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We recommend a new client: www.adiirc.com] 03:15:40 *** LuHa1 is now known as LuHa 03:16:09 *** LuHa [~harny@211.199.146.31] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:16:15 *** LuHa [~harny@211.199.146.31] has joined #openttd 03:18:20 <LuHa> hmm, i again lost voice right in .dev :( 03:18:32 <LuHa> anyway 03:18:38 <LuHa> planetmaker: I success to your help. thanks 03:18:52 <Supercheese> try to identify with Nickserv 03:19:13 <Supercheese> I had to set up a command to auto-identify upon login to get the voice automatically assigned 03:19:22 <LuHa> (12:16:24) NickServ: (notice) You are successfully identified as LuHa. 03:19:35 <LuHa> hmm.. 03:19:37 <Supercheese> right, if you did that after login, you may need to relog 03:19:51 <Supercheese> I'm not entirely sure how the IRC business works 03:20:03 <LuHa> yeap, thanks 03:23:16 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:21 *** Fuco [foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:23:40 *** LuHa [~harny@211.199.146.31] has quit [Quit: good afternood :D i'll go lunch] 03:28:57 *** LuHa [~harny@211.199.146.31] has joined #openttd 03:50:42 *** LuHa [~harny@211.199.146.31] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:52:48 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has joined #openttd 04:06:54 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:36 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:33 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:34 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:57 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:23:11 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has joined #openttd 04:23:12 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:13 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has joined #openttd 04:49:44 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-204-11.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19:26 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:39:26 *** LuHa [~LunaticHa@114.207.204.28] has joined #openttd 05:39:55 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has joined #openttd 05:39:59 *** LuHa [~LunaticHa@114.207.204.28] has quit [] 05:40:22 *** LuHa [~LunaticHa@114.207.204.28] has joined #openttd 05:40:50 *** LuHa [~LunaticHa@114.207.204.28] has quit [] 05:48:42 *** LuHa [~LunaticHa@114.207.204.28] has joined #openttd 05:53:16 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-213-220-221-100.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:54:34 *** LuHa [~LunaticHa@114.207.204.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:55:55 <FrenkyPohodar> Hello. I have a question rename it somehow run a dedicated server? : (Me with two servers run under the same name. 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6675B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4358.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:11:40 *** LuHa [~LuHa@114.207.204.28] has joined #openttd 06:15:47 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:29 *** Fuco [foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 06:23:29 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-204-11.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 06:29:25 *** Pecio [~fgh@afrm33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:45:15 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-204-11.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:34 <planetmaker> moin 06:45:51 <V453000> hy! 06:46:51 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:01 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-204-11.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:00 <LuHa> hi 06:53:50 <Supercheese> 'lo 07:06:54 *** LuHa [~LuHa@114.207.204.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:14:32 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-213-220-221-100.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:15:53 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:24:06 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.246.248.18] has joined #openttd 07:24:35 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.246.248.18] has joined #openttd 07:39:32 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-213-220-221-100.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:43:16 <FrenkyPohodar> Have a nice day (in the morning) when you do not know how to run a dedicated server, enter the server name? So far I have found only one option and that should be corrected before starting openttd.cfg 07:45:18 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-83.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:52:58 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 07:55:53 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:02 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 08:20:26 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.246.248.18] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:23:50 <planetmaker> FrenkyPohodar, close down openttd, edit openttd.cfg, restart - like you said 08:25:24 <planetmaker> if you advertize the server, then the name need be known before that is done. So changing that afterwards does not work 08:27:08 <FrenkyPohodar> It would be better-N name server 08:28:08 <planetmaker> why would that be better? 