Log for #openttd on 25th July 2013:
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00:26:05  <SamanthaD> Yo!
00:26:38  <SamanthaD> The SVN repository is officially bonkers...
00:27:35  <SamanthaD> if I try to checkout from '" target="_blank">' it wants me to use '' but if I use that one it complains that I ought to be using '" target="_blank">'
00:27:37  <SamanthaD> it's a loop!
00:27:42  <SamanthaD> *gets dizzy and falls down*
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00:47:57  <glx> SamanthaD: why not use svn:// ?
00:49:07  <SamanthaD> glx: I'd rather use an SSL or an SSH tunnel if I can at all help it
00:51:56  <glx> should work as it works in the browser
00:53:14  <glx> just tested, it works for me
00:53:17  <SamanthaD> YES!
00:53:20  <SamanthaD> it's worknig for me too
00:53:23  <SamanthaD> thank you VERY much!
00:53:53  <glx> checkout the whole repo is never a good idea :)
00:54:02  <SamanthaD> :p
00:54:21  <SamanthaD> bandwidth shmandwidth
00:54:43  <SamanthaD> also, someone maybe ought to fix the links in the developer's section of the website then
00:55:55  <glx> they are correct
00:56:05  <SamanthaD> oh...
00:56:15  <glx> they just don't specify trunk
00:56:20  <SamanthaD> ah
00:56:24  <SamanthaD> well, I'm happy
00:57:47  <glx> I guess it's assumed people will add /trunk or whatever branch they want to checkout
00:58:38  <SamanthaD> ah, yes, probably
00:58:58  <SamanthaD> either way, I wanted trunk and that's what I'm still apparently downloading
00:59:27  <SamanthaD> I gotta hand it to free-and-open-source development
00:59:48  <SamanthaD> you don't often find proprietary games with Luxembourgish translations...
01:00:14  <glx> oh there are more obscur languages available too :)
01:00:20  <SamanthaD> I know
01:00:25  <SamanthaD> I'm watching the translation files roll in
01:00:38  <SamanthaD> apparently there's no Lojban
01:00:48  <SamanthaD> though I think I saw Esperanto
01:01:38  * SamanthaD begins her Klingon translation
01:02:46  <glx>
01:03:15  <SamanthaD> nah, I honestly don't think anyone cares about an OpenTTD Klingon translation
01:05:11  <SamanthaD> also, apparently there's no klingon word for locomotive so... we're kinda hosed
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03:54:55  <NGC3982> Morning.
03:55:24  <NGC3982> SamanthaD: It's a great idea, but i'm sure it would not be used more than as a novelty.
03:56:10  <SamanthaD> NGC3982: What, the Klingon translation? :p
04:01:19  <NGC3982> Yes
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04:12:40  <SamanthaD> 'twas kinda a joke :p
04:13:24  <SamanthaD> that being said... some locomotives in OpenTTD *DO* have cloaking devices!
04:13:25  <SamanthaD>
04:13:27  <NGC3982> :D
04:13:43  <SamanthaD>
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05:45:34  <roboboy> since when did OpenTTD get an Australian ENglish translation?
06:00:13  <planetmaker> moin
06:02:09  <peter1139> roboboy, 16:04:58 on 3rd Jan 2012
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07:03:35  <Xaroth|Work> so, is the text upside-down then?
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07:23:25  <andythenorth> so it's lomo?
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07:33:11  <peter1139> old
07:39:01  <Aristide> Hi !
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07:50:33  <dihedral> good morning
07:51:34  <Xaroth|Work> o/
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08:17:45  <SamanthaD> andythenorth: those are some really windy viaducts...
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08:19:13  <krinn> hi
08:20:21  <SamanthaD> hey!
