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that's nice 07:39:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:40:07 <Wolf01> 'morning 07:40:51 <Alberth> mornink 07:47:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 07:54:45 <Terkhen> good morning 08:05:56 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C300B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:20:00 <peter1138> Bah, my crap but expensive bike light won't work right :( 08:20:53 <Xaroth|Work> Alberth: Pillow is a continuation of PIL 08:21:02 <peter1138> Maybe it doesn't like rechargables. 08:21:31 <peter1138> 2.4V vs 3V is quite a difference. 08:22:01 <Alberth> Xaroth|Work: yeah, I just didn't expect they don't deviate from the PIL interface 08:27:52 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-36-165.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:29:31 <planetmaker> not yet :-) 08:30:13 <LordAro> /o 08:31:08 <planetmaker> hi LordAro 08:39:49 *** TWerkhoven [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:55 *** TWerkhov1n [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:56:11 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-195-252.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:08:49 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:13:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:45 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:28:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:07 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:52:28 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.99.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.99.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 10:02:37 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:07:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5907.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:01 *** montalvo [~montalvo@109.144.252.11] has joined #openttd 10:23:56 *** montalvo [~montalvo@109.144.252.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:59 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:31 *** montalvo [~montalvo@109.144.252.11] has joined #openttd 10:32:01 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:37 *** montalvo [~montalvo@109.144.252.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:34 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:16 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:52 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #openttd 11:16:51 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 11:20:38 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:39 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C300B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 11:27:21 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:17 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 11:35:36 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:44 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 11:38:51 <Rubidium> why can't news be brought objectively instead of sensationally? 11:39:45 <LordAro> because money 11:40:05 <LordAro> bbc is usually ok though 11:41:09 <Rubidium> so in the Netherlands there is a high speed rail line on which two services (should) run 11:41:29 <Rubidium> the Thalys from Amsterdam to Paris and the Fyra (from Amsterdam to Breda or Brussels) 11:41:53 <Rubidium> now the Fyra service has been running for a few years, but with non-high speed trains 11:42:35 <Rubidium> high speed trains for the Fyra service were ordered and taken into service in December last year to be taken out of service in January this year 11:42:42 <Miauw> Oh god, the Thalys. 11:42:45 <Miauw> I mean 11:42:50 <Miauw> The Fyra. 11:43:00 <Miauw> The goddamn drama that's been on the news over here in Belgium. 11:43:14 <Rubidium> news: "Fyra trains are not running anymore", except... the old non-high speed Fyra trains were taken back into service... so technically they are still running 11:43:15 <Miauw> About that thing. 11:43:37 <Miauw> Over here, nobody ever heard about Fyra until the high-speed trains. 11:43:43 <Miauw> It was called "The Fyra" here. 11:44:43 <Rubidium> today the news is: "Fyra trains are running again", except... it's those inherently unsafe V250 high speed trains... with only one train movement a week to prevent the trains from rusting solid without taking any passengers 11:44:56 <Rubidium> (and the old style Fyra trains are still running) 11:45:20 <Miauw> Didn't they catch fire while still anyway or something? 11:45:26 <Rubidium> having said that, the V250 trains for the Fyra service are, for current standards, nice death traps 11:45:33 <Miauw> Yeah. 11:46:04 <Miauw> And nobody liked their already generally late trains being discarded for this horrible thing they didn't even use... 11:51:01 <Rubidium> you know Fyra = 4 in Swedish? So, how were they expected to get a good grade for that project? 11:52:57 <Miauw> Heh 12:05:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 12:06:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause> are those the ones where the bottom drops out? 12:10:09 <andythenorth> bonsoir 12:10:18 <andythenorth> @seen danmack 12:10:18 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 19 hours, 46 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all 12:10:32 <andythenorth> "danmack won't you come back?" 12:12:30 <Alberth> o/ 12:18:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:59 <planetmaker> andythenorth, so... should translations from eints also be pushed back into FIRS repository? 