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09:30:56  <Terkhen> good morning
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10:28:38  * peter1139 ponders a pc upgrade
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10:45:50  <peter1139> or maybe... shock horror... a laptop
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10:53:50  <dihedral> oi
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11:10:59  <peter1139> hmm, what's the best way of sending X clients in a VM to the host machine?
11:11:15  <peter1139> i'm using ssh -X at the moment cos i'm lazy but encryption isn't exactly required
11:13:02  <Sacro> NX?
11:13:09  <Sacro> I personally like it
11:13:18  <__ln__> assuming trusted network, say "xhost +" on the host, and export DISPLAY=host:0.0 in the VM. no guarantees on bestness, but at least no encryption.
11:13:41  <Sacro> hah
11:13:53  <Sacro> and then set up port fowarding to the outside world
11:14:17  <__ln__> an honest person doesn't have anything to hide.
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11:21:36  <peter1139> No protocol specified
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11:21:38  <peter1139> o_O
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11:23:50  <peter1139> ah, xhost :D
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12:48:12  * peter1139 mumbles about stylecop complaining about tab characters
12:59:43  <Sacro> peter1139: heh, yes
12:59:58  <peter1139> arguments against tab characters are stupid
13:00:14  <peter1139> "it appears different depending on tab size" no shit, that's the point
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15:07:52  <alandarev> Hi all )
15:08:30  <alandarev> can anyone give me a link to tutorial setting up a server?
15:08:54  <alandarev> how can I configure a server to be something like a 'town growth challenge'
15:20:12  <planetmaker> Did you have a look at our wiki, alandarev ?
15:20:50  <planetmaker> for things like 'town growth challange' have a look at the available goal/ game scripts
15:20:59  <planetmaker> you configure that in the script settings
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16:20:02  <alandarev> planetmaker: I have issues :( openttd requires libicu38 as dependency, but I got libicu48 and obviously can not downgrade. what should I do?
16:20:26  <alandarev> (Debian)
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16:31:33  <planetmaker> alandarev, openttd builds fine for me with libicu48
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16:33:11  <planetmaker> if you talk about the pre-compiled openttd shipped with debian, that it doesn't it is linked against the wrong libicu, that's a debian bug
16:33:19  <alandarev> planetmaker: ah so you compile it? I try to install from downloaded .deb and also tried apt-get install
16:34:15  <planetmaker> you don't by chance have mixed main backports experimental packages?
16:35:03  <planetmaker> which debian do you talk of?
16:36:42  <planetmaker> right. I just used apt-get on wheezy. No issue there
16:37:33  <planetmaker> thus you got to be much more specific
16:37:58  <planetmaker> what did you try on which system with what things installed
16:38:14  <planetmaker> what did you see and what did you expect to see?
16:39:30  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I think alandarev installed some (old) version acquired from somewhere and assumed it should just work
16:41:36  <alandarev> planetmaker: I am running debian wheezy. i checked in apt-cache openttd version, it is 1.2.3  when I try to install: openttd : Depends: libicu38 (>= 3.8-5) but it is not installable
16:43:48  <Rubidium> wheezy doesn't have 1.2.3
16:45:40  <Rubidium> and if you try to install the lenny binary from OpenTTD's website, then you'll get that error
16:45:49  <alandarev> Rubidium: Whoa, that seems to be correct information. then 1.2.3 came from when I tried to dpkg -i  the debian package downloaded from openttd.org
16:46:01  <alandarev> and yes, I need 1.2.3, as my windows client is 1.2.3 :)
16:46:16  <Rubidium> use the one from debian unstable
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16:46:38  <alandarev> Rubidium: can I download a package from 'not my' repository?
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16:47:18  <Rubidium> hmm... even experimental (an old one to be precise)
16:47:37  <alandarev> ok, I will try to find the solution, thanks to givine me a direction.
16:47:55  <planetmaker> alandarev, or use the generic linux binary. They are statically linked
16:48:30  <alandarev> planetmaker: ehm, I don't have enough knowledge to understand what you meant :(
16:48:47  <Rubidium> alandarev: try  http://snapshot.debian.org/package/openttd/1.2.3-1/
16:50:33  <alandarev> okay thanks, Can't now but I will as soon as get some time.
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17:15:48  <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1071296#p1071296 <- awesome first post :)
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18:02:06  <andythenorth> herp
18:02:09  <andythenorth> derp
18:02:11  <andythenorth> bath time
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18:02:28  <andythenorth> has anyone translated FIRS yet?