08:28:46 <planetmaker> actually it would allow to start more easily a dos attack on our main server 08:29:59 <planetmaker> the server name also doesn't change with each map you play 08:30:21 <planetmaker> so it's a one-time setup thing 08:34:30 <FrenkyPohodar> Then edit it manually, the problem is that I wanted to run the second server and they then named the same is not possible to make settings (openttd.cfg) for each server separately? 08:35:42 <planetmaker> you need a separate cfg anyway - you cannot run from the same IP *and* port. At least the port it runs on needs to differ 08:35:54 <planetmaker> so yes, each server necessarily needs a separate cfg 08:36:14 <planetmaker> using the same fails on the operating system level 08:36:48 <planetmaker> or network level if you want to be more specific 08:42:52 <FrenkyPohodar> If I'm reading this correctly then it will be enough to add -c setting. cfg server startup 08:43:24 <planetmaker> yes 08:44:48 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 08:52:33 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 08:54:00 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [] 09:14:40 *** FrenkyPohodar [~oftc-webi@ip-213-220-221-100.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:18:47 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-60-225-68-124.hhui1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:25:50 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:07 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@adsl-68-123-204-11.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has 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[~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 10:32:19 *** dada__ [~chocobone@92.109.206.41] has joined #openttd 10:32:19 *** dada_ [~chocobone@92.109.206.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AEA3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:46 <dihedral> greetings 10:42:56 <zydeco> hello 10:58:10 *** LuHa [~LuHa@203.232.113.201] has joined #openttd 11:16:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:22:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-25-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:38:48 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:12:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:39:31 *** 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the ingame content download to obtain the AI? 13:43:03 <planetmaker> if not: make sure that you do not only download the AI, but also the libraries and to place those in the proper directory as well 14:00:18 *** Pecio [~fgh@afrm33.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 14:05:36 <krinn> the {SKIP} complain about english:16: error: Undefined command 'SKIP' 14:05:51 <krinn> but it seems it still burn arguments like expect 14:08:26 <krinn> or is it because it return a string and string isn't valid value for {COMPANY} : so {SKIP} doesn't work, but ottd ignore {COMPANY} because the param isn't integer ? 14:14:07 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: more likely you're interpreting your problem the wrong way 14:14:27 <krinn> could be that too :) 14:16:10 <krinn> how do i sort out {COMPANY} {COMPANY} no output for 2nd {COMPANY} when value is not a valid company? 14:16:20 <krinn> should i just pass -1 to the 2nd {COMPANY} ? 14:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you should have a second string with only one {COMPANY} 14:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and decide which one to use in the code that pushes the parameters 14:17:32 <krinn> and so define 15 strings for each possibilties 14:19:32 <krinn> i see that {SKIP} doesn't exist anymore from the ref page update you gave me 14:19:46 <krinn> (now i know why the complain against skip) 14:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> why 15 strings? 14:22:38 <krinn> 15 companies 14:23:04 <krinn> str0 : {COMPANY} str1: {COMPANY} {COMPANY}... 14:23:24 <Eddi|zuHause> STR_CONCAT:{STRING}{STRING} 14:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and then nest these 14:23:51 <krinn> can't concat, GS can't do 14:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you can, with this string 14:28:31 <krinn> got it thanks 14:34:44 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:43:35 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 14:43:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:53:07 *** tparker_ [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:28 <Eddi|zuHause> random idea: on web translator a "download this language" button that gets you the output of strgen, so translators can test their changes 14:53:38 *** tparker [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:09 <krinn> like example on http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Special_strings ? 14:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean? 14:56:14 <krinn> {CURRENCY64} -> ⬠10,000,000,00 14:56:32 <krinn> {VELOCITY} -> 120km/h or 195mph 14:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> can you construct full sentences please? 