08:20:35  <Aristide> dihedral: o/
08:22:14  <SamanthaD> I kinda like how smartphones have almost lead to a renaissance of 2d games
08:22:35  <SamanthaD> it seemed like in the late 90s and early turn of the century everyone and their mother was working with a 3d engine whether it made sense or not
08:23:15  <SamanthaD> *cough* Nintendo64 *cough cough*
08:24:00  <Aristide> :)
08:24:18  <Aristide> SamanthaD: I have a NES EMulator on my Nintendo DS :x
08:24:26  <Aristide> And SNES
08:24:30  <SamanthaD> I freaking love NES and SNES
08:24:33  <Aristide> And GB / GBA
08:24:45  <SamanthaD> the N64 can go ahead and die for all I'm concerned though
08:25:04  <Aristide> SamanthaD: Many games are very good on N64
08:25:16  <Aristide> Mario Kart 64, Mario party 3 <3
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08:25:23  <SamanthaD> I suppose... I just get dizzy really easily with 3d graphics
08:26:45  <SamanthaD> I also really like sprite graphics for some nostalgic reason
08:26:55  * krinn don't want play any game, except pong : real men don't play pussy games with colors.
08:27:05  <SamanthaD> haha!
08:27:31  <SamanthaD> Let's hear it for ZZT!
08:27:36  <SamanthaD> best graphics EVER
08:29:25  <krinn> i once own an hercules video card, *cough* was top card with 4 or 7 colors i don't remember, ~1200euros (by that time)
08:29:52  <SamanthaD> Wow... that's... expensive
08:30:31  <krinn> hmmm, by that time, a computer was ~3000
08:31:02  <krinn> i think my first game was sram
08:31:08  <krinn> let me see if i can find you a pic :)
08:31:51  <krinn> :D
08:32:06  <SamanthaD> I kinda missed out on the super early computers since my parents were luddites (still are) and barely saw the value in a television, let alone those "new fangled business machines"
08:32:45  <SamanthaD> I can't remember exactly how old I was but my first computer was a second hand Mac Plus
08:32:54  <SamanthaD> my first game was Reader Rabbit
08:33:10  <SamanthaD> oh my! those are actually some swanky graphics
08:33:45  <krinn> yeah, but my monitor was amber only
08:33:54  <SamanthaD> haha, that does make a difference
08:34:15  <SamanthaD> I discovered classic games in reverse
08:34:38  <SamanthaD> I got reader rabbit when I was real little on my first computer then when I was 13 or 14 or something I got a PC with Starcraft
08:34:41  <krinn> yeah, the card was rendering from black to yellow with like 4-6 browns
08:34:49  <SamanthaD> then I reached adulthood and got my hands on a Z-Machine interpreter and all hell broke loose ;)
08:36:03  <SamanthaD> though... I did play with ZZT a lot when I was little
08:36:30  <SamanthaD> and netreck :p
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08:38:47  <krinn> never played zzt myself
08:39:36  <SamanthaD> Setting up DosBox to play ZZT is on my "things to do" list
08:39:58  <SamanthaD> ZZT was an old game engine thing where you could make your own (mostly action/adventure) games
08:40:02  <SamanthaD> it was very primitive
08:40:25  <SamanthaD> there was another "advanced" version of it but I can't remember the name
08:40:36  <SamanthaD> anyway, I did my first coding in ZZT :p
08:41:55  <peter1139>
08:42:08  <peter1139> Good stuff
08:42:22  <SamanthaD> I never played that one
08:42:47  <krinn> i brough a lynx computer (lol company collapse 1 week after)
08:43:15  <SamanthaD> heh... that must have been the pits
08:43:31  <krinn>
08:43:42  <krinn> i was really made with the qwerty keyboard by that time
08:45:06  <peter1139> All those early companies went tits up, except Apple...
08:45:15  <SamanthaD> and IBM
08:45:21  <SamanthaD> and Xerox
08:45:25  <peter1139> IBM never really targetted the home user market though.
08:45:33  <SamanthaD> and Amiga, actually
08:45:39  <SamanthaD> did you know Amiga is still puttering along?!
08:45:47  <peter1139> the PCjr flopped though...
08:45:54  <SamanthaD> yup
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08:46:25  <SamanthaD> I honestly don't know why people use AmigaOS anymore
08:46:50  <peter1139> Amiga was a product...
08:47:10  <SamanthaD> it's like... all the downsides of running a desktop GNU/Linux ten years ago only without the freedom
08:47:28  <SamanthaD> oh yeah... made by Commodore, you're right
08:47:38  <SamanthaD> point is, they still make AmigaOS
08:47:51  <peter1139> commodore don't :)
08:47:55  <SamanthaD> :p
08:48:05  <SamanthaD> yeah...