12:26:13 <andythenorth> do we trust it? o_O 12:26:36 <planetmaker> I do 12:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause> do you want to review it manually? 12:27:20 <planetmaker> also, Eddi|zuHause and andythenorth: it doesn't work on projects where the lang files are generated... 12:27:38 <andythenorth> figures :) 12:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: must be attached to the .in files 12:27:42 <andythenorth> so FISH is out 12:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: in CETS, the .in files are normal language files, they just need a different filename because the automatically generated strings have to be appended 12:29:24 <andythenorth> I could blat the generated stuff onto the end of the file manually during compile :P 12:29:51 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, as an idea... could the automatic generated stuff go into custom_tags.txt ? 12:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: how would that work? 12:31:37 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.46] has joined #openttd 12:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: custom_tags can only replace the right side of a string definition? 12:32:33 <planetmaker> hm, yes 12:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but i need all the engine names, and the axle schemes from the table 12:35:08 <Alberth> extend nml? 12:35:24 <andythenorth> global strings, untranslated? 12:35:30 <andythenorth> is that what custom_tags is? 12:35:46 <planetmaker> it's global commands 12:35:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the makefile uses custom_tags to insert the revision number 12:35:59 <planetmaker> which can just be to replace {COMMAND} with "my custom text" 12:36:25 <planetmaker> so, yes, basically a custom replacement thing 12:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't really see a sane way other than what i'm currently doing 12:37:41 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: altenatively you could use a different folder for generated fiels 12:38:08 <frosch123> or for the input (eints supports reading lang files from a custom folder, but not custom filenames) 12:38:24 <planetmaker> good idea, frosch123 ! 12:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if you want to patch that into CETS, go ahead... 12:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause> should be trivial change 12:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> in scripts/files.py or so 12:42:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CD5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:43:47 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:29 *** ntoskrnl11 [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:13:12 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:24 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 13:27:10 *** Guest5746 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:56 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:41:34 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:41:55 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 13:46:09 <andythenorth> meh 13:46:17 <andythenorth> porting ship nml to train nml 13:46:27 <andythenorth> action 0 block is causing a lot of nml whining :P 13:47:30 <andythenorth> seems that trains can't be 400t :P 13:48:49 <Alberth> land would buckle under the load :) 13:50:37 <V453000> XD 13:51:02 <V453000> dont tell me you are really making ships on wetrails 13:51:20 <andythenorth> ok 13:51:23 <andythenorth> I'm not :) 13:51:41 <andythenorth> although due to a temporary lack of graphics, some versions will show ships on rails :P 13:52:24 <V453000> wa? :D 13:53:14 <andythenorth> so which properties have to be defined to make a train appear? 13:53:16 <andythenorth> my trains aren't :P 13:53:47 <andythenorth> nvm 13:53:50 <andythenorth> forgot 'make install' 13:53:57 <andythenorth> just ran 'make' 13:54:01 <andythenorth> :m 13:54:13 <V453000> idontgetwhatareyoudoing 13:55:02 <andythenorth> newtrainsetwithdanmackallsecretnomoredetailsyet 13:55:23 <planetmaker> morethan1x? 13:55:52 <frosch123> V453000: he does a prequel to nuts. horses before they became educated 13:56:35 <andythenorth> V453000: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5383/iron_horse_wet.png 13:57:44 <V453000> XD 13:57:53 <planetmaker> lol 13:58:04 <andythenorth> I love templated newgrf frameworks :P 13:58:18 <andythenorth> 1hr work, all ships are now trains 14:00:43 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/5384/iron_horse_wet_2.png 14:01:58 <V453000> are quite low 14:02:09 <andythenorth> also quite slow 14:02:13 <andythenorth> missing some props :( 14:02:24 <V453000> slow iz k 14:03:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:09 <V453000> andythenorth: do you intend to use nuts wetrails, or? :) 14:05:35 <V453000> might want to try to align it with those in case :P 14:05:56 <andythenorth> V453000: it will be trains soon 14:06:05 <andythenorth> when my canadian conspirator sends sprites 14:06:14 <V453000> boooooring 14:06:31 <andythenorth> :D 14:07:05 <V453000> <- is drawing new shippies though :> 14:07:14 <oskari89> 30000 kph logic maglev train was even more intresting :D 14:07:29 <oskari89> Andythenorth: Make your largest ship go that speed :) 14:07:37 <oskari89> It would be amusing sight 14:20:56 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:05 <andythenorth> hmm 14:21:15 <andythenorth> TE is 0 if cargo capacity not set? :P 14:24:31 *** ntx [~ntx@a88-115-29-236.