14:57:31 <krinn> those are example given in the url i have just post 14:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and? 14:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what does that have to do with anything? 14:58:38 <krinn> nothing, it's just for saying something 14:59:29 <peter1138> ... 14:59:34 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, file a feature request for the WT3 project so that it won't be forgotten. It's a good idea 14:59:48 <planetmaker> But no idea which can be dealt with quickly 15:01:32 <dihedral> Eddi Eddi Eddi ... 15:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: on devzone? there's only a wt2 on flyspray 15:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: what? 15:02:52 *** tparker_ is now known as tparker 15:02:56 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, WT3 is part of 'website' project 15:03:13 <planetmaker> on flyspray 15:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: ah 15:06:58 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, hi :-D 15:09:53 <Rubidium> krinn: {1:COMPANY}? 15:10:13 <Rubidium> also, the OpenTTDDevBlackBook should be blacklisted 15:10:39 <krinn> Rubidium, it should move company order when display if i get it right, so not that 15:11:24 <Rubidium> what parameters do you set exactly, and what kind of strings do you want to create? 15:11:28 <krinn> it's to have a string with : {COMPANY} {COMPANY}...{COMPANY} that is fill with company names, but when not all 15 are present, empty the missing ones 15:11:30 <Rubidium> one thing... {SKIP} is BAD 15:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: so have a string with: {STRING} {STRING} ... {STRING} and push either STR_COMPANY or STR_EMPTY 15:13:03 <krinn> and STR_EMPTY can just be... empty ? 15:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> STR_EMPTY: 15:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> STR_COMPANY:{COMPANY} 15:13:41 <krinn> but {STRING} is not {COMPANY} 15:14:03 <Rubidium> though that won't work with 15 companies as you only have a limit of 20 parameters 15:14:14 <Rubidium> even then, you'll have all kinds of intermittent spaces 15:14:26 <krinn> but when i use {SKIP} except the complain it seems to work 15:14:58 <krinn> it display company1 company2 and no "invalid or missing" message 15:15:13 <krinn> but the log put the {SKIP} is not a valid thing 15:15:46 <Rubidium> you can also use {KRINN} to get the exact same result 15:16:01 <krinn> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5804/getfile/9466/crash.png (lol my crash screenshot) 15:16:20 <krinn> look at The White House displaying companies 15:16:35 <krinn> with -> STR_AWARD_OWN_MULTI : Own by {NUM} compan{P y ies} : {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} {COMPANY} 15:18:01 <krinn> Rubidium maybe, but i would prefer a "don't bug the log" solve 15:18:15 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:19:04 <Rubidium> then just use 15 {COMPANY}s 15:19:17 <Rubidium> looks like the fail safe is to not draw anything when the company doesn't exist 15:19:42 <krinn> ah so i could pass integer -1 ? 15:20:15 <Rubidium> well, I'd use COMPANY_INVALID or so 15:20:42 <krinn> ok, will do with COMPANY_INVALID 15:22:33 *** LuHa [~LuHa@203.232.113.201] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:24:19 <krinn> great, no complain in log, and output is the same 15:32:08 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:57 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.203.104.220] has joined #openttd 15:52:25 *** zydeco [~zydeco@236.69.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:32 <andythenorth> o/ 15:56:47 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:12 <krinn> hi andythenorth 16:20:41 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-21-50.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:22:19 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:02 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has joined #openttd 16:35:01 *** LuHa-Mobile [~androirc@110.70.30.24] has joined #openttd 16:35:03 *** LuHa-Mobile [~androirc@110.70.30.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:26 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.53.200] has joined #openttd 16:36:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:38 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:28 *** LuHa-M [~androirc@175.203.104.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:37 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.53.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:51 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.53.200] has joined #openttd 16:53:47 *** zydeco [~zydeco@230.75.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:00:05 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/rNsYO3P.png 17:00:18 <NGC3982> Yeah, better keep that milk safe. 17:03:43 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has joined #openttd 17:07:03 <peter1138> Eh? 17:08:22 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:08:43 <planetmaker> seems like a armoured transport which transports milk 17:09:00 <planetmaker> mice milk most likely 17:09:24 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has joined #openttd 17:11:20 <NGC3982> Indeed. 