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09:36:12 <GunChleoc> I have a new language for the main page 09:36:15 <GunChleoc> http://wiki.openttd.org/Pr%C3%AComh-Dhuilleag/Gd 09:53:09 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-43.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:57:55 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 09:58:11 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:19:29 *** SpComb^_ is now known as SpComb 10:19:39 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 10:48:16 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A40E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:23 <planetmaker> GunChleoc, http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Template:Other_languages&action=edit 10:49:52 <GunChleoc> Already done 10:50:32 <GunChleoc> I can add Gaelic anywhere except for the main page, because if the vandalism safeguard 10:50:48 <GunChleoc> *because of 10:52:09 <planetmaker> yeah. added 10:53:14 <GunChleoc> Thanks! :) 10:54:00 <planetmaker> you're welcome 11:24:01 *** GunChleoc_ [~gunchleoc@host-78-145-10-87.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:28 *** GunChleoc [~chatzilla@host-78-145-10-172.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:28 *** GunChleoc_ is now known as GunChleoc 11:30:53 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.39] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:32:53 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.39] has joined #openttd 11:37:09 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-35-177.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:37:42 * LordAro waves 11:52:28 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A40E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 12:05:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D63F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:08:45 *** GunChleoc [~gunchleoc@host-78-145-10-87.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 12:36:37 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:45:45 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 13:01:42 *** Pecio [~fgh@acds178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:26:30 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:12:42 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl6-253-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: On the rocks! ^^] 14:23:53 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl6-253-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:25:43 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:36:27 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:39:14 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:51:05 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 15:05:08 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:06:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-22-137.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 15:21:03 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:25 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:05 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 15:52:28 <alluke> the actual fuck 15:52:37 <alluke> one iore mine procudes 783 tons without cheat 15:53:05 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:54:16 <TinoDidriksen> Not so unusual. Seen several go over 1000. 15:58:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:34 <HellTiger> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aLRqrxM_460s.jpg 16:04:44 <planetmaker> alluke, you can raise that. to 256*8 or 256*9. Depending on month 16:07:38 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:55 <alluke> okay 16:19:12 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:43 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:27 <_aD> I've seen some with as much as 7 ore! 16:28:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18148.