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:24:33 <V453000> wut, no? 14:24:40 <andythenorth> something else then 14:25:01 <V453000> what does TE have to do with cargo capacity? :D 14:25:10 <andythenorth> dunno 14:25:21 <andythenorth> I have TE 0 for 2 trains, and it's set correctly for another 1 14:26:37 <V453000> it depends on weight 14:26:47 <V453000> but 0 is strange regardless 14:26:59 <planetmaker> 0 is default for unset 14:27:04 <V453000> :D oh 14:27:34 <andythenorth> docs imply 0.3 is default 14:27:56 <planetmaker> I think only for the default trains 14:28:08 <planetmaker> any unset property has a value of 0 as default, I'd think? 14:28:17 <planetmaker> got link to that piece of docs? 14:29:04 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Train_properties 14:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> in general, all but the original vehicle stats are 0 if not initalized 14:29:35 *** gorzzz [~gorzzz@112-213-204-152.bb.ispone.net.au] has quit [] 14:29:51 <andythenorth> works fine if explicitly set 14:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so always initialize stuff explicitly 14:30:34 <V453000> in what case would you not want to set TE of your trains :D 14:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> in the lazy case :p 14:31:12 <V453000> deosnt exist :> 14:31:28 <andythenorth> in the case where you read the docs :P 14:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you read the docs wrong? 14:31:53 <andythenorth> possible 14:32:55 <planetmaker> yeah, but docs are at least mis-leading there 14:33:02 <andythenorth> "Default value is 0.3" 14:33:10 <andythenorth> pretty unambiguous description of the default value 14:34:17 <juzza1> maybe write "original trains use 0.3" is someone editing right now? i can 14:34:28 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I fixed wiki :-P 14:34:34 <andythenorth> Thanks :) 14:34:35 <juzza1> ok 14:36:39 <V453000> pfft "good" 14:36:40 <V453000> :D 14:36:55 <V453000> 255! 14:37:24 <planetmaker> for a value between 0 and 1? ;-) 14:37:37 <V453000> 255 is 1 14:37:50 *** Maxsi [~IceChat9@186.212.62.139] has joined #openttd 14:39:16 <V453000> idk if it worked differently when I was starting to code vehicles, but I have 1-255 used everywhere instead of 0-1 14:40:21 <juzza1> in properties, range is 0..1, if set via callback, it's 0..255 14:40:32 <planetmaker> V453000, uh... and value nfo? 14:40:41 <planetmaker> and what juzza1 says 14:41:02 <V453000> :d 14:41:55 <andythenorth> bbl 14:41:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> callbacks not being able to use the same units as properties is one of the big weaknesses of nml 14:49:55 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 14:50:11 <planetmaker> yes 14:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but you need some stricter context for that to work 14:51:08 <planetmaker> yeah 14:51:33 *** Maxsi [~IceChat9@186.212.62.139] has quit [Quit: Life without danger is a waste of oxygen] 15:00:11 *** Miauw_ [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:07:05 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:01 *** Miauw_ is now known as Miauw 15:10:02 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:16:29 *** Miauw_ [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:24:04 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:49 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 15:29:09 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:37:00 *** Miauw__ [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:40:15 <V453000> is it possible to create a fake newtree / stolen trees newGRF which bananas would recognize and download for broken savegames missing that file? 15:42:51 <planetmaker> you can hardly fake grfID, some meaningful content and still obtain the same md5sum 15:43:16 <planetmaker> which by those means would be rejected by bananas as "duplicate entry" 15:44:07 *** Miauw_ [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you're better off just enablin developer tools and ignoring the grf 15:45:01 <Eddi|zuHause> +g 15:45:06 <V453000> well it isnt for me 15:45:20 <V453000> many of our archived savegames arent loadable for people who do not have the newgrf from times before 15:45:43 <LordAro> i think there should be a newgrf flag which shows that it only affects graphics, not gameplay, and therefore is optional 15:45:45 <V453000> also would it make sense to overwrite "duplicate entry" as the exception of a deleted newGRF? 15:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> is it not in the grf pack? 15:46:07 <Alberth> LordAro: how to decide that is the problem 15:46:08 <V453000> only test.grf version of stolen trees is in the grf pack, not newtrees and stolen trees 15:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: that doesn't work 15:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: as another grf can check for presence of the grf and suddenly it does matter 15:47:20 <LordAro> surely you can test to see if a newgrf touches only actions that replace graphics? 15:47:28 <Alberth> can we not drop that feature? 