everybody knows English. 23:07:04 <Superuser> most RTS players just say 'the map scrolls' :P 23:07:26 <Superuser> and get pissed off when annoying bugs mean it doesn't scroll, like in Europa Universalis III, lol 23:07:37 <Superuser> but seriously, that is just confusing 23:08:46 <Superuser> Unless I'm missing something here, like viewports being something more than just the map. 23:09:59 <Superuser> and besides, that's the help text. The string for the setting itself says 'Pan window when mouse is at the edge: {STRING}' 23:10:15 <Superuser> you need to think like designers, not developers and use more approachable terms, really 23:11:29 <Psyk> __ln___: its nice, I always wanted to see what is outside the train while travelling at night 23:18:00 *** Xotic750 [~xotic750@static-81.216.64.210.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln___: what do you mean? all these features are in openttd :) 23:32:22 <FLHerne> Superuser: Don't forget that a 'Map' window exists ;-) 23:32:40 <Superuser> Huh... I'm confused... 23:33:27 <FLHerne> Well, there's a separate window to show the map, right? As well as the main viewport and the creatable ones 23:34:07 <FLHerne> So 'Map scrolls when mouse is at the edge' would be somewhere between 'very ambiguous' and 'wrong' :P 23:37:00 <Superuser> oh, this is just for the separate map then? 23:37:16 <Superuser> like, the one you can bring up? 23:37:49 <FLHerne> No, in fact the map is the one that *doesn't* scroll when the cursor is near the edge of its window :P 23:38:42 <FLHerne> So the answer to <Superuser> Why not change this to 'When enabled, the map scrolls when the mouse is at the edge of the window'? is: The map doesn't do that - the viewports do 23:40:07 <Superuser> really? I just enabled it, and it scrolled... 23:40:35 <Superuser> so to clarify; viewport = minimap you can bring up 23:41:47 <FLHerne> Nope. 23:41:53 * FLHerne draws on a screenshot 23:46:08 <FLHerne> http://imgur.com/TCjIo 23:46:53 <Superuser> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 23:46:55 <Superuser> I get it now 23:47:06 <Superuser> idiot su :) 23:47:33 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-050-103.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:47:56 <FLHerne> Superuser: I think you had your names backward :P