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:22 <Terkhen> hello 16:35:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:03 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:45:39 <_aD> Hi Terkhen 16:49:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:57:00 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:01:08 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:14:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdda5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:31 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:46:11 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25298 /trunk/src/lang (10 files) (2013-05-27 17:45:55 UTC) 17:46:12 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:13 <DorpsGek> dutch - 4 changes by habell 17:46:14 <DorpsGek> english_AU - 3 changes by mrtux 17:46:15 <DorpsGek> english_US - 4 changes by Rubidium 17:46:16 <DorpsGek> finnish - 4 changes by jpx_ 17:46:17 <DorpsGek> german - 3 changes by planetmaker 17:46:18 <DorpsGek> italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:46:19 <DorpsGek> polish - 4 changes by nouwak 17:46:20 <DorpsGek> russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:46:21 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 3 changes by GunChleoc 17:46:22 <DorpsGek> spanish - 4 changes by Terkhen 17:56:38 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:57:00 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:27 *** chester_ [~chester@128-72-74-248.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 18:29:23 *** samu [~oftc-webi@54.239.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 18:29:29 <samu> hi 18:29:46 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:30:40 <samu> i found an utility called process explorer and I'm exploring openttd.exe for fun 18:31:35 <samu> there is 9 threads open by openttd.exe as far as I can understand 18:36:48 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.142.39] has joined #openttd 18:41:35 * Zuu has sucessfully been able to return a harcoded value from ScriptObject::DoCommand in world gen by throwing the apporite thing. Now he only need to figure out how to get hold of the correct return value. 18:41:40 <samu> peak cpu usage 14.43% :o 18:42:51 <samu> hey Zuu, i was writing an excel table, you have many AIs 18:43:04 <Zuu> Indeed 18:43:18 <samu> clueless plus is main one 18:43:22 <samu> or paxlink 18:43:30 <Zuu> I'd say CluelessPlus 18:43:48 <samu> and tutorials 18:43:59 <samu> brb 18:44:27 <Zuu> PaxLink was once a possible AI to overtake CluelessPlus, but it became to complex so I decided to get back to Clueless and improve it. 18:45:17 <samu> CluelessPlus, IdleMore, PAXLink, StreetTraffic, TownCars, TutorialAI, TutorialShipAI 18:46:02 <samu> i saw PAXlink survive 100 years only once 18:46:07 <Zuu> and then add some libraries and GSes too. :-) 18:46:47 <Zuu> IIRC, my banas user account is #1 or #2 in total download count if you make a sum over all content that is associated with that account. 18:47:14 <samu> let me find cluelessplus statistics 18:47:55 <Zuu> Thought, I have taken over ownership of some of the original AI libraries such that the pathfinders due to fixing a small bug while others have made the main work there. 18:48:12 <samu> out of 10 games 18:48:47 <samu> 0 errors, 9 alive, 1 negative profit 18:49:20 <Zuu> Assuming there was a though competition, that sounds good. 18:49:37 <samu> info i got here 18:49:38 <samu> +/- CluelessPlus (v34): bankrupt, road vehicles, aircraft 18:49:53 <samu> so it bankrupted at some time then restarted and was fine 18:50:08 <Zuu> I have not really been able to fully stabilize it after adding aircraft to it. In non-air mode it is better to not get into bad economic situations. 18:50:10 <samu> positive income on the second try most likely 18:50:24 <samu> tileset was toy land 18:50:48 <samu> Default game settings 1.3.0, AI profile Medium, Speed Fast + Default AI settings + 512x512 Toy-Land Original, Terrain Flat, Sea Low, Rivers Few, Seed 1111111111 18:51:37 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:52:01 <Alberth> moin 18:52:04 <samu> oi 18:52:53 <samu> it's good at repairing routes 18:52:53 <Zuu> samu: Thanks. If you have any report that you expect me to have a look at, its best placed in the forum as it could take some months until I get around to have a look on it unless it is urgent. 