08:48:06  <peter1139> RISC OS is still developed to
08:48:07  <peter1139> +o
08:48:13  <peter1139> (but not by Acorn)
08:48:34  <SamanthaD> so is BeOS
08:48:50  <SamanthaD> there's even a FOSS clone of it
08:49:23  <peter1139> i've never met anyone who ever used beos
08:49:33  <SamanthaD> me either
08:50:44  <peter1139> hmm, wonder if GEM is still going
08:50:50  <SamanthaD> let's look it up...
08:54:11  <SamanthaD> apparently not
08:54:20  <SamanthaD> according to Wiki the last stable release was in 1988
08:54:34  <SamanthaD>
08:54:39  <SamanthaD> it's amazing we all didn't go blind
08:55:00  <peter1139> looks like windows 8
08:55:05  <SamanthaD> HAHA!
08:55:05  <peter1139> all flat :)
08:55:30  <peter1139> i remember another proprietory desktop system that didn't make it, but i don't remember its name :(
08:55:57  <peter1139> had a "nice looking" (at the time) interface with raised buttons etc
08:55:59  <SamanthaD> mmhm... a lot of proprietary desktops died
08:56:06  <SamanthaD> with freedom comes immortality
08:56:12  <SamanthaD> I don't think X11 will *ever* die
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08:56:24  <SamanthaD> much to all of our disappointment ;)
08:56:25  <peter1139> ubuntu will!
08:56:38  <SamanthaD> oh god... Unity
08:56:47  <peter1139> never used it but ... urgh, ubuntu
08:57:00  <SamanthaD> Ubuntu: We put spyware on your freedoms!
08:57:17  <SamanthaD> I used Unity for a very SHORT while
08:57:21  <peter1139> trying to raise ,000,000 on indie gogo...
08:57:25  <krinn> i would put my bet on xorg, but x11 life will get hard imo
08:57:29  <peter1139> canonical is no indie company :S
08:57:31  <SamanthaD> back when it first came out and was still known as "Ubuntu Netbook Remix" it was actually pretty useful
08:57:47  <SamanthaD> those saved ten pixels really helped when your screen barely had more resolution than a cellphone
08:58:13  <SamanthaD> oh, I kinda subsumed xorg into "x11"
08:58:16  <SamanthaD> after all, it IS a fork
08:58:38  <krinn> but the fork reason should be why x11 life will get harder now
08:58:45  <SamanthaD> does anyone actually use vanilla x11 anymore?!
08:59:07  <SamanthaD> hmm... probably the same people who use
08:59:21  <krinn> :)
08:59:23  * peter1139 mumbles about the current crop of toolkits making remote X11 useless
08:59:28  <krinn> oracle so
08:59:32  <SamanthaD> yes... that is sad
08:59:45  <SamanthaD> and Wayland doesn't even have network terminals in its specifications last I looked
09:00:14  <peter1139> nope, they're going the vnc-type way
09:00:25  <SamanthaD> honestly, VNC isn't all that bad
09:00:38  <SamanthaD> it's not appropriate for servers though
09:00:48  <peter1139> well
09:00:50  <SamanthaD> that being said, what are you doing running a desktop on a server in the first place?!
09:01:11  <peter1139> x11/wayland aren't appropriate for servers either :p
09:01:18  <SamanthaD> exactly
09:02:41  <SamanthaD> well... they're appropriate when the server in question is the "meat" behind a bunch of headless workstations!
09:03:02  <peter1139> that's kinda different though
09:03:05  <krinn> hdd weren't cheap
09:03:07  <SamanthaD> yup
09:03:08  <peter1139> and hopefully that'll be on a lan
09:03:22  <SamanthaD> nah, I enjoy lag
09:03:36  <peter1139> token ring? heh
09:03:41  <SamanthaD> HAHA
09:03:54  <peter1139> yeah, thin-computing is kinda dead since laptops are so cheap
09:03:58  <peter1139> well actually no
09:04:04  <peter1139> thin-computing has turned into web-computing
09:04:10  <SamanthaD> or at least since "nettops" are so cheap
09:04:26  <peter1139> reading the ubuntu blogs the other day (i'm crazy) and they're all about web shit and amazon cloud shit...
