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Log for #openttd on 28th July 2013:
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00:00:05  <wakou2> No, temperate
00:00:51  <NeuhNeuh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIbW0BTNcrU <3
00:01:18  <krinn> temperate town need nothing
00:01:46  <wakou2> this one needs food!
00:01:55  <krinn> so you're playing with a GS
00:03:23  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopuX6889.png
00:03:37  <wakou2> No, no script
00:04:03  <krinn> i don't know then, but wiki say temperate = no needs
00:04:08  <NeuhNeuh> =o
00:04:11  <NeuhNeuh> KDE <3
00:04:18  <NeuhNeuh> wakou2: You use widget for upload pictures ?
00:04:22  <NeuhNeuh> :D
00:04:28  <wakou2> Yes
00:04:46  <NeuhNeuh> ^^
00:07:13  <krinn> http://wiki.openttd.org/Climates#Temperate
00:07:28  <krinn> Unlike the sub-climates, there are no requirements of food or water for any towns to grow
00:07:58  <krinn> so you're playing with a script or not temperate, one or the other no?
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00:10:07  <wakou2> krinn:  been a while since I started the game... (year 2050) but no script...
00:10:46  <krinn> well, i think the sub towns ask food & water, but don't tell growth rate even if you provide them
00:10:49  <wakou2> & temperate climate (I think, just some snow on hill tops)
00:10:57  <krinn> so it must be a GS, i think it's one by zuu
00:11:17  <wakou2> If I look in newgrf settings?
00:11:33  <krinn> no but if you look at script
00:11:44  <wakou2> .. no no script loaded
00:12:47  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopFg6889.png
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00:13:48  <wakou2> Shall I post a .sav somewhere?
00:14:19  <Aristide> ...
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00:14:24  <Aristide> Bad connection x)
00:14:27  * Aristide slap phone
00:14:43  <krinn> no, even with a GS your screenshot says growing every 76days
00:14:52  <krinn> so it grow, every 76 days :)
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00:15:54  <Aristide> Now the USB Cable ...
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00:18:00  <wakou2> krinn:  Where did you get the 76 days? It says town is NOT growing
00:18:29  <krinn> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopuX6889.png
00:18:45  <krinn> it says food deliverd, grow every 76 days
00:19:16  <krinn> and lol yes, town don't like you
00:19:31  <wakou2> but, then it dies not grow..and says food needed..
00:20:11  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopWI6889.png
00:22:04  <krinn> read the subartic part of town growth
00:22:22  <krinn> even accepting food it may not grow
00:23:56  <wakou2> Hmm not sub arctic, not above snow line, and 1,000 tonnes per month delivered.
00:24:22  <krinn> not temperate, as temperate have 0 needs
00:25:16  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopPm6889.png
00:25:34  <wakou2> That is february. NOT sub arctic.
00:26:15  <krinn> The most striking feature of Sub-Arctic is the snow above a certain line
00:26:18  <krinn> so got snow ?
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00:29:35  <wakou2> hmm yes, but only dust on tops. The town in question is not above the snow line.
00:30:08  <wakou2> I am going to put as much food as possible in there and see if that helps...
00:30:31  <krinn> well, it won't do anything bad anyway
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00:40:41  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopjh6889.png
00:41:11  <wakou2> Doubled the food, planted max trees on every avaiable square
00:43:34  <krinn> http://wiki.openttd.org/Town_growth#Tips_for_Town_Growth
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00:46:39  <wakou2> krinn:  yes, done that, built roads in a grid, but can't build more stations becaus of rating
00:47:40  <krinn> then fix your rating
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00:49:35  <wakou2> can't I have done everything, funded building, advertising, funded roads, planted trees etc etc
00:51:34  <krinn> corrupt the town, it's the fastest way
00:52:08  <krinn> and if you can't, you must wait, town rating grow slowly : go read more about handling rating
00:53:20  <wakou2> :)
00:53:37  <wakou2> I'm going to bed now, thans foe your help.
00:53:54  <wakou2> Tomorrow I bribe the Mayor!
00:54:15  <krinn> or do another town, it's sometime easier
00:54:22  <krinn> going bed too
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06:45:20  <dihedral> fjb: authentication problems? :-P
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06:49:58  <dihedral> TrueBrain: ping :-P
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06:57:35  <Terkhen> good morning
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06:59:29  <dihedral> Hello Terkhen
07:01:22  <Tom_Soft> Hello!
07:01:23  <planetmaker> good morning
07:01:25  <planetmaker> dihedral, you can come over for breakfast now :-)
07:02:15  <dihedral> i was hoping to hear if i can pickup ln
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07:05:28  <__ln__> gm
07:05:39  <dihedral> Yay
07:06:40  <dihedral> I pick you up
07:06:44  <__ln__> i'll pack my stuff and check out, that'll take less than 30 mins i hope
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07:18:37  <dihedral> ln: i am infront of the hotel
07:19:54  <__ln__> ok, a few minutes
07:20:49  <planetmaker> Xaroth|Work: LIES!
07:21:14  <dihedral> The breakfast here smells better than where i stayd
07:22:49  <dihedral> Planetmaker: just like Eddi|zuHause :-P
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07:37:08  <dihedral> Ding dong
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08:49:48  <Wolf01> hello
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08:51:17  <LordAro> heyo
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08:52:00  <Wolf01> hello Aro
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08:52:38  <LordAro> hi wolf
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09:26:44  <LordAro> fix your internet fjb_mobile :P
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10:06:53  <LordAro> right, that's it. rebuilding system time
10:07:05  <LordAro> see you all on the other side (hopefully)
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10:29:28  <andythenorth> Moin
10:32:02  <Aristide> andythenorth: Hi
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10:36:32  * SamanthaD waves to people
10:37:25  * Aristide push SamanthaD o/
10:37:42  <SamanthaD> hey Artistide
10:38:12  <Aristide> :)
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10:39:11  <SamanthaD> so, been quiet?
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10:40:01  <Aristide> SamanthaD: No, its too hot here :(
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10:40:30  <Aristide> My fan has turned all night
10:40:52  <SamanthaD> Ah yeah, I know how that works
10:41:10  <SamanthaD> I usually leave a fan on at night unless it's in the middle of winter
10:41:12  <SamanthaD> and even then sometimes
10:41:17  <SamanthaD> a small fan, pointed away from me
10:41:26  <SamanthaD> (I can't sleep without the noise)
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10:43:30  <peter1139> same here
10:43:36  <peter1139> except not a small fan
10:43:36  <Aristide> x)
10:43:44  <Aristide> Good appetit o/
10:43:44  <SamanthaD> HA!