18:53:16 <samu> terron is good at destroying routes on the other hand 18:53:33 <samu> or is it dictator? 18:53:40 <samu> one of these ruins its own routes 18:53:52 <Zuu> ok 18:54:54 <Zuu> CluelessPlus has a specialized pathfinder class (which is actually part of SuperLib and available to anyone) that runs over existing roads to detect broken connections. It runs more frequent on lines that make a loss. 18:55:28 <Zuu> It also has code that trigger on road vehicle crashes and tries to replace rail crossings with a bridge. 18:55:44 <samu> oh i haven't noticed that one 18:56:24 <samu> i have noticed missing bridges from either terron or dictator 18:56:31 <samu> it is a bridge over river 18:56:40 <samu> should be* 18:56:46 <samu> but it's missing 18:57:43 <samu> some other AI also tries to use rivers as a path for ships 18:58:05 <samu> or lakes connected to rivers 18:58:25 <Zuu> wmDot? 18:58:40 <samu> hmm nah, that one errors too often 18:58:53 <samu> it was one of the others who use ships 18:58:58 <Zuu> NoCab? 18:59:20 <samu> don't remember, I have to try again 18:59:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:59:59 <samu> NoCAB, when it finds some ships lost 19:00:14 <samu> it builds more routes 19:00:25 <samu> more of the same 19:00:41 <samu> erm,, how to explain hmm 19:00:51 <samu> it starts off with a route 19:01:06 <samu> suddenly that route gets broke with lost ships 19:01:20 <samu> it either adds more ships to that route, or builds more of the same route 19:01:45 <samu> so, it's quite easy to find 100+ lost ships for NoCAB 19:03:18 <samu> Otvi is only successful with passenger ships 19:03:58 <samu> the other cargo ships have always a dock that doesn't get the cargo, out of range 19:04:15 <samu> not withing range to get the cargo 19:04:24 <samu> within* 19:04:50 <samu> I think it could have been Trans 19:05:18 <samu> brb, let me set up a game with Trans 19:14:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:46 <samu> it was one of those rare errors 19:25:02 <samu> don't think i can make it happen anytime soon 19:25:36 <samu> it was using a dock on a coast towards a lake 19:25:54 <samu> that lake was connected to a river 19:26:19 <samu> dowwards to the water 19:26:43 <samu> to the ocean 19:26:50 <V453000> try having thousands of trains 19:26:54 <V453000> cpu usage easily 100% of one core 19:27:28 <V453000> e.g. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/Don%27t%20Try%20This%20At%20Home%2C%202599-04-21.sav 19:27:32 <samu> and I could tell it was going to be passengers ship 19:27:39 <samu> but it errored out before that 19:27:49 <samu> so, a ship AI that does passengers 19:30:09 <samu> savegame is made with newer version :( 19:34:51 <V453000> try nightly 19:35:01 <samu> there is a problem with Trans and ships anyway 19:35:22 <samu> but I can't make it do what I described 19:35:56 <samu> Trans (v100307) 19:36:02 <samu> - waterconnector.nut error: the index 'AllowTryStation' does not exist 19:37:17 <samu> what does it mean? 19:38:54 <samu> ah no, i'm not trying nightly, sorry 19:41:30 <V453000> :D 19:41:38 <samu> what is an index? 19:41:55 <glx> index is the general name for functions, variables, ... 19:42:11 <Alberth> usually a number pointing to an entry in some sequence 19:42:16 <glx> squirrel stuff 19:46:04 <samu> :( 19:46:30 <samu> can't decipher 19:47:28 <samu> [Water Connector] Destination not found 19:48:03 <samu> [water Connector] Selected source: Morlaix 19:48:49 <samu> [Morlaix] have 10000 [true] -> Good Job ^_^ 19:49:26 <samu> [Morlaix] 0 station tiles found 19:49:44 <samu> [Morlaix] Allowed to try to build station 19:49:53 <samu> and error 19:51:06 <Alberth> it just reports that it cannot find the thing with that name 19:51:24 <Alberth> what's there to decipher? 19:51:41 <samu> what it was doing 19:51:47 <samu> building a dock? 19:52:00 <samu> there is no dock at Morlaix town 19:52:33 <Alberth> AllowTryStation <-- it was looking a thing with that name :p 19:52:50 <samu> oh :( 19:52:54 <Alberth> judging by the name, it didn't reach the point of having built anything 19:54:14 <samu> Trans isn't even on Morlaix local authority details 19:55:12 <Alberth> you probably need to build a station first :p 19:59:27 <samu> lol, it refits passengers ships to passengers and says good job 19:59:32 <samu> oh well :) 20:02:56 <Alberth> it's a happy bot :) 20:05:15 <samu> :p there are other messages Allowed to try to build station before 20:05:21 <samu> and it didn't error 20:06:36 <Alberth> it can be something as simple as a typo in the name, or a wrong case of one letter or so 20:14:24 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 20:17:40 <samu> I have another question - What is a Page Fault? There's 464.599 and always increasing page faults 20:18:02 <TinoDidriksen> It's a cache miss. 20:18:04 <samu> page fault delta 49-90 20:18:11 <samu> always changing 20:18:18 <TinoDidriksen> Nothing to care about. 20:18:34 <samu> oki 20:19:55 <samu> Private Bytes - System Commin 170.2 MB 20:19:58 <samu> Commit 20:22:21 <samu> threads, count: 9 20:22:27 <samu> do you know what these threads do? 20:23:01 <samu> Stack / Module ? 20:26:35 <samu> openttd.exe+0x32464, openttd.exe+0x324654, wdmaud.drv!widMessage+0x4940, openttd.exe+0x227518, openttd.exe+0x227094, ntdll.dll!RtlValidateHeap+0x170, WINMM.dll+0x1010, ntdll.dll!TplsTimerSet+0x7c0+MMDevAPI.DLL|Ordinal5+0x1274 20:27:24 <samu> oops, that's a comma there 20:27:43 <samu> openttd.exe+0x32464, openttd.exe+0x324654, wdmaud.drv!widMessage+0x4940, openttd.exe+0x227518, openttd.exe+0x227094, ntdll.dll!RtlValidateHeap+0x170, WINMM.dll+0x1010, ntdll.dll!TplsTimerSet+0x7c0, MMDevAPI.DLL!Ordinal5+0x1274 20:28:57 <Zuu> samu: the english wording of page fault is farily harmless. The swedish translation is easy to mistake for a hardware error if you do not know what it is. :-) 20:29:14 <samu> wish i could copy paste 20:30:04 <samu> those are memory addresses? 20:30:42 <samu> i have another program with a lot of page faults 20:30:57 <samu> so it's always normal? 20:31:04 <TinoDidriksen> Yes 20:31:13 <Alberth> they are offsets in program data 20:31:30 <TinoDidriksen> A page fault is simply a cache miss when accessing memory that's been swapped out. 20:31:53 <glx> samu: main thread and stuff created by windows like midi, sound, ... 20:32:32 <Supercheese> Aww, I thought a page fault was talking about book tectonics ;) 20:32:39 <samu> oh, the midi one insterests me 20:32:54 <samu> must find the thing who blocks sound to the whole system 20:33:19 <Alberth> Supercheese: these are electronic pages :) 20:33:37 <Supercheese> Alberth: iTectonics, then? :P 20:34:03 <Alberth> apple would claim it's theirs probably 20:34:56 *** samu [~oftc-webi@54.239.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:35:10 <Rubidium> ^ page fault? ;) 20:35:40 <frosch123> :) 20:36:06 *** samu [~oftc-webi@54.239.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 20:36:19 <samu> bah, sorry I closed ie by mistake 20:36:54 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:14 <Zuu> samu: Your quit message did fit very well the discussion. 20:38:38 <samu> what was my quit message? 20:38:42 <Zuu> * samu has quit (Quit: Page closed) 20:38:45 <samu> I can't see 20:38:46 <samu> ah 20:38:51 <samu> lol 20:45:45 <samu> wow 20:46:03 <samu> this .png image 20:46:17 <samu> is using 2.904.264 K memory 20:48:25 <samu> svchost.exe > dllhost.exe > something windows photo viewer.exe 20:48:37 <samu> is it normal? 20:50:07 <Zuu> 3000 MB or 3000 Mb? 20:50:16 <Zuu> Both is quite a lot 20:50:27 <FLHerne> How many pixels? 20:50:39 <samu> it is under the column Working Set 20:50:52 <Zuu> But yes, loading eg. a giant screenshot from OpenTTD can use a lot of memory. :-) 20:52:18 <samu> 32641x16471 20:52:38 <samu> 41.1 MB file 20:52:57 <frosch123> 2 GB uncompressed 20:52:57 <Alberth> @calc 32641 * 16471 20:52:57 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 537629911 20:53:18 <samu> what? 20:53:36 <frosch123> can you digital camera handle 500 megapixels? 20:53:53 <samu> it's a screenshot from openttd 20:53:54 <Alberth> 537,000,000 pixels x 4 bytes RGB = 2GB 20:54:37 <samu> closed image viewer, it freed up 2.8 GB ram 20:54:40 <samu> lol 20:55:06 <samu> your png files are a trap 20:55:22 <Alberth> it's called giant for a reason :p 20:55:27 <glx> same happens with jpeg 20:55:35 <frosch123> it's an educational trap 20:55:48 <glx> most tools work on uncompressed data 20:56:52 <samu> :) 20:56:55 <samu> jpg 20:56:55 <Terkhen> good night 20:57:04 <Alberth> good night Terkhen 20:57:52 <samu> i dont have many jpgs around 21:01:39 <samu> largest working set now is THXAudio.exe 21:02:05 <samu> 82.248K 21:02:11 <samu> then explorer.exe 21:02:26 <samu> 80.136K 21:02:29 <Alberth> the point of having memory is to use it :) 21:03:00 <samu> openttd.exe is further down the list with 50.332K 21:03:23 <samu> yeah 21:03:58 <samu> I wanted more than 8 GB RAM 21:04:16 <samu> wanted 32 GB or so, to create a RAMDrive 21:04:26 <samu> a big one 21:04:33 *** _aD [quadra@0001362b.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:48 <samu> and would install something big on it 21:06:59 <samu> Need for Speed World 21:09:33 <samu> 20.925 ficheiros, 257 pastas 21:09:52 <samu> 20.925 files, 257 folders for Need for Speed World 21:10:19 <samu> too many small files 21:12:40 <Alberth> using it as disk cache is much more useful imho 21:13:58 <juzza1> waiting for the stuff to fill in after a reboot might get a little annoying 21:14:46 <Alberth> and you don't need to copy data onto the RAM disk first :p 21:14:58 <samu> yes, i agree, tested a 4 GB RAMDrive, took 1 more minute to boot and 1 more to shutdown 21:15:17 <samu> sometimes it was annoying 21:16:11 <samu> then some of the patches for the game said insufficient space... .( 21:16:19 <samu> gave up on ramdrive 21:17:12 <samu> tried to look about super fetch 21:17:17 <samu> couldn't find anything 21:17:28 <samu> all I find is it's automated 21:20:26 <Zuu> Now with SSDss, I don't wory about disk speed. 21:20:30 <Zuu> SSDs* 21:21:20 <samu> $$Ds* 21:21:45 <Alberth> just never shutdown :p 21:23:15 <samu> I've been more interested in ssds before 21:24:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:29 <samu> nowadays I rather find it's worth waiting for better prices 21:24:56 <samu> they're always getting way cheaper than last year 21:25:10 <samu> so, I wait until it's no longer the case 21:25:32 <Alberth> they'll continue to decline :p 21:25:34 <samu> it's too tempting to buy one 21:25:59 <samu> only to find out they were overly expensive next year 21:26:15 <samu> :( still waiting 21:29:43 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:32:01 <samu> my 3-way dilema 21:32:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18148.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:48 <samu> more ram vs. 2nd hdd vs. ssd 21:32:57 <samu> decided to wait 21:34:21 <juzza1> 4th option: do nothing and save money 21:34:43 <samu> yes, depends 21:35:05 <samu> I need "something" 21:35:12 <samu> most likely a 2nd drive 21:35:47 <samu> the anti-virus is great at slowing my comp to a crawl 21:36:34 <samu> but not really urgent 21:38:47 <samu> wanted to do video recording 21:38:58 <samu> but meh... 21:39:12 <glx> don't use norton 21:39:14 <samu> can't do everything at the same time 21:39:44 <samu> ah, I use mse 21:42:12 <samu> mse is light, discrete, but what I find is... it's light, until it finds zip files or iso images 21:42:16 <FLHerne> samu: With the amount of tweaking you seem to do, why haven't you switched to Linux yet? :P 21:43:18 <samu> linux eh... I have bad experiences with it 21:43:23 <samu> well, with ubuntu 21:43:40 <samu> it boots on live cd, but once installed it doesn't boot 21:44:02 <NGC3982> Where does it not boot (yes, that is a serious question)? 21:44:18 <NGC3982> I had a fair amount of poop with GRUB while exploring Linux for the first times. 21:44:27 <samu> it was some years ago, it was stuck on 'starting ubuntu" 21:44:35 <NGC3982> Oh. 21:44:39 <samu> with a orange bar going one way to another 21:44:39 <NGC3982> Well, never mind me then. 21:44:42 <NGC3982> :-) 21:46:03 <samu> tried red hat way before 21:46:17 <samu> i just sucked at it 21:46:42 <samu> didn't even know how to get to a floppy disk 21:47:32 <NGC3982> I can relate. 21:58:17 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 21:59:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25299 /trunk/src (goal_base.h script/api/game_changelog.hpp) (2013-05-27 21:59:11 UTC) 21:59:18 <DorpsGek> -Feature: Allow more concurrent goals in a game 22:03:14 <samu> how do i brute force a farm to increase production? 22:03:44 <samu> it produces 189 grain a month, but only 12 livestock a month, how do I balance it? 22:04:41 <samu> needs more livestock 22:06:32 <NGC3982> Since the base value is lower for livestock than grain, you will have to balance cargo handling to increase livestock before grain. 22:06:56 <NGC3982> You should have as few goods waiting as possible, and leave lesser gaps between pickups. 22:07:16 <V453000> not like you need to balance it at all 22:07:25 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 22:08:27 <frosch123> night 22:08:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdda5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:41 <samu> could smart advertising campaign affect production per month? 22:08:47 <samu> smart... oops, small 22:08:58 <Zuu> Get a statue if you don't have one yet 22:09:04 <samu> it's a farm close to a town 22:09:06 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-10-158.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:09:18 <Zuu> Get a statue in that town. 22:09:28 <Zuu> That boosts your station rating by 10% permanently. 22:09:29 <samu> I have a statue yes 22:10:33 <Supercheese> You could just use the cheat menu, adjust production :P 22:10:48 <samu> if I keep buying these advertising campaigns, will it speed up? 22:10:58 <samu> i can't cheat on multiplayer 22:11:08 <Supercheese> Ah, alas 22:11:14 <NGC3982> samu: A server? 22:11:23 <samu> yes 22:11:38 <NGC3982> What server? 22:11:41 <NGC3982> Ill gladly join. 22:11:56 <samu> ah no, i dont want to cheat 22:12:14 <NGC3982> Me neither. I just want to join you. :> 22:12:23 <samu> it's some btpro 22:12:32 <samu> the 140 year btpro 22:12:54 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:14:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D63F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:54 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:20:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:30 <samu> 30 22:24:09 <samu> 24 22:24:33 <samu> it's not like I think 22:32:18 <samu> hmm, noob question 22:32:34 <samu> scrolling with max zoom out 22:32:40 <samu> is single-threaded? 22:34:08 <samu> well 4200 MHz, 12% CPU 22:34:13 <samu> it is :9 22:34:45 <samu> it's the typical behaviour for this cpu for single-thread applications 22:37:51 *** chester_ [~chester@128-72-74-248.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:41 *** Biolunar__ [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e9b6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:41:22 <V453000> almost everything is single threaded 22:41:31 <V453000> regarding openttd 22:42:33 <samu> another question, the land generator is single, or multi? 22:43:01 <samu> bah why do I ask, I can test it 22:44:51 <samu> 4200 MHz, 13% CPU :o 22:44:56 <samu> poor AMD is poor 22:46:21 <samu> the typical 100% cpu use is 3300/3600 MHz 22:47:21 <Zuu> samu: we can add threads that do useless stuff and put more load on your cpu, but that does't do any help :-p 22:48:03 <planetmaker> that's the multiplayer capability: you can start as many clients as you have cores (or maybe one less) 22:48:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5EB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:48:11 <V453000> XD 22:48:37 <samu> gonna try 22:48:54 <samu> land generating 2048x2048 x8 22:50:12 <Zuu> Starting a game with 64000 goals created in the world gen takes some time. :-) 22:50:42 <Zuu> Thaksfully much faster than if they would have been created after world gen. :-) 22:51:50 <samu> woah 3600/3900 22:51:54 <samu> some gaps 22:53:31 <samu> HWiNFO can't breath 22:53:40 <samu> with all OpenTTDs generatin 22:53:53 <samu> but it's 3600 at least 22:53:59 <samu> and 100% cpu 22:54:02 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:54:05 * Zuu gives samu a book about C++ to do something more creative with his time than watching his CPU 22:54:13 <samu> :( 22:54:55 <V453000> :D 22:56:22 <Zuu> Don't be sad. Programming is both fun and useful. 22:58:05 <Zuu> Having a good CPU is something you will have use for when compiling programs. :-) 22:59:39 <V453000> I already learned never to compile NUTS on my notebook ever again 22:59:44 <V453000> not a short process 23:00:21 <glx> compiling on a raspberry pi is not a good idea either 23:04:50 <samu> can AIs think with multiple threads? 23:06:18 <Zuu> no 23:19:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:50 <samu> http://www.vistax64.com/vista-general/268370-windows-audio-device-graph-isolation-dies-when-running-windows-media-player-no-audio-until-reboot.html 23:21:58 <samu> "good" 23:22:45 <samu> what plays midi for openttd? 23:24:04 <samu> it's windows media player? 23:24:10 <samu> or something windows picks up? 23:27:43 <samu> brb 23:28:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:34:11 <samu> help, I'm almost there 23:34:35 <samu> there's 3 more thread counts when playing a midi 23:35:24 *** ImNotTouchingIt [~Mark36@203-113-214-3-static.TCS.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:36:09 <V453000> :) 23:36:17 <glx> your problems happens with both win32 and dmusic ? 23:36:17 <ImNotTouchingIt> I was just wondering. I work in a School and as a Business Management Excercise for the students I suggested to the teacher that we have a OpenTTD competition where the students could try and make as much money as possible (or not) building up a company. 23:36:30 <ImNotTouchingIt> I was wondering how you would go about setting up a server for such things. 23:37:08 <ImNotTouchingIt> I mean I have a physical server I can use but as for the OpenTTD Server Software I don't know much about that. 23:38:40 <samu> i stopped playing midi, count down to 10 23:38:54 <samu> shouldn't it go to thread count 9? 23:40:25 <samu> this one remained: WINMM.dll!timeEndPeriod+0xe8 23:40:33 <samu> no idea if it's normal 23:41:10 <glx> that's windows doing its magic 23:42:00 <samu> bad magic? 23:42:12 <samu> i don't know, there were 9 23:42:21 <samu> started playing a midi, went up to 12 23:42:27 <samu> stopped playing midi, down to 10 23:42:45 <glx> openttd didn't start these threads 23:42:51 <glx> it's all done by windows 23:43:41 <samu> and the others are named... 23:44:28 <samu> WINMM.dll!mmTaskCreate+0x114 23:45:06 <samu> msvcrt.dll!ftime64_s+0x180 - this one is using 0.05% cpu 23:49:25 <glx> openttd has 4 threads on its own: main thread, sound thread,midi thread and paint window thread 23:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ImNotTouchingIt: you can start a server through the multiplayer GUI. if it's on a LAN, you probably don't have to do anything special, if it should be routed through the internet, you need to open the ports in the firewall/router 23:49:37 <glx> all others are created by windows 23:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ImNotTouchingIt: or you can start a "dedicated" server with running "openttd -D" (must be a capital "D", not a "d", then you have only a console, no GUI 23:51:36 *** samu [~oftc-webi@54.239.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:51:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ImNotTouchingIt: and then it gets really complicated if you want to run more than one server :p 23:52:06 *** samu [~oftc-webi@54.239.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 23:52:10 <samu> ops 23:54:41 <samu> stacks 23:55:06 <samu> sometimes i wish I could understand all this 23:55:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:22 <samu> ntoskrnl.exe!KeWaitForMultipleObjects+0xc0a 23:55:27 <samu> ntoskrnl.exe!KeWaitForMultipleObjects+0xc0a 23:55:42 <samu> ntoskrnl.exe!KeAcquireSpinLockAtDpcLevel+0x732 23:55:58 <samu> ntoskrnl.exe!KeDelayExecutionThread+0x186 23:56:27 <samu> ntoskrnl.exe!NtWaitForSingleObject+0x16e 23:56:42 <samu> ntoskrnl.exe!KeSynchronizeExecution+0x3a23 23:56:43 <glx> windows stuff 23:57:03 <glx> in the kernel 23:57:06 <samu> these are a list of stacks 23:57:12 <samu> last one is 23:57:16 <V453000> fuck linux 23:57:20 <samu> openttd.exe+0x1386b4 23:57:29 <samu> ah english :( 23:59:07 <samu> this one is 14 stacks in a list 23:59:34 <samu> that other is 9, and the other is 11