15:48:06 <V453000> honestly a save should always be openable, if everything breaks after loading, too bad 15:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: yes we can do that, but only if we have the grf 15:48:32 <V453000> (regarding missing newgrfs) 15:48:40 <Rubidium> V453000: that's what you have a hex editor for 15:48:53 <V453000> hex editor? 15:49:03 <Rubidium> yes, to open the savegame 15:49:09 <V453000> :d 15:49:33 <V453000> anyway, if I wanted to stop people from having issues with missing newtrees/stolen trees, what options do I have? 15:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: that's what [newgrf-static] already does, just people don't know about it since there is no gui 15:50:25 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, what would help to mark certain newgrfs as static, but still, on server-join prod clients to load it or obtain it 15:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: load the savegame, remove grf, save again, publisch the modified savegame 15:50:56 <Rubidium> V453000: conquer the world, and by law require all NewGRFs to be freely redistributable 15:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> -c 15:51:21 <V453000> Eddi|zuHause: would have to compile all the revisions to save in the old one again 15:51:27 <V453000> not really an option 15:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: you can download old releases 15:51:49 <V453000> not that old 15:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: or you just take 1.0-ish and forget about older stuff 15:52:33 <Rubidium> if they're that old, you'll likely not be able to compile them either 15:52:39 <V453000> mhm 15:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: why would you care about someone loding your archived games with a 0.6? 15:53:22 <Rubidium> e.g. 0.7 fails to compile with 4.8 15:53:37 <V453000> valid point Eddi 15:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i had to fix two or three things while trying to compile stuff around r12xxx 15:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> static cast, something about protected->public in yapf-rail and something else i forgot 15:54:58 <Alberth> const stuff 15:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes that's the static cast 15:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 18045 15:55:52 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by rubidium :: r18045 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2009-11-11 21:15:58 UTC) 15:55:53 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix: GCC 4.5@HEAD not compiling OpenTTD anymore because of a "non-placement deallocation function [is] selected for placement delete", or in other words delete(void *, size_t) is 'magic'. 15:55:54 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: We implemented these delete(void *, size_t) operator functions because MSVC warned that "no matching operator delete found; memory will not be freed if initialization throws an exception" for new(size_t, size_t). 15:55:55 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: This disables MSVC warning about this because we do not use exceptions in the (constructors that use the) overridden allocation functions, as such they will never be called; delete(void *) remains necessary though. 15:56:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the one 15:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i forgot 15:56:30 <V453000> what is the last revision loadable with 1.0.0? 15:57:13 <Rubidium> 21279? 15:57:41 *** TWerkhov1n is now known as TWerkhoven 15:57:52 <V453000> ~2011? 15:58:04 <V453000> no 2010 15:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> 1.x is in 201x. easy to remember := 15:59:46 <V453000> :> 16:00:00 <V453000> 2.0 by 2020 16:00:01 <V453000> ? 16:00:03 <V453000> :D :P 16:00:11 <V453000> with all the features forums require? 16:00:18 <Rubidium> nah... 16:03:33 <V453000> hm 16:03:41 <V453000> well I will consider saving the things as suggested :P 16:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. we must implement everything from the 2.0 thread by 2020 :p 16:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: you could keep the old files in the archive 16:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> incase problems occur 16:04:28 <V453000> of course we would keep the files backed up somewhere 16:05:12 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:27 <frosch123> if you only consider the start of the 2.0 thread, we actually achieved that stuff iirc :p 16:05:27 <Alberth> nah, just release 1.10 :p 16:05:35 <Rubidium> 1.A 16:05:46 <V453000> xd 16:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> we had that same discussion with 0.x :p 16:11:30 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:37 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:20 *** Miauw__ is now known as Miauw 16:23:41 <Miauw> Heh. 16:23:54 <Miauw> I found a village on a really small island that literally just consists of 3 houses, 2 pieces of road and a bridge to the mainland 16:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had a town with 0 population (just a road, or a road with a church) 16:25:11 <Miauw> Actually, 2 houses 16:25:16 <Miauw> One of them was a church. 16:25:19 <Miauw> 50 people 16:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes they can't even build bridges to the mainland 16:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> like in www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%2013.