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Log for #openttd on 3rd July 2013:
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01:35:33  <KillerByte_> hey, I just started a new game 1024*1024 map and no oil rigs (offshore) are being generated, is this normal?
01:39:23  <KillerByte_> is there a setting I should know about or something?
01:45:33  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, no offshore rigs will be generated at game start
01:45:55  <Eddi|zuHause> but they have increased chance of being generated during the game
01:46:08  <Eddi|zuHause> NewGRFs can override this behaviour
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05:56:57  <Supercheese> Forums seem down for me
06:00:41  <NGC3982> Morning.'
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06:19:58  <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: and your mode of discussion is less sane than wendy wright's .. and no, that's not a compliment
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06:24:49  <Xaroth|Work> but to quench your thirst, a simple google yields enough scientific papers you can read: http://scholar.google.nl/scholar?q=molten+salt+reactor&hl=nl&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=GcPTUZvJOceT0AXA1oHAAg&sqi=2&ved=0CC0QgQMwAA
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06:35:55  <Supercheese> Why do Neitzsche scholars translate ÃŒbermensch as superman?
06:36:15  <Supercheese> seems kind of silly...
06:36:23  <NGC3982> That is not limited to Nietzsche scholars.
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06:36:36  <Supercheese> yes, I suppose so
06:37:02  <Supercheese> the trend may have admittedly started before the superhero appeared
06:39:01  <Supercheese> then again, the way it reads, Neitzsche seems nearly untranslatable
06:39:29  <NGC3982> I do not think so, actually. The translation from "beyond" to "super" was not according to Wikipedia, not made until 1909.
06:39:34  <Supercheese> there must be something lost in the translation, or perhaps he makes no sense in German either...
06:39:56  <NGC3982> Well
06:40:09  <Supercheese> he did go mad in later years, I recall
06:40:18  <NGC3982> "Superman" seems to be a good translation?
06:40:35  <Supercheese> due to the name conflict, I'd prefer "supraman"
06:40:42  <Supercheese> but that's a tad odd-sounding
06:40:54  <NGC3982> As long as we ignore the Christopher Reeve part of it. :P
06:41:51  <Supercheese> as it stands, I cannot but help imagining ridiculous men wearing brightly colored tights
06:41:54  <NGC3982> Over-human could be a more fitting translation for the future, since we don't want Nietsche's ideas to conflict with that caped man..
06:41:58  <NGC3982> Hehe
06:42:01  <Supercheese> and underwear on the outside
06:42:02  <NGC3982> Exactly.
06:43:03  <NGC3982> Also; Just got an order of American Jelly Beans
06:43:10  <NGC3982> That shit is fantastic.
06:43:13  <Supercheese> Jelly Belly, or a knock-off brand?
06:43:26  <Supercheese> I've toured the Jelly Belly factory numerous times, fascinating place
06:43:44  <Supercheese> and, of course, liberal free samples :P
06:44:20  <NGC3982> Jelly Belly.
06:44:31  <Supercheese> Yes, decidedly good stuff
06:44:41  <Supercheese> except for their silly Harry Potter flavors
06:44:47  <Supercheese> "vomit"
06:44:49  <Supercheese> "earwax"
06:45:28  <NGC3982> :D
06:46:28  <NGC3982> The Cappuccino one is my favourite.
06:47:04  <Supercheese> Mmm, you're making me want to skip out and buy some
06:47:31  <Supercheese> are Jelly Bellies hard to come by? We have them in practically every grocery store and candy store
06:47:47  <Supercheese> hard to find for you*
06:53:37  <NGC3982> They are not sold by any Swedish affiliate
06:53:52  <NGC3982> But it is in some cases imported by small shops, or such.
06:54:09  <NGC3982> But yeah, i have never seen an actual JellyBelly can before.
06:59:19  <Supercheese> Now you're hooked :P
06:59:34  <Supercheese> better make friends with the importing company ;)
07:01:13  <Nat_aS> but is superman an example of an ÃŒbermensch?
07:01:30  <Supercheese> he'd have to hate Christians, so I suppose not :P
07:02:38  <Nat_aS> an existentialist superhero would be cool, but I don't understand Neitzsche either.
07:02:50  <Nat_aS> so I'd have no idea how that would work
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07:03:20  <Nat_aS> other than thinking Wanger was so much cooler before he sold out and became Christian.
07:03:24  <__ln__> is it a 'misspell Nietzsche' day?
07:03:51  <Supercheese> I suppose so
07:04:07  <Supercheese> it's his own darned fault for having a ridiculous name :P
07:04:18  <Nat_aS> also, the translations I have read don't bother translating ÃŒbermensch as anything
07:04:22  <Nat_aS> they just leave it
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07:04:27  <Supercheese> that'd be better
07:04:38  <Supercheese> I've got a Hollingdale here
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07:04:49  <Nat_aS> for the same reason Anime fansubers don't translate honorifics.