18:02:44  <andythenorth> I have 32 compile errors I can't kill, all missing translations :(
18:03:01  <andythenorth> compile errors are Not Allowed :(
18:03:17  <Alberth> hi hi
18:03:24  <Alberth> remove the offending lines?
18:03:33  <andythenorth> or delete the translation?
18:03:56  <andythenorth> afaict, deleting the lines produces an error
18:04:05  <planetmaker> how that?
18:04:12  <andythenorth> missing string
18:04:14  <planetmaker> missing strings must not produce an error
18:04:18  * andythenorth checks
18:04:18  <Alberth> hi planetmaker
18:04:22  <planetmaker> hello :-)
18:04:47  <Alberth> at least not in the translation, as it should fall back to the english base language
18:05:51  <andythenorth> yup, missing lines don't show an error in stdout
18:05:54  <andythenorth> which is nice :)
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18:06:11  <andythenorth> biab
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18:27:24  <Wolf01> o/
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18:29:56  <Alberth> hi Wolf01
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18:45:31  <alandarev> can anyone find me openttd-data 1.2.3 package for debian?
18:45:40  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25124 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-03-26 18:45:28 UTC)
18:45:41  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:42  <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 16 changes by chenwt0315
18:45:43  <alandarev> can't find it at snapshot.debian.org
18:45:44  <DorpsGek> japanese - 13 changes by Aknuth
18:45:45  <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093
18:45:46  <DorpsGek> latvian - 4 changes by Parastais
18:45:47  <DorpsGek> welsh - 159 changes by kazzie
18:46:56  <alandarev> I think i found it
18:48:07  <alandarev> finally installed. damn it is way more harder than should be...
18:48:13  <alandarev> someone should push 1.2.3 to debian stable :(
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18:55:12  <Alberth> it's called 'stable' for a reason ;)
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19:14:51  <planetmaker> alandarev, usually it works decently to obtain the binary from our website for that version you use... http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable should have the one for your version, too. Unless it's wheezy it seems
19:20:03  <alandarev> planetmaker: I am not having 'monitor' on my server, how can I install add-ons and configure server without getting brain cancer?
19:22:07  <planetmaker> edit your config file to your needs. Or prepare the game locally and upload to server and start that ready-made map
19:22:16  <planetmaker> the latter arguably is a lot easier
19:22:34  <alandarev> planetmaker: and what about the add-ons?
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19:27:34  <Alberth> just copy them to the same location as your prepared setup
19:27:46  <planetmaker> what Alberth said :-)
19:27:56  <planetmaker> content can also be obtained via rcon from the server
19:28:22  <planetmaker> but must be done before you try load a map which needs it
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19:47:12  <andythenorth> so FIRS docs have two sections, one for players / translators, one as code reference
19:47:14  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/industries_code_reference.html
19:47:30  <andythenorth> what else should be in industry code reference?  I figure anyone who cares can read the source
19:48:33  <Alberth> why all the black exclamation marks?
19:49:56  <andythenorth> warnings that the cargos may be different in other economies
19:49:59  <andythenorth> doesn't work tbh
19:51:47  <andythenorth> hmm
19:51:54  <andythenorth> tempted to not render the cargo classes in the docs
19:52:03  <andythenorth> just to prove the point that nobody should rely on them
19:52:12  <andythenorth> or I could put a snarky message in the docs :P
19:52:39  <HellTiger> hm i have logic problem in my orders.  i have station 1, 2, 3, 4.  station1 load, unload at 3. station 4 load unload at 2.
19:53:00  <HellTiger> now the train dont skip he try to do things at his hold. but he could drive through
19:53:03  <HellTiger> but he holds.
19:53:24  <HellTiger> he should skip hold 2 until he was at 4
19:54:01  <planetmaker> use non-stop orders
19:54:07  <planetmaker> goto non-stop X
19:55:15  <HellTiger> HA! :D
19:55:16  <HellTiger> thx
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19:56:55  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/cargos_code_reference.html
19:57:05  <andythenorth> cargos ^ :P
19:58:26  <andythenorth> pub
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20:31:32  <Afdal> Hello, can someone tell me how to check pathfinding settings from the console in-game?
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20:32:45  <V453000> can you be more specific?