10:44:14  <peter1139> using a 2' fan last night
10:44:15  <SamanthaD> we have those new digital electric meters here so I was playing with it the other day
10:44:28  <SamanthaD> our attic fan when turned on full blast draws 1.5kW
10:44:34  <SamanthaD> how's that for "not little"?
10:44:38  <peter1139> :D
10:44:52  <peter1139> i think mine is only 200W or so
10:45:15  <SamanthaD> it's this four foot diameter fan with a motor as big as my head
10:45:17  <SamanthaD> I love it so much
10:45:19  <peter1139> my little a/c unit can't cope with the heat :(
10:45:30  <peter1139> heh nice
10:45:57  <SamanthaD> only run it about 30 seconds to flush the attic of hot air
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10:46:49  <Wolf01> I'm fine here, closed in my little room, in front of 2 23" monitors, playing a game, without fans, and the floor is lava
10:47:03  <SamanthaD> the floor is always lava!
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10:47:31  <SamanthaD> am I the only one who doesn't dual-head her monitors?!
10:47:38  <Xaroth|Work> yes
10:47:40  <peter1139> apparently
10:47:46  <TWerkhoven> pretty much
10:47:56  <SamanthaD> I always use laptops though...
10:48:03  <peter1139> well that's different
10:48:09  <peter1139> although you can get dual screen laptops
10:48:20  <Xaroth|Work> or hook a screen to a laptop
10:48:33  <peter1139> bah, why are thinkpads so expensive in the uk? :(
10:48:51  <SamanthaD> actually, a DIY project I've been contemplating has been to modify an old laptop whose motherboard is fried and connect up the monitor to its former video-out and use it as a second head for my laptop!
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10:49:52  <SamanthaD> if any of you guys want to manufacture something like that remember: you heard it here. send me a couple freebies ;)
10:51:46  <SamanthaD> peter1139: it used to be that you could buy a thinkpad without an operating system but they seemed to have stopped offering that. Got 200 bucks off a computer doing that once!
10:52:34  <peter1139> funny how they call 1366x768 HD
10:52:37  <peter1139> i call it crappy
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10:52:51  <SamanthaD> well... it's technically HD as far as TVs are concerned...
10:52:57  <peter1139> stupid ;(
10:53:11  <SamanthaD> I don't think I'd want anything higher than that on a laptop though
10:53:20  <SamanthaD> I prefer miniature laptops
10:53:21  <peter1139> £30 for the 1600x900 upgrade though
10:53:50  <SamanthaD> ... could be worth it
10:53:53  <SamanthaD> what size monitor?
10:53:56  <peter1139> 14"
10:54:04  <SamanthaD> ah, yes, worth it
10:54:12  <SamanthaD> <-- uses 12" monitors typically
10:54:30  <SamanthaD> I wouldn't want a 1600x900 12"
10:54:32  <SamanthaD> I'd go  blind
10:54:33  <peter1139> meh, can't afford it :p
10:55:18  <peter1139> need to convince my work to get me one
10:57:05  <SamanthaD> For me I'd just like a more powerful processor
10:57:25  <SamanthaD> I bought an AMD Fusion laptop *right* when they first came out
10:57:27  <peter1139> hmm, X230, 12.5"...
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10:57:39  <peter1139> wonder what HD vs Premium HD gives you
10:57:42  <SamanthaD> it was supposed to do a bunch of nifty stuff when it comes to multimedia
10:57:43  <peter1139> both 1366x768
10:57:57  <peter1139> yeah right
10:57:58  <SamanthaD> what they didn't mention was that it needed a bunch of fancy microcode and the microcode is buggy as sin
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10:59:07  <wakou2> Hallo guys.... Please help me 'grow' this town... (Tearing hair out here....)
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10:59:14  <SamanthaD> next computer I get is going to have 2GHz quad cores with hyperthreading
10:59:15  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopVU6850.png
10:59:17  <SamanthaD> accept no substitutes
10:59:29  <SamanthaD> hey wakou2
10:59:55  <peter1139> wow that's ugly
11:00:00  <wakou2> I have funded new buildings (twice) planted zillions of trees, funded road repairs
11:00:18  <wakou2> It has about 2,000 tonnes food p/m
11:00:20  <SamanthaD> wakou2: road repairs don't grow buildings. all that does is deny road vehicle use to your competitors (and you)
11:00:23  <peter1139> add more (road) stations
11:00:37  <peter1139> (and use them)
11:00:40  <wakou2> Can't add stns, becuase I am 'Appaling'
11:00:51  <SamanthaD> wakou2: food doesn't cause growth. Food is needed every month for towns above the snow line but what grows towns is passengers and mail!
11:01:14  <SamanthaD> wakou2: a borderline-cheating way to raise your rating is to clear forest and re-plant it!
11:01:16  <peter1139> yeah food just allows it to grow
11:01:28  <SamanthaD> yup
11:01:43  <SamanthaD> you need a little bit of food to allow it to grow but what actually grows the town is passengers and mail!
11:02:08  <SamanthaD> wakou2: what graphic set are you using, by the way?
11:02:15  <wakou2> It has lots of passengers, and regular mail
11:02:31  <wakou2> ?? errmm z-base??
11:02:34  <peter1139> zbase i guess
11:02:38  <SamanthaD> ah, I see
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11:02:47  <SamanthaD> wakou2: is it a town or a city?
11:03:02  <wakou2> 'city' (I think)
11:03:08  <peter1139> meh, £1752.99 for this X230 i specced out :p
11:03:19  <SamanthaD> that's weird, it should almost be growing on its own then...
11:03:19  <peter1139> it says city in the town window
11:03:30  <wakou2> peter1139: Yes
11:03:56  <SamanthaD> wakou2: oh! I can think of one reason. Are you doing something so as to insure that food is delivered EVERY month?
11:04:35  <peter1139> (ah, premium hd is ips... that's another £40 needed)
11:04:38  <wakou2> ? I have put as much food in as I have available.....
11:05:19  <SamanthaD> wakou2: the amount of food isn't important. The important part is that it is regular. What you ought to do is to 'transfer' it to the station and then use trucks to deliver it into the city center.
11:05:20  <wakou2> 7 trains, 260 tonnes of food, full
11:05:56  <wakou2> Hmmm, can't build station to x fer, as I am  appalling
11:06:03  <SamanthaD> wakou2: unless you're using cargodist in which case you should just add a truck that runs on an each-month timetable between the station and the city center
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11:06:19  <SamanthaD> wakou2: demolish the forests and re-plant the trees!