07:05:26  <Nat_aS> it's not hard for the reader to add a single word to his vocabulary, and it does a better job than trying to fit a word they know into the concept
07:07:54  <Supercheese> I'm not getting much out of his text anyway, so I suppose it's a moot point
07:10:25  <NGC3982> __ln__: We simply do not care.
07:11:01  <NGC3982> His name is his own fault.
07:11:06  <NGC3982> God damn hippie.
07:11:07  <Nat_aS> we are byond spelling.
07:11:51  <Supercheese> I probably should have remembered the German diphthong rule, but meh
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07:44:44  <NGC3982> It does seem like the current zBase set does not support 1.3.1, how-ever i try to play with it.
07:45:23  <NGC3982> I have tried forcing the game never to start in fullscreen as the reported error stated yesterday, but i still get the same effect.
07:45:31  <NGC3982> And it works out nicely with 1.3.0.
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07:46:44  <NGC3982> (The effect being that OpenTTD.exe crashes, or freezes).
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07:51:26  <NGC3982> Ref: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5571
07:56:24  <peter1139> Works for me™
07:56:32  <NGC3982> Ok.
07:56:42  <NGC3982> Well, then i'm all out of options. :/
07:56:52  <peter1139> Start with the 32bpp blitter.
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08:06:33  <NGC3982> Allright. Starting with zBase and 32bpp-anim did not work (it freezed). Neither did 32bpp-optimized, or 32bpp-simple.
08:08:06  <__ln__> NGC3982: *frozen
08:17:59  <peter1139> __ln__, *froze
08:18:39  <__ln__> oh, yes, somehow misread 'it' as 'if'.
08:19:23  <__ln__> peter1139: what about frore, froren?
08:21:14  <NGC3982> Ok then, screw it.
08:21:22  <NGC3982> I have eaten too many Jelly Beans anyway.
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08:25:15  <peter1139> Uh, ok
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08:41:38  <henrik> o/.
09:22:07  <planetmaker> hello
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09:33:04  <Supercheese> 'night
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09:43:00  <adit> good day :)
09:44:23  <dihedral> hello
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10:07:21  <NGC3982> That Canadian Train Set is fantastic.
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10:56:03  <planetmaker> NGC3982, sadly it's technically sub-standard
10:59:06  <NGC3982> The trainset, or zBase?
11:00:05  <__ln__> or canada?
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11:01:47  <planetmaker> the trainset
11:04:28  <NGC3982> I do not follow
11:06:42  <planetmaker> a newgrf programmed today could do much better. with respect to handling cargos. with handling railtypes (thus all problems they have with bridges). Just to name the two biggest blunders
11:07:02  <planetmaker> the techniques used are like 2005. Not 2013.
11:07:37  <NGC3982> I see
11:07:39  <planetmaker> well, make it 2008 or 2009
11:07:42  <NGC3982> That's a shame
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12:03:19  <MNIM> 0.0
12:03:20  <MNIM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60163_Tornado
12:03:24  <MNIM> you're kidding me
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12:15:23  <Eddi|zuHause> so they rebuilt an engine from scratch because no model of that type was preserved.
12:15:35  <Eddi|zuHause> what's weird about that?
12:16:07  <alluke> wat
12:20:07  <MNIM> it's just funny that the last new built steam loc was in 2008
12:23:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i think in switzerland was a company that wanted to produce brand new steam engines
12:26:13  <Eddi|zuHause> and here is another example of a newly built "museum engine" http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SÀchsische_I_K#Der_Neubau_einer_I_K_als_Museumslokomotive
12:27:24  <Eddi|zuHause> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxonia_(locomotive) <- and this one, as the first built engine, was reconstructed for the 150 year jubilee
12:28:21  <MNIM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5AT_Advanced_Technology_Steam_Locomotive
12:28:33  <MNIM> though that one is only a plan so far
12:29:55  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.die-schoene-wuerttembergerin.de/29001/home.html <-- there was also a project to rebuild this engine, but it has gone rather quiet around this project
12:30:13  <peter1139> Wonder where they get the coal...
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13:02:05  <Pinkbeast> 2008? Just off the top of my head, Kew Bridge's 0-4-0ST is from 2009.
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13:03:31  <andythenorth> o/
13:04:35  <Pinkbeast> MNIM: If I had 20 million quid I'd build the 5AT. :-)
13:07:27  <MNIM> it does look fun :P
13:09:53  <MNIM> Though personally Id more prefer a cross between that and this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR_18_201
13:11:32  <alluke> o7
13:11:35  <Belugas> hello
13:12:25  <Xaroth|Work> o/
13:14:02  <Pinkbeast> MNIM: Wardale designed it with 2 outside cylinders because of possible difficulties of getting vehicle acceptance for crank axles.
