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02:25:47  <Nat_aS> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24299180/Hamilton%20%26%20Co.%2C%2019th%20Jun%201957.png what kind of intersection should I build here?
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03:06:57  <Supercheese> depends if you need full access to/from all directions
03:07:19  <Supercheese> or if certain incoming directions only need to go to some outbound directions
03:21:22  <Nat_aS> well full direction would be best
03:22:12  <Nat_aS> but really most trafic comes from NW so SW, with some traffic coming from SW to SE, NW to NE, and NW to SW
03:22:31  <Nat_aS> there is no SE to NE traffic
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06:34:28  <Terkhen> good morning
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07:16:29  <orudge> Rubidium: Oops, yes. Should be back now.
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07:51:11  <Vinnie_nl> Hello, any OSX users that expierence jittering (mouse jumps/slow reactions of newgrf selections) in the multiplayer menu when they select a server? It occours in 1.3.2-RC1 and its a simple question to see if its my PC or something else.
07:52:39  <Alberth> sounds somewhat like the increase in CPU usage mentioned at the forums
07:53:27  <Vinnie_nl> yes i've read that
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08:22:49  <Wolf01> quak
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08:37:41  <Supercheese> 'night
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08:38:58  <Alberth> quek
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09:01:31  <__ln__> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/10158311/Sky-Deutschland-to-broadcast-adverts-directly-into-train-passengers-heads.html
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09:05:13  <NGC3982> That sounds interesting.
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09:24:16  <fonsinchen> I hate that idea
09:26:18  <peter1139> yeah
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09:52:55  <permagreen> Hm... it might cool to be able to boost profits by selling ads on your vehicles. Not that most players really need much of a boost in that area
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10:47:37  <Alberth> o/
10:47:56  <frosch123> moin :)
10:48:03  <Wolf01> o/
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11:26:28  <y2000rtc> Hi all. Don't you know how I can set another parameter for vehicle of OpenTTD? I would like to have some locomotive early then is.
11:27:21  <y2000rtc> For TTD exist tool which know set vehicle's parameter.
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11:32:34  <Alberth> find a nice vehicle NewGRF
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12:18:26  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25564 trunk/src/gfx.cpp (2013-07-06 12:18:20 UTC)
12:18:27  <DorpsGek> -Add: a simple clipping rule to decide whether a string without linebreaks is visible before computing the layouting. This skips around 2/3 of layout computations in usual-sized list-like windows.
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13:44:59  <andythenorth> the cranes in this extend beyond their tile https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4988/DockMockup.png
13:45:20  <andythenorth> how should I implement that?
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13:52:13  <frosch123> the tile below shall still be traversible?
13:52:32  <andythenorth>  not essential
13:52:40  <andythenorth> preferable though
13:52:50  <Alberth> looking good!
13:52:57  <andythenorth> Dan drew it
13:52:57  <frosch123> well, then split the crane in two parts, and make the tile below draw some of it
13:53:03  <andythenorth> figures
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13:53:30  <frosch123> if you make it higher, you can also draw it with the duck tile behind it
13:53:48  <frosch123> but that does not work if the crane touches the water like in the picture
13:54:42  <andythenorth> I'll do the tile in front
13:54:48  <andythenorth> I can add some boats and such
13:54:55  <frosch123> :p
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14:02:36  <andythenorth> bbl
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16:08:00  <alluke> is that dock going to be in chips
16:09:19  <andythenorth> yes
16:09:26  <andythenorth> along with salt and vinegar
16:09:55  <andythenorth> no, it's in FIRS
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16:41:15  <andythenorth> anyone understand how I should set station prop 11 to show pylons?
16:41:15  <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Stations#Pylon_placement_.2811.29_and_wire_placement_.2814.29
16:41:43  <andythenorth> wtf are tile types?