09:04:50  <peter1139> and the gnome blogs... they're lamenting that nobody uses gnome anymore, it's all web-apps that people use
09:05:11  <peter1139> i dunno what planet they're all on but i loathe the concept of web apps for real work :S
09:05:22  <SamanthaD> nowadays I'd venture to say it's cheaper to buy five Atom based nettops with enough power to do their own hosting than five thin clients and their server
09:05:31  <SamanthaD> YES!
09:05:56  <SamanthaD> I can't believe that Ubuntu would embrace the cloud
09:05:58  <SamanthaD> actually, I can
09:06:00  <peter1139> i still use an email client, heh
09:06:01  <SamanthaD> the cloud makes money
09:06:04  <SamanthaD> me too
09:06:23  <peter1139> but they all put their trust in the likes of gmail
09:06:24  <peter1139> sigh
09:06:32  <SamanthaD> but then again, we're using IRC so...
09:06:35  <peter1139> true
09:06:44  <peter1139> i'm kinda obsolete :S
09:07:11  <SamanthaD> we're using IRC on a channel about a project to reverse-engineer an old game for the sake of software freedom
09:07:23  <SamanthaD> I don't think you'll find many supporters of the "cloud" here
09:07:48  <krinn> no, but i support clowns
09:07:55  <SamanthaD> clowns are awesome
09:08:13  <krinn> that's why i love gnome
09:08:20  * peter1139 has a £15... cheque... o_O
09:08:23  <krinn> cannot be anything but clowns making it
09:08:30  <peter1139> they're pretty obsolete
09:08:54  <SamanthaD> I used to love Gnome until they got the idea that user preferences "hurt brand identity"
09:09:04  * krinn think peter1139 should raise its prize, it's too cheap for such a sexy body
09:09:05  <peter1139> krinn, they're only concerned about "brand" now :(
09:09:12  <SamanthaD> yeah
09:09:17  <SamanthaD> I'm so grateful to XFCE
09:09:25  <peter1139> can't have themes! ruins our brand
09:09:26  <SamanthaD> I don't know what I would have done if it din't exist
09:09:44  <peter1139> xfce isn't as consistent as gnome 2 was
09:09:45  <krinn> well, i still use gnome, but v2
09:09:54  <SamanthaD> true, but it's pretty nice
09:10:03  <SamanthaD> and I know I'd never get my mother to use Openbox
09:10:15  <peter1139> problem with gnome is the gnome devs don't use it
09:10:24  <peter1139> they're all on os x and, again, web-apps
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09:10:46  <SamanthaD> I get enough requests for tech support at ungodly hours. I don't need to explain how to format a text configuration file every time she wants to change the desktop image.
09:10:50  <peter1139> i'm sure it's lovely if all you need is a maximized web browser...
09:10:57  <SamanthaD> wait... seriously?!
09:11:04  <krinn> no, the problem with gnome (and many linux prog) is redhat
09:11:10  <SamanthaD> (ps: I love OpenBox, don't get me wrong)
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09:12:07  <SamanthaD> what gets me is all the forks of Gnome3
09:12:28  <krinn> i know gnome2 fork but some guys fork gnome3 ?
09:12:41  <SamanthaD> Yeah, it's called Cinnamon I think
09:12:51  <krinn> i see the point to fork gnome2, but forking gnome3, no i don't get why
09:13:25  <SamanthaD> it looks pretty nice but a lot of it is currently rather hacked together and some clown coded in a routine that makes the window manager suck about 3-5% of my CPU at idle
09:13:38  <SamanthaD> I brought it up with the devs and they tell me that it's working as expected
09:13:46  <peter1139> yeah, well, i actually hate all this composite crap
09:14:01  <SamanthaD> krinn: eyecandy
09:14:03  <peter1139> sure it offloads stuff to the gpu, but... it never feels as fast
09:14:13  <SamanthaD> that's because it isn't as fast
09:14:25  <peter1139> and my 8800gt isn't exactly low end, although nothing like high end any more
09:14:29  <SamanthaD> also, I like my GPU idling on a laptop
09:15:08  <SamanthaD> I've measured the power draw on my batteries and compositing can cost me an extra 1-2W of power
09:16:05  <SamanthaD> you know what really peeved me about Gnome3 though, more than anything else?
