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00:02:21 *** rainbowtux [~evdvelde@94-226-251-153.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:04:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B6B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:15 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-045-191.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:09:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 00:26:16 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ipd50adc22.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 00:31:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:21 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:26:06 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:15:04 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.120.228] has joined #openttd 02:34:35 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:43:37 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-51.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:57:10 *** will2 [~Wil2@46-65-12-121.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:01:45 *** wil3 [~Wil2@46-65-12-121.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6B263.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:02 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:14 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:21:41 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:50 *** namad8 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:34:36 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:28 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.120.228] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:34 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-100.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:54:55 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 05:18:36 *** DabuYu [~jkuckartz@128.250.79.183] has quit [] 05:32:09 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:32:32 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:59 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:44:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD55C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:35 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 06:00:30 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-253-197.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 06:03:16 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-251-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:04:37 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:17:49 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:57:25 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:11:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:17:47 <V453000> :D the new folder for screenshots confused the hell out of me :D 07:17:51 <V453000> good idea though 07:19:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:22:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BF91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:10 <V453000> the prophet of doom is back! 07:23:25 <V453000> so what is dying today andythenorth? :P 07:23:47 <andythenorth> NUTS 07:29:40 <V453000> OH 07:29:49 <V453000> actually, no NUTS release for the longest time so far :P 07:29:54 <V453000> SOOOO 07:30:26 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 07:30:26 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Pikka> I do not want to watch a half-hour video for the one little piece of information I need and which probably isn't in there anyway 07:30:36 <V453000> not like I am adding about 3000 sprites, no :D 07:30:39 <V453000> :P 07:32:01 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:33:32 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:40:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 08:01:23 <V453000> hm, how would I code something like ... "have every odd wagon get sprite A, have every even wagon get sprite B" 08:03:09 <V453000> ah, might not need that :D solved 08:29:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:36:04 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:19 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:38:27 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:39:23 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:42:24 <Zuu> @ports 08:42:24 <DorpsGek> Zuu: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 08:59:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:09:48 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:14:36 <Alberth> hi hi 09:16:59 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:17:20 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-38-199.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:34:50 <Terkhen> good morning 09:41:11 <Alberth> moin Terkhen 09:43:25 <Zuu> Hello 09:55:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:57:15 *** adamt [~adam@93-166-250-82-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:03 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:21 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-51.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:21:48 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:22:49 <LordAro> moin all 10:23:25 <andythenorth> o/ 10:27:00 <LordAro> hi andy 10:28:00 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:06 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-096-149.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:30:03 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:32:36 <LordAro> it's _still_ snowing... :L 10:33:53 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:02 <andythenorth> no snow here 10:35:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:36:00 <LordAro> not all that much on the ground here (~3 inches) but it hasn't stopped falling for the last 24 hours... 