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00:01:00 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:14 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-5d854b8d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:10 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@vpnx159.nemendur.hi.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:57 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 00:14:26 *** Guest5895 [~Rock@ip104-224-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 00:15:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 01:42:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17:03 <Supercheese> bleh, I hate that I have no idea how hot 50°C is 02:17:29 <Supercheese> friggin' everything is in Fahrenheit here, though :( 02:17:54 <Supercheese> 128°F, that I know 02:19:04 <Supercheese> 53°C, rather 02:20:29 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:07 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #openttd 02:31:21 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 02:35:12 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 02:43:12 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 02:45:35 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 02:49:51 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 02:56:39 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:49 *** pugi_ [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-002-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 03:08:45 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-037-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:47 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 03:20:21 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-5d8210b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:27:42 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f533.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:29:08 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-002-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 03:49:23 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.82.150] has joined #openttd 04:13:28 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 04:28:14 <Flygon> Supercheese: 50c is pretty darned hot 04:28:21 <Flygon> I can say that as an Australian :B 04:29:32 <Supercheese> I was doing homework for my engineering class, that was the final temperature of a pipe surface I calculated. Well, it ended up being in Kelvin, but they wanted the answer in Celsius 04:30:08 <Supercheese> of course I don't think in Kelvin nor Celsius, so I also had to convert to °F 05:07:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 05:10:22 <Flygon> Wow 05:18:38 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:19:21 *** kamnet [42571296@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:21:15 <kamnet> Good morning to anybody who might be awake. 05:22:50 <kamnet> *yawns* 05:26:15 <Flygon> Menta 05:35:33 *** kamnet [42571296@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD521B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4840.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:25 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:04 *** Kimmey [bc714511@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:11:22 *** George is now known as Guest5961 06:11:26 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 06:16:34 *** Guest5961 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:57 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 06:55:05 <peter1138> moo 06:59:00 <Supercheese> baa 06:59:12 <Supercheese> alternatively: Masters of Orion? 07:12:05 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 07:17:10 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-12-222.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:17:22 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 07:21:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:22:34 <andythenorth> Pikka ponk 07:22:34 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corus_Trojan_locomotive 07:22:38 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSB_Di8 07:22:42 <Pikka> don't they 07:22:45 <andythenorth> yup 07:23:27 <Pikka> Top speed 24 km/h (15 mph) 07:23:29 <Pikka> yay 07:23:34 <andythenorth> he 07:23:39 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:23:41 <andythenorth> replaces the gronk? 07:23:42 <andythenorth> :P 07:24:01 <andythenorth> I might draw them for add on set 07:24:04 <andythenorth> and cheat the stats 07:24:08 <Pikka> Di 8, another non-UK loading gauge loco not used on the mainline \o/ 07:24:12 <andythenorth> yes :) 07:24:25 <Pikka> may as well add an SW1200 while we're at it 07:24:26 <andythenorth> 'industrial trackage' 07:24:27 <andythenorth> :P 07:24:37 <andythenorth> sw1001 07:24:57 <Pikka> or whichever one it was 07:25:45 <andythenorth> just forbid bridges 07:25:47 <andythenorth> and stations 07:26:20 <andythenorth> and tunnels 07:27:12 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:28:05 <Pikka> yes 07:28:17 <Pikka> that will be a useful train, that can't use stations :) 07:28:31 <andythenorth> limit it to hauling these http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/7138223775_b4b608970f_z.jpg 07:29:38 <andythenorth> it's hard to tell on irc, but you give me the impression that this is not idea of the century for you? o_O 07:29:52 <Pikka> :O 07:30:01 <Pikka> also, amazingly, scuddles trains are not jammed 07:30:16 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:30:50 <andythenorth> they're all very sensible 07:30:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 07:31:12 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 07:34:21 <andythenorth> if I draw diagonal canals, can we have diagonal canals? 07:34:34 <Supercheese> You've heard my proposal for that :P 07:41:06 <peter1138> i did half-rivers once 07:42:57 <andythenorth> could you manage it again? 07:53:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:58:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r24946 trunk/src/lang/english_AU.txt (2013-01-28 07:58:49 UTC) 07:58:56 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5393]: Australians aren't snakesssss 07:59:48 <peter1138> or maybe they are 07:59:53 <peter1138> are you a snake? 08:06:35 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:45 <Supercheese> Aussssstrailian railwayssssss 08:07:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 08:08:38 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:16 <Supercheese> good night 08:16:26 *** Celestar_ is now known as Celestar 08:16:27 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0.1/20130116073211]] 08:16:38 <__ln__> for some values of night 08:17:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:51 <peter1138> indeed 08:19:57 *** Kimmey [d9c73688@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:21:18 <Kimmey> how do we config the sea in the dedicated serv? 08:22:28 <peter1138> quantity_sea_lakes 08:22:37 <peter1138> and custom_sea_level 08:23:32 <Kimmey> to 0 ? 