09:16:14  <krinn> yeah
09:16:15  <peter1139> that they ruined gnome 2?
09:16:19  <krinn> it's not gnome 2 ?
09:16:37  <SamanthaD> the way that they bundled end-user apps so tightly with the DE that you almost couldn't use anything else
09:16:51  <SamanthaD> Epiphany instead of Pidgin
09:17:17  <peter1139> empathy is so buggy :(
09:17:27  <peter1139> half the time it won't open chat windows for me
09:17:34  <SamanthaD> yes, and they refuse to support OTR out of principle
09:17:36  <peter1139> it actually worked better in gnome 2
09:18:12  <SamanthaD> "If you want encryption you should use a protocol that has encryption built into its specification"
09:18:20  <peter1139> which is... none
09:18:28  <SamanthaD> XMPP I think has support for it
09:18:33  <SamanthaD> but most clients don't
09:18:35  <krinn> that's gnome guys, fucked up gnome2 by doing a crappy running gnome3 that is l33t for nothing but battle against another crappy desktop (unity) and then crying nobody likes gnome anymore
09:18:53  <SamanthaD> :p
09:19:01  <krinn> and none seems to see why...
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09:20:05  <SamanthaD> I can't believe that Debian defaults to Gnome3
09:20:12  <SamanthaD> have you seen Debian's implementation of Gnome3?
09:20:27  <peter1139> i'm using it
09:20:29  <SamanthaD> it's so heavily patched that it's barely recognizable
09:20:43  <SamanthaD> what do you think of it?
09:20:52  <peter1139> well... sucks compared to gnome 2
09:21:02  <peter1139> i've not used an unpatched version of it though
09:21:19  <SamanthaD> peter1139: Debian's implementation of XFCE is actually pretty swell. Just say'in
09:21:25  <peter1139> i went back to using windowmaker for a bit but some things didn't work right
09:21:43  <peter1139> xdg-open on a directory opened a web browser... good stuff
09:22:18  <SamanthaD> I remember back when I first discovered Gnome
09:22:24  <SamanthaD> it was *awesome*
09:22:27  <peter1139> corba!
09:24:14  <SamanthaD> corba?
09:24:33  <peter1139> early gnome was all about corba linking things together
09:24:41  <SamanthaD> ooooh
09:24:58  <SamanthaD> I dunno... it was a long time ago
09:25:09  <SamanthaD> all I remember was it was cleaner than KDE
09:25:25  <SamanthaD> and my pointer didn't hop around as much
09:26:04  <SamanthaD> I'm not a big KDE fan but I'm glad it's around
09:26:24  <SamanthaD> a lot of these newcomers seem to insist on desktop sparkle
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09:32:53  <krinn> you know what's bad with random playlist : hear t.n.t from ac/dc after bach air, it hurts
09:33:54  <SamanthaD> hehe
09:34:54  * SamanthaD is listening to Eastern Orthodox liturgical music
09:36:28  <SamanthaD> the choir sounds HUGE but because of the construction of the domes of Russian churches, specifically the indentations in the roof, it causes a rather complex echo delay
09:36:44  <SamanthaD> specifically designed to make a choir sound three or four times as large as it actually is
09:36:50  <SamanthaD> I think that's just the coolest thing
09:37:16  <krinn> could be interresting to listen to that yes
09:38:53  <SamanthaD> look up the monks of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra
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09:40:41  <SamanthaD> add on the basso profundo and it's <3
09:41:05  <krinn> wow nice looks like lisa gerard
09:41:32  <SamanthaD> what does?
09:41:47  <krinn>
09:42:15  <SamanthaD> 500 internal server error :p
09:42:32  <SamanthaD> ah, there we go
09:43:30  <krinn> try some dead can dance then :)
09:44:05  <SamanthaD> oh yeah, I was just listening to that!
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09:44:55  <SamanthaD> oooh, good sounds
09:45:16  <krinn> i love dead can dance, i'm big fan
09:45:27  <SamanthaD> can see why
09:45:51  <krinn> lisa gerrard is the lady, she also sing many movie tunes, like gladiator soundtrack
09:46:24  <SamanthaD> you know what question I hate? "What kind of music do you like?"