%20Apr%202027.png (12MB) the town of Bliesdorf was one like that 16:28:09 <Miauw> I'm playing on a map way too large for one person. 16:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it would probably be way too large for multiple persons anyway :) 16:29:24 <V453000> Eddi will you ever play another game to show? :D 16:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: i was about to revive one of my older games, but then i got distracted... 16:30:06 <Miauw> I'm playing on the second size. 16:30:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Miauw: in singleplayer you get away with the CPU not keeping up with the calculation, the game will just run a little slower. but in multiplayer it will kick you out 16:30:23 <Miauw> I guess 16:30:40 <Eddi|zuHause> so in multiplayer the game can't get too big 16:31:07 <V453000> :P 16:31:12 <V453000> distracted is wrong 16:31:36 <Miauw> Besides, I've only actually DONE something on less than a quarter of this map 16:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i certainly played games like that as well :p 16:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the rather small map above was actually an exception, because i wanted a "quick" game which i could finish within like one month 16:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause> because this was a patched version with no savegame compatibility, and when those lay around for too long, you get annoyed because feature <X> is not in there yet, and you can't update 16:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, gtg 16:38:57 <Miauw> Cya 16:39:21 <Miauw> I just realized a rather disturbing thing 16:39:35 <Miauw> I had two airplanes going between two airports. 16:39:40 <Miauw> But they don't show up in the list anymore 16:39:42 <Miauw> So they crashed 16:39:43 <Miauw> And I didn't notice 16:52:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:09 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:57:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:06:25 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25755 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-09-07 17:45:20 UTC) 17:45:27 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <DorpsGek> greek - 1 changes by Evropi 17:45:29 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 4 changes by IPG 17:45:30 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 1 changes by Yoursnotmine 17:45:51 <fjb> Moin 17:48:53 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 17:54:56 <Alberth> hi hi 18:06:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:56 *** Hendrick_ [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 18:20:39 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:26:15 *** Miauw [~Miauw@d54C14D72.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:53 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:50:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:59:21 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 19:03:33 <andythenorth> what should I set default_cargo_type to for train engines? 19:03:40 <andythenorth> I thought DEFAULT_CARGO_FIRST_REFITTABLE 19:03:47 <andythenorth> but that causes the vehicle to be hidden in purchase list 19:04:01 <andythenorth> ah 19:04:04 <andythenorth> vehicle is not refittable 19:04:09 <planetmaker> :-) 19:04:24 <andythenorth> so what should I use for default_cargo_type in that case? 19:04:27 <andythenorth> puzzling :) 19:04:38 <planetmaker> passengers or coal 19:04:46 <planetmaker> or goods 19:04:52 <andythenorth> ok thanks 19:05:09 <planetmaker> but I actually do think that it's a wagon/engine-specific thing 19:05:51 <peter1138> What's a good library/data structure for a key/type/value triplet list in C? 19:06:15 <peter1138> Arbitrary keys. 19:07:36 <peter1138> (Yeah, I probably shouldn't be using C, but I am...) 19:08:31 <LordAro> nested lists, maps, some other std object? 19:08:39 <Rubidium> that ain't C 19:10:57 <LordAro> damn 19:11:00 <LordAro> of course not 19:13:10 <LordAro> ignore my amateur opinion :L 19:43:34 <andythenorth> should I care much about TE coefficient in a train set 19:43:41 <andythenorth> I spent a lot of time on it in RV sets :P 19:43:47 <andythenorth> can I just use 0.3 for trains? o_O 19:45:52 * andythenorth likes the sound of no argument 19:48:06 <Alberth> as for a first approach, would be fine I guess :) 19:48:30 <Alberth> no idea what NUTS does there, but for industry it seems to be nicely tuned 19:50:31 <V453000> NUTS uses values from 30 to 255 19:50:33 <V453000> need other hints? :D 19:55:30 <andythenorth> where do trains get sound effect from (using nml)? 19:56:19 <planetmaker> there's a soundXXX thing 19:56:30 <planetmaker> the finnish guys know by heart 19:57:30 <andythenorth> seems to be a cb for trains 19:57:34 <andythenorth> all other types have a prop 19:57:40 *** ntoskrnl11 [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:10 <andythenorth> maybe I just read nfo spec :) 19:59:06 <andythenorth> ah 19:59:09 <andythenorth> I need prop 19 19:59:33 * andythenorth -> nml source 19:59:54 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:00:19 <andythenorth> engine_class 20:00:43 <alluke> planetmaker: could you give me the permissions repair code again please? 