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:p 09:19:16 <dihedral> pfft 09:19:54 <peter1139> anyone still using a win9x machine? o_O 09:20:15 <frosch123> it's also recommended for xp < sp3 09:20:22 <frosch123> or something like that 09:20:50 <peter1139> no excuse for not installing service packs :S 09:20:56 <Xaroth|Work> I haven't touched a 9X machine in a LONG time 09:21:52 <frosch123> hmm, i think i still have a 2000 vm from the last time the 9x build just failed 09:23:50 <dihedral> winxp is eol 09:23:57 <dihedral> so who should care :-P 09:24:18 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:26 <wakou2> Good day Otters 09:25:28 <peter1139> 2000 shouldn't need 9x 09:25:33 <peter1139> but who knows 09:25:49 <wakou2> quick Q, how can I remove a sign? 09:26:01 <Zuu> wakou2: If it's your own, ctrl+click on it 09:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> or just remove all text 09:26:47 <Zuu> If it belongs to anyone else, it is also possible to remove it, but in that case you need to click on the sign to open the sign window. 09:27:25 <Zuu> If there are a lot of signs from other companies that you don't want to see, disable "show competitor signs" instead. 09:27:26 <frosch123> "Welcome to the OpenTTD 1.3.2 32-bit for Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000 and XP without SP3 Setup Wizard" <- wow, what a wizard! 09:27:44 <wakou2> OK ty... (I'm obv not awake yet!) 09:27:57 <planetmaker> wizards... old wizards. They die hard ;-) 09:28:07 <Zuu> A removed sign is removed for all other players too, so only do that if you think that your competitors would be okay with it. 09:29:13 <blathijs> dihedral: XP isn't EOL until next year, right? 09:29:23 <planetmaker> roughly yes 09:29:45 <planetmaker> 09:29:45 <planetmaker> April 8, 2014 09:30:03 <wakou2> Zuu... hmm does not work? ctrl-click... 09:30:14 <frosch123> anyway, confirmed, win9x build is completely borked 09:30:22 <frosch123> and noone noticed during rc :p 09:30:23 <planetmaker> ohu 09:30:27 <planetmaker> :-) 09:30:42 <frosch123> actualy, let's see whether 1.3.1 worked 09:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember getting a "success" notice about that a few days ago 09:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure though 09:31:38 <wakou2> Zuu Ok got it now, was ctrl clicking the square, not the sign. 09:32:18 <Zuu> ok 09:33:22 <frosch123> no, 1.3.1 fails as well at least :) 09:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 09:37:18 <Xaroth|Work> frosch123: so nobody has used ottd on 9X in how long? :P 09:38:09 <frosch123> 1.2.3 fails as well 09:38:22 <frosch123> i am going to check since when it fails, and then suggest to drop support 09:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of "fail"? 09:39:10 <blathijs> frosch123: There's also the option that there is something wrong with your test system, if all these builds look broken to you 09:40:00 <frosch123> blathijs: i am not the original reporter :) 09:40:47 <blathijs> Still... :-) 09:41:03 <blathijs> But it does seem unlikely that a change in Windows broke OpenTTD, that's true ;-p 09:41:06 <frosch123> hmm, yeah, 1.1.5 fails as well, starts to get weird 09:42:10 <frosch123> oh, i should test 1.2.1 apparently 09:42:19 <frosch123> fs#5250 says we fixed it there :p 09:42:48 <Xaroth|Work> to then break it again? :P 09:43:58 <wakou2> So, guys whilst you were all offf at the wildest party since woodstock, I encountered a problem in a game....... It is not the first time I had hit this wall, and it is extremley frustrating. 09:45:01 <wakou2> With the help of some people on here, SamanthaD, Krinn and Aristide, I got it fixed, and would like to add this little tip to the wiki.... 09:46:13 <wakou2> But first would like to ask a few noob type Q's just so I don't go ahead and write some nonsense on the wiki page (manual).... 09:46:25 <wakou2> That OK with you folks? 09:46:32 <Xaroth|Work> don't ask to ask 09:46:33 <Xaroth|Work> just ask 09:47:29 <wakou2> :) 09:49:21 <wakou2> OK Is there any way to show Local Authority ratings in a more granular way? ie when you just have 'appaling' with no figure or percentage, it is difficult to know whether your comapny is making any progress... 09:49:56 <wakou2> ....towards being able to build again etc.. 09:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's all you get 09:52:29 <wakou2> Eddi|zuHause: Honestly I think this would be a genuine improvement, and easy surely for coders types to implement, so it show as for instance "very poor (19%)" so that the player knows he only has a little way to go to become "mediocre" for example... 09:52:57 <wakou2> (I obv don't know the numbers, but this just an example) 09:54:41 <wakou2> Secondly, when planting trees, does the DENSITY of tree cover matter to LA approval ratings? ie you can plant tress on a square four times, but is it only the first time that improves the rating? 09:55:07 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no, only the first tree on the tile 09:55:52 <wakou2> Third, (I guess I know this, but just to be sure) Only squares 'belonging' a LA affect the company rating? 09:56:28 <Eddi|zuHause> very likely, but i don't know that myself 09:57:50 <wakou2> And that boundary of LA ownership how is it calculated? Distance from centre combined somehow with population? 09:58:14 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea. it's probably fixed 09:58:28 *** jamesgo_ [~james@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:32 *** jamesgo [~james@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:00:45 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:49 <frosch123> ok, no idea what is borked about 2000, but luckily i also had a 98 vm 10:02:57 <frosch123> there at least 1.3.1 worked :) 10:06:21 <dihedral> lol 10:07:49 *** fjb_phone [~fjb@89.204.137.216] has joined #openttd 10:07:52 *** fjb_phone [~fjb@89.204.137.216] has quit [] 10:10:47 *** fjb_phone [~fjb@89.204.137.216] has joined #openttd 10:11:41 <fjb_phone> Moin 10:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you know that your phone connection sometimes breaks horribly, constantly rejoining? 