13:14:39  <MNIM> why so?
13:15:13  <MNIM> Heh.
13:15:22  <Pinkbeast> Basically everything in main line steam these days is type exemptions from normal practice because if you're running historical vehicles, that's how they were.
13:15:34  <MNIM> relevant music popped up on my playlist
13:15:46  <MNIM> Jethro Tull: Locomotive Breath
13:16:11  <Pinkbeast> For a genuinely new design, you don't have that excuse; and crank axles used to break like anything (and comedy ensue) in the 19th century, so Wardale felt the VAB might reasonably say they're a needlessly fiddly part.
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13:34:38  <Belugas> Em Em G D Em tacatacatac
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13:39:33  <peter1139> hmm
13:39:38  <peter1139> i should unbury my keyboard
13:42:30  <dihedral> lol
13:44:41  <Belugas> Locomotive breath ;)
13:45:10  <Belugas> and/or get a smaller one yu can carry around hahahah!!!
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14:22:55  <alluke> gimme tips how to stay awake
14:25:06  <murr4y> fap
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14:27:19  <alluke> naaah not now
14:31:54  <Xaroth|Work> go sleep?
14:33:22  <alluke> not yet
14:33:29  <alluke> 3-4 hours to go
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14:57:15  <Belugas> coffee + heavy metal
15:07:51  <alluke> i have coffee and guns n roses atm
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17:24:02  <Terkhen> hello
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17:45:52  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25554 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-07-03 17:45:39 UTC)
17:45:53  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:54  <DorpsGek> czech - 44 changes by Eskymak
17:45:55  <DorpsGek> english_US - 2 changes by Rubidium
17:45:56  <DorpsGek> finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
17:45:57  <DorpsGek> italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv
17:45:58  <DorpsGek> korean - 2 changes by telk5093
17:45:59  <DorpsGek> russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf
17:46:00  <DorpsGek> slovak - 8 changes by Milsa
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18:52:47  <Wolf01> hello :)
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19:45:10  <__ln__> just another summer day at a small airport (Turku, Finland): http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/EFTU.jpg
19:54:03  <frosch123> looks quite russian
19:54:31  <andythenorth> quak
19:54:33  <andythenorth> it's frosch123 :)
19:55:30  <frosch123> did the plane in the background crash into the hangar?
19:58:09  <__ln__> nope, it's just behind it :)
20:04:25  <__ln__> behind the hangar: http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/kuvat/EFTU_cargo.jpg
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20:14:13  <andythenorth> ha ha
20:14:19  * andythenorth forgot how to debug nfo
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20:21:24  <andythenorth> this patch should add Copper Ore support to CHIPS, but won't buil
20:21:28  <andythenorth> build *
20:21:29  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4919/CORE.diff
20:21:46  <andythenorth> nforenum errors not telling me much
20:21:57  <andythenorth> can anyone else test?
20:22:03  <andythenorth> needs this png also ;)
20:22:03  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4922/copper_ore_cargo.png
20:23:13  <andythenorth> solved
20:23:18  <andythenorth> teddy bear coding ftw again
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20:36:57  <andythenorth> CHIPS has no graphic for Sugar Cane
20:37:06  <andythenorth> what to do, what to do?
20:37:08  <Supercheese> steal from toyland
20:37:15  <Supercheese> or NUTS
20:37:19  <planetmaker> steal from firs :-)
20:37:36  <Supercheese> does FIRS have appropriate graphics?
20:37:40  <planetmaker> hm... I want newgrf fields :D
20:37:45  <Supercheese> I don't recall any "sugarcane lying around" gfx
20:37:52  <andythenorth> no graphics
20:37:53  <planetmaker> might not be, yes
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20:38:00  <andythenorth> planetmaker: try my new economy :)
20:38:07  <andythenorth> no fields, but yes, it makes you want them
20:42:52  <planetmaker> :-) I will definitely want to try that. Not before next week... very busy till Friday and then RL weekend w/o internet
20:44:02  <andythenorth> I might have the bugs out by then :P
20:44:11  <andythenorth> anybody else want to play test?
20:44:22  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/
20:45:07  <Supercheese> new economy, eh?
20:45:17  <Supercheese> does it have coal, or will HEQS still have that problem?
20:45:40  <andythenorth> still has that problem
20:45:54  <andythenorth> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/economies.html#MISTAH_KURTZ
20:46:05  <Supercheese> Ooh, documentation
20:47:30  <andythenorth> now I have FIRS economies, 50% of wishes can be accomodated :P
20:48:56  <NGC3982> Evening.
20:49:38  <NGC3982> The akward moment when my girlfriend downloaded fifty-ish pregnancy movies to our htpc.