09:47:10  <krinn> oh it's easy for me, anything but !rap
09:47:16  <SamanthaD> haha
09:47:33  <SamanthaD> what about hip-hop or R&B?
09:47:43  <krinn> i like
09:47:48  <SamanthaD> me too
09:48:59  <SamanthaD> it's like "Well, earlier I was enjoying Prokofiev but now I'm listening to dubstep remixes"
09:49:10  <krinn> :D
09:49:25  <SamanthaD> ... on my headphones
09:49:35  <SamanthaD> for some reason dub makes people around me complain
09:50:02  <SamanthaD> wha... wha... wha... thumthumthumthumthumthum
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09:50:23  <krinn> going to ear what dubstep is :)
09:50:34  <SamanthaD> haha, sec, link
09:50:45  <lugo> Start off with "Distance" :)
09:51:27  <SamanthaD> how did I not know about this "distance" thing!?
09:51:53  <krinn> well, i will keep my distance from that thing :P
09:52:04  <krinn> looks like rap without voice ^^
09:52:12  <SamanthaD> nah, the beat gets funkier
09:52:27  <SamanthaD> that's more like D&B
09:52:42  <krinn> i like drum & bass
09:52:48  <SamanthaD> me too
09:53:21  <krinn> top one!
09:56:32  <SamanthaD> bass!
09:57:44  <SamanthaD> I actually got introduced to electronica a long time via a MIDI sequencer :p
09:58:30  <SamanthaD>
09:58:38  <SamanthaD> that will get you more complaints, I guarantee it
09:58:48  <SamanthaD> but... if you're into it it's pretty darn good
09:59:08  <krinn> lol looks like amiga good old days mod
09:59:15  <SamanthaD> heheeeee
09:59:27  <krinn> lmao 4 tracks only
09:59:42  <SamanthaD> I think the sequencer I was using had unlimited tracks
10:00:24  <krinn> :) lookout doctor awesome
10:00:32  <SamanthaD> hehee
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10:02:00  <SamanthaD> I think analog synthesizers are amazing
10:02:03  <SamanthaD> I wish I had one
10:02:16  <SamanthaD> "It's the size of a church organ and does two octaves!"
10:03:19  * krinn would be fine having a church, even without organ or analog synth
10:03:38  <SamanthaD> what would you do with it?
10:03:56  <krinn> play music as loud as the speakers could handle :)
10:04:07  <SamanthaD> haha! it's a plan!
10:04:56  <SamanthaD> you can use my amp
10:05:24  <krinn> love the reverb church have
10:05:44  <SamanthaD> I got a 100W amp a while ago when I got my new speakers thinking it would be a good idea. I used my multimeter on the leads a while ago and discovered I reach the threshold of pain around 10-15W :p
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10:06:17  <krinn> :D
10:08:01  <SamanthaD> I think if I were to do it over again I'd get one of those absolutely tiny 20-or-so watt digital amps
10:08:43  <krinn> i think i can goes with a cathedral as well
10:08:57  <SamanthaD> they come with a bishop!
10:09:44  <krinn> another human, despite the status he think he have, so he can be kick out
10:10:21  <SamanthaD> oh come now! bishops can rock out just like the rest of us :3
10:10:43  <SamanthaD> and with their pointy hats they're epic when they head bob
10:11:17  <blathijs> SamanthaD: How do you measure that with a multimeter? Measure AC voltage and then to P = V^2 / R ? (with R = speaker impedance)?
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10:12:49  <SamanthaD> blathijs: the method I used was to run a sinusoidal test tone through the speakers and measure voltage and amperage
10:13:29  <SamanthaD> which... admittedly is a flawed measurement
10:13:51  <peter1139> analogue synths are way expensive :(
10:13:55  <SamanthaD> they are
10:14:29  <SamanthaD> I have this fantasy of building a barrel organ in the attic
10:14:54  <SamanthaD> the console in the living room and the tubes horizontally mounted in the attic
10:15:05  <SamanthaD> my neighbors would hate me
10:15:17  <peter1139> heh
10:15:48  * peter1139 fiddles with xfce
10:15:54  <SamanthaD> like it?
