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00:03:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:30 *** strohalm [~smoofi@cpe-0018f841fb5c.ip-pool.rftonline.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 00:15:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:41 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DD8F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:40:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DBAB.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:01 *** Ttech [~ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Este é o fim.] 00:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, i found the original box, and this sheet of paper says 3 years warranty 00:49:09 *** Ttech [~ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:37 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@200.139.121.29.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 00:58:49 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.233.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:08 *** Biolunar__ [mahdi@blfd-4d0821ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 02:09:19 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-184-213.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:11:43 *** Biolunar_ [~mahdi@blfd-5d82381e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:15:14 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-047-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:15 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 02:30:27 *** sound [~oftc-webi@59.93.50.81] has joined #openttd 02:31:57 <sound> i am facing a sound problem on windows 02:32:45 *** sound [~oftc-webi@59.93.50.81] has quit [] 02:33:01 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:20 <Terkhen> good morning 09:49:26 <Alberth> mornink Terkhen 09:49:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:06:13 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has joined #openttd 10:16:57 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-225.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 10:19:04 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A4E9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:42 <LordAro> hmm, HD 7770 or HD 7850 ? 10:30:49 <Rubidium> 1080i 10:33:41 <LordAro> ? 10:37:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25573 /trunk/src (lang/slovak.txt network/core/tcp_content.cpp) (2013-07-07 10:37:16 UTC) 10:37:23 <DorpsGek> -Change: make content list appear faster by allowing some window redraws in between 10:41:08 <LordAro> " What arbitrary number to choose is the ultimate question though." hehe :) 10:41:53 <frosch123> he did not pick 85 though 10:51:51 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@178.111.111.42] has joined #openttd 10:52:36 <andythenorth_> o/ 10:52:45 <Alberth> hi hi 10:53:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DD8F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:39 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@178.111.111.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:11:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host248-141-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:11:14 <Wolf01> hello 11:12:59 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 11:15:04 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:23 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:23:06 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:54 *** pugi 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<LordAro> this... is quite impressive http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4300 14:27:24 <Wolf01> yes, it is 14:29:15 <Alberth> nice :) 14:40:42 <Alberth> writing an assembler is fun :) 14:41:07 <Wolf01> I did it once, and it was just a logic ic tester 14:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not "write in assembler", "write _an_ assembler" 14:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> as in, the program that transforms assembler code into machine code 14:42:40 <Wolf01> misread, the a and the i are so similar :P 14:43:20 <Alberth> it's a common mistake 14:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> grfcodec is some sort of assembler 14:43:41 <Alberth> input language is quite easy :p 14:44:22 <Alberth> no labels and constants :) 14:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there are jump labels somewhere 14:48:39 * frosch123 approves jumping 14:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> # jump! jump! 14:49:23 *** roadt__ [~roadt@114.96.132.15] has joined #openttd 14:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> man that was aaaages ago 14:49:46 <frosch123> you're an old man 14:53:39 *** roadt_ 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<frosch123> hmm, yeah, it is not properly licensed 15:48:56 <frosch123> XeryusTC: please add a licence or copying file to the repository 15:49:47 <frosch123> oh, untouched since 2008 15:50:30 <alluke> i think noone minds it since quast made the addition set 15:53:52 <XeryusTC> it has no license? :o 15:54:28 <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchstations/repository <- nothing there 15:55:08 <XeryusTC> how odd 15:55:21 <XeryusTC> pm mustÂŽve missed that one when he scolded me for not adding licenses to my projects 15:56:36 <alluke> and who drew the canadian stations brick platforms 15:56:53 <frosch123> does it have a readme? 