10:20:02 <wakou2> I found a little buglet in the wiki ottd.org sign-up page. The dialogue boxes are labelled in Japanese. Whom should tell about this?... 10:20:06 <wakou2> http://account.openttd.org/en/signup 10:20:57 <Zuu> It has been reported on the forum in the problems section. No idea if anyone has reported it to bugs.openttd.org though. 10:21:20 <wakou2> Zuu: Ok ty 10:25:28 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:17 <planetmaker> hi fjb_phone 10:31:46 <frosch123> planetmaker: was the japanese thing actually reproducible at your site when we/tb tried? 10:31:56 <frosch123> because it currently happens for me :o 10:32:09 <planetmaker> sorry... what japanese thing? 10:32:29 <frosch123> ottd signup page not using english text, but some unknown asian script 10:32:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it was 10:32:50 <planetmaker> ah, TB created this on my machine. But I didn't watch how he did it. I just saw it on my screen here 10:33:14 <frosch123> ok, so it's at least not completely random :) 10:33:23 <frosch123> though stilly completely weird :p 10:33:31 <planetmaker> I think it's perfectly reproducable from what I recall TB arguing 10:33:52 <planetmaker> he'll be able to give you the exact steps, TrueBrain 10:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there were no steps involved, just logout and go to the signup page 10:35:32 <planetmaker> indeed 10:36:58 <fjb_phone> Eddi|zuHause: I know, just had to set it up the right way. 10:41:12 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.197.215] has joined #openttd 10:53:35 <wakou2> frosch123: a screenshot any help to you? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/29/signuppage.png 11:12:43 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.197.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:14 *** krinn [~krinn@76.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:33 <krinn> hi 11:31:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.181.137.69] has joined #openttd 11:32:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:35:06 <wakou2> krinn: Hi 11:35:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:46 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.181.137.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 11:44:22 <wakou2> Eddi|zuHause: Are you the same Eddi who just replied to my post on the forum, re LA ratings suggestion? 11:44:46 <Xaroth|Work> two Eddis? the thought alone should scare many a child. 11:44:53 <wakou2> :) 11:50:01 <Alberth> moin 11:52:03 <wakou2> Alberth: Hi 11:53:00 <fjb_phone> Moin Alberth 11:55:04 <Alberth> hi hi 12:09:46 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 12:15:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.181.137.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:17 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 12:20:05 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:39 <krinn> if i open a sub project in one of my AI, can i get it move to another category later ? (tired to wait hosting answer @devzone) 12:31:24 <Alberth> planetmaker: ^^ 12:32:04 <Alberth> krinn: you picked a wrong weekend for requesting changes :) 12:32:23 <krinn> :D seems 12:33:03 <krinn> it's also one with storms for me, hence i don't feel safe 12:42:21 <planetmaker> the category can be changed (and is mostly pointless and only for looks and convenience as it only affects sorting in the DevZone's project list) 12:42:45 <planetmaker> the URL of it can't change, though 12:43:38 <planetmaker> uh, you're wormnest? 12:43:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 12:43:51 <andythenorth> moin 12:43:53 <krinn> me ? 12:43:56 <planetmaker> hm, no 12:44:18 <planetmaker> why did you assign the issue to yourself when applying for a project? 12:44:48 <krinn> well, i think it was to tell if i would be able to update... it 12:45:04 <planetmaker> assignment means that you'll resolve the issue. Thus create it yourself :-) 12:45:23 <planetmaker> it's assigned to whomever needs to take action next ;-) 12:45:49 <krinn> :) could die waiting there, why my name is list if i cannot take the action ? 12:46:11 <planetmaker> you can assign it to anyone, I guess 12:46:21 <Alberth> hi hi andythenorth, planetmaker 12:46:25 <krinn> checking, but list was short 12:46:29 <planetmaker> hello Alberth :-) 12:46:35 <planetmaker> and hi andythenorth 12:47:35 <krinn> yeah short list : 8 people including me 12:47:37 <planetmaker> krinn, why cEngine? 12:47:51 <planetmaker> I mean the name, what does the c stand for? 12:48:02 <planetmaker> lib URL usually go ailib-XXX 12:48:07 <planetmaker> what should XXX be in your case? 12:48:10 <krinn> class, i've just keep the original name i use in my ai 12:48:31 <andythenorth> wrt to GS, I was considering that there might be use for a lib that can handle common goals 12:48:43 <krinn> c for class that handle engine = c+engine 12:49:11 <andythenorth> e.g. nocargoal (transport x amount), connect 2 cities goal, build industries goal, supply an industry with x amount input goal etc 12:49:16 <planetmaker> ok. And what shall I chose as XXX now? :-) cengine or engine? or? 12:49:35 <Alberth> krinn: all squirrel code are classes :p 12:49:42 <krinn> :) Alberth 12:49:44 <andythenorth> then GS could use these goals from the library for a bigger GS - for example, SV, or JobSecurity 12:49:51 <krinn> ailib-cenginelib ? 12:49:57 <andythenorth> Zuu: ^^ 12:50:01 <planetmaker> twice lib? 12:50:20 <krinn> name is just for commit ? 12:50:33 <Alberth> krinn: nope, it's used all over teh place 12:50:43 <planetmaker> It's the repo URL and path like http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ailib-list/repository 12:51:12 <planetmaker> it's the dir name basically I create 12:51:13 <Alberth> krinn: why not make it part of the ailib? 12:51:22 <planetmaker> it's an ailib... 