20:00:52 <andythenorth> "Defines which livery colour settings apply to the vehicle" o_o 20:01:21 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Vehicles/Trains#Engine_traction_type_.2819.29 20:01:23 <andythenorth> ?? 20:01:30 * andythenorth thinks another docs updated? o_O 20:01:54 <andythenorth> nml and nfo spec are at odds 20:03:14 <planetmaker> what is a permissions repair code? 20:03:53 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Builtin_functions @ andythenorth 20:04:07 <planetmaker> sound(soundfile[, volume]) 20:04:38 <andythenorth> different use case :) but thanks, useful 20:06:31 <alluke> the one you told me put into terminal 20:06:42 <V453000> Q: any way to flip rear vehicle of 2headed engine Without defining new spritesets? 20:06:50 <alluke> something and path to the app 20:06:53 <V453000> (make both 2headed units look the same way) 20:07:11 <planetmaker> chmod u+x path/to/file? 20:07:22 <alluke> thanks 20:07:37 <andythenorth> sudo rm /* ? 20:07:41 <andythenorth> *don't* ^ 20:07:43 <andythenorth> :P 20:08:42 <peter1138> +-rf 20:09:04 <andythenorth> frosch123: can you confirm that description for engine_class is wrong here? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Train_properties 20:09:11 <andythenorth> it's supposed to describe prop 19 http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Vehicles/Trains#Engine_traction_type_.2819.29 20:09:38 <andythenorth> I'll fix, unless this is an EAndythenorth scenario 20:09:40 <andythenorth> but I tested it 20:11:58 <frosch123> peter1138: gnome lib (glib) has c++ datastructure for c 20:12:07 <frosch123> like lists, hashes etc 20:13:21 <peter1138> Yeah I could look at that. 20:13:33 <peter1138> Does it do the horrible GINT crap or is that gtk... 20:13:39 <peter1138> gpointer :S 20:14:17 <peter1138> Ah no, that's glib. Damn. 20:14:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: no idea, i would expect that nml solves the property mess and does it differently 20:15:01 <andythenorth> hmm 20:15:10 <andythenorth> nml just maps prop 19 to engine_class 20:15:13 <andythenorth> I think docs are wrong 20:16:20 <andythenorth> I've never coded trains before, so it's all a bit 'wtf' for me 20:16:23 <andythenorth> trains are bonkers 20:17:30 <V453000> :( 20:18:17 <frosch123> andythenorth: what would be wrong about docs? 20:18:24 <frosch123> that it does not mention the sound effect? 20:18:31 <andythenorth> no 20:18:34 <andythenorth> says "Defines which livery colour settings apply to the vehicle" 20:18:40 <andythenorth> which is possibly true 20:18:47 <andythenorth> but at least not the whole story 20:18:52 <frosch123> not? 20:18:53 <andythenorth> the prop *does* change sound effect 20:19:15 <frosch123> ... that's what i asked before 20:19:27 <frosch123> so, it changed livery and sound efffect? 20:19:30 <andythenorth> yes 20:19:34 <andythenorth> I was agreeing with you above 20:19:39 <andythenorth> English can be ambiguous 20:19:40 <andythenorth> :P 20:19:47 <andythenorth> sorry 20:22:17 <andythenorth> let's see if it also sets visual effect... 20:22:43 <andythenorth> yes 20:23:00 <andythenorth> no magic, literal interpretation of prop 19 20:23:03 * andythenorth docs 20:23:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:24:14 <alluke> ehat the hell 20:24:36 <alluke> no such file or directory 20:24:41 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 20:32:39 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C382E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:45:50 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:04:44 * andythenorth -> bed bed bed bed bed bed 21:04:44 <andythenorth> bye 21:04:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:05:31 <V453000> bad 21:14:45 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@ip-89-177-163-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:15:12 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@ip-89-177-163-66.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 21:17:42 *** Hendrick_ [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 21:24:39 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C382E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:35:36 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 21:49:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:50:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6BD5F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:53:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CD5.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:23 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:57:15 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.99.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.2 Beta Build (2013/09/07) 64 Bit] 21:58:13 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.206.99.58.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:05:22 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-129-196.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:11:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:26:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:08 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:48:21 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-36-165.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:21 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:14 <Wolf01> 'night 23:54:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]