10:38:52 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:10 <Alberth> o/ 10:44:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009bb1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:56 <Zuu> We were supposed to get a "snow storm" last monday/thusday but only ended up geting a decimeter of snow. :-p 10:46:56 <LordAro> a 'decimeter' is quite a lot round here :P 10:54:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:21 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:05:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25117 trunk/src/game/game_text.cpp (2013-03-24 11:04:58 UTC) 11:05:05 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5511]: Silence warning. 11:20:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25118 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2013-03-24 11:20:37 UTC) 11:20:44 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Deduplicate basic line clipping code. (fonsinchen) 11:21:06 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:54 * andythenorth ponders extending CHIPS 11:27:58 * frosch123 ponders ranting about editors doing automatic linewrapping 11:29:55 <peter1139> hmm, decimeter isn't commonly used 11:31:07 <frosch123> i believe it's more common than decameter though :p 11:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause> is that deca or deka? 11:31:45 <frosch123> hmm, good question 11:32:16 <frosch123> oh... the engish si prefix page does not list it :o 11:32:21 <frosch123> only hecto 11:32:35 <frosch123> ah, it's only missing at the top 11:32:38 <frosch123> it's "deca" 11:33:35 <frosch123> but, yeah, the prefix "da" is fairly unknown :) 11:34:39 <frosch123> oh, i did not know that the prefixes were added over time 11:34:53 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 11:36:03 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:29 <LordAro> frosch123: linewrapping: indeed http://code.google.com/p/freerct/source/detail?r=677 :) 11:36:55 <Zuu> In the land where we got a named unit for 10 km, decimeter is also quite commonly used. :-) 11:37:03 <LordAro> ^ i blame nano for that one :L 11:37:04 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 11:37:15 <Zuu> Especially when talking about amount of snow 11:37:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:37:43 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 11:38:04 *** adamt [~adam@93-166-250-82-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:05 *** tycoondemon [~sm0ck@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:37 <frosch123> oh, you got zephyris on the project :) 11:39:01 <frosch123> aw, and you have more followers on twitter than ottd :p 11:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a twitter account? 11:39:45 <frosch123> though the ratio tweets/followers is about equal 11:39:51 <frosch123> https://twitter.com/OpenTTDnews 11:39:56 <frosch123> https://twitter.com/FreeRCT 11:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, i'm not even remotely interested :p 11:40:50 <frosch123> social media is important! 11:40:58 <tycoondemon> egos are too 11:41:12 <frosch123> yup :) 11:41:30 <frosch123> whole websites are based on that 11:41:56 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:42:25 <andythenorth> twitter is just news 11:42:33 <LordAro> Zephyris has, yet again, drawn huge amounts of excellent graphics 11:42:35 * andythenorth goes back to python 11:43:19 * LordAro will be back shortly, assuming he doesn't screw his system up in the process 11:43:35 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-51.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:51:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:51:28 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:52:11 <andythenorth> if I have a docs folder where some files are generated, and some are static 11:52:35 <andythenorth> should I move the static ones into docs_src, then have the compiler mv them at compile time? 11:52:48 <andythenorth> otherwise it's confusing which files in docs are editable and which are generated :P 11:54:42 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25119 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2013-03-24 11:54:37 UTC) 11:54:43 <DorpsGek> -Codechange [FS#5512]: Improve the clipping/visiblity check before sending lines to blitter for drawing. (fonsinchen) 11:54:44 <Alberth> package them at a completely separate place? 11:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: that would be silly from a user's point of view 11:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: why would a user search in two different places for documentation? 11:56:05 <Alberth> I mean to build a complete distribution in a separate directory 11:56:24 <andythenorth> I keep editing the wrong file :P 11:56:25 <Alberth> ie copy or build everything intended to distribute into that directory 11:56:33 <andythenorth> ok 11:56:38 <Alberth> andythenorth: remove all but one :) 11:57:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD55C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:04:15 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:06:17 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-51.