15:57:43 <XeryusTC> btw, dutch station setÂŽs graphics license are a bit weird, they are mbÂŽs original creation, but modified by Purno to look Dutch 15:58:06 <alluke> graphics by lifeblood and oz 15:58:54 <frosch123> alluke: well, then better don't touch either of those sets 15:59:30 <frosch123> dutch not having any licence at all, and canadian for sure non-free 16:00:29 <XeryusTC> for dutch you better ask on the forums, youÂŽve got my permission to mess with the code, if you dare ;) 16:03:59 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:34 <alluke> ill post the graphics and ask 16:18:37 *** kais58___ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:20:19 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:15 *** kais58___ is now known as kais58|AFK 16:50:14 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:50:31 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:19 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 17:05:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:24:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:55 *** adit 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Milsa 17:46:05 <DorpsGek> tamil - 15 changes by aswn 17:46:06 <DorpsGek> turkish - 29 changes by emremeydan 18:10:01 *** adit [~adit@182.11.156.78] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:52 *** adit [~adit@182.2.107.166] has joined #openttd 18:50:47 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2409 18:50:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:11 *** Guest2409 [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:25 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:44 <andythenorth> FIRS: station names from nearby industry 19:04:46 <andythenorth> good or bad? 19:05:03 * andythenorth has to fix missing ones or remove more. Wants opinion. 19:05:24 <alluke> good 19:05:36 <alluke> btw 19:05:51 <alluke> theres error in firs finnish translation 19:06:09 <alluke> lumber yard and sawmill have same names 19:06:20 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause ¿ ^^^ I trust your opinion, even if I don't always agree 19:06:27 <andythenorth> alluke: fix it? 19:06:35 <Alberth> andythenorth: seems somewhat useful to me 19:06:40 <alluke> okay 19:06:44 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/changes/lang/finnish.lng 19:06:48 <alluke> ty 19:07:27 <andythenorth> also http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/translations/ 19:08:07 <andythenorth> there are 45 missing strings and 38 outdated for Finnish 19:08:53 <Alberth> and at least 1 wrong translation :p 19:10:16 <alluke> btw 19:10:31 <alluke> why are À and ö converted to ⧠and ââ ? 19:10:54 <frosch123> select utf-8 encoding in your browser 19:11:36 <frosch123> "menu->view->character encoding->unicode utf-8" for me 19:11:45 <Alberth> and please also in your editor 19:12:21 <alluke> ye converted it to utf 19:12:47 <Alberth> huh? it was already utf-8 :) 19:14:10 <alluke> not here 19:14:56 <frosch123> nah, what albert meant is: the file was already utf-8, and you did not convert it, but you changed the interpretation of the file on your side 19:15:20 <frosch123> basically you switched your os from dos 1990 compatibility to a year 2000 (?) standard 19:17:42 <frosch123> oh, actually unicode is way older 19:18:50 *** Adson102 [~AndChat17@public14097.cdma.centertel.pl] has joined #openttd 19:19:00 <andythenorth> does anybody care about cargo payment rates? 19:19:10 <andythenorth> before I spend too long obsessing about them :P 19:19:56 <Adson102> I've opened OpenTTD on android 4.0 tablet... and i have question, is there any possiblity to open cheat window without using ctrl alt c? Cuz i dont have this buttons ! XD 19:20:05 <frosch123> impressive, utf-8 is from 1993 19:20:35 <frosch123> so even more hillarious how certain os still default to 8 bit latin-x encodings 19:21:00 <glx> frosch123: don't you mean 1250 ? 19:21:15 <frosch123> true :) 19:21:32 <Alberth> alluke: if you really converted the file, you would now have a broken file (as in doubly encoded) 19:21:50 <alluke> what? 19:21:55 <ntoskrnl> MOJIBAKE 19:21:56 <alluke> i saved it as utf 19:22:08 <alluke> replaced old one 19:22:22 <glx> it was already utf8 19:23:02 <Alberth> alluke: probably a good step, you don't want to save an utf-8 file under another encoding 19:23:09 <glx> so utf8 opened as latin1 then saved as utf8 is totally broken 19:28:38 <alluke> must i add the missing strings to the file manually 19:33:10 <Adson102> Can i open cheat window using a command ? 19:33:32 <andythenorth> weight and capacity multiplier of coffee cargo? 1.0 for both? 19:34:05 <andythenorth> coffee is pretty light 19:34:25 <andythenorth> then there's the whole volume / weight / units shenanigan :P 19:34:29 * andythenorth needs a collaborator 19:34:43 <frosch123> what kind of coffee? 