17:17:54 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.81.101] has joined #openttd 17:23:20 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:52 <krinn> what is the url to push @ devzone with ssh ? 17:26:08 <planetmaker> ssh://hg@hg.openttdcoop.org/PROJECTNAME 17:26:34 <krinn> thank you planetmaker (should be put with the readonly message) 17:26:40 <krinn> (should also be put in my mind of course) 17:49:00 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:49:47 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:58:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:38 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 17:59:46 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:59:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 18:03:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 18:03:23 <NGC3982> Isn't there a bunch of people from Moldovia in this channel? 18:09:56 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:45 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 18:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody have an idea how i run ntfsresize on a qemu disk image? 18:13:54 <zydeco> you'd have to resize the file first, probably 18:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i have run qemu-img resize 18:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> now i can either use the windows tools in the vm or the linux tools on the raw file to resize the disk 18:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> where the former is probably tricky as it's the system partition 18:15:24 <planetmaker> make a backup of the file and try :-) 18:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> plenty of backups :) 18:15:55 <zydeco> sounds like it should work if it's a raw file 18:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... fdisk doesn't want to do as i want 18:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the existing partition: 18:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System 18:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> windowsxp/disk0-clone.raw1 * 63 16755794 8377866 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT 18:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but when i delete it and create a new one, it wants "start" as minimum 2048 18:21:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so i can't input 63 18:21:55 <^Spike^> if all else fails blame windows.... :) 18:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that's tricky if windows isn't running :p 18:22:16 <^Spike^> aka i don't know :) 18:22:19 *** rubenwardy [~rubenward@host86-150-248-123.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:27 <^Spike^> windows can break without it running :D 18:22:31 <^Spike^> it's the special powers it has :D 18:22:36 <zydeco> lol 18:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but still, this is linux fdisk 18:23:09 <^Spike^> you're trying to overrule my theory! :) 18:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 18:23:18 <rubenwardy> Hi all 18:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, gtg... 18:36:13 <Bloody_Mikey> how do i activate a setting in midgame whitour restating the server 18:37:51 <planetmaker> rcon 18:39:13 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:42:36 *** aditsu [~aditsu@183178080020.ctinets.com] has joined #openttd 18:43:07 <aditsu> hi, which stations affect a town's growth? 18:43:40 <planetmaker> 1,2,3,4 and 5 18:44:02 <aditsu> haha, I mean, it seems they have to be within a certain distance of the town center? 18:44:25 <aditsu> or what's the criterion? 18:44:41 <planetmaker> you can check which land belongs to a town with the land query tool 18:44:50 <planetmaker> yes, they need to be in the influence area of the town 18:45:18 <planetmaker> usually the stations then have a name like "{TOWN} central" or "{TOWN} Mine" 18:45:35 <planetmaker> though... they have that, too outside... hm. But land query tool is clear :-) 18:45:46 <aditsu> I have an airport that doesn't seem to be considered 18:45:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26035 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-11-18 18:45:49 UTC) 18:46:00 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:01 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 1 changes by KorneySan 18:46:02 <DorpsGek> catalan - 1 changes by juanjo 18:46:03 <DorpsGek> dutch - 1 changes by habell 18:46:04 <DorpsGek> french - 28 changes by glx 18:46:05 <DorpsGek> german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:46:06 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 7 changes by Trond 18:46:07 <DorpsGek> spanish - 2 changes by Terkhen 18:46:21 <aditsu> local authority? or what should I look at? 18:46:25 <planetmaker> the tile under the station sign matters 18:46:33 <planetmaker> yeah 18:47:04 <aditsu> ahaha, that corner has "none", the rest of the airport is on town's tiles 18:47:29 <planetmaker> :-) 18:47:48 <aditsu> thanks for the info 19:01:09 *** LuHa [~LuHa@175.203.104.220] has joined #openttd 19:06:32 <andythenorth> I miss yesterday's visitor 19:07:59 <peter1138> who? 19:08:31 <andythenorth> I can only recommend the logs for this time yesterday 19:08:39 <andythenorth> :P 19:09:13 <planetmaker> the godwin invoker? 