12:51:54 <Alberth> oh, ailib is the umbrella name of course. Sorry 12:52:07 <krinn> it's an ailib, name cEngineLib because i was thinking EngineLib was a bit pretentieux (let me google that) 12:52:30 <planetmaker> ailib-cengine then 12:53:08 <krinn> ok 12:53:14 <Alberth> andythenorth: +1 on a GSlib :) 12:53:33 <andythenorth> for me, the entry point to a GS is quite high 12:53:35 <planetmaker> andythenorth, yes, I (meanwhile) think that'll be useful. Dunno really why it doesn't exist 12:53:44 <andythenorth> meanwhile I'm not a good programmer, but I get stuff done 12:54:08 <andythenorth> but still, I have to learn too much for a GS, it's a barrier to me starting 12:54:32 <Alberth> andythenorth: so don't start with a library, just write a GS 12:54:45 <Alberth> where perhaps one class does "common stuff" 12:54:55 <andythenorth> I don't want to write a library at all :) 12:54:59 <andythenorth> I want to consume the library 12:55:23 <Alberth> steal the code of nocargoal / silicon valley :) 12:55:25 <frosch123> damn, are you also as mosquito bites as i am? everything is itching :p 12:55:46 <andythenorth> try anti-histamines 12:55:48 <andythenorth> or such 12:55:50 <krinn> tiger one frosch123 ? 12:56:39 <Alberth> frosch123: I also have itching spots all over my arms :( 12:58:00 <krinn> thank you planetmaker 12:58:13 <planetmaker> you're welcome 13:17:01 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:17:09 <LordAro> heyo 13:17:21 <krinn> hi 13:20:01 <Alberth> hi LordAro 13:20:13 <LordAro> hai Alberth & krinn 13:26:00 <Zuu> krinn: in the url, strip the final 'lib'. Eg ailib-cengine 13:26:19 <Zuu> The library itself can still be named cEngineLib if you like 13:28:03 <krinn> planetmaker suggest it already zuu :) http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ailib-cengine 13:30:36 <Zuu> krinn: In library.nut change GetUrl => GetURL. I know that I have this error in a few places. API doc: http://noai.openttd.org/api/trunk/classAIInfo.html#defa4714964d7458dfb1617f7b0ad135 13:31:06 <krinn> wow i must have that one everywhere then 13:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> mosquito bites are worst at my knees, for some reason 13:31:58 <krinn> lol Eddi|zuHause better than another part no, bad days to be nudist 13:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure what you're trying to say... 13:33:59 <krinn> better gets bites on knees than ass 13:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you know that mosquitos can sting through clothes? 13:35:47 <Xaroth|Work> I have 4 mosquito bites on my ankle.. they are fucking annoying 13:36:04 <Xaroth|Work> when you think they stop itching, you take 3 steps.. your shoes rub against them 13:36:07 <Xaroth|Work> and bam, itchy again 13:36:46 <Rubidium> Xaroth|Work: only solution is amputation... and I'm kinda considering that 13:37:09 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: meh, i'm too attached to my feet :( 13:37:19 <krinn> Rubidium, i do to, but for mosquito's head 13:54:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:01:04 <LordAro> hmm. music manager. which would you pick/use? 14:04:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CBA3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:06:05 <krinn> clementine 14:06:33 *** fjb_phone [~fjb@89.204.137.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:43 <Zuu> I only did get about 10 mosquito bites. Some itch a little, but nothing too bad. 14:19:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:08 <dihedral> <Rubidium> Xaroth|Work: only solution is amputation... and I'm kinda considering that <- then he can join TrueBrain who will only have one leg also (as discussed during the weekend) 14:22:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:56 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 14:34:24 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:48 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 15:11:10 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@2002:4d67:4d11:0:61a7:2588:6412:a646] has joined #openttd 15:11:19 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:01 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:19:04 <planetmaker> @ports 15:19:04 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 15:20:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:03 <dihedral> actually that is missing TCP 3977 15:27:57 <Xaroth|Work> yep 15:28:05 <dihedral> and it's way too much 15:28:17 <Xaroth|Work> well, admin port is optional 15:29:45 <dihedral> true 15:30:47 <andythenorth> Bbl 15:30:48 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@2002:4d67:4d11:0:61a7:2588:6412:a646] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:32 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.133.76] has joined #openttd 15:44:41 * Rubidium waves to andy 15:44:57 <andythenorth> o/ 15:47:44 <Rubidium> did you like the nyancorn? 15:48:07 <andythenorth> o_O 15:51:38 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 15:53:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:53 <Rubidium> or weren't you made aware of that construction? 15:55:58 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 15:57:56 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.35.193] has joined #openttd 15:57:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:06:56 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.35.193] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:07:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:05 <andythenorth> I saw a picture of something on someone's head... 16:07:15 <andythenorth> but was told to deny all knowledge in public ;) 16:07:17 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.35.193] has joined #openttd 16:13:04 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:17:23 <V453000> :D 16:24:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:25:48 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.115.191.171] has joined #openttd 16:31:10 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:53 <Terkhen> hello 16:38:36 <andythenorth> hola Terkhen 16:40:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:41:02 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A266.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:42:14 <krinn> hello Terkhen 16:42:32 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:19 <krinn> not the top odd thing that can be seen, but openttd always add 1 to engine speed in the ui 16:45:56 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 16:52:34 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:52 <frosch123> there are like 3 units for engine speeds 16:54:39 <krinn> well the one in my display is the same as in noai, except the +1 16:54:51 <krinn> in km/h 17:07:58 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 17:10:47 <XeryusTC> how do you tell tell openttd to use the release version string instead of revision number when compiling? 