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:31 <LordAro> excellent, that worked 12:14:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DDC7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 12:18:06 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:18:28 * andythenorth should not be left alone to write makefiles 12:21:36 <andythenorth> planetmaker: could you help me with FIRS makefile (if it's convenient)? o_O 12:27:25 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 12:31:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:34 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:06 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 12:32:57 <Alberth> planet maker seems kind of absent nowadays 12:33:51 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:50 <andythenorth> many are :) 12:38:00 <andythenorth> hence my 'is dying' doom and gloom :D 12:39:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:45 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:40:43 <LordAro> he was here yesterday 12:42:31 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:43 *** the_oracle [724c9530@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:19 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:55 *** the_oracle [724c9530@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 12:46:46 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:51 *** wil3 [~Wil2@46-65-12-121.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:58:51 *** will2 [~Wil2@46-65-12-121.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:11:56 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:12 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 13:15:39 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:23 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:20:37 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:20:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:01 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:17 <frosch123> hmm, if ottd dies... would that open the option to get zombies onto the project? :p 13:37:35 <frosch123> i heard zombies are good at programming 13:38:04 <frosch123> not sure whether they go well with unicorns though 13:38:31 <LordAro> or ponys 13:38:56 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 13:44:56 *** Thomas6966 [~Thomas696@tmo-103-3.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #openttd 13:45:17 <Thomas6966> Hello... 13:45:43 <Thomas6966> can somebody help me with the size of letters in the game? 13:46:24 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_troubleshooting#My_User_Interface_is_too_small_to_read <- the wiki can 13:49:25 <LordAro> frosch123: did you bring that up in your browser or did you type it out? :P 13:50:02 <Alberth> a standard set of bookmarked links :) 13:51:43 <Thomas6966> thanks a lot frosch... this sentence: "Note that you must change both the font and size entries for your changes to have any effect " in the FAQ was the important sentence :) 13:53:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:42 <frosch123> you are welcome :) 14:05:12 <LordAro> so, what's everybody doing? 14:05:41 <frosch123> watching sc2 14:07:47 <LordAro> starcraft? 14:07:52 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:58 <LordAro> or simcity? 14:08:07 <frosch123> hots 14:08:45 <frosch123> hmm, the stream died in the deciding match :p 14:08:58 <LordAro> hots? 14:09:15 <frosch123> the current expansion of sc2 14:09:22 <LordAro> i see 14:09:56 * Zuu alternates between cleaning his apartment while listening to the radio and tying to find inspiration for what to do. 14:10:52 <LordAro> surely you could do all of those at the same time? :P 14:11:24 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 14:11:25 <frosch123> finding an inspiration in cleaning your room? :o 14:12:30 <Zuu> More like finding inspiration for possible what hobby project to spend time with. 14:12:55 <Zuu> But maybe that is good because then more cleaning get done :-) 14:12:59 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@199-255-213-106.anchorfree.com] has joined #openttd 14:13:00 <LordAro> a 4 letter acronym springs to mind :P 14:14:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:15:07 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 14:15:32 <Flygon> Super Hydralic Instantanious Transport? 14:15:51 <LordAro> lol 14:15:57 <Flygon> Now if there was a GRF for that 14:16:04 <Flygon> But the movie never revealed the design 14:16:10 <Flygon> Hyvaa yota 14:17:33 <LordAro> still snowing a bit here... 14:17:34 * andythenorth is holding a toddler who is learning how to build ottd track 14:17:47 <LordAro> although it seems to be meliting faster than it's coming down 14:17:52 <andythenorth> and wondering how to get a 2x and 4x zoom for the GUI as well as the game viewport 14:18:13 <LordAro> Big GUI ? 14:18:20 <LordAro> or whatever it's called 14:18:22 <andythenorth> meh 14:18:25 <andythenorth> it's not the original? 14:18:31 <LordAro> it mostly works :L 14:18:56 <andythenorth> I have a 1280x800 screen, and I want a double-sized 640x400 game window for it 14:19:15 <andythenorth> I can't run full screen at lower resolutions in OS X anymore :( 14:19:33 <andythenorth> and it was never very crisp anyway, as it wasn't the default screen resolution 14:19:46 <LordAro> there must be some sort of zoom software somewhere 14:19:49 <andythenorth> whereas if I use the OS X screen zoom tool, it looks awesome, but I have to scroll a lot 14:19:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:22:40 <frosch123> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2173/ <- start with that, fix all the glitches (which probly also apply to biggui), then we can make it a setting 14:23:50 <andythenorth> :o 14:23:53 <andythenorth> ok cool 14:23:55 <andythenorth> hmm 14:24:01 <LordAro> lol, easy as that :) 14:24:06 <andythenorth> biab, teaching toddlers to build in arctic 14:24:46 <LordAro> frosch123: you should add it to the todo list :) 14:25:59 <andythenorth> ugh 14:26:05 <andythenorth> maybe I just found a use for toyland :P 14:26:08 <andythenorth> user * 14:26:35 <LordAro> pffft. i always liked toyland 14:26:54 <LordAro> especially maddog's toyshop(?) that came with TTD 14:29:50 <LordAro> screw it, i'll play it now :) 14:31:54 <V453000> toyland is awesome! 14:31:58 <V453000> !! 14:32:00 <V453000> ! 14:32:01 <V453000> . 