10:16:00  <SamanthaD> I actually prefer it to Gnome2
10:16:12  <peter1139> that was quaint, coming back to find a xscreensaver prompt :)
10:16:18  <SamanthaD> I KNOW!
10:16:23  <peter1139> gnome 3... where you don't get to choose your screensaver anymore...
10:16:31  <SamanthaD> you can't
10:17:36  <blathijs> SamanthaD: Sounds like it would work :-)
10:17:50  <SamanthaD> blathijs: the organ in the attic?
10:18:08  <peter1139> hmm, how do i set the primary monitor in xfce
10:18:09  <blathijs> No, the power measurement on your speakers :-)
10:18:21  <SamanthaD> blathijs: oh right!
10:18:24  <blathijs> organ would be cool too :-p
10:18:48  <SamanthaD> peter1139: I'm honestly not sure...
10:19:05  <peter1139> i tried xrandr with --primary but no luck :S
10:19:12  <SamanthaD> peter1139: there has to be some way to do it...
10:19:51  <peter1139> oh balls, i turned off the left display, turned it on again, and now it's mirrored instead o_O
10:20:12  <SamanthaD>
10:21:39  <SamanthaD> unfortunately, also, Debian froze about a week or two before XFCE 4.10 came out >.>
10:21:41  <peter1139> hee, that's freaky, left monitor is flipped horizontally
10:21:42  <SamanthaD> I'm still bitter about that
10:21:57  <SamanthaD> peter1139: check the displays panel
10:22:45  <peter1139> yeah that's where i am. seems pretty useless :(
10:23:00  <SamanthaD> yeah... sorry 'bout that
10:23:12  <SamanthaD> I hope you work through the multi-monitor blues because the DE is otherwise really swell
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10:26:05  <peter1139> hmm, can't test OTR in pidgin cos... nobody else cares, and just uses skype or facebook chat o_O
10:26:29  <SamanthaD> you could chat with me :p
10:26:44  <SamanthaD> I more-or-less bullied my friends into installing an OTR plugin :p
10:27:27  <peter1139> i can't get them to use xmpp either :(
10:27:38  <SamanthaD> mmhm
10:27:45  <SamanthaD> a lot more people use XMPP now that Google Chat uses it
10:27:58  <peter1139> except they're stopping that
10:28:05  <SamanthaD> THEY'RE WHAT?!
10:28:15  <SamanthaD> I thought they were just deemphisizing it
10:28:20  <SamanthaD> are you saying that my XMPP account is going to stop working?!
10:28:39  <peter1139> s2s is/will be stopped at least
10:28:49  <SamanthaD> those bastards!
10:29:00  <SamanthaD> ah well... I stopped using Google for websearches a long time ago
10:29:08  <SamanthaD> as far as I'm concerned they can go take a hike
10:29:25  <peter1139> android phones are so tied in to it :(
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10:29:38  <SamanthaD> who said I use a cellphone? :p
10:29:46  <peter1139> most people do
10:30:09  <peter1139> thunar is about 1 million x faster than nautilus, interesting
10:30:24  <SamanthaD> instead of using a cellphone I sit down in my chair once a month and stare at a crisp 100 dollar bill that I wouldn't have otherwise have had ;)
10:30:40  <peter1139> ahh... my work pays for mine :p
10:30:43  <SamanthaD> hehe
10:32:10  <SamanthaD> I might consider a 100% FOSS cell phone
10:32:19  <peter1139> lol
10:32:19  <SamanthaD> but as of now that's kinda a pipe dream
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13:54:18  <planetmaker> looks like your railtype issue @ Eddi|zuHause ?
13:54:35  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes
13:55:00  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: can close that as fixed, then
13:55:35  <planetmaker> is it fixed?
13:55:58  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
13:56:04  <planetmaker> oh :-) nice
13:56:15  <Eddi|zuHause>
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14:17:34  <fjb> Moin
14:18:12  <Xaroth|Work> o/
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16:09:11  <Alberth> hi hi
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16:23:40  <fjb> Quak frosch123
16:23:43  <Alberth> quak
16:23:48  <Alberth> quak fjb!
16:23:57  <fjb> Moin Alberth
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16:25:42  <frosch123> moin :)
16:25:49  <DanMacK> Hey all
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16:26:54  <DanMacK> Andy ever around these parts lately?