17:11:00 <XeryusTC> ye olde method of ./configure --revision doesn't work anymore :( 17:13:09 <planetmaker> you don't. 17:13:31 <planetmaker> You have to obtain the release version for the revision string 17:14:55 <planetmaker> doing that on one of our servers btw caused the removal. As it caused desyncs 17:15:10 <planetmaker> which took a day of debugging. pointlessly 17:19:54 <Rubidium> XeryusTC: if you need the release version string and you get the revision number, then you aren't using the release 17:21:13 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:12 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: seems like you're correct 17:29:07 <Rubidium> so it prevented another day of desync debugging ;) 17:29:40 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:32:37 <murr4y> wow http://i.imgur.com/5upTSax.jpg 17:32:41 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:34:14 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 17:35:20 <frosch123> murr4y: that picture has been on wikipedia for 5 years 17:35:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:55 <frosch123> it's 4 cliients btw 17:36:01 <Wolf01> hello :P 17:36:02 <frosch123> no shared viewport 17:37:19 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.35.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:32 <Wolf01> yesterday my PSU decided that bonfires are good 17:45:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25634 trunk/src/lang/estonian.txt (2013-07-29 17:45:15 UTC) 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> estonian - 144 changes by KSiimson 17:45:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A185EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:46 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has left #openttd [Live long and prosper] 17:54:13 <Alberth> Wolf01: hi, and :( 17:54:36 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.58.211] has joined #openttd 17:54:57 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.58.211] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:09 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:16 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.26.98.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:45 <Wolf01> not such a problem, I was here, luckily, at first I thought it was a power loss, but the air conditioner was happily sucking it's part of humidity from the air unable to lower the temperature, and I have a UPS, then I noticed a strange sound, like an electric component on fire (I really know it, I set on fire many of them at school :P) and the room suddenly was full of toxic smoke 18:13:49 <TWerkhoven> ouch 18:14:24 <TWerkhoven> i had the same thing, breakers tripped but ups happilly kept powering the pc. 18:14:31 <TWerkhoven> got popcorn instead of fire though 18:14:51 <Wolf01> :) 18:15:29 <Wolf01> time to test the new PSU 18:17:16 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.226.213] has joined #openttd 18:20:15 <murr4y> frosch123: oh :( 18:20:31 <murr4y> that was better left to the imagination :p 18:23:12 <frosch123> you can count the number of keyboard/mice, win startbars and ottd main toolbar :p 18:28:48 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:55 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052015108.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:55 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g229118008.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:37 <Zuu> frosch123: Or even easier, the number of news messages at the bottom of each OpenTTD client 18:46:38 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:52 <krinn> doing dictatorai to help me doing cenginelib to help me doing dictatorai... listening to hell's bells 19:02:36 *** The_Dude [~Miranda@ip-213-220-219-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:02:51 <The_Dude> hello there lovely people :-) 19:03:16 <krinn> hi The_Dude 19:03:38 <The_Dude> is here any expert for openttd MSVC compiling? I've got small question regarding last release 19:04:06 <Zuu> @get 3 19:04:06 <DorpsGek> Zuu: Don't ask to ask, just ask 19:04:25 <The_Dude> I am doing that, just wait 19:04:49 <Zuu> Eg. depending on the question, there may be someone who can answer it. 19:05:19 <The_Dude> when I compile with WITH_ICU disabled, I 've got funny character in openttd multiplayer chat, it puts "?" before every chat message, now, do I have to compile with WITH_ICU enabled, or is there a way to still compile without it and get normal output? 19:05:35 <The_Dude> just to add, if I compile with WITH_ICU, it is of course ok 19:06:36 <Zuu> frosch123: ^^ is that your 9x problem? 19:06:41 <The_Dude> any light into that edge issue is appreciated :-) 19:07:40 <frosch123> Zuu: no, but makes it more suspicious that 9x also fails due to WITHOUT_ICU# 19:08:06 <The_Dude> let's talk about win7 for a while :-) 19:08:40 <The_Dude> in 1.3.1 all was ok 19:08:50 <frosch123> same for 9x :p 19:08:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:03 <The_Dude> I was not able to find out whether there was some change, or if it relates to new openttd useful 19:09:07 <The_Dude> :-) 19:09:26 <frosch123> everything about text rendering and icu changed between 1.3.1 and 1.3.2 19:09:27 <The_Dude> well, I can of course compile with WITH_ICU, but I dont like the extra 8MB :-) 19:09:37 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:35 <The_Dude> everything? so WITH_ICU is like obligatory now? 19:11:08 <frosch123> no, but WITHOUT_ICU is mostly untested 19:12:03 <The_Dude> ok, so should I report it as bug? :-) 19:12:15 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:19 <The_Dude> I dont know what development intenstion concerning this issue are 19:12:53 <frosch123> supporting non-european alphabets 19:13:19 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:29 <glx> and improved layout too 19:16:01 <The_Dude> so what will be next? chinese and Sanskrit perhaps? :D 19:16:06 <The_Dude> I miss the cuneiform too ;-) 19:17:11 <frosch123> chinese is easy 19:17:34 <The_Dude> yes, if you are Chinese 19:18:22 <frosch123> no, easy compared to arabic or tamil 19:18:40 <The_Dude> that might be more accurate :-) 19:18:50 <frosch123> layouting chinese is even easier than european 19:18:57 <frosch123> all letters have the same width anyway 19:19:14 <krinn> i speak 30 languages 19:19:17 <krinn> ... when drunk 19:19:36 <frosch123> ottd speaks 54 19:21:11 <The_Dude> will be 55 if you add brail too :-) 19:21:23 <Zuu> frosch123: If you want a challenge, try to support signed languages. Eg. for at least longer strings/explanations, offer a video. :-) 19:21:56 <frosch123> Zuu: does it need a video, or do some sprite suffice? 