14:32:01 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@199-255-213-106.anchorfree.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:12 <LordAro> 14:32:22 <V453000> nuff sed 14:33:15 <LordAro> actually, no i won't play toyland now, cos Formula1 is on 14:33:20 <LordAro> i'll come back though :) 14:35:17 <andythenorth> also... 14:35:28 <andythenorth> we need to be able to colour vehicles individually 14:35:36 <andythenorth> according to at least one 3 year old 14:35:43 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 14:35:52 <frosch123> play nuts 14:36:06 <frosch123> resp. poke v to finish it :p 14:36:59 <andythenorth> spose I could do some horrible thing in newgrf 14:37:00 <andythenorth> :P 14:37:25 <andythenorth> now we have a nnbhbuce nice sy b subtype refit 14:37:34 <andythenorth> keyboarbd contention :P 14:37:55 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-31-253.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:20 <frosch123> are you now going to join the masses who tried to make a lego newgrf? 14:38:35 <andythenorth> nah 14:39:48 <andythenorth> apparently we need red snow :P 14:43:20 <frosch123> turning ottd into a zombie massacre game? 14:43:43 <frosch123> kill zombies with trains 14:44:31 <goodger> survival horror: the tower defence of 2012 14:44:45 <V453000> what isnt finished? :) 14:45:23 <V453000> also, colour schemes for train groups would be awesome, was saying that for ages too 14:46:04 <frosch123> oh yeah! andythenorth: we did not have a livery discussion for long :) 14:46:15 <andythenorth> true :P 14:46:35 <andythenorth> normally it is derailed by thirty-something railfans who are overly addicted to counting rivets 14:46:42 <andythenorth> the pov of a toddler is more interesting :P 15:00:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:01:53 <V453000> in fact I actually am consireding making my wagons use MU 15:02:10 <V453000> so you could recolour these wagons depending on track type at least 15:02:39 <frosch123> wagons changing colour when entering different track? :p 15:03:33 <V453000> no 15:03:38 <V453000> like the passenger wagon (rail) 15:03:43 <V453000> you only have -freight wagons- 15:04:02 <V453000> I figure if I use the MU flag on freight wagons it will make them use that too? 15:13:01 <HellTiger> hm will crashed plains disapear? 15:13:06 <HellTiger> or should i react 15:16:53 <HellTiger> and, about passengers, do i have to build trainstation very near to many buildings? 15:19:21 <V453000> no they will be there till you restart your pc 15:20:39 *** Ammler [~ammler@00012413.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone...] 15:20:53 *** Ammler [~ammler@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:24:55 <Zuu> HellTiger: The crashed aircraft will disapear in a few in-game months 15:25:28 <HellTiger> V453000: i did alrdy two times. it didnt helped. 15:25:31 <HellTiger> thanks Zuu 15:26:48 <frosch123> HellTiger: the population inside the covarage area of the station decides the pax and mail production 15:27:24 <frosch123> it's like industries, you only get the cargo if the industry is near the station 15:27:25 <HellTiger> ok 15:27:31 <frosch123> same holds for every single house 15:27:37 <HellTiger> ah! 15:27:46 <HellTiger> that was a great point :> 15:29:39 <Zuu> HellTiger: In English, an airplane is a flying thing with wings. A aircraft could be an airplane but also a helicopter or zepelin. Just "plane" is an abrivation of "airplane". In this game "aircraft" or "airplane" is used commonly. 15:30:13 <HellTiger> ok 15:30:42 <Zuu> "plains" is not airplane in plural :-) 15:31:00 <Zuu> Which is what V453000 tried to make a joke out of 15:31:52 <V453000> actually I didnt even notice the typo 15:31:54 <V453000> :( 15:37:31 <HellTiger> hm i tried some youtubes yet but i didnt find any single rail solutions where you have a small passing track at critical position 15:37:42 <HellTiger> is a two rail so common? 15:38:01 <Zuu> two way rail is cheap enough in OpenTTD. 15:39:36 <Zuu> I read that in Sweden about 17% of all tracks are double tracks (and the rest is single track. 3 or more is really uncommon) 15:39:51 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Tutorial/Two_Tracks 15:40:31 <HellTiger> i know from germany many single tracks 15:40:36 <Alberth> being too cheap is easily solved with a basecost modification grf :) 15:40:38 <HellTiger> and they where connected to very big industry 15:40:43 <HellTiger> like hoechst, bayer degusa 15:40:54 <HellTiger> there where some double ones some times 15:41:03 <HellTiger> and on stations ofc a lot more. 15:41:40 <frosch123> HellTiger: single track with passing points is common in the early game 15:42:11 <frosch123> at least i saw others doing it, not only me :p 15:43:02 <HellTiger> deep things. 15:43:09 <HellTiger> hurts a bit in the brain yet 15:43:17 <Zuu> Switzerland which is far more dense (than Sweden) have about 60% double tracks. Eg. even there, there are a considerable amount of single tracks. In OpenTTD, it is often just easier to double. Requires often less time and though than single track systems which only are worth the hassle when you are short in money. 15:44:38 <Alberth> or short on time, if you play to get a goal :) 15:45:54 <Zuu> Doing it double from start doesn't take longer time to build. Makeing the bypass lines and signaling them takes some effort. 15:47:39 <frosch123> usually i build a one line track, then the train, then the second track :) 15:47:47 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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:P 16:59:20 <andythenorth> o/ planetmaker 16:59:25 <Zuu> Hello planetmaker 17:01:46 *** HellTiger_ [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 17:02:50 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host81-148-243-80.