11:06:53  <wakou2> How far from city centre does that work for?
11:07:23  <SamanthaD> I've come to the conclusion that the city councils are a cross between environmentalist hippies and early adopters: they cherish trees but they prefer new ones
11:07:36  <SamanthaD> wakou2: oh, it just needs to service the city
11:07:50  <SamanthaD> your train station is close enough
11:08:13  <SamanthaD> what you're trying to do is ensure that it always has food delivered each month
11:08:33  <SamanthaD> please note that I *HATE* that cities don't stockpile
11:08:37  <SamanthaD> must... patch
11:09:18  <wakou2> It does, about 5 trains per month
11:09:27  <SamanthaD> ah... then it should be fine
11:09:34  <SamanthaD> how many passenger trains/buses per month?
11:10:34  * peter1139 ponders playing this game
11:11:03  <SamanthaD> what game?
11:11:11  <peter1139> this openttd thing
11:11:15  <SamanthaD> haha!
11:11:23  <SamanthaD> yeah, we kinda just sit around here and hang out, don't we?
11:11:43  <SamanthaD> wakou2: how many passenger vehicles per month?
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11:12:16  <Aristide> -12
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11:12:43  <wakou2> Lots, dunno how to get a figure, except by counting manually..
11:13:07  <Aristide> wakou2: Click on train
11:13:35  <wakou2> but the town is served by..5 large trains, all always full
11:13:45  <wakou2> Aristide: and hen?
11:13:50  <wakou2> = then
11:14:06  <Aristide> wakou2: You have many values about train, But I don't know if count of passengers is display xD
11:14:35  <wakou2> each train has 420 passengers
11:14:41  <SamanthaD> Artistide: Yes it is, in the cargoes pane you can see how full each carriage is
11:15:39  <Aristide> SamanthaD: Ok
11:15:49  <Aristide> You can estimate count of passengers
11:16:28  <SamanthaD> Aristide: Also, you can watch it unload going 100% -- 85% -- ect...
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11:17:01  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/bigstn2.png
11:17:12  <wakou2> So I blow up all these trees and replant?
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11:17:16  <SamanthaD> yup!
11:17:23  <wakou2> OK....
11:17:25  <Aristide> ...
11:17:25  <SamanthaD> might want to blow up a couple more while you're at it
11:17:42  <wakou2> If that does not work, I will blow up the town!
11:17:46  <SamanthaD> if you blow up too few all you do is waste money since you just need to blow up more (and blowing up trees annoys them more than planting trees)
11:17:49  <wakou2> (Or bribe?)
11:17:57  <SamanthaD> this way is cheaper and safer
11:18:36  <wakou2> OK, getting the bombs out.. :)
11:22:45  <wakou2> Lols.....
11:23:05  <wakou2> WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!   http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopGV6850.png
11:23:06  <SamanthaD> did it work?
11:23:18  <SamanthaD> I love doing that
11:23:24  <SamanthaD> I feel very... corporate
11:23:44  <SamanthaD> corrupting the local authority AND destroying the environment at the same time!
11:25:22  <wakou2> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/28/plasma-desktopEB6850.png
11:25:31  <wakou2> Yes!! Now rated 'good'
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11:26:55  <SamanthaD> n_n
11:26:57  <SamanthaD> bus time!
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11:30:27  <wakou2> :) three new stations/depots, buses and mail.... Town now growing!
11:30:41  <wakou2> TY Samantha and Aristide!
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11:31:10  <Aristide> SamanthaD: ^^
11:31:16  <Aristide> wakou2: No problemo
11:31:34  <SamanthaD> yay!
11:31:40  <Aristide> :)
11:31:53  <Aristide> I like buses in Lyon
11:32:09  <SamanthaD> I always run buses if, for nothing else, growing towns
11:32:36  <SamanthaD> though... often I have been finding myself making "muni" lines instead
11:32:45  <SamanthaD> little local trains
11:33:07  <Aristide> Train are too expensive in France
11:33:28  <Aristide> For 30km, in bus : 2€, in train : 4€20 ... For same travel
11:33:54  <Aristide> For Lyon > Paris : 76€ x)
11:33:57  <SamanthaD> same here, too
11:34:08  <SamanthaD> I often travel about the US on buses
11:34:09  <Aristide> x)
11:34:29  <SamanthaD> from SF to LA by bus is about 40 bucks, by train its 70
11:34:48  <SamanthaD> also, the train is slower (somehow)
11:34:53  <Aristide> x)
11:35:06  <Aristide> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/2259_Citelis18_920_TCL_Vieux-Lyon.jpg/1024px-2259_Citelis18_920_TCL_Vieux-Lyon.jpg SamanthaD
11:35:11  <SamanthaD> though... it's more comfortable so it's actually worth it *IF* I have the money
11:35:22  <SamanthaD> oh, city buses!
11:35:23  <Aristide> Lyon has bought 80 Citelis 18 at August 21th 2011
11:35:24  <SamanthaD> yeah, those too
11:35:29  <Aristide> :3
11:35:48  <SamanthaD> except we have a couple really cheap local trains here
11:35:57  <Aristide> SamanthaD: "Cars du RhÃŽne" have a good vehicles too
11:35:59  <SamanthaD> SF Bay area
11:36:20  <SamanthaD> though... Caltrain and ACT are *NOT* cheap
11:36:40  <SamanthaD> last time I looked a monthly pass on the Capitol Corridor was almost a hundred bucks
11:36:45  <SamanthaD> or was it more...
11:36:49  * SamanthaD goes to look it up
11:36:51  <Aristide> Mercedes Intouro <3
11:37:04  <Aristide> :o
11:37:19  <peter1139> here this is no competition between buses and trains
11:37:25  <peter1139> -this+there
11:37:29  <Aristide> xD
11:37:44  <peter1139> at the end of the line so trains only go one direction, buses handle the rest
11:39:06  <Aristide> http://tecelyon.info/modules/td-galerie/imgs/20100619214344-1.jpg <3
11:39:11  <SamanthaD> yup... a ten-ride ticket from San Jose to Oakland is a hundred bucks
11:39:15  <SamanthaD> and that's ONE CITY OVER
11:39:22  <SamanthaD> that's an hours drive on the highway
11:40:14  <peter1139> public transport gets stupid when there's more then 1 person travelling in a group anyway
11:40:26  <peter1139> car is always cheaper then
11:40:33  <Aristide> Yes
11:41:04  <Aristide> Many companies can offer reductions when you are 4 or more
11:41:10  <Aristide> But car is cheaper x)
11:41:12  <SamanthaD> San Jose to Fremont is 12 bucks by train. By bus it's 6.