19:22:10 <frosch123> i.e. does it need motion? 19:22:14 <The_Dude> yes, that would become very international, everyone can recognize pictures :-) 19:22:15 <frosch123> or are still images enough? 19:22:37 <Zuu> It needs motion. Some websites use animated gifs with a low frame rate as a compromise 19:23:38 <frosch123> hmm, actually what is the point of sign language on the internet? 19:24:06 <frosch123> is there a relevant number of people who can signs, but not read text? 19:24:48 <The_Dude> most of the internet it that way 19:26:04 <Zuu> The point is that many deaf people has sign language as their first language. A website with written text will then be in their second language. 19:26:42 <Zuu> Eg. the same reason why there is a german TTD forums and not all germans use the english forum. 19:26:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:26 *** amiller [~amiller@md15a36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:35 <The_Dude> oh, really, there is german ttd forum, quite military layout :D 19:27:53 <frosch123> hmm, yeah, i always forget that there is no relation between sign and written text as between text and voice 19:28:02 <andythenorth> sign language is quite involved to translate too 19:28:12 * andythenorth has been involved in a few sign language projects 19:28:20 <The_Dude> 2nd most view thread: Probleme mit OpenTTD 19:29:51 <Alberth> that's normal with every forum :) 19:30:12 <Alberth> people never post when it works as expected :) 19:30:34 <Zuu> - I have a problem, OpenTTD works just as I want :-) 19:30:39 <frosch123> Alberth: nope, off-topic should at least double problems section 19:31:07 <Alberth> inclusive or exclusive the games? :) 19:31:20 <frosch123> i don't dare to check :) 19:32:03 <The_Dude> on ttforums, problem thread is 4th out of 5th, that's nice 19:32:39 <Alberth> The_Dude: many people post in general openttd 19:32:52 <andythenorth> is it nap time yet? 19:32:55 * andythenorth is very tired 19:33:05 *** Levent [~oftc-webi@46.2.184.98] has joined #openttd 19:33:44 <Alberth> nap time is always, especially when it is hot, and you are out of the sun 19:36:53 <Levent> hey there... 19:37:37 * andythenorth plays some more of a cdist game 19:37:48 <andythenorth> I'm never going to manage to clear all PAX stations right? 19:37:52 <andythenorth> it's too hard 19:38:57 <The_Dude> any other ideas with my WITHOUT_ICU problem? 19:39:59 <Levent> whats diffrence between cargo distribution and cargo destinations may i ask... 19:41:27 <frosch123> the order of cargo production and assigning targets 19:41:29 <andythenorth> one is in trunk 19:41:29 <andythenorth> the other is not 19:41:42 <frosch123> cdist produces cargo first, then ships them 19:42:02 <frosch123> cdest assigns targets first, then produces accoding to what is reachable 19:42:14 <Zuu> cdist choose one of the reachable destinations 19:42:36 <Zuu> cdest discard cargo if destination can't be reached 19:43:39 <andythenorth> for the record, having tried cdist, I am a fan 19:44:11 <andythenorth> I miss YACD deciding where cargo wants to go, but cdist is still fun 19:44:24 <Levent> okay, thanks 19:44:42 <frosch123> or to put it more extreme: adding a new line to a network gives you more cargo to transport in cdest, but hurts your existing lines in cdist :p 19:45:24 <Levent> cdest sounds better doesnt it ... 19:45:42 <frosch123> well, it's the same as with everything 19:45:43 <Levent> anyway which one is being played and reachable? 19:45:54 <frosch123> if you know too much about the game mechanics, the game becomes boring :) 19:46:06 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:09 <frosch123> cdist/cdest difference does not matter as long as you do not know about the difference :p 19:46:26 <frosch123> other than that, you can still add production levels depending on target number or whatever 19:46:30 <frosch123> it's just not done :) 19:46:31 <Levent> i do know much i think, not the code but played over 5 years in Clanmega etc (rip) 19:46:34 <glx> the goal is the same for both 19:47:04 <frosch123> if you want to get rid of all fun playing ottd, you should read the game mechanics page on the wiki :p 19:47:20 <Levent> x) it becomes like chess ehe? 19:47:57 <andythenorth> autorefit is 'broken' in order gui btw 19:47:57 <frosch123> playing for 5 years gives you a theory, but not the certainty of reading the code 19:48:08 <andythenorth> there's no obvious way to remove an autorefit order 19:48:11 <Alberth> worse, chess is too complicated to predict 19:48:24 <frosch123> andythenorth: isn't "ctrl" obvious? :p 19:48:47 <andythenorth> ctrl does it? :o 19:48:50 <frosch123> even the tooltip says so :) 19:49:12 <andythenorth> oic 19:49:27 <Levent> whats left fun for me is realism... and i miss clanmega, we used to play cargodist with infrashare n shitloads of plugins n industries :/ searching something similar for a year or two... ? 19:49:46 <glx> andythenorth: rule number one: try with ctrl ;) 19:50:02 <andythenorth> meh 19:50:13 <andythenorth> ctrl modifier on a drop down menu is ugly 19:50:26 <glx> the key for many "hidden" features 19:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that's like saying "decryption is too easy if you know the code" 19:57:46 <Levent> lol btw are you frosch, that one is a main coder for Openttd ? 