16:44:36  * andythenorth never did figure out stations
16:51:55  <peter1139> just numbers
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16:52:22  <andythenorth> FF would probably work for prop 11 :P
16:52:28  <andythenorth> it bugs me I don't know why though
16:53:19  <andythenorth> can't find an action 0 for the tiles either :)
16:53:27  <andythenorth> CHIPS codebase was not my creation
16:54:42  <andythenorth> hmm
16:54:43  <andythenorth> found one
16:55:21  <andythenorth> hmm
16:55:31  <andythenorth> buy menu doesn't show electrified stations at all?
16:59:30  <frosch123> depends on whether you open the elrail or normal toolbar, doesn'T it?
17:00:11  <andythenorth> not sure :)
17:00:12  <frosch123> hmm, otoh, since most station grfs use complete custom purchase list sprites
17:00:14  <frosch123> that would fail
17:00:21  <frosch123> so, likely ottd does not draw catenary
17:01:36  <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r25565 /trunk/src (3 files) (2013-07-06 17:01:31 UTC)
17:01:37  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rewrite order prediction logic to introduce proper refit prediction
17:04:25  <andythenorth> fonsinchen: ^ if that's what I think it is, how does it handle auto-refit (any cargo)?
17:04:29  <andythenorth> (out of interest)
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17:06:38  <frosch123> it reports the user to openttd.org
17:07:30  <frosch123> mind that we do nothing with the report, but the nsa inbetween will take action and visit you
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17:12:05  <andythenorth> any station set with graphics for sacks?
17:12:07  * andythenorth needs some
17:13:16  <fonsinchen> It predicts future links of vehicles which are refiting at some place
17:13:55  <fonsinchen> It does not predict "refit to available cargo". If a vehicle does that somewhere the logic just assumes it will stay the same
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17:46:16  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25566 /trunk/src/lang (10 files) (2013-07-06 17:45:58 UTC)
17:46:17  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:18  <DorpsGek> catalan - 21 changes by smauleon
17:46:19  <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 11 changes by siu238X
17:46:20  <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 4 changes by siu238X
17:46:21  <DorpsGek> hungarian - 2 changes by IPG
17:46:22  <DorpsGek> japanese - 9 changes by guppy
17:46:23  <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 27 changes by cuthbert
17:46:24  <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by p0358
17:46:25  <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 2 changes by Tucalipe
17:46:26  <DorpsGek> slovak - 1 changes by Milsa
17:46:27  <DorpsGek> turkish - 63 changes by emremeydan
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18:08:49  <alluke> andythenorth: whats the difference between chips mud platform and grain silos base tiles
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18:10:21  <Alberth> 4 characters?
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18:11:56  <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: trying to increase post count?  :p
18:12:39  <Eddi|zuHause> just too lazy to do something important, i suppose
18:14:06  <Alberth> re-using the same text twice is a bit suspicious ;)
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18:41:03  <andythenorth> alluke: I don't know, is it a riddle?
18:41:20  <y2000rtc> Hi all, sorry for my question. But don't you know if I can change some parameter on locomotive in newgrf file? I like using invisible locomotive for design but it is verry slowly. I would like to change speed on this locomotive. Exist some possibility?
18:41:41  <Supercheese> There should be an invisible power boost engine that's not slow
18:41:55  <Supercheese> check the newgrf parameter
18:42:19  <y2000rtc> How supercheese? And thanks for your answer.
18:42:32  <Supercheese> Newgrf settings -> Click Invisible Leading Engine grf -> Click "Set parameters" at the bottom-right of the window
18:42:45  <Supercheese> (presuming you're using the "invisible leading engine" grf)
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18:43:24  <Supercheese> you should then see the option to active the power boosting engine
18:45:21  <y2000rtc> Ok, in parameter of grf file? I'm using invisible leading engine.grf. Is there name of parameter or I must know it?
18:45:35  <y2000rtc> I'm going to try.
18:45:57  <Supercheese> Once you click "set parameters", there should only be one option in the window that appears
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18:52:33  <y2000rtc> Ok, you are right. But without change. Still slow speed.
18:53:03  <Supercheese> You'll have to start a new game, changing the parameter in the main menu will not affect running games
18:53:05  <y2000rtc> Parameter was changed by me but engine is still slow.
18:53:20  <y2000rtc> Aha, ok. This is problem.