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11:41:29  <Aristide> In Lyon, a simple ticket (1h) cost 1€70
11:41:40  <__ln__> not when the ticket price doesn't increase at all with more persons
11:42:13  <SamanthaD> that being said... there's always freight train ;)
11:42:18  <wakou2> Lols @ un Francais complaining about price of public transport...!
11:42:19  <Aristide> 1€30 when you are 10
11:42:29  <Aristide> 1€30 per personn ...
11:42:41  <Aristide> person*
11:42:43  <wakou2> Come to UK Aristide! Price of train or bus is just ridiculous!
11:42:44  <SamanthaD> freight trains are free!
11:42:54  <Aristide> wakou2: I don't live in UK
11:43:03  <Aristide> I don't know tarifications in other countrys
11:43:11  <Aristide> pricing*
11:43:12  <Aristide> Sorry
11:43:25  <wakou2> In UK, poss 3x price compared to France
11:43:39  <Aristide> oO'
11:43:53  <peter1139> £20 return to london from here isn't that bad
11:44:10  <peter1139> still more expensive than driving and parking, heh
11:44:23  <Aristide> x)
11:44:40  <wakou2> My home to London = 50km and £15/20e
11:44:41  <Aristide> When you buy a ticket in Lyon, you can use TCL's parkings without pay more
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11:45:04  <wakou2> Where are you peter1139?
11:46:46  <peter1139> aylesbury
11:46:57  <peter1139> so ... 80km
11:47:52  <Aristide> So, and information phone number is free
11:49:30  <Aristide> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL1x99sOLQ4 <3
11:49:52  <Aristide> I like this subway line
11:49:59  <Aristide> Rise : 7.50%
11:57:04  <Aristide> Hm ...
11:57:39  <Aristide> Go shower \o/
11:58:14  <SamanthaD> wow... 7.5% that's steep
12:00:56  <Aristide> SamanthaD: Its a old funicular
12:01:33  <Aristide> He was replaced by a subway
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12:15:43  <peter1139> someone is cooking bacon, and it's not me :(
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12:21:48  <andythenorth> does the pathfinder attempt to keep trains out of platforms that are too short?
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12:24:22  <SamanthaD> andythenorth: I'm not sure. A good way to try it would be to build a two platform station with a long-enough platform on the siding and a too-short platform on the main line
12:24:42  <andythenorth> better would be to read the code ;)
12:24:56  <SamanthaD> experimenting is easier than untangling code ;)
12:25:11  <andythenorth> coincidence vs. cause
12:25:19  <SamanthaD> run it many times ;)
12:25:37  <andythenorth> it already looks like train pathfinder prefers a platform of adequate length
12:26:09  <SamanthaD> heh... I suppose that's what you get when you study empirical sciences instead of comp-sci in college ;)
12:29:11  <andythenorth> is it expected that cdist will load cargo back to it's origin point?
12:30:02  <SamanthaD> if the origin point accepts the cargo, then yes, I think
12:30:47  <SamanthaD> I don't know if it's expected but sometimes I build a truck line from an industry to a train station who also has said industry in its catchment area and the truck will haul loads both ways most of the time
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12:32:25  <krinn> hi
12:32:47  <wakou2> krinn:  Good day!
12:33:37  <wakou2> SamanthaD:  and aristide have helped me with my non-growing town.... :)
12:33:55  <NeuhNeuh> please give me 200€Â
12:34:22  <wakou2> Bomb all trees in surrounding area, and replant.... city now loves me :)
12:34:25  <NeuhNeuh> Yeah its raining
12:34:29  <NeuhNeuh> I want to go out <
12:35:15  <krinn> wakou2, and you need someone to tell you that, because you didn't read the wiki, right?
12:35:55  <SamanthaD> wakou2: you're welcome n_n
12:36:33  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a lie...
12:37:38  <NeuhNeuh> No
12:37:41  <NeuhNeuh> Not welcome
12:37:43  <NeuhNeuh> Give me monney
12:37:53  <NeuhNeuh> I want to create a subway station under my house
12:39:46  <SamanthaD> NeuhNeuh: Good god man, WHY?! Have you ever stood over a subway tunnel when a train roars through it?!
12:42:33  <NeuhNeuh> SamanthaD: :3
12:43:39  <Eddi|zuHause> where's TrueBrain when you have a weird teenager?
12:44:19  <NeuhNeuh> I'm not a teenager
12:44:23  <NeuhNeuh> I 22 Years old
12:44:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you are.
12:44:46  <Xaroth|Work> close enough
12:44:55  <Xaroth|Work> it's not physical age that counts, only mental.
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12:45:49  <krinn> be kind with kids :)
12:46:05  <SamanthaD> Xaroth|Work: Apparently judges would disagree ;)
12:47:19  <andythenorth> meh, hit boredom point after 11 game years
12:47:25  <andythenorth> no GS in this game
12:47:32  <SamanthaD> GS?
12:47:37  <andythenorth> game script
12:47:41  <SamanthaD> ah
12:47:48  * andythenorth wanted to learn how cdist worked
12:47:50  <andythenorth> now I know
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12:51:23  <andythenorth> can GS look at the cdist link graph in any useful way?
12:51:50  <andythenorth> I would like a GS that manipulates subsidies to create 'now deliver from A to B' goals
12:52:26  <krinn> no, gsapi have not such functions
12:52:55  <andythenorth> wonder if it can maintain its own linkgraph
12:52:58  <andythenorth> probly not
12:53:40  <krinn> it just cannot know what cargodist is doing, so no
12:53:47  <krinn> you can only know if cargodist is enable or not
12:54:03  <andythenorth> hmm
12:54:28  <andythenorth> I assume subsidy generator already checks if a town is connected, otherwise subsidy would be stupid
12:54:53  <Eddi|zuHause> no, it perfectly well creates subsidies if all towns are connected already
12:56:45  <andythenorth> how fun :)
12:57:12  <andythenorth> cdist is neat, but I miss the 'cargo wants to go here' aspect from YACD
12:57:32  <andythenorth> I don't need it on a per-packet level, a reason to create routes from A to B would be enough
12:58:06  <andythenorth> I also "need" auto-refit for NARS 2 :P
12:58:09  <andythenorth> where is pikka :P
12:59:01  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes, it's possible to implement these connectivity "goals", but it's very inefficient to determine all possible destinations
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13:00:08  <Xaroth|Work> SamanthaD: judges disagree with that
13:00:15  <Xaroth|Work> underage people have been tried as adults
13:00:47  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: because....?