20:33:14  <Afdal> I suspect someone doesn't have their yapf two-way signal penalty set to 10000 or whatever and I want to check
20:33:33  <Afdal> red two-way reading end-of-line penalty I mean
20:33:50  <V453000> just type set -name-of-setting
20:34:10  <Afdal> Oh wait that's yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol isn't it?
20:34:14  <V453000> in this case I think it is yapf.rail.firstred_twoway_eol
20:34:16  <V453000> or something like that
20:34:25  <V453000> ah yes
20:34:39  <Afdal> Ah, yes, it's set to 0
20:34:41  <Afdal> thanks
20:34:50  <Afdal> Forgot about the "set" part
20:34:56  <V453000> you can find all settings in your config file, just ctrl+f them to know the exact name
20:35:03  <V453000> yw
20:35:07  <Afdal> Yeah but I can't check this from the cfg because it's
20:35:10  <Afdal> not my current setting
20:35:15  <Afdal> had to see from their own game
20:35:28  <V453000> well yes
20:35:39  <V453000> I know that
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20:35:50  <V453000> just giving advice when you need a different setting next time
20:36:03  <Afdal> Why would someone turn that off anyway?
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20:36:58  <V453000> it is 0 by default
20:37:45  <Afdal> Really?
20:37:55  <Afdal> I could have sworn I never had to mess with that
20:38:07  <V453000> not since forever, but now it is
20:38:15  <Afdal> Well gee, why is it off by default?
20:38:24  <Afdal> That's a pretty important setting for advanced networking
20:38:30  <V453000> I guess the 2way behaviour is too unexpected
20:38:35  <Afdal> I:}
20:38:41  <V453000> not that I like that it is off on default either
20:38:58  <V453000> but well
20:39:08  <V453000> all of our articles which require 2way eol to be on, have it mentioned
20:39:20  <V453000> and everywhere else it probably does more harm than good
20:39:25  <Afdal> You mean your openttdcoop stuff?
20:39:32  <V453000> of course
20:41:06  <Afdal> Well anyway, thanks
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20:41:16  <V453000> you are welcome
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21:11:07  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:11:50  <l0rdz3dd> Hi guys
21:18:19  <Alberth> hi
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21:49:23  <frosch123> night
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22:25:32  <alandarev> is there a mod for openttd where price of cargo is calculated based on nearest available resource spot rather than where my railway station is?
22:31:13  <andythenorth> no
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22:35:28  <alandarev> sad :( why nobody would make one? makes so much sense :)
22:40:05  <andythenorth> feel free :)
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22:40:40  <HellTiger> care free!!!
22:40:52  <andythenorth> links to repos are here http://www.openttd.org/en/development
22:42:03  <andythenorth> :o there is doxygen
22:42:12  <andythenorth> I never noticed that before :P
22:42:19  <alandarev> that sounds like an interesting idea
22:42:32  <alandarev> strangely nobody did it
22:43:49  <andythenorth> I would consider a multiplier on the cargo payment calculation
22:43:58  <andythenorth> for which distance to nearest source is a factor
22:44:09  <Zuu> andythenorth: Most methods in OpenTTD are fairly well documented with respect to doxygen comments.
22:44:10  <andythenorth> you'd need to exclude pax and mail, and other pax or mail-like cargos
22:44:31  <andythenorth> this would give you a spot price per-tile on the map
22:44:35  <andythenorth> rather than a global price
22:45:01  <andythenorth> I don't know how intensive calculating cargo payment is, you might need to consider caching and how to invalidate caches
22:45:16  <andythenorth> but as newgrf can run a custom payment calculation, it *might* be ok
22:45:33  <andythenorth> although 'what newgrf can do' is not always a good guide to performance afaict
22:45:49  <andythenorth> you also need some gui way to represent this
22:46:11  <andythenorth> railroad tycoon 3 had a heatmap overlay for the main map to show price per cargo
22:46:26  <alandarev> andythenorth: and I got 0 experience in any of those :( Would rather see someone pick the idea
22:46:33  <andythenorth> oh
22:46:44  <andythenorth> well in that case it can get in the queue of ponies
22:46:48  <andythenorth> but it's a long queue
22:46:55  <andythenorth> and there are very few developers ;)
22:47:03  <andythenorth> http://i-want-a-pony.com
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22:48:11  <alandarev> andythenorth: I don't mind learning and sounds like fun.. but just need to worry about my studies for next couple of months.. Mybe next time if nobody implements it before
22:48:34  <andythenorth> :)
22:48:46  <andythenorth> studies are important
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