18:53:40  <Supercheese> and also that option will enable a new engine
18:53:53  <Supercheese> you'd have to replace the existing ones with the power boosting one
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18:54:10  <Alberth> just use NUTS vehicles, plenty of power :)
18:54:33  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25567 /trunk/src (3 files) (2013-07-06 18:54:26 UTC)
18:54:34  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Revive dead DrawStringParams as FontState.
18:55:11  <y2000rtc> Supercheese, exist some tools for edit all parameters on engines? For example. On czech engines i would like to change year of produce engine.
18:55:39  <Supercheese> That's possible, but not particularly easy
18:55:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25568 trunk/src/gfx_layout.cpp (2013-07-06 18:55:38 UTC)
18:55:46  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Non-ICU layouter started new lines with the space which triggered the linebreak.
18:55:49  <Supercheese> you'd have to decompile, edit NFO, and recompile with grfcodec
18:56:19  <Supercheese> unless the sources are available, in which case you just edit then compile
18:56:29  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25569 /trunk/src (3 files) (2013-07-06 18:56:23 UTC)
18:56:30  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Cache all Font instances in a static container.
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18:57:10  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: what do you mean?
18:57:53  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: oh, it posted twice. weird
18:59:15  <y2000rtc> Which tool must I use for decompile grf Supercheese?
18:59:36  <Supercheese> http://www.openttd.org/download-grfcodec
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19:00:39  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25570 /trunk/src (3 files) (2013-07-06 19:00:33 UTC)
19:00:40  <DorpsGek> -Add: cache for ParagraphLayouts.
19:05:10  <andythenorth> hmm
19:05:10  <andythenorth> I might remove the config file -> python step from FISH
19:05:10  <andythenorth> config file seems over-engineered now
19:05:10  <andythenorth> might as well just write python module for each ship IMHO
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19:06:36  <y2000rtc> I decoded Grf file, now I have two files. Nfo and pcx. What next? How can I find right parameter for year of produce, change and encode again back.
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19:09:05  <Supercheese> That's the tough part
19:10:45  <Supercheese> You need to find the appropriate action0 http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0
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19:15:07  <Eddi|zuHause> alternatively, you can do this tutorial http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NMLTutorial (you can skip the parts about graphics, only worry about the basic syntax and the properties) and then use this http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Overriding_vehicles_in_other_NewGRFs to change the properties of other grfs (you need to find out the Vehicle IDs of the other GRF, though)
19:15:40  <Supercheese> ah, I suppose
19:16:04  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, my mouse is acting up...
19:17:02  <Eddi|zuHause> double clicking when i do single clicks, letting go of things during drag&drop...
19:17:50  <Supercheese> you've got a mouse like a rat
19:18:55  <Eddi|zuHause> also, why is dolphin such a (relative) ressource hog? 6% while being idle and minimized
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19:23:07  <Alberth> it's a web browser in disguise :)
19:23:52  <Eddi|zuHause> but konqueror doesn't have that much "idle" usage either
19:28:53  <Alberth> perhaps it's polling directory contents or so?
19:29:53  <Eddi|zuHause> if so, it's doing a poor job at that either, because on my sshfs it fails to update when a new file appears
19:30:21  <Eddi|zuHause> not to speak of the free space display, which even fails to update on normal folders
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19:31:21  <Eddi|zuHause> next on the list of idle ressource hogs is kopete
19:32:36  <y2000rtc> Ok, NML says You use these commands. But I have to write these command to cfg file? And how can I find ID from engine?
19:33:43  <Eddi|zuHause> "commands" you run from a console, like on windows start->run->"cmd"
19:35:39  <Eddi|zuHause> the other nml stuff, you write into a text file, which you rename to .nml
19:35:58  <Eddi|zuHause> (make sure it's not ".nml.txt")
19:36:08  <Zuu> Except, that in the later Windows versions, they've hidden 'run' quite well so that it is much easier to just hold the windows key and press R.
19:36:29  <y2000rtc> Yes, it is no problem. I'm going to test.