20:02:48 <frosch123> no, i am not the main coder of openttd 20:03:21 <frosch123> but every person with the name of a dev in this channel, is the actual dev 20:03:27 <frosch123> or we would have kicked them :p 20:03:39 * Rubidium isn't the main coder either 20:04:56 <glx> and banned frosch123 ;) 20:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> we should devise some punishment for when TrueBrain impersonated planetmaker :p 20:06:29 <glx> was probably easy to detect :) 20:07:11 <Eddi|zuHause> verz easilz because of the wrong kezboard lazout :p 20:07:16 <glx> but then we can't speak via the bot either 20:08:09 <DorpsGek> like this 20:08:26 <Zuu> If anyone would have tried my keyboard, only 'a' and 'm' would be on the usual place :-) 20:08:56 <Alberth> perhaps if you turn the keyboard 180 degrees? :) 20:08:56 <glx> azerty gives nice result too 20:09:17 <frosch123> Zuu: dvorak? 20:09:23 <Zuu> Yeah 20:09:51 <Zuu> A swedish variant with the bonus of placing most programming characters on AltGr+[a-z] 20:10:55 <andythenorth> hmm, losing my evening to this cdist game :P 20:10:59 <frosch123> never used dvorak, but with most us-style keyboard i have most trouble with the return key 20:11:12 <frosch123> i always hit |\ 20:11:18 <glx> it's too small :) 20:11:37 <glx> like backspace on some laptops 20:11:52 <Zuu> I never had that problem since I bought my kinesis keyboard. :-) 20:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the thing i hate most about american layout is that + requires shift 20:12:46 <Alberth> use numerical + :) 20:13:29 <Zuu> My only problem with kinesis contoured is that it is not exactly portable. 20:13:32 <Levent> ditto... and btw, no one knows a nice cargodi(e)st game with plugins ? x( 20:13:56 <andythenorth> CHIPS would be better if not all tiles showed identical amounts of cargo waiting 20:14:03 <Zuu> Levent: Trunk with some NewGRFs and a nice Game Script 20:14:06 <andythenorth> it's very silly when all tiles in a large station change at once 20:14:19 <andythenorth> I think ISR fixes it in newgrf? 20:14:44 <dihedral> oi 20:14:55 <Alberth> Levent: nocargoal? 20:16:27 <andythenorth> cdist makes distributing cargos like food much more interesting 20:17:10 <Alberth> or pax :) 20:17:27 <andythenorth> indeed 20:17:37 <Alberth> regular cargoes are less interesting for cdist, you think? 20:17:58 * Alberth hasn't really tried town-ish stuff with cdist 20:18:20 <Levent> nah not al :( ah maybe nothing like i want left in there 20:18:32 <andythenorth> regular cargos - it's nice not to have to set transfer orders 20:18:49 <andythenorth> but the networks I build for primary -> secondary are many -> one 20:19:07 <andythenorth> so cdist doesn't change gameplay much 20:19:11 <Levent> lol can we have cdest for pax n mail but normal for else? 20:19:19 <Zuu> yes 20:19:34 <Levent> cuz, like lumber... lumbers wont complain if they go to wrong factory x) 20:20:10 <frosch123> yeah, i always take the packages of my neighbours 20:20:18 <frosch123> the package won't complain 20:22:26 <Alberth> Levent: the factory that is supposed to receive them is :) 20:22:26 <Zuu> When you enable cdist, you do it for groups of cargoes. 20:22:26 <andythenorth> cdist also makes transfers much easier ;) 20:22:26 <Zuu> IIRC: Passengers, mail, express and other cargoes 20:22:26 * andythenorth wonders what cdist will do with FIRS supplies :( 20:22:26 <andythenorth> I guess I have to try it 20:22:26 <Levent> FIRS is the best industries gif we have in hand? 20:22:26 <andythenorth> no comment 20:22:26 <Zuu> It depends on what you like. 20:22:26 <Alberth> I tried a game or two to move a single cargo like coal or wood for all primary -> all secondary, but my industry density is too low 20:22:26 <Alberth> so you have to move things a loooong way 20:22:47 <Levent> so if you wont supply whole chain, it wont work? 20:25:51 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: perk11, pugi, apiecux, Pensacola, Wolf01, Sacro, TomyLobo, Vadtec, Extrems, andythenorth, (+82 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:26:52 *** Netsplit over, joins: Levent, amiller, KritiK, zeknurn, andythenorth, abchirk_, Progman, Wolf01, +glx, gelignite (+82 more) 20:28:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CED7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:28:53 <dihedral> does anybody know what time Belugas should arrive back home? 20:28:59 <dihedral> Rubidium, TrueBrain ^ 20:29:06 <frosch123> according to rb, just now 20:29:12 <dihedral> uh 20:30:03 <Rubidium> dihedral: what's home exactly? 20:30:17 <Prof_Frink> A hatstand. 20:30:46 <Rubidium> the house he usually resides in? The airport near the town he usually resides in? The state/province he usually resides in? Or the country he usually resides in? 20:31:27 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 20:31:45 <Prof_Frink> Home is where you hang your hat. Where you hang your hat is a hatstand. 20:31:48 <frosch123> afaik he never left the body he usually resides in 20:32:54 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:11 <Rubidium> cases 2-4 are respectively in about 20 minutes, about 10 minutes ago, about 100 minutes ago 20:35:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CBA3.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:05 <dihedral> the house he owns ;-) 20:37:26 <Rubidium> I reckon in about 2.5 hours or thereabouts 20:38:43 <frosch123> night 20:38:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5d15.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:38:47 <Rubidium> night frosch123 20:39:46 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:54 *** amiller [~amiller@md15a36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:17 * Rubidium likes flightaware's flight tracker ;) 20:42:03 <dihedral> hehe 20:42:09 <dihedral> Thanks for the information 20:42:20 <dihedral> in 2.5h i shall be asleep 20:42:23 <dihedral> hopefully 20:42:29 <andythenorth> +1 20:43:44 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 20:44:00 <Rubidium> +2 ;) 20:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause> sleep is overrated 20:44:24 <andythenorth> so the problem with auto-refit (any available)... 20:44:50 <andythenorth> if none of cargo x is waiting, the vehicle won't refit to it 20:45:04 <andythenorth> and if no vehicles carrying x have visited the station, then the station won't be supplied with the cargo 20:45:12 <supermop> yeah 20:45:17 <andythenorth> chicken.egg() or egg.chicken() ? 