08:23:49 <peter1138> hnm? 08:24:20 <Kimmey> custom sea_lvl to 0 ? 08:24:36 <peter1138> depends how much sea you want 08:24:44 <Kimmey> i want dont want so mutch -.- 08:25:27 <peter1138> custom_sea_level is only used if quantity_sea_lakes is 4 08:25:48 <peter1138> (which corresponds to Custom in the UI) 08:25:57 <peter1138> custom_sea_level minimum is 1 08:29:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:29:58 <Kimmey> thx i got it :D 08:30:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 08:35:25 <peter1138> hmm ships take ages to accelerate to 180mph :p 08:35:30 <peter1138> never mind that ships use knots 08:36:29 <V453000> 180mph ships? :D 08:37:04 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:47 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:04 <peter1138> water speed record is... 317 mph, heh 08:39:40 <peter1138> hmm 08:39:52 <peter1138> the water speed record has an 85% fatality rate... scary 08:45:46 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 08:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> don't do that then :p 08:49:22 <peter1138> yeah good idea 08:51:38 <Celestar> damn I sometimes hate mailing lists 08:52:05 <Celestar> Q: "How do I do <action> on an ext4 file system?" -- A: "I think you should use XFS, it's a better file system" 08:52:15 <peter1138> haha 08:52:33 <__ln__> would it feel better on a web-based forum? 08:52:49 <Celestar> not much >P 08:56:22 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 08:59:05 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:59:12 <Flygon> Gah, my trains are stupid 08:59:19 <Flygon> I tell them to autoreplace 08:59:25 <Flygon> COMPLETELY ignore depots 08:59:31 <Flygon> I got plenty of cahs... 08:59:33 <Flygon> cash* 08:59:46 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:09 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:30 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:22 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 09:24:13 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [] 09:29:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:31:32 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 09:31:32 *** George is now known as Guest5975 09:31:32 *** George|2 is now known as George 09:35:32 *** Guest5975 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:32 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-12-222.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:45:12 <peter1138> hmm 09:49:00 <planetmaker> moin 09:49:31 <planetmaker> Flygon, trains will ignore depots, if you have an explicit service order in their orders list 09:49:47 <Flygon> Explicit service order? 09:49:49 <Flygon> None of those 09:49:50 <planetmaker> for if no servicing is needed for breakdown reasons 09:50:08 <planetmaker> i.e. "no breakdowns" and "no servicing, if no breakdowns" 09:50:10 <Flygon> As it turns out, the signals were confusing the pathfinder 09:50:25 <Flygon> Kept on putting Pass-from-behind signals in front of depots 09:55:26 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:57:27 <peter1138> ooookay 09:57:34 <peter1138> raid controller is throwing up errors 09:57:44 <peter1138> raid controller manager says all drives are okay 09:58:21 <peter1138> (0x04:0x0023): Sector repair completed: port=1, LBA=0x2139E1 09:58:25 <peter1138> quite a lot of them 09:58:36 <Flygon> Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun 09:58:47 *** LSky` [~x@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:58:51 <peter1138> controller has a spare drive available but it's not using it 10:00:55 <peter1138> i can get a smart dump but it's just hex output, not parsed 10:03:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:09:09 <NGC3982> Morning. 10:20:09 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:25:23 <peter1138> http://git.fuzzle.org/openttd.git/commit/?h=servint&id=f8534f6ff83360b4e2881f6077b5e29fdb1def30 10:25:32 <peter1138> don't really like that change tbh 10:25:43 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-19.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:30:59 *** Kimmey [d9c73688@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:33:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc6c57.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:02 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:59:56 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/sUetsMd.png 11:00:03 <NGC3982> I can't get that train to go anywhere 11:00:11 <NGC3982> The train just before it just drove out and ..worked. 11:00:44 <NGC3982> wat! 11:00:48 <NGC3982> It crached 11:00:51 <NGC3982> In the depot :O 11:01:05 <andythenorth> hax 11:01:49 <NGC3982> For some reasons, two trains was in that depot 11:02:06 <NGC3982> Since two of my trains crached when i ignored the signal on the one i found in there. 11:02:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:00 <peter1138> crashed! 11:05:08 <peter1138> would you believe it can't pass a one-way signal? 11:05:27 <peter1138> hmm oh right it faces the other way 11:05:31 <peter1138> why would you put that signal there though? 11:05:39 <NGC3982> Of course it wont, but since parts (all of it) is still in the depot, shouldn't i see two trains in there? 11:06:04 <NGC3982> It will*. 11:06:07 <peter1138> not in the screenshot,no 11:06:37 <NGC3982> For esthetics. 11:07:21 <peter1138> to stop vehicles using it? 11:11:30 <NGC3982> I put it there since it looks goods. I did not realize that would make trains non-visible in depot, while traveling from it. 11:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a train that already left the depot, it won't show in the depot 11:12:22 <NGC3982> Why? When i do it manually on other depots (without the signal), it shows as green in the depot until it no longer reserves the track tile. 11:12:36 <NGC3982> Uhm, hold on. 11:12:38 <NGC3982> Wait, ignore that. 11:13:18 <NGC3982> Yes, i understand why this happends now. 11:13:23 * NGC3982 removes the signals. 11:21:00 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 12:00:12 *** MDerp [6c361373@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:00:26 *** MDerp [6c361373@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 12:22:50 *** SimKill [~SimKill@109.161.244.11] has joined #openttd 12:53:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:43 <peter1138> uh oh, a greenlight suggestions 13:08:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:23:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:28:22 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-2-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc6c57.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55:32 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:19:37 <peter1138> TRAVESTY 14:21:59 <andythenorth> yes 14:25:06 <Belugas> hello 14:25:42 <Belugas> toot toot concept???? 14:25:52 <peter1138> it's serious 14:25:54 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:25:58 <peter1138> the coffee machine has died 14:29:16 <andythenorth> terrible 14:29:31 <Belugas> ho fuck.. that is a tragedy! 