13:01:41  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: just take passengers as example, pretty much every house would be a possible destination
13:01:51  <Eddi|zuHause> and they change often
13:02:06  <andythenorth> use towns for pax
13:02:11  <andythenorth> as per current subsidies
13:02:22  <andythenorth> any station in town is valid
13:02:49  <andythenorth> i.e. goal is met if any station in town has pax delivered (or collected, depends on goal)
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13:05:30  <krinn> well, for subsidy goal is met if any station have a bus visiting it (no pax need, as long as bus try loading) if remember well
13:05:32  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but then consider that houses could accept arbitrary cargos as well
13:05:57  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: i don't think that is right
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13:06:17  <krinn> i may not remember well :)
13:06:23  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: subsidies are awarded for the first cargo packet actually delivered
13:07:03  <andythenorth> hmm
13:07:35  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: and acceptance can change arbitrarily....
13:07:47  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: think of ECS gas stations
13:08:05  <Eddi|zuHause> which pop up and disappear all the time
13:08:06  <andythenorth> so is current subsidy system actually broken?
13:08:26  <Eddi|zuHause> and you need actually two stations to accept anything
13:08:51  <George> Eddi|zuHause: which pop up and disappear all the time -> the last one has not to disappear. It is coded
13:08:55  <Eddi|zuHause> the current subsidy model is "insufficient", not "broken"
13:09:29  <Eddi|zuHause> George: ok, but you still need two to accept stuff
13:10:04  <Eddi|zuHause> George: i mean the ECS houses
13:10:22  <Eddi|zuHause> (or TTRS)
13:11:09  <George> AFIAR in ECS Houses that was fixed
13:11:59  <Eddi|zuHause> well i have not tested in a while. and the point is not actually that it does that, but that it is possible to do that
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13:12:43  <andythenorth> hmm
13:12:48  <Eddi|zuHause> so "find all possible destinations of a cargo on the map" is tricky
13:12:57  <andythenorth> the idea seems to be stuck whilst GS doesn't have total control
13:13:05  <George> in ECS houses 1.1.2 petrol station accepts petrol even when it is alone
13:13:09  <andythenorth> we really have to get rid of newgrf :P
13:14:03  <George> BTW anyone has any idea when CF would be fixed?
13:14:26  <Eddi|zuHause> what is broken?
13:14:43  <George> Compile factoy of devzone
13:14:52  <Eddi|zuHause> or still the same issue from a few days ago?
13:14:57  <George> Yes
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13:31:35  <Guest1442> Hmm
13:31:44  <LordAro> hmm indeed
13:31:59  <Guest1442> "Transport all cargos" gs?
13:32:01  <LordAro> irc topic is outdated btw :P
13:32:04  <Guest1442> Simple
13:32:19  <Guest1442> X amount per quarter
13:34:17  <Guest1442> That would give 5-8 hours gameplay for sane values of X
13:36:34  <Guest1442> An *insanely hard* GS would be "expedite" - nocargoal with limit on maximum amount waiting at any station
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13:48:43  <LordAro> oh, good. it seems my new graphics card is too new for the normal driver...
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14:00:04  <SamanthaD> LordAro: For OpenTTD?!
14:11:47  <LordAro> haven't tried that, but currently the UI is quite laggy :(
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14:22:49  <LordAro> hmm, have to try to get the catalyst driver working instead
14:23:53  * krinn would have put all his bets on ATI : non working driver with a video card -> ATI !
14:28:13  <LordAro> ?
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14:36:57  <peter1139> herp derp, icu can't do kerning or what?
15:03:27  * dihedral is home :-)
15:06:12  <SpComb> ttf meet is still going!
15:19:01  <jonty-comp> how dare it
15:25:34  <SamanthaD> ttf?
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15:31:35  <LordAro> now that seems a bit better
15:36:22  <dihedral> ttf?
15:38:01  <LordAro> of sorts
15:41:46  <LordAro> got minecraft running anyway :)
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16:13:10  <planetmaker> o/
16:13:30  <Tom_Soft> \o,
16:13:37  <LordAro> o-
16:13:45  <SamanthaD> \o/
16:14:09  <SamanthaD> o/ \o/ \o   <-- like that
16:14:17  <SamanthaD> I dunno what LordAro is up to though :p
16:15:23  <Tom_Soft> Hello from Russia)
16:15:52  <SamanthaD> Hello from California!
16:17:09  <Tom_Soft> USA)
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16:18:54  <LordAro> assuming your question mark "?" is broken, yes, California is in USA
16:19:13  <TWerkhoven> theres a california in scotland too
16:19:22  <SamanthaD> I did not know that!
16:19:25  <SamanthaD> yes, the American one
16:19:29  <LordAro> although, it may actually be meant to be an explnation point "!"
16:19:47  <TWerkhoven> its a tiny town
16:19:53  <LordAro> In my experience, very few American place names are original though :)
16:19:55  <SamanthaD> I like calling "!" a "bang"
16:19:59  <TWerkhoven> true
16:20:18  <SamanthaD> Just once I want to found a new town. I'm going to call it "Very New York"
16:20:59  <Markk> Nieuw Nieuw Amsterdam
16:21:18  <Markk> You could call it.
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16:21:37  <peter1139> ! is called pling
16:21:43  <peter1139> at least, if you used risc os
16:21:56  <Markk> I wouldn't want to risc that.
16:22:11  <Markk> eh-he-he
16:22:32  <SamanthaD> why would they name an operating system after a microprocessor philosophy?!
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16:23:31  <LordAro> because it runs on those processors?
16:23:58  <Markk> "RISC OS was specifically designed to run on the ARM chipset, which Acorn had designed concurrently, for use in its new line of Archimedes personal computers. It takes its name from the RISC (reduced instruction set computing) architecture supported."
16:24:14  <SamanthaD> yup, I was just reading that
16:24:21  <peter1139> that's a what, not a why
16:24:42  <SamanthaD> those were the days, when they targeted software at specific archs
16:24:58  <SamanthaD> I say "those were the days" and then look wryly at Apple ;)
16:25:06  <Markk> My guess: It was the coders who came up with the name, and coders aren't really famous for their fantasy.
16:25:42  <SamanthaD> I'll bet it's full of assembler
16:25:48  <SamanthaD> who the heck writes RISC assembler?!