20:45:23 <supermop> you need to manually ride along the first time 20:45:32 <andythenorth> boooooring 20:45:41 <supermop> i just set it to full load 20:45:45 <Rubidium> andythenorth: then toggle the setting about pushing stuff to stations even if there is no demand 20:45:51 <supermop> then skip after its loaded >0% 20:45:55 <supermop> then re do the orders 20:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> just make sure the first run has cars refit to every possible cargo 20:47:13 <andythenorth> pushing to stations without demand could be win 20:48:05 <andythenorth> does cdist affect 'move cargo to station' stuff? 20:48:34 * andythenorth is also playing with a stupid industry newgrf that increases station ratings a lot :P 20:54:34 <Rubidium> the whale has landed 20:54:35 <Rubidium> now he's on his own ;) 20:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, cargodist only applies after cargo appears at the station 20:55:34 * andythenorth changes the setting 20:55:43 <andythenorth> now my stations will fill up with unwanted crap :) 20:56:55 <supermop> mail everywhere 20:58:47 <andythenorth> hmm 20:59:02 <andythenorth> I need to exclude a cargo from 'auto refit available' 20:59:03 <andythenorth> :( 20:59:12 <andythenorth> railroad tycoon had a gui for that 21:01:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:02:51 <andythenorth> does auto refit prefer to stick to current refit? 21:06:39 <andythenorth> oic, the cargo is already on the vehicle, for a destination further along the order list 21:08:52 <andythenorth> good night 21:08:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:09:53 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:58 <fjb> Moin 21:16:17 *** amiller [~amiller@md15a36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:27 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has joined #openttd 21:19:59 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:11 <Alberth> moin, and good night :) 21:25:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:26:34 <dihedral> Rubidium, apparently it's a type of dolphin :-P 21:26:53 <SmatZ> yay dih :-) 21:27:03 <SmatZ> hello all ;-) 21:27:04 <dihedral> hello SmatZ :-) 21:27:25 <dihedral> how are you? have not seen you 'active' for some time ... probably due to not being active myself :-D 21:27:29 <SmatZ> seems you are married now, wow :-) 21:27:52 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 21:27:52 *** George is now known as Guest1622 21:27:52 *** George|2 is now known as George 21:28:42 <SmatZ> I am not really active nowadays, yes :-( it's been like that for quite some time now... 21:28:51 <SmatZ> too much work 21:28:56 <SmatZ> I guess 21:30:20 <dihedral> yes, got married in the mean time :-) but the cat is out of the house ... :-D 21:30:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A185EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:48 <SmatZ> warm congratulations from me :) 21:31:58 <SmatZ> wish I were so lucky... 21:32:01 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.179.94.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:14 *** Guest1622 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:02 *** The_Dude [~Miranda@ip-213-220-219-55.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:41:07 <dihedral> thank you 21:43:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A266.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:43:52 *** Levent [~oftc-webi@46.2.184.98] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56:34 <NGC3982> I watched Prometheus 21:56:47 <NGC3982> My eyes :( 21:57:05 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:54 <Wolf01> 'night 22:00:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:12:52 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 22:12:55 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:14 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has left #openttd [Live long and prosper] 22:21:03 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:05 <megakacktus> I'd like to help develop OpenTTD but I have very little real developing experience (only a smattering of Java and just a bit of C). naturally the codebase of OpenTTD looks very big and confusing to novice like myself 22:24:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:15 <megakacktus> I'm just wondering, where would you folks suggest I begin? 22:27:40 <megakacktus> I understand it's written in C++, which should not be too difficult to pick up considering I can get by in java 22:28:00 *** amiller [~amiller@md15a36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:44 *** amiller [~amiller@md15a36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:26 *** krinn [~krinn@76.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:52 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> megakacktus: you can pick one of the "beginner" tasks from the wiki, or follow the recent development, which feature changed code in which places 22:37:35 *** amiller [~amiller@md15a36d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:12 <megakacktus> Isn't there an RSS feed for recent commits? 22:38:40 <Zuu> Wiki todo: http://wiki.openttd.org/Todo_list 22:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> probably on http://vcs.openttd.org somewhere 22:39:16 <Zuu> Yeah, I subscribe to an RSS on that page. 22:40:52 *** krinn [~krinn@53.