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:03:40 *** LordAro is now known as Guest77 17:03:40 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 17:03:57 <LordAro> that's unusual 17:08:16 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:46 *** Guest77 [~LordAro@host86-165-37-51.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:28 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host86-165-38-152.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:35:56 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-243-80.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:07 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 17:56:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:06:23 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-34-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:37 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:24:33 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26:28 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:29:13 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host86-165-42-185.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:30:19 *** chester_ [~chester@128-72-199-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:31:04 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:35:06 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-38-152.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:22 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:41:15 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25120 /trunk/src/lang (unfinished/macedonian.txt vietnamese.txt) (2013-03-24 18:45:09 UTC) 18:45:17 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:18 <DorpsGek> macedonian - 1 changes by Ristovski 18:45:19 <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 2 changes by nglekhoi 18:54:07 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:28 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 19:19:53 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:35:59 <frosch123> andythenorth: the 2x gui zoom looks really scary actually 19:36:12 <frosch123> did it really look like that 18 years ago? 19:36:40 <andythenorth> yes 19:36:42 <andythenorth> big 19:36:45 <andythenorth> easy to use 19:37:00 <andythenorth> frosch123: you have a flat panel screen right? 19:37:14 <frosch123> yeah, that might make the pixels more rectangular 19:37:28 <andythenorth> in 1994, crts had pixels you could see if you put your eye close 19:37:37 <andythenorth> but they were round-ish :) 19:37:41 <andythenorth> and bled 19:37:46 <andythenorth> also they jittered somewhat 19:37:47 <andythenorth> :P 19:38:06 <andythenorth> 2x gui zoom looks good using my os zoom tool :) 19:41:06 <HellTiger_> strange, i just removed tracks directly on river to build bridge, but i have also bombed the river and can now just build tracks 19:41:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: the 2x zoom works surprisingly well 19:41:35 <HellTiger_> but now i see the costs! 19:41:57 <frosch123> the only stuff that is really broken are vehicles in lists, depot and such 19:42:17 <michi_cc> We already have all the loading and resizing code for zoom-level specific sprites, we "just" need to dynamically select a zoom level (i.e. you want to finish up http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/git/openttd.git/shortlog/refs/heads/ui ;) 19:42:19 <andythenorth> screenshot? 19:43:02 <frosch123> andythenorth: you did not test yourself? :( 19:43:09 <andythenorth> not yet 19:43:09 <frosch123> it's such an easy diff 19:43:22 <andythenorth> had a trip to hospital to glue a child's head back together earlier :P 19:43:33 <andythenorth> will test shortly 19:46:47 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/guizoom1.png http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/guizoom2.png 19:47:13 <frosch123> random selection of windows, with that one-line change :p 19:47:28 <frosch123> no idea what michi_cc might already have fixed :) 19:48:54 <michi_cc> Most of the stuff on your screenshot except those weired inconsistencies where some things use sprites and others font glyphs (like up/down scroll arrows compared to left/right scroll arrows). 19:50:56 <michi_cc> Which lead me on a tangential drift to font selection/ui, which lead to OSX CJK input with a diversion via the other upen OSX patches, which lead back to Windows CJK input, which lead to patching up the gapping holes on the non-Unicode windows build and some other Unicode fails. 19:51:58 <michi_cc> And if we start with e.g. the storyboard stuff we really need a proper text rendering engine that isn't completely ignoring things like combining characters :p 19:51:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25121 trunk/src/widget.cpp (2013-03-24 19:51:53 UTC) 19:52:00 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Editboxes could become too small when resizing windows. 19:52:34 <frosch123> michi_cc: do you want to add rtl support for editboxes to that list? :p 19:53:57 <frosch123> anyway, the intro GUI looks the most scariest of all those windows 19:54:05 <frosch123> maybe also the company gui :) 19:54:35 <michi_cc> The support itself is probably easy, but deciding when input is RTL and when LTR is the difficult part I'd guess. 19:55:19 <frosch123> one of the problem is that our editboxes have no horizontal scrolling 19:55:27 <frosch123> only a magic hack which works surprisingly well 19:56:25 <frosch123> if the text in the editbox is wider than the editbox, it always scrolls so that the cursor is at the right border 19:57:54 <frosch123> that's also why i was not able to implement cursor positioning with the mouse :p because you cannot position the cursor in the middle of an editbox if the text is longer 19:58:11 <michi_cc> Editbox handling (or textbuf morr exactly) could be made a little bit less magic in general by storing the characters as UTF-32 instead of UTF-8 (tiny bot confusing to store some values in pixels, bytes and characters), but I'm not sure where the length limits are arbitrarily set and where mandated by the network protocol. 