16:26:10  <peter1139> those were the days when they wrote software in assembly
16:26:12  <SamanthaD> "We're paid by the number of lines of code"
16:26:29  <peter1139> back when 1MB ram was a fuckton
16:26:36  <Markk> SamanthaD: Apple uses Intel CPUs today.
16:26:56  <SamanthaD> Markk: Yes, but they still DRM their software so it won't run on non-branded hardware
16:27:21  <SamanthaD> Markk: It's not what it runs on, it's whether or not it's written in a portable language, which OSX is.
16:27:41  <SamanthaD> at least I'm pretty sure it doesn't contain code in a lower level than C
16:27:49  <Markk> That's true, but it's possible to run it on a normal PC as well.
16:28:28  <Markk> ...if you for some reason really want to.
16:28:44  <LordAro> SamanthaD: i'd be extremely surprised if there was no assembly code anywhere in OSX
16:28:52  <SamanthaD> it always amazes me the length that some people go through sometimes...
16:29:26  <SamanthaD> LordAro: I doubt it... it runs on a Mach kernel which IIRC is 100% portable
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16:29:48  <LordAro> but anywhere at all? in a whole OS?
16:29:52  <Markk> SamanthaD: I could understand if someone does it just for the hell of it, but not if someone actually want to be able to use it on a day-to-day basis.
16:29:54  <SamanthaD> I suppose...
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16:30:13  <LordAro> check the unix kernel(?) which OSX is based on, i bet that has some in it somewhere
16:30:20  <Xaroth|Work> bsd
16:30:24  <Markk> FreeBSD
16:30:34  <Markk> But yes, Unix-like.
16:30:36  <SamanthaD> Mach, not FreeBSD
16:30:45  <Markk> OSX is based on FreeBSD.
16:30:52  <SamanthaD> Yes, but not the kernel
16:30:59  <Markk> BSD is the kernel.
16:31:09  <Markk> Oh
16:31:11  <SamanthaD> BSD is the kernel plus a tonne of other supporting softwares
16:31:12  <peter1139> la la la
16:31:42  <peter1139> but yes, the predecessor of risc os, called arthur, was written in bbc basic
16:31:53  <peter1139> (which was written in assembly of course)
16:32:13  <SamanthaD> ah, BASIC
16:32:18  <SamanthaD> I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
16:32:20  <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: you kicked everybody out yet?
16:32:34  <peter1139> portable code isn't a concern when you need to eke out every bit of performance possibly
16:32:43  <peter1139> *possible
16:33:06  <planetmaker> yeah, I just kicked fonso out last
16:33:12  <Xaroth|Work> how was it?
16:33:19  <planetmaker> great, I think :-)
16:33:53  <planetmaker> good to see all the faces again and some new :-)
16:34:07  <planetmaker> only problem: they were not hungry enough
16:34:25  <peter1139> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/a.png
16:34:25  <peter1139> or
16:34:27  <Xaroth|Work> so you have enough food for the next 3 months? :P
16:34:27  <peter1139> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/b.png
16:34:34  <planetmaker> kinda
16:34:45  <Xaroth|Work> a
16:34:47  <Xaroth|Work> BUT
16:34:53  <Xaroth|Work> i miss a random option
16:35:13  <planetmaker> I prefer b :D
16:35:23  <Xaroth|Work> in b multiplayer is less readable
16:35:39  <Xaroth|Work> and 'settings'
16:35:54  <Xaroth|Work> ie, 2 small letters next to eachother
16:35:58  <planetmaker> true
16:36:11  <Xaroth|Work> (editor, settings, multiplayer, online, etc)
16:36:28  <Markk> I prefer a.
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16:37:07  <Xaroth|Work> what would be even better; a 'random' option where you can select random from what
16:37:31  <peter1139> ?
16:37:43  <Xaroth|Work> for the terrain type
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16:44:21  <peter1139> oh
16:46:39  <Xaroth|Work> then again, a random option for various options would be nice to have
16:47:38  <LordAro> i have a feeling that has been suggested before :L
16:47:54  <LordAro> in fact, i may even remember a patch for it...maybe
16:48:02  <Xaroth|Work> i'm pretty sure peter1139 has a patch for it
16:51:20  <peter1139> doubt it
16:52:42  <Xaroth|Work> impossibru
16:52:54  * V453000 iz home
16:53:22  <Markk> Is it possible to make a timetable or order for a train so that the train only stops at a specific station if there's still room for more passengers or goods?
16:53:58  <V453000> +-
16:54:02  <Markk> Otherwise just pass the station to the next one.
16:54:03  <V453000> yes
16:54:22  <Markk> How do you do that? :)
16:54:41  <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Self-regulating_Network
16:54:50  <V453000> various options
16:55:48  <dihedral> looks like some people are back home and have nothing better to do :-P
16:56:39  <V453000> half true :P
16:56:56  <dihedral> but i must say, it was a real pleasure meeting you guys :-)
16:56:59  <planetmaker> some people probably are. One person though will be home and missing a blue towel
16:57:10  <V453000> :D
16:57:17  <dihedral> lol
16:57:18  <V453000> twas awesome :)
16:57:41  <planetmaker> that person who misses the towel is not me, btw :D
16:57:50  <dihedral> me neither
16:58:14  <planetmaker> I suspect it to be from one of the guys who stayed over night here... found it on the balcony over a chair
16:58:29  <V453000> I did not even bring towel, so ... :)
16:58:52  <dihedral> yumm...
17:01:03  <Markk> V453000: There it is! I've seen the conditional order before, but that was in a same game I downloaded, so I had no idea on how to find it, thanks mate!
17:04:56  <V453000> yw :)
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17:06:33  <Alberth> \o
17:06:36  <peter1139> so
17:06:37  <V453000> o/
17:06:51  <planetmaker> \o/
17:06:54  <LordAro> \o
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17:13:29  <dihedral> Alberth, :-)
17:13:39  <LordAro> so when do we get to see the pictures from your party? :)
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17:15:41  <Alberth> they are all in my head, but I need that device, so I cannot borrow it to you
17:15:45  <dihedral> where do you want the video of the commit :-P
17:17:05  <planetmaker> right... I magically decided to not put down the tent now... a downpour just started :D
17:18:02  <dihedral> :-P
17:18:12  <LordAro> Alberth: it's not that important, is it? :P
17:18:13  <dihedral> it hit me while i was still on the road
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17:19:52  <Xaroth|Work> it lives
17:20:28  <Alberth> LordAro: indeed, pictures are meaningless, you had to be there to understand the meaning
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17:21:24  <LordAro> Alberth: i was talking about the 'device', but sure :P
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17:30:04  * Alberth disagrees, my head is very important to me!