19:34:56 <glx> Adson102: we don't support the mobile version 19:34:57 <andythenorth> coffee beans, unit is sacks 19:35:03 <frosch123> still green, or already "baked"? 19:35:12 <andythenorth> hmm 19:35:21 <andythenorth> green probably 19:35:54 <frosch123> use something between grain and fruit? 19:36:03 <Adson102> Thx ;D so i must play fair o/ 19:36:05 *** Adson102 [~AndChat17@public14097.cdma.centertel.pl] has quit [Quit: Baj baj maszkaru! ] 19:36:08 <frosch123> i would think coffee is lighter than grain 19:36:11 <frosch123> but heavier than fruit 19:36:22 <andythenorth> ho 19:36:39 <andythenorth> grain + fruit both have weight 1 and cap. multiplier 1 19:36:40 <andythenorth> :o 19:36:52 <frosch123> easy pick then :p 19:36:57 <andythenorth> seems so :) 19:37:05 <andythenorth> inertia 19:37:07 <andythenorth> is easier 19:37:54 <alluke> when will firs get nicer oil refinery and aore mine graphics? 19:37:57 <andythenorth> why does rubber set liquid class only? 19:38:06 <frosch123> alluke: wrong question 19:38:56 <frosch123> andythenorth: because packaged cargo is boring to transport 19:41:20 <andythenorth> good answer 19:41:25 <andythenorth> I doubt it's the actual cause :) 19:41:26 <andythenorth> but nvm 19:49:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:51:14 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:07 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:33 <andythenorth> I think I'll leave cap and weight at 1 :P 20:06:32 <frosch123> oh wait, it was "bags" right? 20:06:38 <frosch123> then weight should be less :) 20:07:18 <andythenorth> sacks 20:07:23 <andythenorth> slight difference 20:07:39 <andythenorth> ;) 20:08:13 <frosch123> doesn't ttd also use bags for mail, instead of sacks? 20:08:45 <andythenorth> yes 20:08:53 <andythenorth> iirc 20:09:00 <frosch123> sounds like timber and lumber to me :p 20:09:08 <andythenorth> coffee bag: http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/20093/China_Coffee_Bag2009361116388.jpg 20:09:52 <andythenorth> coffee sacks: http://nbfy.com/jj/files/coffee_sacks_250.JPG 20:09:56 <andythenorth> :) 20:10:00 <andythenorth> potato / potato 20:10:39 <andythenorth> herp, now I need to set town effects 20:10:45 <andythenorth> sugar: none 20:10:47 <andythenorth> rubber: none 20:10:50 <andythenorth> diamonds: none 20:10:55 <andythenorth> copper ore: none 20:10:59 <andythenorth> coffee: ? 20:11:22 <frosch123> goods? 20:11:38 <frosch123> actually, goods is a silly town effect 20:11:42 <frosch123> no real town effect 20:12:09 <andythenorth> all town effects are a bit zilly imo 20:12:14 <andythenorth> still, we are where we are :) 20:13:17 <andythenorth> frosch123: would you remove TE from goods? o_O 20:13:42 <frosch123> te is abused for 3 different purposes 20:14:11 <frosch123> pax/mail te affects what is shown in town gui statistics (no gameplay effect at all) 20:14:21 <frosch123> water/food is actual gameplay 20:14:30 <frosch123> goods affects subsidy generation 20:14:49 <frosch123> i think the goods thingie is most likely to be dropped at some point, if it actually isn't already 20:15:01 <frosch123> i recall terkhen doing stuff around there 20:15:12 <andythenorth> I didn't know goods affected subsidies 20:15:19 <andythenorth> and I have been playing for....some time :) 20:15:31 <frosch123> andythenorth: never mind, it was already fixed 20:15:42 <frosch123> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Cargos#Substitute_type_and_multiplier_for_town_growth_.2818.2C_19.29 <- says ottd 0.6-1.1 20:16:13 <andythenorth> so FIRS sets TE water for cargo Goods 20:16:19 <andythenorth> which is pleasing :) 20:16:19 <frosch123> so, goods effect is basically non existent 20:17:15 <Wolf01> good night 20:17:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:17:39 <andythenorth> ho 20:17:44 <andythenorth> there are two properties for colour :) 20:17:58 <andythenorth> so station list and cargo chains and payment chart can diverge 20:18:08 <andythenorth> what larks :) 20:18:20 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-134-225.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:42 <frosch123> night 20:36:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc9cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: quak] 21:09:44 <andythenorth> hmm 21:10:00 <andythenorth> changelogs in markdown? 21:10:46 <andythenorth> they're not far off already http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/releases/LATEST/docs/changelog.txt 21:20:41 *** chester_ [~chester@95-28-199-222.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:21:11 *** flaa [~flaa@89.100.79.103] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:22:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:33:29 *** Supercheese [~Password4@98.145.153.126] has joined #openttd 21:43:29 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 21:49:40 <alluke> why did ai sell its profitable trucks 21:49:59 <Zuu> because some condition told it to sell them 21:50:17 <Zuu> Eg. it may have detected a possible congestion 21:50:51 <alluke> i buit a highway for its vehicles 21:50:55 <alluke> and renewed them 21:51:22 <Zuu> But to get a better answer, you need to tell us which AI you use and probably ask the author of it along with a savegame. 