20:51:54  <planetmaker> hm, that economy really sounds tasty, andythenorth :-)
20:52:13  <andythenorth> seems to be fun to play
20:53:59  <MNIM> NGC3982: ouch
20:54:08  <MNIM> my condolences :P
20:54:10  <andythenorth> [shrug]
20:58:05  <Supercheese> Hmm, with FIRS r3730, I'm getting Bank industries that have <invalid cargo>
20:58:19  <Supercheese> am I doing something wrong? Using new economy
20:58:25  <Supercheese> Heart o' Darkness
20:58:33  <frosch123> are you using some fishy town set?
20:58:40  <Supercheese> TTRS
20:58:45  <frosch123> try without it :)
20:58:48  <Supercheese> lemme clear all other grfs
20:59:23  <Supercheese> Yep, that'd do it
20:59:30  <Supercheese> silly TTRS
20:59:52  <frosch123> check whether your version has a parameter to disable banks
20:59:57  <frosch123> resp. turn them into houses
21:00:35  <Supercheese> the sugar cargo seems to be a broken chain
21:00:40  <Supercheese> no sugar plantations?
21:00:41  <andythenorth> ?
21:00:51  <andythenorth> ho ho
21:00:52  <andythenorth> good spot
21:01:10  <andythenorth> it's the sugar refinery that should be producing sugar
21:01:13  <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ttrs/repository/entry/docs/changelog.txt <- Supercheese: you could also just update ttrs
21:01:14  <andythenorth> hmm
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21:01:37  <Supercheese> I'm using a weird nightly
21:01:57  <Supercheese> or rather, a fork someone posted, IIRC
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21:02:22  <andythenorth> Supercheese: I'm fixing FIRS
21:02:26  <andythenorth> await a push :P
21:02:31  <Supercheese> roger
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21:05:56  <frosch123> night
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21:06:14  <Supercheese> Newest TTRS still doesn't allow for the new houses in the 19th century
21:06:54  <Supercheese> new houses only come in at ≈ 1920
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21:12:25  * andythenorth ponders GS ideas
21:12:57  <andythenorth> Zuu: I am playing a NoCarGoal game right now, 7 years.  It's fun.  But just 3 cargos...lacks depth
21:13:02  <andythenorth> more is not necessarily better
21:13:11  <andythenorth> :)
21:13:22  <Zuu> Feel free to fork it :-p
21:13:28  <andythenorth> but I am wondering about ideas ;)
21:13:44  <andythenorth> maybe if it was only secondary cargos, that is fun?
21:13:47  <Zuu> Or just suggest ideas.
21:13:55  <Zuu> :-)
21:13:57  <andythenorth> there's nothing wrong with NoCarGoal, but I've played it a few times now
21:14:12  <andythenorth> so I guess something a bit different, rather than 'same, only bigger' :P
21:14:35  <Zuu> 1 cargo is secondary, 1 is primary and 1 is totaly random
21:14:52  <Zuu> if any of those is passengers, the new intro text become funny :-)
21:16:29  <andythenorth> actually, all secondary would suck with this FIRS economy
21:16:34  <andythenorth> it's all about shipping primary cargo
21:16:56  <Supercheese> Ho, when did we get gallons and lbf instead of litres and kN?
21:17:01  <Supercheese> nice feature :)
21:17:39  <andythenorth> I wonder if 'flow' is a good goal?
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21:17:48  <andythenorth> ship n units of each target cargo per year
21:18:04  <andythenorth> no deadline, but 'win' = shortest time to achieve goal
21:18:10  <andythenorth> needs a high-score table :P
21:18:19  <andythenorth> I dunno if that is good or not
21:18:58  <Zuu> My OpenTTD todo-list has: - fix GS/StoryBook bugs, - improve story book, - rewrite tutorial to use story book. In addition to that there is NoCarGoal and a few other things. It would be nice to make use of the story book in eg. Split scenario.
21:20:02  <Zuu> Though currently, my hobby programming time is also spent on some interesting crowd sourcing web projects. :-)
21:20:54  <andythenorth> ? o_O
21:20:55  <Zuu> But it is quite flexible as it is a hobby to prioritize some thing that you feel like doing. :-)
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21:23:36  <Zuu> andythenorth: I've built a web platform for sharing information about hearing loops in public halls/rooms eg. at the move theatre etc. But there is always something that could be improved. :-)
21:24:14  <andythenorth> how interesting
21:26:04  <andythenorth> linky?
21:26:29  <Zuu> andythenorth: Its all in swedish, but here you go: http://slinga.nu
21:26:41  <andythenorth> neat
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21:47:45  <Terkhen> good night
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22:20:29  <TomyLobo> is there some way to make the "buy land" tool an area tool?
22:20:40  <Supercheese> only via patch
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