19:36:41  <Eddi|zuHause> you can also just type "cmd" in the search box of the start menu
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19:44:19  <Zuu> yes you are right. Although that requires that the computer you currently use is fast enough to not take 5-10 seconds or more to respond to a simple start menu search.
19:45:15  <Zuu> If you use a laptop with a non-SSD disk that has been used for some time, the start menu search is quite slow.
19:45:53  <Supercheese> shift+right click -> select "open command window here"
19:45:54  <Supercheese> is best, IMO
19:46:19  <Eddi|zuHause> is that built in meanwhile?
19:46:32  <Zuu> That is built in since win 7 or even vista.
19:46:43  <Zuu> For XP, you had to get one of their power addons.
19:46:54  <Zuu> (it was a free addon though)
19:46:56  <Eddi|zuHause> yes. that one i know
19:47:08  <Supercheese> built in on Windows 7 at least, s'what I've got
19:47:11  <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm not really up to date with windows hidden features :)
19:47:19  <Zuu> What makes it hidden is that you need to hold shift while right clicking :-)
19:47:33  <Eddi|zuHause> as i have no win 7 myself
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19:59:58  <andythenorth> hmm
20:00:05  <andythenorth> sugarcane station cargo sprites
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20:19:08  <alluke> andythenorth: no i meant technically
20:19:18  <alluke> shouldnt they look the same? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/dafug.png
20:19:29  <andythenorth> ah
20:19:30  <andythenorth> ogfx
20:20:07  <andythenorth> I see the issue
20:20:10  <andythenorth> I don't use ogfx
20:20:30  <alluke> whats the difference in their coding that makes they look like that
20:20:59  <andythenorth> one of those tiles uses a sprite I've drawn, the other two use ogfx tile
20:21:14  <alluke> the default dirt tile?
20:21:16  <andythenorth> yes
20:21:27  <alluke> why cant you make them all use default tiles
20:21:34  <Supercheese> Yeah, I've never noticed that either, I always use TTD stuff
20:22:27  <alluke> i dont see the difference between drawn tile and default ttd tile anyway
20:24:12  <andythenorth> does the default ogfx mud tile match FIRS?
20:24:37  <alluke> yep
20:25:39  <andythenorth> oh yes
20:25:51  <andythenorth> FIRS uses that ugly ogfx mud tile if ogfx is enabled
20:25:58  <andythenorth> that's possibly a bug
20:26:10  <alluke> ugly?
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20:28:55  <andythenorth> I should disable CHIPS if ogfx is in use
20:28:57  <andythenorth> that would solve it
20:28:59  <alluke> i think ogfx tiles look the best in ogfx environment https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/N%C3%A4ytt%C3%B6kuva%202013-07-06%20kohteessa%2023.26.58.png
20:29:07  <alluke> nah
20:29:16  <alluke> make them use default tiles if ofgx is in use
20:29:18  <Eddi|zuHause> you can't detect OpenGFX's presence, though :p
20:29:21  <andythenorth> indeed
20:29:24  <alluke> that too
20:29:41  <andythenorth> I should fix that bug in FIRS too
20:29:57  <alluke> firs doesnt have anything wrong
20:30:02  <andythenorth> it's using the ugly mud tile
20:30:06  <andythenorth> I should fix that
20:31:17  <Eddi|zuHause> you should probably use a helidepot instead of a heliport for industrial areas :p
20:32:46  <alluke> yeah could work
20:33:12  <alluke> its hard to move the stuff up there via elevators
20:36:10  <alluke> andythenorth: you should make a poll about the mud tiles
20:36:35  <alluke> i think most of ogfx users would prefer ogfx mud tiles
20:39:11  <andythenorth> I don't care
20:39:44  <andythenorth> I file it as a bug with your configuration: you're using opengfx and CHIPS together.  That's not supported.
20:40:26  <Eddi|zuHause> there's lots of things wrong with this mindset
20:41:21  <DDR_> alluke: Agreed.
20:41:22  <andythenorth> pj well
20:41:28  <andythenorth> oh well*
20:41:29  <Alberth> I prefer the concrete tiles
20:41:30  <andythenorth> good night
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20:41:49  <alluke> hahahha
20:42:03  <DDR_> He's outtahere.