14:31:01 * NGC3982 measures Peter's width and height for funeral purposes. 14:34:03 <peter1138> 6'6 14:34:11 <peter1138> for both :p 14:35:06 <NGC3982> :D 14:49:57 *** APTX [APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:20 <Belugas> so for now on, call him Mister peter1138! 14:55:50 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:57:37 <Flygon> peter1138: Just an inch away from being a Flygon! 15:00:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:00:53 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 15:01:19 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:14 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:15 <peter1138> hmm 15:03:18 <peter1138> anything else i can fix? 15:03:34 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C89E.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:46 <andythenorth> is the coffee machine fixed? 15:05:55 <peter1138> no 15:06:08 <peter1138> internal fuse blown i assume 15:06:59 <Flygon> It's a coffee machine from 1880 15:07:04 <Flygon> It's powered by coal 15:07:11 <Flygon> No fuses D: 15:08:06 <NGC3982> I hate myself. 15:08:14 <peter1138> so do we 15:08:29 <NGC3982> "Replace vehicles" and "Send to depot" seems to be very close to one another. 15:08:35 <NGC3982> peter1138: Oh you. 15:08:44 <peter1138> you're welcome :D 15:09:31 <V453000> :D 15:10:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:12:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4840.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4840.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:25 <FLHerne> Is there a reason why the bomb tool removes all rail tiles of a station? 15:17:43 <peter1138> because you're destroying the station 15:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> the bomb tool removes everything on every tile (that can be bombed) 15:17:53 <peter1138> if you want to remove bits of it just use the bulldozer tool 15:18:01 <FLHerne> The equivalent doesn't happen for road stations, and in my experience doesn't seem to be intended behaviour that often :P 15:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> the bomb tool also destroys the road on a road station. the bulldozer tool doesn't 15:18:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:18:47 <FLHerne> peter1138: In that case, shouldn't using the bomb on a road station remove all road stations? 15:19:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that is "inherited behaviour" from before non-uniform stations was introduced 15:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: just hit the undo knob if that happens :p 15:20:23 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Did anyone invent one? 15:20:31 * FLHerne could use an undo knob :D 15:20:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's called autosave 15:21:04 <peter1138> hehe 15:21:09 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:12 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Hah, true. Done that a few times, normally when I manage to kill >5000 people in a rail crash :-/ 15:21:16 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:22:21 <FLHerne> Double-deck carriages, long trains and playing at midnight don't do my casualty figures any good :-/ 15:23:19 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:40 <peter1138> o_O 15:41:08 <peter1138> yay bowie 15:45:13 <peter1138> # but this feels so unnatural, peter gabriel too 15:45:16 <peter1138> hmm 15:47:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:58:45 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:53 <__ln__> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/how-newegg-crushed-the-shopping-cart-patent-and-saved-online-retail/ 16:25:25 *** Maedhros [~maedhros@87.115.171.140] has joined #openttd 16:26:42 <peter1138> BUT I'M A SUBSTITUTE FOR ANOTHER GUY 16:32:09 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:16 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:34:34 <peter1138> so quiet 16:35:37 <Rubidium> oh, I thought you were the substitute for the guy that always talks ;) 16:36:26 <andythenorth> WHAT YOU MEAN ME 16:37:18 <__ln__> there can be only one 16:38:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:05 <V453000> :D 16:50:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:40 * peter1138 ponders doing that dependent engines thing 16:57:54 <peter1138> if (x is activated) activate y 16:58:33 <andythenorth> pikka asked for roadtypes 16:58:35 <andythenorth> but they smell 16:58:39 <andythenorth> I wouldn't even like them 16:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: so, the article starts ok, but the "interview" on the second page has a lot of noisy bullshit... 17:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: all in all, i'm really glad the EU threw out "software patents" 17:05:45 <__ln__> for the time being at least 17:06:09 <andythenorth> now what 17:06:11 * andythenorth wonders 17:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if you can troll patent trolls by trying to reimplement the patents they file. if you don't succeed, the patent would be invalid 17:12:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-023-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:28 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-002-254.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:52 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:29:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:30:32 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:59 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@vpnx198.nemendur.hi.is] has joined #openttd 17:33:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd99d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:19 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:53:44 <andythenorth> hm 17:53:47 <peter1138> hm 17:53:50 <andythenorth> yes 17:53:53 <peter1138> no 17:54:06 <andythenorth> well that makes my life easier 17:54:10 <peter1138> ok 17:54:12 <andythenorth> I won't then 17:55:36 <andythenorth> need industry window text that varies according to economy parameter 17:55:42 <andythenorth> probly a switch will do it :P 17:55:53 <andythenorth> that's like a varaction 2 in old money 17:56:16 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.82.150] has quit [Quit: æ犻] 17:56:28 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.82.150] has joined #openttd 17:59:20 <frosch123> hmm, i wonder whether asking your gf to translate for ottd works out 17:59:47 <MNIM> inly in return for favours 18:00:48 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:27 <Terkhen> hello 18:05:35 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:08 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 18:11:19 <peter1138> hmm, chips 18:11:24 <peter1138> fish & chips 18:11:43 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:12:31 <andythenorth> hot dog 18:12:34 <andythenorth> jumping frog 18:15:15 <peter1138> is CHIPS an initialism? 