16:27:24  <frosch123> @seen andythenorth
16:27:25  <DorpsGek> frosch123: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 9 hours, 3 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <andythenorth> so it's lomo?
16:27:40  <DanMacK> cool
16:27:50  <frosch123> usually he joins also in the evening
16:27:58  <frosch123> in 2 hours or so
16:28:31  <V453000> what :D brunswick = braunschweig?
16:28:37  <V453000> confused = me
16:28:47  <DanMacK> Cool, I've been so out of the loop it ain't funny
16:28:59  <V453000> is brunswick like an international name for it?
16:29:01  <V453000> pm? :D
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16:31:41  <frosch123> V453000: the opposite
16:31:44  <frosch123> local dialect
16:32:01  <frosch123> oh both
16:32:07  <V453000> oh?
16:32:22  <frosch123> so, the local name and the english name match more with each other, than with the regular german name :p
16:32:49  <frosch123> engishl: brunswick, german: braunschweig, local: brunswiek
16:32:58  <V453000> :D
16:33:57  <fjb> Brunswiek is the old name from the midle age. It changed over time and became Braunschweig.
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16:52:51  <fjb> Oh, there are "new" new stations.
16:52:53  <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: how did that navi-project of yours turn out?
16:53:35  <V453000> project is fine, cant seem to contact smatz though
16:53:55  <planetmaker> :-(
16:55:45  <planetmaker> you tried his mobile number? and land line one?
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17:45:25  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25627 /trunk/src/lang (brazilian_portuguese.txt vietnamese.txt) (2013-07-25 17:45:16 UTC)
17:45:26  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:27  <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 62 changes by Tucalipe
17:45:28  <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 35 changes by myquartz
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18:15:10  <Wolf01> o/
18:15:30  <Alberth> hi hi
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18:24:55  <V453000> hm, thing: I have a station long 5, train long 5 too (original trains so consisting of 8/8 units), I have a train with orders to go into that station twice in a row, both set on <far end>. How is it possible that the train does not reverse after each visit, if it should have been at the <far end> already before?
18:25:07  <V453000> aka it always just moves like 1px forward to revisit the station
18:25:22  <V453000> never departs from the station, only keeps turning around
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18:26:52  <planetmaker> it always travels to the far end from the POV of its current position :-)
18:27:07  <planetmaker> as it's at one end, it turns. And the notices "oh, I'm at the end"
18:27:27  <V453000> it stays at the one end without turning
18:27:40  <V453000> and as both train and station are equally long, it shouldnt even happen
18:29:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure about the current implementation, but in Ye Olden Times the stopping position was more around 12/16 of the tile than at the end
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18:30:07  <Eddi|zuHause> so from there you have about 3 further stopping positions (where the engine slightly overlaps to the next tile)
18:30:34  <V453000> o_O
18:31:25  <Eddi|zuHause> then the train would reverse every 4 stops
18:31:48  <V453000> but why :d
18:31:59  <V453000> it should logically reverse after 1 stop if it at <far end>
18:32:31  <Eddi|zuHause> if it were the "really far end", the engine would always stick out of the platform
18:32:32  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that was fixed i believe, at least the bounding boxes no longer move when reversing
18:32:51  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i think you're talking about a different thing here
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18:48:06  <Alberth> hi super cheese
18:48:27  <planetmaker> nom nom
18:50:09  <Supercheese> Mmm, cheese
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20:45:09  <fjb> I need a flat habour for rivers...
20:46:37  <Eddi|zuHause> yes.
20:46:44  <Eddi|zuHause> NewDocks
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21:22:49  <LordAro> Rubidium/whoever: there is a typo in the 1.3.2-RC2 changelog: managable -> manageable
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21:30:42  <Eddi|zuHause> is there an easy "hg" way of separating several hunks of the same file into different commits?
21:32:24  <frosch123> i usually just split the diff
21:32:45  <frosch123> hg qnew, hg qpop, edit, hg qimport, hg qpush, hg qfinish
21:34:40  <Eddi|zuHause> that's about what i just did, just i used hg diff, edit, patch -p1 -R, commit, patch -p1
21:37:32  <frosch123> night
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