20:42:18  <alluke> ragequit
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20:45:11  <Alberth> good job
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21:19:36  <__ln__> http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/06/world/americas/canada-train-derailment-fire/index.html
21:19:55  <Wolf01> I reply with http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/07/06/2046226/boeing-777-crashes-in-san-francisco
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21:31:05  <alluke> __ln__: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4KzGKnuUuc
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21:54:42  <Supercheese> http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2013/07/06/soccer-referee-decapitated-brazil-stabbing-maranhao/2495199/
21:54:59  <Supercheese> and people say American Football is violent
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22:27:36  <Eddi|zuHause> there's also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrés_Escobar#Death
22:32:52  <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbChSuSQIo4
22:33:50  <alluke> sorry i dont understand german
22:34:54  <Eddi|zuHause> you should learn it :)
22:35:00  <alluke> why
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22:38:06  <alluke> George: why does ecs use CERE instead of GRAI?
22:38:08  <Eddi|zuHause> because!
22:38:16  <alluke> because hitler?
22:38:48  <Eddi|zuHause> germany doesn't only consist of hitler, you know
22:41:11  <alluke> sauerkraut and sausages too
22:42:25  <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe Goethe
22:45:00  <alluke> dat feel when youve drawn so many nice sprites and the coder just plays world of tanks ;______;
22:50:40  <Eddi|zuHause> get a code generator :)
22:51:02  <alluke> get what?
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22:52:00  <Eddi|zuHause> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/scripts/generate.py#L16
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22:52:27  <Eddi|zuHause> man this mouse button thing is getting annoying
22:53:13  <alluke> whats that
22:54:21  <Eddi|zuHause> says so in the beginning "a program that takes table entries and turns them into code"
22:54:47  <alluke> but that mouse button thing
22:55:11  <alluke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_aRKeDfqYo im laughing my ass off
22:55:32  <Eddi|zuHause> [06.07.2013 21:16] <Eddi|zuHause> hm, my mouse is acting up...
22:55:33  <Eddi|zuHause> [06.07.2013 21:17] <Eddi|zuHause> double clicking when i do single clicks, letting go of things during drag&drop...
22:55:50  <alluke> ah
22:56:01  <alluke> what kind of mouse is it
22:56:11  <Eddi|zuHause> logitech something...
22:56:25  <Eddi|zuHause> wireless mouse/keyboard combo
22:56:43  <alluke> combo?
22:56:55  <alluke> keyboawd with a trackpad in it
22:57:29  <Eddi|zuHause> no
22:57:40  <Eddi|zuHause> a mouse and a keyboard which use the same wireless receiver
22:57:47  <alluke> ah ok
22:58:02  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... and of course the 2 year warranty ran out a month ago :/
22:58:21  <alluke> planned breakdown fuck yeah
22:58:45  <alluke> dont buy anything from that same manufacturer anymore
22:58:51  <Eddi|zuHause> well logitech is usually not known for that
22:59:15  <alluke> hmm
22:59:19  <alluke> idd
22:59:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and that was already a replacement for some other manufacturer thingie that i returned twice
22:59:25  <alluke> i have their speaker set
22:59:33  <alluke> which has worked without problems for years
23:01:21  <alluke> but ask if you can get the mouse replaced since its been so little time from the warranty expire
23:03:31  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i'll try the shop on monday, and if they refuse i'll send a mail to customer support or something
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23:05:32  <alluke> ddr quit 24 years ago
23:06:08  <Eddi|zuHause> we made that joke a dozen times, i'm not sure he ever realized it :)
23:06:42  <alluke> i dont think he ever saw it
23:08:16  <alluke> ai logic: narrow gauge steamer and transrapid coaches
23:09:06  <alluke> and mail bulldozers xD
23:18:00  <Eddi|zuHause> trains DO cry :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumixfan68/9223096197/
23:20:43  <alluke> that looks something else to me......
23:21:05  <Wolf01> 'night all
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