18:16:35 <andythenorth> ish 18:17:15 <peter1138> CHIPS Has Improved Player's Stations 18:17:16 <peter1138> I see 18:19:15 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:16 <peter1138> can i steal some graphics? 18:20:59 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Quit: [RESET]] 18:24:46 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:35 <George> Hello. Is there anybody here who can help whith AI question 18:26:56 <George> wiki says, that property 18 is not used by OpenTTDs NoAI API. 18:27:39 <George> How should the train inform AI that this engine is not designed to be used by AI? 18:27:47 <planetmaker> not at all 18:27:56 <planetmaker> and hi George 18:28:09 <George> previously setting prop 18 to 0 solved the problem 18:28:14 <planetmaker> AIs are supposed to have access to everything. So that (mis)feature is not available 18:29:08 <George> how to tell the AI that CHS7 should be used only by buying 2 engines for one consist 18:29:17 <George> or should not be used 18:29:34 <George> at all 18:29:41 <planetmaker> you cannot 18:29:53 <George> and what to do& 18:29:56 <planetmaker> And tbh, it's a rule a human won't obey necessarily either 18:29:57 <George> ? 18:30:07 <planetmaker> make an articulated consist and enforce it 18:30:37 <andythenorth> hmm 18:30:38 <George> unfortunately it is possible to buy more of them 18:30:43 <andythenorth> switches can be wrapped in in if {} 18:30:44 <George> but at leas 2 18:30:44 <andythenorth> ? 18:31:11 <planetmaker> I don't get that condition, George 18:31:15 <planetmaker> I don't understand 18:31:25 <George> a human would get error message when trying to start consist 18:31:27 <planetmaker> As player I could also buy the engine once, twice, three times... ? 18:31:37 <planetmaker> the AI would get that, too 18:31:44 <George> you can 18:32:03 <George> but you need to connect at least 2 to run the consist 18:32:03 <peter1138> // warning about grfcodec/nforenum are fucking retarded 18:32:05 <peter1138> lol 18:32:10 <peter1138> andythenorth checks his patches ;) 18:32:22 <peter1138> hmm, actually maybe not 18:32:24 <peter1138> that's my repo :p 18:32:34 <planetmaker> George, but... then you should make it an articulated vehicle which... requires itself 2x ? 18:32:34 <andythenorth> ho 18:33:03 <George> planetmaker: no 18:33:15 <George> you can buy 3 parts 18:33:29 <planetmaker> articulation with refit option would solve it easily 18:33:37 <planetmaker> and error-free 18:33:45 <planetmaker> also nicer for user, imho 18:33:46 <George> if I make it articulated from 2 parts it would be impossible to use 3. Only and 4 18:33:52 <George> 2 and 4 18:33:56 <planetmaker> than consists which are broken when not rule XY is followed 18:34:11 <planetmaker> just one vehicle. with refits to 2 3 or 4 parts 18:34:23 <planetmaker> ask andy how he treats his trams :-) 18:34:37 <andythenorth> I hate them :P 18:34:41 <andythenorth> stupid refits :) 18:34:48 <andythenorth> there has to be a better way 18:34:50 <George> It is not possible to change the price on refit (buy or sell the part) 18:35:11 <andythenorth> can set a refit cost 18:35:13 <planetmaker> of course refit cost can vary... 18:35:14 <andythenorth> I think it's signed 18:35:34 <George> also it would not be possible to change the number of parts in a later years when you can't buy a new one 18:35:46 <planetmaker> refit would still work 18:36:02 <George> in case they are parts you can assembly 2 3-part trains form 3 2-part trains 18:36:10 <planetmaker> your suggested solution has the backdraw you mention. Refit not 18:36:31 <peter1138> drawback :0 18:37:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:27 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@13-17-191-195.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:52 <andythenorth> new industry idea: oyster pearl farm 18:38:02 <planetmaker> cool. +1 @ andythenorth 18:38:05 <George> it is not a backdraw. It is intended behaviour, that is imposible with refit 18:38:36 <George> because in case of refit you would get 3 3part trains 18:38:58 <George> while it should be impossible, because it is not produced 18:39:01 <planetmaker> well. You can do as you want and likely screw AIs :-) 18:39:13 <George> but back to the origin 18:39:41 <George> How to make AI not mistaken? 18:40:05 <George> at least make it not to buy such "tricky" trains? 18:40:05 <planetmaker> use sensible rules. And not rules which even a human needs time to figure out by trial and error 18:40:14 <planetmaker> that's all the humans do. And that's all the AIs can do 18:40:18 <andythenorth> hrm 18:40:23 <andythenorth> I need a switch to do a thing 18:40:34 <andythenorth> planetmaker you want to get some FIRS commits under your belt? 18:40:43 * andythenorth has pseudo-flu 18:40:46 <Zuu> George: Make things that can be easily figured out without having access to a readme or text descriptions 18:41:04 <planetmaker> in principle yes. But not today... I'm off to bed soon... getting rid of nasty cold 18:41:29 <andythenorth> herp 18:41:30 <George> planetmaker: i would not change the rule. It is historical. My uestion is how to help the AI 18:41:35 <planetmaker> what would you have me do, andythenorth ? 18:41:45 <planetmaker> George, Zuu gave you the answer 18:41:49 <andythenorth> trying to vary a string according to parameter 18:41:53 <andythenorth> I'll figure it out 18:41:58 <andythenorth> I am +1 to bed :P 18:42:05 <andythenorth> but there will be a baby in it 18:42:06 <planetmaker> make and use rules which one can figure out w/o reading anything 18:42:19 <George> planetmaker: Zuu answered not to my question 18:42:25 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:53 <planetmaker> uhm, he did? 18:43:27 <George> I do not ask how to make the set that easy that the AI could use it 18:43:42 <Zuu> <George> How to make AI not mistaken? <--- I tried to answer this question 18:44:08 <planetmaker> or is "use easy to-figure-out-rules" no acceptable? 18:44:10 <George> I asked how to make AI work with the designed rules 18:44:13 <andythenorth> if I draw diagonal canals, would someone consider coding them? 18:44:25 <Zuu> http://noai.openttd.org/api/1.2.3/classAIEngine.html <--- these are the engine properties that are available to AIs 18:44:36 <andythenorth> I am bored of canals being on a grid :P 18:44:41 <andythenorth> of limited angles 18:44:49 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:53 <andythenorth> more angles! 18:44:55 <andythenorth> angles++ 18:45:20 <George> planetmaker: > or is "use easy to-figure-out-rules" no acceptable? Of cause not! 