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:19 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:44:31 <dihedral> good job RAM is no problem in todays world 22:45:02 <dihedral> i really dislike the fact of my java app eating 32MB to 36MB 22:48:06 <dihedral> ap+ has a much smaller fingerprint :-P 22:52:05 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 22:52:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:40 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:08 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: java is known for that :| 22:56:18 <Xaroth|Work> if something can whore your ram, it's java 22:56:52 <Xaroth|Work> and .net .. but not -that- bad 22:57:55 <dihedral> the only good thing about java: you know where your resources are going to 22:58:08 <Xaroth|Work> yeah, down the drain :P 22:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> my first computer had 1.6MB RAM 22:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause> less than the 2MB required to run win 3.1 in 386 mode 22:59:40 <NGC3982> Yey. 23:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we upgraded to 8MB then 23:00:54 <krinn> lucky you, mine was 256k 23:03:25 <dihedral> i had once upgraded my 486dx2 90MHz to 24MB of RAM :-P 23:06:55 <krinn> i was getting mad because i don't really remember well, but i think it was dos 3.1 takes too much ram, while i couldn't use dos 3.0 or something that was lighter but didn't handle my hdd (a whoopy 10m) 23:07:41 <krinn> it was hard days, booting from floppy because dos takes too much ram :) 23:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> my first HDD was 80MB, complemented with a 420MB one later 23:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause> which turned out to be a big problem because there was no IDE slot left to attach a CD drive, and we didn't manage to get the CD port on the sound card working (not sure if they needed special devices or special drivers) 23:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and there was no internet to google CD drive problems 23:15:38 <NGC3982> I used to drive a bike. 23:15:45 <NGC3982> Sorry. 23:15:49 <NGC3982> I used to ride a bike. 23:17:10 <dihedral> the cd port on the sound card was only for playing music cd's 23:18:05 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, didn't use minitel with RS232 to browse BBS ? (at the lightning speed of the minitel, of course at the amazing prize of france telecom), pure joy 23:19:05 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: not the 4-pin one, there was a complete 40-pin IDE port on the sound card 23:19:08 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.42] has joined #openttd 23:19:34 <Aristide> o/ 23:19:40 <Aristide> I have proken Wireless settings on my phone xD 23:19:42 <Aristide> broken * 23:19:46 <dihedral> you had an odd sound card :-D 23:19:58 <krinn> soundblaster had that 23:20:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that was pretty standard back then 23:20:12 <Aristide> MIDI > All 23:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it was even one of the higher end sound cards 23:20:39 <krinn> yes, soundblaster pro or AWE32 got cd pin 23:20:40 <Aristide> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p206x206/534147_283860685022668_1488877608_n.jpg 23:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> soundblaster AWE 32 (but not the gold one) 23:20:43 <Aristide> <3 23:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... http://www.ebay.de/itm/Modell-DR-18-201-in-Spur-II-Masstab-1-22-5-Spurweite-64mm-Unikat-/111126432999?pt=DE_Modellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item19dfa6cce7 23:23:05 <Aristide> So, I must reboot my phone o/ 23:23:13 <Aristide> °+° 23:23:20 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:29 <krinn> erf 30k but it look in real good state 23:24:27 <krinn> 128 Beobachter <- bids ? 23:25:42 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.42] has joined #openttd 23:26:09 <Aristide> ... Update failure 23:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: no, "Beobachter" is just people who bookmarked the auction 23:27:19 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: says one person suggested a price 23:29:23 <dihedral> i had a soundblaster, and it did not have that 23:29:39 <NGC3982> Seriosly, Sweden is having the heat wave of it's life. 23:30:02 <NGC3982> It's half past two in the morning, and it's still 26C outside. 23:30:08 <krinn> dihedral, depend on model, pro & awe32 did, i think they drop it for models that comes out after 23:30:23 <dihedral> funny thing is, i had the mentioned models ;-) 23:30:26 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Live long and prosper] 23:30:29 <dihedral> i had no ide on the sound card 23:31:34 <krinn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ct1600.jpg 23:31:38 <dihedral> i am guessing my soundblaster card was newer :-P 23:31:59 <dihedral> yes krinn i just read about the ide connectors 23:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause> my card even had 3 different kinds of connectors on it 23:33:59 <krinn> sblive was last one i own, after that gravis and keep it until my mb didn't had an iso to put it on :( 23:34:08 <krinn> since then only onboard m/b sound 23:35:45 <dihedral> anyway - it is too late for me, i will need my rest 23:35:48 <dihedral> good night :-) 23:35:55 <krinn> night :) 23:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> says "mitsumi drive", "creative/panasonic drive" and "sony drive" on the different connectors 23:37:28 <krinn> mitsumi was my first cd :P 23:37:44 <krinn> sold bundle with the starwars thing 23:39:05 <krinn> trying to remember what was that game name, it was amazing (by that time) 23:41:43 <krinn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udtX2bTikI lol found it 23:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, the first star wars game i had was "rebel assault" 23:42:02 <krinn> lol yes Eddi|zuHause it was that one i get in the bundle 23:44:20 <Aristide> Cat bus http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdvvnk0TM11rvydco.gif lol 23:45:35 <krinn> :p cute cats 23:46:31 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.226.213] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.1 Beta Build (300713) 64 Bit] 23:46:32 <Aristide> :) 23:47:09 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.59.226.213] has joined #openttd 23:49:49 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:23 <Aristide> krinn: Reminds me .. . This is the financial crisis. ... 23:52:26 <Aristide> Or not ? 23:52:48 <Aristide> I don't know where TCL get much money ... 23:53:46 <Aristide> 2011 : 80 New Citelis 18, 2012 : 58 New Citelis 12 and 6 Citelis 18, 2013 : 50 citelis 12 and 10 Citelis 18 : 2014 : 60 news Citelis 12 23:54:09 <krinn> i dunno what is TCL? 23:54:16 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:36 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.210.42] has joined #openttd 23:58:08 <Aristide> Bad wifi ><