17:40:23  <LordAro> still waiting for 1.3.2 release announcement, btw :P
17:40:51  <dihedral> aye - i thought the same :-D
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17:45:20  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25633 trunk/src/lang/estonian.txt (2013-07-28 17:45:12 UTC)
17:45:21  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:22  <DorpsGek> estonian - 147 changes by KSiimson
17:55:33  <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=67170  to all that are waiting but forgot to write release notes
17:57:54  <LordAro> now openttd.org :P
18:03:26  <dihedral> don't rush him - he had a busy weekend :-P
18:06:12  <Alberth> I just finished reading the forum :)
18:09:14  <planetmaker> LordAro, he did that already over 24h ago ;-)
18:09:37  <LordAro> haxors!
18:09:57  <LordAro> sorry, h4x0rs!*
18:13:20  <dihedral> lol
18:13:34  <dihedral> LordAro, nah you just forgot to clear your browsers cache :-D
18:14:15  <LordAro> oh, cache persists across different OS's and harddrives, does it? :P
18:16:38  <dihedral> are you using a proxy?
18:16:42  <dihedral> :-P
18:17:03  <planetmaker> LordAro, yes, definitely
18:17:17  <LordAro> :D :P
18:17:33  <LordAro> arch is fine btw, since you asked :)
18:17:58  <Alberth> I wouldn't trust it, since it already fooled you for 24 hours!
18:18:08  <dihedral> LordAro, you must have a strange setup, but nobody here can be made responsible for obvious client side issues :-P
18:18:37  <LordAro> :P
18:18:50  <LordAro> oh, and you forgot the irc topic as well :)
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18:19:04  <TrueBrain> so much complaining!
18:19:32  <TrueBrain> @whoami
18:19:32  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
18:19:34  * dihedral will bite on his tongue, before mentioning goldfish in the channel :-P
18:19:34  <dihedral> ops
18:19:38  <TrueBrain> @mode +q ~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com
18:19:41  *** mode/#openttd [+q *!~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] by DorpsGek
18:19:43  <TrueBrain> hihihihihihhihihihi
18:19:48  <dihedral> hello TrueBrain looks like you have arrived safly
18:19:52  <TrueBrain> they learnt me this on the meet!
18:19:59  <V453000> omfg he did
18:19:59  <TrueBrain> @mode -q ~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com
18:20:02  *** mode/#openttd [-q *!~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] by DorpsGek
18:20:03  <Xaroth|Work> you didn't know -q?
18:20:04  <TrueBrain> its not nice :P
18:20:09  <dihedral> i knew it would happen soon, but i did not know how soon :-D
18:20:13  <LordAro> D:
18:20:18  <TrueBrain> you expected it on yourself dih
18:20:23  <dihedral> nah
18:20:23  <TrueBrain> that is where the surprise came from
18:20:45  <dihedral> i expected it on some fake muxy or yorick or luukland or peter_t
18:20:47  <dihedral> :-P
18:21:13  <TrueBrain> @op
18:21:17  *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
18:21:33  *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
18:21:36  <TrueBrain> @deop
18:21:39  *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
18:21:44  <TrueBrain> \o/ I was useful \o/
18:21:48  <LordAro> :O
18:21:51  <dihedral> the @topic command would have done the trick :-D
18:21:51  <TrueBrain> *hybernation activated*
18:21:57  <dihedral> lol
18:22:03  <TrueBrain> I hear also great things about the @kick command
18:22:10  <V453000> @@kickme
18:22:11  <dihedral> :-D
18:22:13  <V453000> @kickme
18:22:15  <V453000> asdf
18:22:21  <TrueBrain> it doesnt know you :P
18:22:33  <V453000> it must pay the ultimate price
18:22:34  <dihedral> @whoami
18:22:34  <DorpsGek> dihedral: I don't recognize you.
18:22:37  <dihedral> pfft
18:22:38  <V453000> @whoami
18:22:39  <DorpsGek> V453000: I don't recognize you.
18:22:39  <Alberth> it lufs you too much
18:22:41  <dihedral> i used to be authed
18:22:59  <dihedral> it's always the same with them - in public: full denial
18:23:19  <V453000> screw you DorpsGek
18:23:32  <V453000> hey it doesnt reply "invalid command" like webster would :(
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18:30:45  <dihedral> V<tab> - that's what you can do with configuration ;-)
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18:38:47  <V453000> asdf :)
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18:40:46  <andythenorth> o/
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18:46:28  <Alberth> o/
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18:52:43  <dihedral> TrueBrain, ... payloadify? :-D     http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2441/
18:52:59  <dihedral> just to make you happy
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18:59:19  <Xaroth|Work> \o/
19:01:17  <Zuu_> Not home yet, but the only really cold moment was when entering öresundståget with an AC tuned far too low.
19:03:08  <Zuu_> But at least the train has plenty of seats :) Not something one could say about Ice from Hamburg to Copenhagen.
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19:07:39  <andythenorth> Zuu_: is there anything in GS to look at an accepted cargos for a secondary industry, and then find sources for those cargos (with distance etc?)
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19:08:05  <andythenorth> oh he gone :P
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19:09:20  <Eddi|zuHause> if you restrict "sources" to "industries" it's easier
19:09:28  <dihedral> easter?
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19:10:17  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that's a sensible restriction
19:11:16  <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have to do special cases for passengers, mail, tourists, workers, ... any future crazy idea that NewGRF authors will have
19:12:45  <andythenorth> meh
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19:13:17  <Zuu_> A gs can get he industry type of an industry in the game. Using industry type you can get acess to he same data as available in the idustry type graph.
19:13:41  <andythenorth> when are we removing the 'GS must be generic wrt newgrf' design goal? :P
19:14:21  * andythenorth wants to write a GS that requires FIRS, with specific params
19:14:34  <andythenorth> valid for specific range of versions of the grf
19:14:51  <andythenorth> ho, would even generate it from the same codebase :P
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19:17:30  <Zuu_> You can put that demand in the bananas info text, gs descripion and as an dialog in th gam to users who decide to us the gs in unallowed conditions.