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24947 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-01-28 18:45:21 UTC) 18:45:31 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:32 <George> Rules are alredy designed 18:45:33 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 3 changes by AtomD 18:45:34 <DorpsGek> bulgarian - 16 changes by pdedinski 18:45:35 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 39 changes by oklmernok 18:45:36 <DorpsGek> japanese - 229 changes by Aknuth 18:45:37 <__ln__> talking about porn dvds or what? 18:45:43 <George> based on the railway history 18:46:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:46:16 <George> now I want to make AI work. At least not do mistakes 18:46:20 <Wolf01> o/ 18:47:53 <frosch123> George: for ais the same rules apply as for humans 18:48:02 <Zuu> George: Each AI have their own code which uses a the NoAI API. Either you make the engines or wagons that you want that AIs should avoid, look to bad to be a sensible selection or you need to change every AI. 18:48:03 <frosch123> if the start/stop check rejects certain compositions 18:48:06 <frosch123> it will also do so for ais 18:48:59 <George> Yes, it does 18:49:54 <George> But how would AI know that it should use two locomotives to start? 18:50:17 <George> Or some more tricky rule? 18:50:36 <Zuu> If you want to make a sound contribution to AIs, you could make a library that abstracts train composing with respect to all existing and future NewGRFs. I'm sure many AI authors would love a such library. 18:51:10 <George> I supposed it would be possible to say "this vehicle is too tricky for AI" (prop 18=0), but looks like this solution is ruined 18:51:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C89E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:51:42 <frosch123> the ai will notice itself what engine are too tricky 18:51:53 <George> How? 18:51:55 <frosch123> how could a newgrf make assumptions about what the ai is capable of 18:52:12 <frosch123> it will notice that the train cannot be started 18:52:21 <frosch123> just the same like every player who did not read the manual 18:52:40 <Zuu> Information that is hidden in vehicle callbacks are usually hidden to AIs when they select engines. The ai have to build an engine and using the vehicle that get created to try out what works and not. 18:52:45 <frosch123> they will damn the trainset, sell the train and go for road vehicles :p 18:52:46 <George> Not the GRF, but the GRF coder. By setting prop 18 for example 18:54:54 <George> frosch123: Do I undestand it right, that the train GRF coder should not think about AI? It is the AI's coder question to discover problems with the engine and stop using it? 18:56:08 <frosch123> yes, no 18:56:29 <frosch123> the ai coder has to code the ai in a way that it notices that the engines do not work as expected 18:56:39 <George> No? 18:56:52 <George> And what would it do in that case? 18:56:53 <frosch123> you asked two questions, i gave you two answers 18:57:03 <frosch123> that's up to the ai 18:57:11 <frosch123> likely it will sell the engine and try a different one 18:57:17 <George> I see. 18:57:31 <George> Is there any AI coders here? 18:57:38 <Zuu> <-- one 18:58:00 <George> What does your AI do when it can't start a train? 18:58:10 *** Kimmey [bc714511@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:17 <Zuu> Although I haven't made any work with trains. One reason for that is actually the engine + wagon compose hell. :-) 18:58:51 <Zuu> Another is that I have simply not have time to get there, keeping myself busy with RVs + aircraft + other projects 18:59:44 <George> Ok, when you would start working with trains please contakt me - I'll inform you about a real hell :) 19:00:21 <George> may be then we would find what to do with xUSSR train set tarin combination rules :) 19:00:39 <Kimmey> hello 19:02:42 <George> Is there any AI coders here who have coded train support? 19:02:44 <Kimmey> need some help 2 u :s 19:02:47 <Zuu> Maybe NewGRFs should be allowed to define consists which would appear in the buy menu. Basically a template for a full train. If a consist can have a length parameter to vary # of wagons, then there will not be 10k different consists :-) 19:02:58 <Kimmey> from* 19:03:12 <andythenorth> views 19:03:17 <George> Zuu - that would be good 19:03:46 <andythenorth> that might be a perversion of views 19:03:48 <andythenorth> hmm 19:03:54 <Kimmey> to make an dedicaded serv:) 19:04:10 <Zuu> Kimmey: 19:04:13 <Zuu> @get 3 19:04:13 <DorpsGek> Zuu: Don't ask to ask, just ask 19:04:41 <andythenorth> FIRS needs a load of translation updates 19:04:45 <andythenorth> if anyone's interested 19:05:23 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2081/ 19:05:35 <andythenorth> might release 0.9 soon 19:06:07 <Zuu> Kimmey: Also, unless its a server for eg. your friends to play at, there are already quite many servers online. But maybe you have specific plans that none of the existing servers live up to? 19:06:18 <Kimmey> can anyone help me? 19:06:49 <Zuu> Kimmey: It's easier if you ask your question rather than asking if you can ask it 19:07:51 <Kimmey> i lunched openttd.exe -D 19:08:14 <Kimmey> and i want to advertise the server 19:09:11 <Zuu> Since you are on Windows, you can start openttd.exe without "-D", configure it and then close OpenTTD. After that you can start it with -D. 19:09:34 <Zuu> This way you have access to graphical configuration which might be of help for you. 19:09:42 <Kimmey> just re install ? 19:10:13 <Zuu> No nead to re-install OpenTTD. 19:10:28 <Kimmey> where are u from? 19:10:36 <Kimmey> kk 19:11:09 <Kimmey> i only go and openttd.exe and settings? 19:12:36 <Zuu> openttd.exe -> Flera spelare (Eng: multiplayer) -> Starta server. For "Anslutning", select "Lan/Internet". 19:12:44 <Zuu> Assuming you run openttd in Swedish. 19:13:12 <Kimmey> jeg er norsk 19:14:39 <Zuu> Do you use nynorsk or bokmÃ¥l? 19:15:50 <Zuu> Fleirspiler -> Start jener -> Forbindelse -> Lan/Internett. 19:16:34 <andythenorth> in a string(FOO, string(BLAH)) can I instead reference a switch identifier to get the substring? 19:16:44 <andythenorth> string(FOO, switch_id)? 19:16:59 <Zuu> After having set this, you might need to configure your firewall and/or router. Otherwise incomming traffic to your server may not be able to reach you. 19:17:04 <Zuu> @ports 19:17:04 <DorpsGek> Zuu: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 19:17:47 <Zuu> Make sure TCP and UDP is forwarded/enabled for port 3979 and 3978. 19:18:41 <Zuu> With some delay (up to some 5-15 minutes or so), you can use our server list on the website to confirm when you have succeded: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers 19:22:28 <Kimmey> so i have to go to the router and write in 3979 and 3978 ? 19:24:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-55-56.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:53 <andythenorth> anyone know where string() is documented for nml 19:26:23 <andythenorth> newgrf wiki search produces 26 resuls, none seem to be what I want 19:30:19 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:01 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:36:08 <andythenorth> ugh 19:36:13 <andythenorth> simplest things can be most work 19:36:23 <andythenorth> simply changing a string means recoding every industry :P 19:36:26 <andythenorth> lolwut? 