21:51:44 <alluke> admiralai 21:51:52 <alluke> and no, i wont bother him with this crap 21:53:33 <__ln__> perhaps the ai hired Elop as the ceo 21:54:39 <alluke> :P 21:55:19 <alluke> sucks that you cant change ai settings ni-game 21:55:23 <alluke> or wait 21:56:08 <alluke> lets hope ai_developer_tools = true works 21:56:52 <Zuu> alluke: You can change AI settings in game. 21:57:06 <Zuu> Open the AI debug window 21:57:12 <alluke> no, they were all greyed out 21:57:21 <Zuu> Not the AI settings 21:57:35 <Zuu> Use the '?' menu to the far right in the game 21:57:41 <alluke> both were greyed out 21:58:02 <Zuu> In the AI debug window? 21:58:05 <alluke> yep 21:58:14 <Zuu> Did you first click on the AI "tab"? 21:58:21 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@46.208.2.126] has joined #openttd 21:58:28 <Zuu> (Those button that has the company colour) 21:58:29 <alluke> hmm 21:58:32 <alluke> they still are 21:58:52 <alluke> now 21:59:18 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-26-185.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:21 <alluke> choochoo works 22:00:31 <alluke> the rest dont 22:00:49 <Zuu> Note that AIs and GSs can per setting set a flag if the setting can be changed in-game. 22:01:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:20 <alluke> yeah 22:01:24 <alluke> i guess its that 22:02:16 <Zuu> In trunk, I "fixed" that GS settings can be opened in-game via the normal settings window, however after that I noticed that AI settings can't be viewed in-game via the settings window. So its somewhat on my list to also fix the AIs so that you don't need to find the AI debug window to change settings of an AI when the developers has told OpenTTD that settings _can_ be changed. 22:04:09 <Zuu> IIRC, the default is that a setting cannot be changed in-game. For my AIs/GSs, I have enabled that for 99% of my settings. The only case when I haven't is when there is a real reason to dissalow it. 22:05:20 <Zuu> But if the author of other AIs don't see the point of allowing users to change settings, then it will be disabled. 22:05:26 <alluke> which ais are yours? 22:05:49 <Zuu> CluelessPlus, PAXLink, IdleMore and TownCars 22:06:02 <Zuu> And Tutorial AI 22:09:42 *** Biolunar__ [mahdi@blfd-4d0821ad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 22:11:20 <Zuu> Aditionally, many AIs use SuperLib which is a library with a common base that I use for most of my AIs/GSs. It is a quite fat library with everything from simple helpers up to building a bus stop in a town. (but of course misses a lot of things others may want because they want to do something else than what I did) 22:12:09 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:22:14 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:27 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:57 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.hdsnet.hu] has quit [] 22:32:45 <alluke> zuu you must have had fun while writing cluelessplus 22:33:08 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 22:33:24 <Zuu> yes, otherwise I wouldn't have released almost 30 versions of it :-) 22:33:59 <alluke> those debug texts..... 22:34:23 <Zuu> Hmm, anything that stands out? 22:34:42 <Zuu> Other than it calling everything a 'bus' even if it is an aircraft or a truck? 22:36:09 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:11 <alluke> "the ai is so happy with the new hq that it cant think about anything else for a while.." 22:36:38 <Zuu> Ah.. that string is printed if you have the 'slow AI' setting enabled in its settings. 22:37:17 <Zuu> It adds some artificial delays after certain actions. Most noticable while building road. The HQ also has a delay and that debug message :-) 22:37:49 <alluke> whats with the station naming 22:37:59 <alluke> theyre senseless 22:37:59 <Zuu> It stores data in the station names 22:38:02 <alluke> rofl 22:38:09 <alluke> cant it be stored somewhere else 22:38:18 <Zuu> Not as robust as in the station names 22:39:02 <Zuu> CluelessPlus do not store anything in the save game other than the data it store in station and vehicle names. This way, if the AI crashes, I can save the game and reload from that point. 22:39:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:39 <Zuu> There doesn't need to be any special recover in that case, just normal save/load. 22:41:20 <Zuu> Btw, the smiley at the end of the station name is not data - only some random letters to make the name unique :-) 22:43:46 <alluke> why not stations default name? 22:45:03 <Zuu> Station names are limited to 31 chars. The default name wouldn't always fit. Also, I'm quite unsure if the AI can get the default string in a such way that it can combine it with another string and set that as station sign. 22:45:17 <Zuu> Also, I find the smiley solution more fun. 22:54:05 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:16:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:10 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 23:57:59 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:59:14 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.]