19:58:43 <frosch123> i don't think that would improve anything 19:58:51 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d083839.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:58 <frosch123> considering rtl control characters and such 19:59:18 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 19:59:27 <frosch123> hmm, though maybe we do not allow entering those directly 20:00:42 <frosch123> but positioning the cursor when icu inserts ligatures 20:00:51 <frosch123> won't be easier :) 20:00:52 <michi_cc> It improves the code. CJK/IME handling for OS X must (and for Windows should) support painting not-yet-finished characters differently, and the current code is already quite complex because if the variable length characters. 20:01:20 <Zuu> frosch123: Detecting where a user clicked sounds very similar to my click-on-text patch :-) 20:01:36 <frosch123> Zuu: detecting is not the problem 20:01:43 <frosch123> just the editbox cannot draw a cursor in the middle 20:02:07 <Zuu> ok 20:02:10 <frosch123> because it always scrolls in a way which positions the cursor at the right border 20:03:06 <frosch123> and because the same textbuf can be displayed in multiple windows with differently sized editboxes, you cannot just add a scrolling variable to the textbuf :p 20:03:10 <frosch123> it needs to go to the widget 20:04:17 <Zuu> If I put more content into a widget than fits it, I can still move around the cursor in the visible area. 20:04:40 <frosch123> the cursor is always at the right 20:04:43 <Zuu> (using (ctrl)+arrows) 20:04:46 <frosch123> you cannot move it to the middle of the wdiget 20:05:00 <Zuu> Not? 20:05:10 <frosch123> unless the text is already scrolled to the very left 20:05:32 <Zuu> Ah, then it was that. 20:06:02 <frosch123> when the text is not scrolled to the very left, the cursor keys effectively scroll the editbox instead of only moving the cursor 20:06:21 <Zuu> Yes, I see that now. 20:10:24 <frosch123> detecting the click position is easy in the editbox, because there are only simple characters with the same size :) 20:10:38 <frosch123> no control codes and such, so you do not have to hook into the whole string system 20:11:09 <frosch123> though that is also the reason why rtl does not work :p 20:15:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 20:17:51 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-156-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:12 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:22 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-25.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:56 <HellTiger_> i am so confused. wich signal i place at entrance of station to force train not to turn? 20:21:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-34-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:39 <HellTiger_> ah maybe the one way path thing. 20:22:34 <Zuu> With path signaling you cannot force the train to not turn back by puting signals just before the station. Instead turn the signals infront of the station intersection from "path" to "oneway path" 20:24:13 <Zuu> HellTiger_: In this example you can see how I gave a suggestion to some forum user on how to improve signaling: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=169793 20:24:31 <HellTiger_> thanks! 20:25:02 <Zuu> The forum post with some comments is here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1071244#p1071244 20:36:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:36:49 *** chester_ [~chester@128-72-199-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:44:09 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:50:37 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ac158d4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:41 <andythenorth> frosch123: may I have the link to the zoom diff? (Can't find it in logs, must be blind) ;P 20:52:06 <frosch123> go to zoom_type.h 20:52:13 <frosch123> and change the GUI constant to 2x instead of 4x 20:52:45 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@9YYAABOPJ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 20:52:59 <andythenorth> ta 20:59:13 <andythenorth> fancy helping translate FIRS ahead of April 1? o_O http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/translations/ 20:59:20 <andythenorth> offer open to all :) 20:59:33 <andythenorth> who's czech? 20:59:40 <frosch123> v 20:59:50 <andythenorth> thought so :) 20:59:55 <frosch123> not sure whether he offers translations though :) 21:00:26 <frosch123> all czech i have meet, ranted about czech translations just like i rant over german :) 21:00:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: the 2x GUI zoom is awesome 21:01:01 <andythenorth> I don't care that the font doesn't zoom, it's totally legible 21:01:05 <frosch123> did you saw michi's git repo? 21:01:23 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-42-185.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:01:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: don't tell me you don't know how to change font size :o 21:01:31 <andythenorth> no idea 21:01:45 <andythenorth> adv. settings is borked 21:01:50 <andythenorth> the + icons 21:02:01 <frosch123> yup, also visible in my screenshot 21:02:06 <frosch123> the company gui is also fancy :p 21:02:09 <andythenorth> so are station guis etc 21:02:24 <frosch123> but wrt. playability the depot gui and vehicle list might be the most important ones 21:02:30 <andythenorth> oops, asset 21:02:32 <andythenorth> assert 21:02:39 <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/translations/ 21:02:41 <andythenorth> ? 21:02:43 <andythenorth> meh 21:02:46 <andythenorth> bad copy 21:02:53 <andythenorth> Assertion failed at line 153 of /Users/andy/Documents/workspace/openttd/src/core/math_func.hpp: min <= max 21:02:56 <Supercheese> 1 outdated string for US english? 21:02:58 <Supercheese> hrm 21:03:11 <frosch123> andythenorth: one of those things which you need to fix :) 21:03:18 <andythenorth> lovely :) 21:03:24 <Supercheese> "both" vs. "two or more" 21:03:26 <Supercheese> bah 21:03:28 <frosch123> some windows do not expect images to be bigger than they thought 21:03:58 <andythenorth> Supercheese: user-suggested via pm :P 21:04:03 <andythenorth> it was inconsistent 21:04:11 <Supercheese> eh, fix things however you see fit; just 1 strong :P 21:04:14 <Supercheese> string* 21:04:26 <andythenorth> frosch123: so think it's a plausible project, or a death march? o_O 21:04:43 <frosch123> take a look at michi_cc's git :) 21:05:15 <andythenorth> :) 21:05:38 *** Hannez [~Hannes@244.61.46.176.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 21:05:46 <andythenorth> it's probably the single best improvement I could think of in ottd 21:05:54 <andythenorth> "new features?" 21:05:59 <andythenorth> "no, make it look like 1994" :P 21:06:19 <Supercheese> GameFAQs poll supports the 90s' superiority 21:06:25 <Supercheese> http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=5033 21:06:51 *** Hannez [~Hannes@244.61.46.176.dyn.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 21:06:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-248-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:08 *** Hannez [~Hannes@244.61.46.176.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 21:07:17 *** Hannez [~Hannes@244.61.46.176.dyn.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 21:08:18 <frosch123> Supercheese: isn't that more like a profile of the readers? 21:08:38 <frosch123> i would think 80% consider those games best which they played at age 16 to 20 21:09:05 <Supercheese> Nah, the 90s were the best, totally objective ;) 21:09:33 <Supercheese> I was only 0-9 in that decade 21:09:52 <Supercheese> No bias whatsoever :P 21:10:57 * andythenorth tries 'regular' sized gui 21:10:59 <andythenorth> hmm 21:11:01 <andythenorth> squinty 21:11:04 <andythenorth> I need new eyes 21:11:37 <Supercheese> Google sells those, don't they? 21:11:45 <Supercheese> Or have those not hit the market yet? ;) 21:15:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD55C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:07 <andythenorth> FIRS docs, auto-generated http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/set_overview.html 21:17:09 <andythenorth> well 21:17:20 <andythenorth> 'docs' might be better 21:17:25 <andythenorth> sparse :P 21:18:06 <Zuu> Replace "_" with " "? 21:18:23 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:19:25 <andythenorth> I have more than that in mind :) 21:19:40 <andythenorth> I'm going to replicate this, only it will be....accurate http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/economies 21:19:53 <andythenorth> the old site is outdated, maintaining it against src was a PITA 21:20:25 <andythenorth> this one will be canonical, as it comes from src :) 21:21:06 <Supercheese> andy: no guano mine yet? :P 21:21:13 <andythenorth> not yet 21:21:16 <andythenorth> won't be in 1.0 21:21:21 <andythenorth> I have art for it 21:21:48 <Supercheese> I had never even heard of guano having industrial applications until FIRS mentioned it 21:21:55 <Supercheese> old website I think 21:22:37 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industries?economy=everything#guano_mine 21:22:45 <frosch123> i think if you use the clay pit, and just fill it with white stuff.... 21:22:50 <frosch123> it would look disgusting :p 21:22:52 <andythenorth> :P 21:24:36 <Supercheese> Huh, some nice quonset huts here: http://www.tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/industry_objects/survey_base 21:24:54 <Supercheese> what're the graphic sources? 21:25:09 <andythenorth> survey base 21:25:16 <andythenorth> Guano Mine from DanMacK http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4031/GuanoMine1.png 21:25:34 <andythenorth> I keep meaning to use those huts 21:25:37 <andythenorth> haven't found a purpose 21:25:44 <andythenorth> 'someone' should do newairports 21:25:46 <Supercheese> license for graphics? 21:25:56 <andythenorth> gpl 21:25:56 * Supercheese would add them to his object set 21:26:04 <Supercheese> would have to swap licenses then, hmmmm 21:26:20 <andythenorth> or by arrangement 21:26:28 <Supercheese> Danmack's? 21:26:52 <andythenorth> guano mine is 21:27:00 <andythenorth> survey base is me http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/show/graphics_sources/survey_base 21:29:22 <Supercheese> Ugh, file transfer operations just grind computers to a halt 21:29:41 <Supercheese> I just want to copy a gigabyte or two from place to place 21:30:01 <Supercheese> Firefox just dies while that's happening :( 21:30:37 <andythenorth> SSD 21:30:57 <andythenorth> FF has probably also eaten all your RAM and is in swap 21:30:57 <andythenorth> OS X? 21:31:09 <andythenorth> hmm wrong Super* 21:31:17 <Supercheese> the fox is a giant memory hog 21:31:55 <Supercheese> Windows probably is too 21:32:12 <Supercheese> Right click -> properties 21:32:18 <Supercheese> 45 seconds later, get results 21:32:48 <Supercheese> Oh jeez, now even Winamp is lagging 21:35:43 <HellTiger_> how do i skip a "send train to depot" 21:35:47 <HellTiger_> i didnt need anymore 21:35:50 <Supercheese> click it again? 21:35:52 <HellTiger_> and its not there yet 21:35:53 <HellTiger_> ah 21:36:04 <HellTiger_> thx 21:36:07 <Supercheese> you're welcome 21:38:45 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-25.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45:21 <Supercheese> derp, now windows has decided to lag out on a "moving to recycle bin" window 21:45:33 <Supercheese> no progress for ~3 minutes, can't close the window 21:53:12 <HellTiger_> where can i read in the log about closed fabrics? my target just disapeared while fast forward 21:53:46 <frosch123> top right, in the newspaper menu 21:53:58 <HellTiger_> its not in 21:54:20 <HellTiger_> ah now setted to full if closing 21:54:24 <glx> log size is limited 21:54:48 <HellTiger_> ye 21:54:49 <andythenorth> herp 21:55:07 <andythenorth> generating industry names for docs is tricky when they rely on the default OTTD string :P 21:55:09 <HellTiger_> warnings arent good handled yet while fast forward 21:55:43 <Zuu> andythenorth: Just implement the OpenTTD string parameter system :-p 21:55:49 <andythenorth> lovely 21:55:52 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-25.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:54 <frosch123> just remove powerplants and sawmills and such 21:58:03 <frosch123> ottd does not have a default string for guano mines 21:59:07 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:23 <HellTiger_> god damit, second factory just disapeard while train was pretty near. 22:01:25 <HellTiger_> FAK :D 22:02:02 <frosch123> it's weird :) i never encountered that problem 22:02:12 <frosch123> but sometimes people comlpani about it happening all the time 22:03:58 <HellTiger_> i am on learning signals 22:04:08 <HellTiger_> is there some auto pause setting for events? 22:05:07 <frosch123> no 22:05:14 <frosch123> and wouldn't make any sense for multiplayer 22:05:25 <HellTiger_> if i get enaraged enough i will make a feature request. 22:05:46 <frosch123> and ottd is quite targeted to multiplayer, i believe :) 22:06:34 <HellTiger_> oh 22:06:51 <HellTiger_> right i could not imaginate how it work, if some one just build into your way for fun 22:06:57 <frosch123> even though it might not relfect the majority of players :p 22:07:00 <andythenorth> what happens if I copy default industry names into FIRS? 22:07:03 <andythenorth> does the sky fall? 22:07:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07:31 <frosch123> you lose tamil translations of them 22:07:45 <frosch123> can you copy them to your doc script instead? 22:08:29 <andythenorth> yes 22:12:22 <HellTiger_> hrm quite strange to build just a extreme over huge station, then remove only single parts and the accept of other to far away goods is possible 22:12:59 <frosch123> press ctrl when building :p 22:13:05 <frosch123> then you can skip the "remove" part 22:13:39 <andythenorth> station walking 22:13:44 <frosch123> anyway, it's called "station walking" in the cheat book :p 22:13:45 <Supercheese> there's some strangeness about station rectangles and such 22:13:51 <Supercheese> for acceptance/delivering 22:14:17 <Supercheese> i.e. you can deliver cargo even if not directly in the catchment, or some such 22:14:42 <HellTiger_> what do you mean with holding crtl? i dont understand mechanics 22:14:45 <HellTiger_> what to do next 22:15:11 <frosch123> buld one station piece 22:15:28 <frosch123> then build a second one with ctrl+click some tiles aways fromit 22:15:39 <HellTiger_> ah now i see 22:16:05 <HellTiger_> oh man 22:16:10 <HellTiger_> now i am confused again. 22:16:15 <HellTiger_> i think i skip station walking for now 22:17:23 <HellTiger_> will it work just normal if i chain with just 1x1 things to a resource part near? i mean, i could chain up tons of stations 22:17:30 <HellTiger_> where is the litle problem about it 22:18:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:22:13 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:22:13 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:31:00 <Zuu> HellTiger_: The problem about it is that there is a setting called maximum station spread. It sets the limit of how large the total station rectangle can be. 22:31:15 <Zuu> Also, your idea of how the game should be played may set limits. 22:31:38 <Zuu> And thirdly MP server rules tend to have an idea on what is OK and not OK. 22:45:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BF91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:19 *** dck42 [~noone@164.8.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 22:56:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:20 <frosch123> night 22:58:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009bb1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:25 <HellTiger_> ho do i make curve for tunnel? 22:59:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not possible 23:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> tunnels and bridges must be straight 23:01:13 <HellTiger_> ok 23:09:25 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 23:12:40 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-31-253.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:01 <HellTiger_> is it ok just to transfare iron and let goods stock up? 23:26:35 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-25.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> your question doesn't make much sense 23:30:12 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:37 <HellTiger_> Eddi|zuHause: i wana deliver iron ore without gettint any steel from the same location yet. 23:31:24 <Eddi|zuHause> steel will not be piling up on your station until you send a wagon/truck to pick it up 23:33:56 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-25.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:36:43 <HellTiger_> thanks 23:42:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]