19:18:22  <Zuu_> Hmm my 'e' seems broken :)
19:18:39  <dihedral> your 't' as well :-P
19:18:47  <Alberth> only before a ' ' :p
19:22:10  <andythenorth> GS: "Job Security"
19:22:17  <andythenorth> every 2 years a new challenge
19:22:24  <andythenorth> fail the challenge, you get fired
19:22:36  <andythenorth> v1 we just stop the game when you get fired
19:22:45  <andythenorth> v2, maybe you can try a new company :P
19:24:11  <Alberth> lol, I was thinking in the same lines, have a sequence of goals, so you cannot prepare for the next one during getting the first goal
19:24:34  <Alberth> in factm the script could change the 2nd goal to ensure that won't happen :p
19:24:51  <Alberth> s/m /m/
19:26:09  <andythenorth> brb food
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19:38:03  <__ln__> btw, there really was a queer parade in bs on saturday
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19:54:46  <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5660 <- is that a woman?
19:55:17  <dihedral> quote "I love you all very much"
19:57:58  <planetmaker> it's not a woman's name
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19:59:04  <dihedral> names do not mean much on the internet :-P
19:59:51  <__ln__> a russian woman's last name would end in -a.
20:00:04  <planetmaker> right now my bed means more to me than any name and it's gender in the internet ;-) bon nuit
20:00:24  <andythenorth> :)
20:00:26  <Zuu> planetmaker: are you also tired? :-)
20:00:35  <planetmaker> quite :-)
20:00:38  <dihedral> sleep well honey :-D
20:00:39  * Zuu just got home
20:00:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i have already slept a few hours :)
20:00:48  <dihedral> oh wow, Zuu - that must have been a trip
20:00:50  <planetmaker> :-) do you miss a towel? :D
20:00:52  <Zuu> Quite tired
20:00:55  <dihedral> lol
20:01:05  <planetmaker> blue?
20:01:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i quite certainly don't miss a towel
20:01:12  <Zuu> planetmaker: does it has light blue stripes?
20:01:37  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I do miss a bag with a few beers and some quiche :(
20:01:48  <dihedral> Rubidium, :-D
20:02:04  <Eddi|zuHause> more food for planetmaker :)
20:02:12  <planetmaker> Zuu, well... it has some somewhat ligher spots... but stripes? Not really
20:02:13  <Rubidium> no clue where I left it, but I had it with me when walking out of the building
20:02:23  <planetmaker> Rubidium, you left it on the chair I sit in now
20:02:39  <planetmaker> I wondered whether you did that on purpose as I forced the quiche into it
20:02:40  <Zuu> dihedral: Yeah, and I was unable to reserve a seat for any part of the trip. But could still sit down on all parts despite eg. Hamburg-Copenhagen being sold two departures ahead.
20:02:44  <dihedral> Rubidium, on top of the car perhaps?
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20:03:10  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I totally forgot; was looking through the car here to find it, but couldn't find it
20:03:14  <Zuu> planetmaker: I beleive i did bring my towel home, and you should have seen the stripes if it was my towel.
20:03:24  <planetmaker> :-( @ Rubidium
20:03:41  <planetmaker> Right, then someone else might complain... my bet is on fonso actually
20:03:41  <dihedral> planetmaker, only a few more people to ask then
20:03:45  <andythenorth> hmm
20:04:02  <andythenorth> auto refit has a chicken-egg problem
20:04:02  <planetmaker> or belugas. dunno :-)
20:04:06  <Zuu> planetmaker: Did you check with fonsinchen yet?
20:04:10  <planetmaker> no
20:04:19  <planetmaker> wasn't here since he left at ~18h
20:04:38  <Zuu> I saw him with a towel in the moring.
20:04:40  <dihedral> planetmaker, if it was Belugas, you could make an auktion in ttf
20:04:47  <planetmaker> lol
20:05:41  <dihedral> if it was Rubidium, perhaps there some people who want a used towel from a dictator, but i know a bunch of people who definately do not want it :-D
20:06:18  <Rubidium> dihedral: I just saw my towel
20:07:35  <andythenorth> hmm
20:07:43  <andythenorth> how do I clear auto-refit from an order? :o
20:07:48  <andythenorth> delete and recreate order?
20:08:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i would have assumed there to be a dropdown
20:08:58  <andythenorth> not
20:09:11  <andythenorth> there is some combination of setting 'no unloading' and 'no loading' that causes it to clear
20:09:15  <andythenorth> haven't figured it out yet
20:09:58  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-23468903
20:10:15  <andythenorth> set no unloading, then no loading, then unload if accepted, then load if available
20:10:23  <andythenorth> I guess that's in the wiki somewhere?
20:10:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't used autorefit yet
20:11:23  <andythenorth> I am testing it in Squid
20:11:29  <andythenorth> dunno if it works really
20:11:35  <andythenorth> too many issues
20:12:41  <andythenorth> hmm
20:12:54  <andythenorth> 'no loading' is sufficient to clear auto-refit order
20:12:58  <dihedral> Rubidium, lucky you :-)
20:13:04  <dihedral> is Belugas still with you?
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20:21:58  <andythenorth> how do I build a water airport?
20:22:01  <andythenorth> pikka has seaplanes
20:22:40  <dihedral> heh
20:22:58  <dihedral> perhaps they function like hover crafts
20:25:58  <V453000> or hover cats
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20:34:10  <andythenorth> buses are rubbish for cdist
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20:38:29  <dihedral> busses are rubbish. :-P
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20:50:36  <NGC3982> Evening.
20:54:13  <andythenorth> hmm
20:54:21  <andythenorth> my timetabled ships keep clustering
20:56:13  <andythenorth> figured it out :P
21:00:11  <dihedral> nn
21:01:32  <Zuu> andythenorth: I think that the airport bransch/queue had water airports.
21:01:42  <andythenorth> I think there's a grf for it somewhere
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21:11:30  <fonsinchen> The towel is mine. You can keep it. It has been used as saddle for the unicorn, though.
21:14:00  <andythenorth> bye
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21:18:20  <TWerkhoven> xaroth?
21:27:36  <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: ?
21:28:10  <TWerkhoven> found a bug in libottdadmin2
21:28:31  <TWerkhoven> a fix too
21:28:49  <Xaroth|Work> put it up on github :)
21:28:57  <Xaroth|Work> and good that people use it \o/
21:29:31  <TWerkhoven> well, getting there anyway
21:29:41  <Xaroth|Work> what's the bug
21:29:44  <TWerkhoven> right now it just dumps anything it receives into the console
21:30:13  <TWerkhoven> packets/server.py, line 129
21:30:16  <TWerkhoven> format should be self.format
21:33:21  <Xaroth|Work> good find
21:33:40  <TWerkhoven> :)
21:34:10  <Xaroth|Work> fixed, pushed.
21:38:05  <TWerkhoven> :D
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