19:36:27 <andythenorth> yes 19:38:36 <Supercheese> string theory again, eh? ;) 19:48:51 <peter1138> i give up 19:49:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:39 <peter1138> eh 19:50:44 <peter1138> decode chips 19:50:56 <peter1138> some sprites are in dos palette, some are in windows palette... o_O 19:51:52 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:53:34 <andythenorth> eh? 19:53:40 <andythenorth> did I do that? :P 19:53:44 <peter1138> dunno 19:53:52 <andythenorth> I switched to dos last year or so 19:53:56 <Supercheese> So, hmm, some folks have Bananas questions, regarding if/when information is uploaded to Bananas 19:53:59 <andythenorth> I thought I batch converted 19:54:22 <Supercheese> I'd conjecture the only time stuff uploaded to Bananas servers when the client says "I want to download this thingy here" 19:54:30 <Supercheese> stuff is* 19:54:53 <peter1138> a request is not exactly an upload 19:54:58 <Supercheese> The rest of the communication is just downloading info from Bananas and comparing that to the local stuff on disk, yes? 19:55:00 <andythenorth> you mean 'phone home' stuff? 19:55:08 <Supercheese> Right, "request" being a pseudo-upload 19:55:11 <Supercheese> packets sent 19:55:28 <andythenorth> it'll be a POST or something 19:55:31 <andythenorth> or GET 19:55:34 * andythenorth guesses 19:55:47 <andythenorth> it'll send some vars about what it wants 19:55:51 <andythenorth> and some control info 19:55:56 <Supercheese> what about information about what the client already has, that's all controlled locally right? 19:56:10 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:10 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:56:15 <frosch123> the client does not tell the server what it has 19:56:21 <andythenorth> if we had that info, we'd make charts :) 19:56:27 <Supercheese> thanks frosch 19:56:31 <frosch123> the server just sends the ids and md5sum of everything it likes to offer the client 19:56:39 <Supercheese> exactly what I expected, yeah 19:58:31 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:58:51 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 20:00:31 <andythenorth> I swear new FIRS is broken someway that I haven't spotted :P 20:00:36 <andythenorth> but anyway, it's on bananasasa 20:00:40 <andythenorth> test for yourselves :P 20:00:49 <Supercheese> :) 20:01:02 <andythenorth> supply requirements are smaller for primary industries 20:01:15 <andythenorth> as in all my games, all metal / wood / petrol production goes back to make supplies 20:01:19 <Supercheese> didja add a parameter for that or not? 20:01:22 <andythenorth> nope 20:01:25 <Supercheese> k 20:01:26 <andythenorth> and farms were really hard 20:01:31 <andythenorth> so they're eased further 20:01:36 <andythenorth> also there's a Port industry 20:01:53 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:04 <andythenorth> ^ Flherne hates FIRS 20:02:10 <andythenorth> he's gone off in a huff 20:05:26 *** Fira [artix@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:06:39 <NGC3982> FIRS is my primary way of playing OpenTTD. 20:06:45 <NGC3982> Tis' be neat. 20:09:42 <peter1138> Supercheese, was it simuscape people asking? :p 20:09:53 <Supercheese> yeap 20:09:58 <peter1138> how *did* i guess 20:10:29 <Supercheese> It seems like it should be obvious no information is sent to the Bananas servers... but I guess it isn't 20:11:44 <peter1138> yeah well, there is a caveat 20:11:57 <peter1138> if you run a server, clients query it to get the newgrf list 20:12:55 <frosch123> maybe they are confusing bananas with the master server 20:12:58 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:02 <peter1138> if you run a public server, that is queried by the master server 20:13:23 <peter1138> but that's only a newgrf list of files that are in use 20:14:07 <frosch123> Supercheese: the masterserver collects a list of all grfs and their names which have ever been used on a public server http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/newgrf.html 20:15:32 <Rubidium> ... to fill http://www.openttd.org/en/servers (which lists the used NewGRFs) 20:15:42 *** Kimmey [bc714511@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:16:14 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@vpnx198.nemendur.hi.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:29 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 20:18:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:24 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:20:25 <Supercheese> Ok, quoted the relevant lines above, hopefully that'll sort out the Simuscape-folk questions 20:21:53 <Supercheese> Andy: "Change: plural forms in NML are now decimal like in OpenTTD lang files. Adopt the Slovakian lang file accordingly" 20:22:01 <Supercheese> should that be "adapt"...? 20:22:18 <Supercheese> or am I reading that wrong? 20:23:19 <andythenorth> dunno 20:23:21 <andythenorth> not my commit :) 20:23:27 <andythenorth> probably though 20:24:47 <Supercheese> very minor detail 20:29:03 <andythenorth> someone test the port? 20:29:10 <andythenorth> I haven't actually used it in a game 20:29:12 <Supercheese> Basic Arctic only eh? 20:29:15 <andythenorth> yup 20:29:16 <peter1138> nobody tests stuff 20:29:30 <andythenorth> I used to :P 20:29:38 <andythenorth> now I just copy working code from elsewhere :P 20:29:41 <andythenorth> cargo cult 20:29:55 <Supercheese> Damnit andy 20:29:59 <Supercheese> now I have to redo the parameters 20:30:04 <andythenorth> yes of course 20:30:14 <andythenorth> you can't just change them on a running game o_O 20:30:17 <Supercheese> at least "Favorable" is spelled correctly now :P 20:30:33 <andythenorth> oic 20:30:36 <andythenorth> translations 20:30:42 <andythenorth> languages are a mess right now 20:30:53 <Supercheese> languages are always a mess 20:30:58 <Supercheese> since Babel :P 20:31:06 <andythenorth> post changes on a ticket, I'll commit 20:31:25 <andythenorth> it needs a 0.9.1 release for lang stuff soon 20:31:34 <andythenorth> Terkhen: ^ :) 20:32:28 <Supercheese> Sheesh, 5 industries are yellow on the minimap 20:32:41 <Supercheese> Brewery, Grocery Store, Hotel, Oil Refinery, and Port 20:32:41 <andythenorth> he 20:32:56 <andythenorth> most of those are near town too 20:33:06 <andythenorth> there's only a couple viable colours in town 20:33:08 <andythenorth> white and yellow 20:33:13 <andythenorth> port could be some other colour 20:34:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.185.3] has joined #openttd 20:34:11 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:41 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 20:34:56 <Supercheese> Huh, Goods only come from Paper Mills in Arctic Basic 20:35:59 <Terkhen> andythenorth: did you change many strings? if it requires checking many changes I won't be able to look into it for two or three days 20:36:09 <andythenorth> just one I think 20:36:16 <andythenorth> Supercheese: it's Basic :P 20:37:10 <Supercheese> Ports love to spawn in small lakes :P 20:37:33 <Supercheese> only 2 of 6 have a connection to map edge (256x512 map) 20:38:04 <Supercheese> of course there's not much of a way to check for that connection via grf, methinks 20:40:00 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C89E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:56 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 20:42:05 <andythenorth> I can think of ways 20:42:08 <andythenorth> but they're ugly 20:42:33 <andythenorth> like walk tiles outwards in a spiral 20:42:54 <andythenorth> it would be nice to have a var during tile checks 20:43:40 <andythenorth> measure water body size / measure minimum distance to map edge (pathfinder) 20:44:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:46:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:22 <Terkhen> andythenorth: more like 31 :P 20:57:30 <andythenorth> oh 20:57:36 <andythenorth> I misread the output :( 20:57:37 <andythenorth> sorry 20:57:43 <Terkhen> I wonder how you manage to make so many changes between versions 20:58:02 <Terkhen> I'll try to do it tomorrow 20:59:43 * peter1138 blinks as this TTO game 20:59:48 <peter1138> apparently contains a steep slope :p 21:00:00 <peter1138> i mean a steep slope shore tile 21:02:17 <peter1138> MP_WATER at level 9? 21:02:20 <peter1138> in TTO? 21:03:12 <Supercheese> hax 21:08:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:24 *** Kimmey [bc714511@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:14:14 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:31 <Kimmey> Sooo, what's up? 21:15:34 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/fs5207.png 21:16:38 <frosch123> be carefule 21:16:44 <frosch123> looks like it might turn into a block hole 21:18:42 *** Kimmey [bc714511@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:20:13 <peter1138> yeh 21:21:02 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:38 <NGC3982> What on earth is that. 21:22:49 <NGC3982> Did Kimmey leave? 21:23:14 <NGC3982> He keeps sending me huge amounts of PM. 21:25:34 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:43 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 21:27:03 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/jnKbPEu.jpg 21:35:21 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:22 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: an easy way to find out whether someone is still here is to try to tab-complete his nickname 21:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: that image doesn't load 21:36:07 <frosch123> it's no jpg 21:36:15 <frosch123> it's a gif 21:36:27 <frosch123> some douchbag saved it and your browser fails for it 21:36:31 <NGC3982> Yes, but i was un-aware of him changing his nickname or not. Circumstances make me ignore everything that is not user text on IRC. 21:36:47 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/jnKbPEu.gif 21:36:51 <NGC3982> Does that work better? 21:37:00 <NGC3982> I have no idea why the user that sent me it used .jpg. 21:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:37:41 <andythenorth> was it worth it? 21:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> clearly he ran the stop sign 21:40:19 <NGC3982> It was quiet a ruckus about it. 21:40:51 <Zuu> NGC3982: Kimmey PMed me 21:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody PMs me :/ 21:41:27 <NGC3982> How resilient. 21:41:58 <MNIM> Eddi|zuHause: actually, he didn't, his tracks were still for quite some time 21:42:06 <MNIM> but steel tracks get hot when running. 21:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "Burglars tried to break into the Berlin police's office for break-in protection, but failed at the break-in protection" 21:43:06 <MNIM> which turns a really grippy, big hunk of steel into a really slippy big hunk of steal still going the same speed 21:43:13 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Break-in-ception! 21:43:13 <MNIM> *steel 21:44:47 <andythenorth> hot loses grip? :o 21:45:30 <Eddi|zuHause> "Around 60% of the world's Top 1000 music videos on youtube are blocked in germany" 21:45:44 <NGC3982> Copyright poop. 21:45:55 <NGC3982> Or wait. What? 21:46:00 <andythenorth> I think in my next MP game, my castle will look like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Naarden_kl.JPG 21:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "around 19% are blocked in any country other than germany" 21:46:10 <andythenorth> but we need diagonal canals for that ^ 21:46:31 <peter1138> yeah, that grey tile is allegedly at height 3 21:46:35 <peter1138> not height 0 21:46:36 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: What is the main reasons? 21:46:43 <NGC3982> Are* 21:47:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: german's monopoly music copy right agency "GEMA" had a trial program allowing youtube to show the videos for a small royalty fee, that trial ran out in 2009 and the negotiations for a followup treaty went nowhere 21:48:25 <NGC3982> A small royalty fee, to who? 21:48:37 <NGC3982> The american record companies? 21:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> to the GEMA, which has some kind of key who to give the money to 21:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. X% go to international artists, Y% to domestic artists and Z% to publishers 21:49:14 <NGC3982> I fail to see how allowing it will not make more net profit for Germany. 21:49:23 <NGC3982> But then, i do not know of the details. 21:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> they demanded something like 1¢ per view, which google/youtube found excessive 21:49:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.185.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:57 <NGC3982> It is. 21:49:59 <NGC3982> Very. 21:50:12 <NGC3982> It sounds very ..sad, for you. 21:50:26 <NGC3982> It almost sound stubborn. 21:50:36 <NGC3982> Just doing it because they can, and soforth. 21:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well, and since then things escalated... 21:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and now you can't view any music on youtube... 21:56:45 <frosch123> NGC3982: they are doing it only to support the pirate party 21:56:47 <Rubidium> so what can you see? 21:57:16 <frosch123> everything which is not trendy 21:57:23 <frosch123> so, actually it might be for the better :p 21:57:45 <Eddi|zuHause> everything that does not have music of the last 70 years 21:58:09 <frosch123> there is no problem in finding non-popular music 21:58:20 <frosch123> (non main-stream) 21:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well it gave a great push for the gema-free music scene :) 21:59:18 <Rubidium> gema free? 21:59:20 <Rubidium> how can that be? 21:59:33 <frosch123> you can explicitly deny them to represent you 21:59:36 <Rubidium> doesn't gema get royalties for all and every "artist"? 21:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well, the composer can decide to not join the GEMA 21:59:56 <frosch123> but everyone who uses the stuff has to proof that the author denied them 22:00:26 <michi_cc> Of course it's all or nothing though, either everything of you is GEMA or nothing. 22:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the GEMA's position is "we assume we own the rights to this title until you prove otherwise" [so-called "GEMA-Vermutung"] 22:00:53 <frosch123> gema is no must, it's just that the assumptions when there is no proof are towards gema 22:02:20 <peter1138> i vote for closing that bu 22:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> also intereting in this context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmUvUcH5Wk [german] 22:02:21 <peter1138> *bug 22:02:33 <peter1138> fs#5207 22:02:33 <Rubidium> http://www.gva.be/nieuws/media-en-cultuur/aid1012176/ken-wood-en-suzy-wan-dan-toch-echte-artiesten.aspx <- they should try that in Germany; I guess the result will be the same 22:02:39 <peter1138> savegame is corrupt afaict 22:04:13 <frosch123> peter1138: i think we fix various ttd bugs when loading saves, but if there is no way to fix it, well, close it :) 22:04:28 <peter1138> i can work around m5 being wrong 22:04:34 <Rubidium> they went to the supermarket and bought some stuff, made up songs and then they had to pay royalties for something that doesn't even exist 22:04:46 <peter1138> but if heights are wrong then something else is broken 22:04:54 <peter1138> (and that's probably the reason for m5 being wrong too) 22:05:14 <peter1138> apparently it worked in 1.1.5... heh 22:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yes, that's certainly possible. the GEMA doesn't check whether a title is in their posession, because they don't have to. 22:06:37 <frosch123> peter1138: yes, we added more assertions; that's the reason why we fix ttd games at all :p 22:06:52 <frosch123> but yeah, if the heights are wrong, then there is very likely something very wrong 22:07:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so how do they know the right person gets paid? 22:08:04 <Rubidium> or is it like here, i.e. they never paid authors/producers because they can't figure out a way to determine it? 22:08:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> they don't... because the calculation of the distribution key is not public, nobody can say anything against it 22:09:17 <frosch123> i think the only thing they have to publish is how much they keep for themself :p 22:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and to become "full member" of the GEMA to influence this key calculation, you need to earn a lot of money in royalty fees the first place 22:10:00 <frosch123> so, yeah, it pretty much screams for corruption :p 22:11:20 <Terkhen> good night 22:20:55 <Wolf01> 'night 22:20:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:21:35 <NGC3982> What a boring situation. 22:21:36 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r24948 trunk/src/road_gui.cpp (2013-01-28 22:21:29 UTC) 22:21:37 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Do not assume CA_BUS and CA_TRUCK to be equal, instead let the compiler optimize the code if that is the case. (ComLock) 22:22:20 <NGC3982> Taking a shot in the dark and trying to make it not so sad, i can happily announce that i have just seen Seven of Nine for the first time, in Voyager. 22:23:15 <NGC3982> It's like tits with robot stuff on it. 22:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a fairly accurate and comprehensive description :p 22:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> she has meanwhile played in other series as well, e.g. Leverage 22:26:16 <Eddi|zuHause> with less... cleavage :p 22:26:35 <NGC3982> I have no idea what that is 22:26:36 * NGC3982 googles. 22:26:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's actually quite fun 22:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> with lots of star trek references in it (but none of them involving seven of nine. she only has a recurring guest role there) 22:30:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AB19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:56 <frosch123> night 22:36:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd99d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:49 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 22:38:21 <Supercheese> A pre-emptive warning, I think there will still be Simuscape-folk questions about OTTD & the online content 22:39:02 <Supercheese> someone will probably email or PM a dev with many questions in the near future 22:39:44 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Ooh. 22:48:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@13-17-191-195.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:12 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-106-122.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:48:31 <LordAro> " 22:48:33 <LordAro> ==25359== ERROR SUMMARY: 2449611 errors from 16 contexts (suppressed: 4 from 4)" 22:48:37 <LordAro> woops... 22:48:49 <Supercheese> That... is not a small number 22:50:34 <LordAro> indeed not 22:50:49 <LordAro> i blame a misunderstanding about when i have to free/delete memory :L 22:54:35 <LordAro> also, i suspect i have managed to corrupt some system memory - i'm getting some strange errors from bash... 22:57:04 <glx> LordAro: impossible 22:58:08 <LordAro> i'd have thought so, but i've never seen errors like "sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory" before... :L 23:00:53 <Supercheese> Hmm, is there any way for a .grf to get onto http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/newgrf.html other than it being used on a public server? 23:01:02 <Supercheese> or uploaded to Bananas I guess 23:02:33 <glx> this list is made from advertised servers 23:03:14 <Supercheese> So I'd expect the list to contain an grf IFF it was at some point used on a public server... hmm 23:03:22 <Supercheese> a grf* 23:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> does this list even get updated? 23:08:19 <Supercheese> Dang, that is a long list 23:09:20 <Supercheese> Haha, there's like a hundred entries of Long Vehicles 23:09:41 <Supercheese> even more for ECSes 23:11:42 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:48 *** mkv` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:19:26 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:53 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:38 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:26:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 23:34:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:39 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-106-122.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:52:21 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 23:58:07 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04e61c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd