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01:08:06  <BookaT> is the reddit openttd server active alot?
01:13:08  <Mazur> Not one of ours, so I do not know,
01:14:02  <Eddi|zuHause> can't expect a lot at 3AM
01:14:16  <BookaT> I'm US
01:14:34  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but most of the OpenTTD community is european
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01:15:35  <BookaT> I'm just looking for a decent group to get something started, my old group are actually flight simmers and its tough to get them going
01:17:09  <Mazur> You can join our stabl server, some more Merkins and nightowls there, usually.
01:17:59  <Mazur> stable.openttdcoop.org:3999
01:19:19  <Mazur> Mon lit.
01:19:30  <Mazur> JÂŽy vais.
01:19:32  <BookaT> let me go check that out
01:19:35  <BookaT> French?
01:19:38  <Mazur> Non.
01:19:54  <Mazur> Hollandais.
01:20:10  <Mazur> :-D
01:21:15  <Mazur> I speak a bit outside my own private little world.
01:21:43  <BookaT> man, this game is already at maglev
01:21:48  <BookaT> I don't stand a chance
01:21:48  <Mazur> Just one or two words, as you can see.
01:22:38  <Mazur> ThereÂŽll be a new game every few days.
01:23:09  <Mazur> As soon as map gets filled.
01:23:21  <BookaT> This map is a ton of water, and mostly already used up
01:23:54  <Mazur> Check the rules, too.
01:24:12  <BookaT> I'm not a dick player
01:24:37  <BookaT> but I do know some people don't like you pulling up into a station and fucking distro chains
01:24:40  <Mazur> Not assuming anyhing.
01:25:35  <Mazur> Anyhow, Iáž¿ off to play with the pixies.
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06:00:24  <andythenorth> o/
06:02:05  <planetmaker> good morning
06:03:34  <andythenorth> FIRS now uses nearly all the available industry IDs :)
06:03:47  <andythenorth> 62 used, 2 free
06:07:48  <scshunt> Oo
06:10:35  <planetmaker> I'm not surprised andythenorth :-)
06:10:40  <planetmaker> nor actually concerned
06:11:22  <andythenorth> I can reuse IDs between different economies :P
06:11:31  <andythenorth> trivial solution, bit non-elegant
06:12:15  <andythenorth> I should just auto-generate IDs in each economy :P
06:12:23  <andythenorth> but that wouldn't be reliable acrosss savegames
06:13:34  <planetmaker> andythenorth, it would not be bad for release versions to simply kick savegame compatibility into the trash bin
06:13:44  <planetmaker> just make the min_compatible_version reflect that
06:13:47  <andythenorth> true
06:15:45  <planetmaker> only problem really would arise for you when testing
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06:48:58  <andythenorth> hmm
06:49:09  <andythenorth> the message "Cannot be funded on snow" is a bit stupid in Tropic
06:52:23  <planetmaker> quite :-)
06:52:31  <planetmaker> means desert likely
06:52:41  <planetmaker> thus simply use "snow or desert"
06:52:53  <planetmaker> or... "Can only be funded on grass"
07:03:42  <andythenorth> nah
07:03:45  <andythenorth> well maybe
07:03:57  <andythenorth> the checks are explicit to snow and desert individually
07:04:23  <andythenorth> could solve it, but never noticed it before
07:05:40  <andythenorth> amusing
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07:11:24  <planetmaker> desert == snow. Except for climate, andythenorth
07:11:38  <andythenorth> not the way we coded the checks though
07:11:38  <planetmaker> if you check for tiletype, they're identical
07:11:49  <planetmaker> that might be, we might consider climate
07:11:53  <planetmaker> dunno anymore :-)
07:12:09  <andythenorth> we check snowline height ;)
07:12:18  <andythenorth> probably for some good reason we've forgotten
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07:13:30  <andythenorth> biab toddler tantrum
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07:17:37  <Alberth> moin
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07:24:36  <Rubidium> moin
07:29:43  <planetmaker> moin Rubidium
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07:55:02  <Terkhen> good morning
07:58:00  <Alberth> moin Terkhen
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08:58:31  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25507 trunk/src/table/settings.ini (2013-06-29 08:58:25 UTC)
08:58:32  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: double definition
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09:14:35  <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/3NAxhIO.jpg
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09:47:26  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25508 /trunk/src (9 files in 4 dirs) (2013-06-29 09:47:18 UTC)
09:47:27  <DorpsGek> -Change: split unit localisation choice into a choice per type of unit, and move it to the advanced settings
09:47:28  <DorpsGek> -Feature [FS#5482]: have tractive effort in imperial (lbf) and metric (kgf) units
09:47:29  <DorpsGek> -Feature: have weights and volumes in imperial units (short tons, gallons)
09:50:38  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25509 /trunk/src/lang (58 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 09:50:32 UTC)
09:50:39  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: remove old strings
09:51:09  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25510 trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp (2013-06-29 09:51:03 UTC)
09:51:10  <DorpsGek> -Fix: forgot to update some documentation
09:53:07  <Rubidium> translators: new strings! ;)
10:02:08  <planetmaker> uh... metic horse powers?
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10:03:28  <planetmaker> hm, obviously
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10:43:52  <NGC3982> "Metic"? :)
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10:53:23  <Chrill> recommendations for a decent early 1800s-1850s train set? :)
10:53:48  <planetmaker> none
10:54:21  <Chrill> ah, well then
10:54:24  <Xaroth|Work> horse and carriage
10:54:42  <planetmaker> might be lucky with one of Pikka's. Maybe 2ccTS has some... maybe not
10:54:56  <Chrill> well I've used NARS in the past
10:54:58  <Chrill> which is quite ok
10:55:03  <Chrill> but I wanna try my hands at something new :)
10:55:23  <planetmaker> play 1950+ but with NUTS
10:56:11  <planetmaker> that's the biggest innovation in vehicle sets for years
10:57:08  <Alberth> nuts starts earlier
10:57:56  <Alberth> I start at 1935 with nuts
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10:58:20  * Alberth feels unequalized now
10:58:21  <planetmaker> you're right. Thanks: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3593/EngineTable.png
10:59:16  <Alberth> :o I can start at 1920 even :)   thanks for finding that page
10:59:30  <planetmaker> that grf has a wiki :-)
10:59:38  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki
11:00:56  <planetmaker> the wiki seems a bit outdated wrt latest releases though
11:01:02  <planetmaker> no wetrail yet
11:01:10  <Alberth> the page looks familiar, so I probably read it and then forgot all about it :)
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11:47:29  <Mazur> And he is back, with a new keyboard and a new mouse, as well.
11:52:24  <frosch123> what? i can imagine the keyboard... but i doubt the terminator has a mouse interface
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12:03:50  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25511 trunk/src/fontcache.cpp (2013-06-29 12:03:44 UTC)
12:03:51  <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: add the same printable key assert to the sprite font cache as the freetype font cache
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12:07:46  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25512 trunk/src/highscore.h (2013-06-29 12:07:40 UTC)
12:07:47  <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: the high score company name could not have enough space to have both the company and president name
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12:10:00  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25513 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 12:09:55 UTC)
12:10:01  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5623]: the high score's company/president name was stored with encoded string codes, causing it to cause trouble when the encoding of the string codes changes. Furthermore, check the incoming dangerous content better
12:11:44  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25514 /trunk/src/lang (61 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 12:11:38 UTC)
12:11:45  <DorpsGek> -Update: other translations
12:20:28  <Mazur> frosch123, I was talking in the third person personal.
12:20:41  <Mazur> Like Ceasar.
12:41:49  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25515 trunk/src/company_gui.cpp (2013-06-29 12:41:43 UTC)
12:41:50  <DorpsGek> -Feature [FS#5595]: right align the infrastructure statistics
12:49:42  <Mazur> Oh, almost forgot "Four de Trance"!
13:02:28  <Alberth> it's not finished yet :)
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13:11:59  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25516 trunk/src/company_gui.cpp (2013-06-29 13:11:52 UTC)
13:12:00  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: reduce code duplication in infrastructure statistics window
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13:15:31  <andythenorth> I can't write code on this silly ipad :p
13:16:06  <planetmaker> take a permanent marker, remove the cap and write "code" straight over it ;-)
13:16:10  <planetmaker> I'm sure it'll work
13:17:02  <planetmaker> (then use a cheap vodka to remove it again :-P )
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13:19:24  <andythenorth> Considering using ssh to the mac :p
13:19:26  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25517 /trunk/src (company_gui.cpp lang/english.txt) (2013-06-29 13:19:19 UTC)
13:19:27  <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish (r25515) / Feature-ish [FS#5623]: properly align the statistics as well when the infra sharing is turned on
13:20:46  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25518 /trunk/src/lang (53 files in 2 dirs) (2013-06-29 13:20:40 UTC)
13:20:47  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: remove old string
13:23:25  <Sacro> infra sharing?
13:23:30  <Sacro> IN TRUNK?
13:24:44  <Rubidium> yeah... :(
13:24:49  * Rubidium must go back to bed...
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13:33:45  <spongie> Hiya. I'm looking to change the time for a train to stay for n days at a station, but the change time popup never gets focus even though it is shown. Clicking the change time window does not give it focus, typing on the keyboard still acts as if the change time window wasnt there. How do I enter a new value to change the time for the timetable?
13:34:31  <spongie> ok, so if I mouseclick I can enter a number using the mouse, but the keyboard is never focus for the input window.
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13:37:14  <frosch123> does it display a cursor in the editbox?
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13:40:30  <spongie> yep
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13:41:20  <Rubidium> do you use the numbers above the characters on the keyboard, or those on the numeric part of the keyboard?
13:41:22  <frosch123> then the editbox as focus and ottd just does not catch the keypress
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13:41:45  <frosch123> iirc it was broken for sdl in fullscreen somewhat recently
13:41:53  <Rubidium> if it's the latter, is numlock in the right state?
13:42:38  <spongie> Rubidium: using the normal number keys
13:42:43  <Rubidium> frosch123: you remember correctly, based on the logs
13:42:54  <spongie> frosch123: its only in fullscreen yes
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13:43:29  <spongie> well, then it's a known bug, just wanted to make sure i hadnt missed any new input feature
13:44:26  <spongie> thanks for the confirmation that im not too stupid to use the input dialog :)
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13:47:00  <Zuu> Hmm.. I got several GS bugs waiting for me :-)
13:47:18  <frosch123> someone used it apparently :)
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13:56:51  <Zuu> yep :-)
13:57:11  <Zuu> I should be happy about every bug I guess :-)
13:57:45  <planetmaker> I mean... the story book really is an excellent feature. It kinda opens the door for real scenarios. Time- and situation-dependent ones
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14:08:04  <Zuu> It is useful, yet it doesn't really add anything new as you colud do that before as well using the query windows - just that you had to live with centered text.
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14:09:18  <Zuu> Hmm, compiling on VS2008 with OpenTTD useful 5.1 gives 238 warnings due to missing vc100pdb for ICU
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14:13:55  <TinoDidriksen> So don't use 2008?
14:14:08  <Zuu> It doesn't give any errors though
14:14:31  <Zuu> 2008 still use the old and easy way to configure include paths :-)
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14:16:31  <Zuu> If GSs could ask questions or have settings with free text entry answers, then it would possible to create a GS that allows non-programmers to in-game enter texts that the GS should display to players.
14:17:03  <Zuu> Right now someone who want to make a scenario like that need to understand how to make their own GS and how to upload via musa.
14:20:06  <frosch123> Zuu: isn't that what 5.1 fixes compared to 5.0 ?
14:20:07  <Zuu> Perhaps it would be easiest to allow translations if such text entries were part of the GS config and not a dynamic question that the GS asks itself.
14:20:42  <Zuu> frosch123: I don't know. I just got 5.1 (previously had v4 I think)
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14:24:12  <frosch123> Zuu: the farm had those warnings yesterday as well, but they vanished around 23:03
14:24:35  <Zuu> ok, maybe they are temporary
14:24:41  <frosch123> ok, 5.1 is from 19:30, so i guess you need 5.2 :p
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14:39:53  <frosch123> hmm, that failed. let's qpop and go for plan b :)
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14:54:13  <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25519 trunk/src/script/api/script_story_page.cpp (2013-06-29 14:54:07 UTC)
14:54:14  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5614] (r25342): Select page to update by its id and not the page id
14:55:38  <planetmaker> nice... some people do read FAQ: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=66870
14:55:44  <planetmaker> or rather known-bugs.txt
14:59:18  <Alberth> :)
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15:38:00  <alluke> someone knows how to take screenshots
15:38:51  <Alberth> yes
15:40:33  <Rubidium> it's the only reliable way
15:44:30  * Alberth uses ksnapshot
15:45:04  <Rubidium> ever tried making a screenshot of a bios with that?
15:45:07  <planetmaker> in OpenTTD I'd always recommend to use the in-built one
15:45:46  <Alberth> openttd also has some keys to make several different screenshots, but I don't know which keys, the wiki does know, I think
15:45:48  <planetmaker> but openttd has no bios :-(
15:46:31  <frosch123> Rubidium: works fine when running ksnapshot on the host os
15:46:50  <Rubidium> also, this colour issue doesn't show up in screenshots made in openttd. Anyhow, the reliable way did speak in the more general sense of making a snapshot of what's on the screen of a computer
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15:47:28  <Alberth> o/ Wolf01
15:47:54  <Wolf01> o/
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16:13:47  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25520 trunk/src/os/windows/ottdres.rc.in (2013-06-29 16:13:41 UTC)
16:13:48  <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: don't pretend that trunk is still doing something 1.3-ish in the Windows executable version information
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17:45:56  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25521 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-06-29 17:45:43 UTC)
17:45:57  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:58  <DorpsGek> english_US - 39 changes by Rubidium
17:45:59  <DorpsGek> german - 40 changes by Jogio, planetmaker
17:46:00  <DorpsGek> japanese - 48 changes by riolukid
17:46:01  <DorpsGek> korean - 3 changes by telk5093
17:46:02  <DorpsGek> spanish - 39 changes by Terkhen
17:46:03  <DorpsGek> tamil - 16 changes by aswn
17:46:04  <DorpsGek> turkish - 154 changes by emremeydan
17:51:05  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25522 /trunk/bin/baseset (8 files) (2013-06-29 17:50:59 UTC)
17:51:06  <DorpsGek> -Update: baseset descriptions
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18:21:25  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25523 trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp (2013-06-29 18:21:19 UTC)
18:21:26  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5587]: SDL does not give an event when an application gets mouse focus while going to full screen, so manually force the mouse-is-in-window state
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20:38:39  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=52396&p=1084606#p1084606 rocks... everywhere :D
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21:16:09  <Milaga> Hmm... regearing counts as cargo. How can I wait for a full load then? It will never be full if the locomotive has a regearing slot.
21:16:43  <Rubidium> use "full load any"
21:18:00  <Milaga> Oh, that should work if I'm just loading one cargo, yes?
21:18:12  <Rubidium> yes
21:18:16  <Milaga> Great, thanks!
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21:25:40  <__ln__> funny, there is a european country that has passenger trains on 100% of the country's railway network, yet no train regularly stops in the country.
21:26:20  <Dr_Tan> so like, one of those tiny countries?
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21:26:39  <Wolf01> no, italy
21:26:50  <Dr_Tan> yeah, exactly
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21:33:58  * Zuu found out that his htpc/home server has possible died. At least it didn't respond on ssh and was really hot even though the power consumption had dropped from 18 to 15 watts. The shop that sold it went bankrupt earlier this year ... :-p
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21:35:10  <__ln__> that's what pc hardware usually is like
21:37:00  <Zuu> This htpc is just one year old.
21:37:02  <Rubidium> so... is Monaco station legally on French grounds or so? It can't be the 300 meter in Vatican city as there's mostly cargo transit there
21:37:50  <Zuu> Have been on 24/7 though - I gues htpcs are not made for that ...
21:38:21  <__ln__> what I'm referring to is Liechtenstein
21:40:31  <andythenorth> bye
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22:24:54  <Terkhen> good night
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