19:09:16 <andythenorth> yup 19:09:23 <andythenorth> who then pm-ed me a few times asking what happened 19:09:34 <andythenorth> I think it was 100% legitimate, not a bot 19:09:52 <planetmaker> yeah, you were not the only one as I heard 19:15:34 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5262.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:38 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 19:30:00 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:35:09 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26036 trunk/src/gfx_layout.cpp (2013-11-18 19:35:06 UTC) 19:35:10 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5809]: multi line text was handled incorrectly causing glitches 19:36:53 <LordAro> "const char *&str" looks wrong in my (inexperienced) eyes 19:37:00 <LordAro> what's it actually pointing to? 19:37:52 <rubenwardy> One of my towns reach 10,000! What do yours look like? 19:40:07 <Rubidium> LordAro: it's a reference to a pointer 19:40:51 <Kjetil> *shrug* references.. 19:41:37 <LordAro> right. and can that not be represented by "const char str" (i know it can't, but my "understanding" of '*' and '&' is that they're somewhat opposite of each other) 19:42:09 <planetmaker> rubenwardy, http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_91_-_100#gameid_96 <--- like that ;-) 19:42:12 <frosch123> no, they are most right-associative 19:42:25 <Kjetil> That's in C. C++ in its infinite wisdom reused a lot of the tokens from C in new ways 19:42:26 <rubenwardy> 2m! 19:42:36 <frosch123> LordAro: basically, everything that you can mess up with c syntax, is messed up 19:42:43 <LordAro> :3 19:42:53 * LordAro sticks to smart pointers in c++ :p 19:42:59 <frosch123> & and * are only some of ther worst syntaxes 19:43:25 <Kjetil> Don't you just love struct constructors ? :P 19:43:25 <Alberth> adding parentheses can and does help in these cases :) 19:43:25 <frosch123> LordAro: you should still learn & though 19:43:33 <frosch123> specifically const & 19:43:35 <LordAro> yes, i think i understand that 19:43:58 <frosch123> const-references are important, esp. when using smart pointers 19:44:38 <andythenorth> presumably the articulated vehicle ID limit is some limitation due to word-sized vars or something? 19:44:47 <andythenorth> and not easy to increase? 19:45:14 <frosch123> it's limited by the cb result 19:45:20 <frosch123> and if you hit it, you are doing something wrong :) 19:45:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host168-170-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:45:29 <Wolf01> moin 19:45:35 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 19:46:57 <andythenorth> frosch123: we'll probably hit it with Iron Horse. And I'm probably going to be watching a huge compile :( 19:47:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26037 trunk/src/gfx_layout.cpp (2013-11-18 19:47:43 UTC) 19:47:50 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26036): there was a reason they weren't references... 19:48:51 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.3.2, 1.3.3-RC1 19:48:51 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.2, 1.3.3-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 19:49:10 <andythenorth> more releases :) 19:49:53 <andythenorth> so we (can't remember who) talked once about some kind of grf container format 19:50:03 * rubenwardy now has a triple track 19:50:11 <andythenorth> so bananas etc would see one package, but it would be implemented as multiple grfs 19:52:01 <andythenorth> one grf would be nominated as the master for the package, and provide action 14 stuff 19:52:27 *** DanMacK [~d83be170@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:52:27 <frosch123> didn't you once said 10 engines are enough? 19:52:32 <DanMacK> Hey all 19:52:42 <andythenorth> hey DanMacK :) 19:53:01 <andythenorth> he must have 6th sense :) 19:53:06 <DanMacK> lol 19:53:55 <andythenorth> DanMacK: so how many 'sets' are we thinking for IH? 19:54:09 <andythenorth> (worth talking about here, not on pm) 19:54:25 <DanMacK> I dunno, I've got a few in mind 19:54:45 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.81.101] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.2 Beta Build (2013/11/18-2) 64 Bit] 19:55:26 <DanMacK> Def want to do a Chinese inspired, Russian, Ireland, NA (US and Canada), Aussie, New Zealand... 19:55:28 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.81.101] has joined #openttd 19:55:50 <andythenorth> and each set uses 500 (or 1,000) IDs 19:55:51 <DanMacK> a "light rail" type that has small stuff for island shuttling use 19:56:04 <andythenorth> and we (probably) want them all in one grf 19:56:04 <DanMacK> how many have we got to play with? 19:56:11 <andythenorth> 16383 or so 19:56:15 <andythenorth> -1000 for 'stuff' 19:56:18 <DanMacK> I was thinking separate - pick and choose 19:56:34 <DanMacK> or one - see what happens 19:56:51 <andythenorth> any other opinions here? One Iron Horse grf with params, or lots of Iron Horse grfs? 19:58:23 <andythenorth> from a playing p.o.v I dislike managing lots of grfs 19:58:39 <andythenorth> from a 'well nml is slow' p.o.v. I like separate grfs :P 19:58:57 <Rubidium> andythenorth: use eddi-nml? 19:59:08 <andythenorth> it's unsupported I believe :P 19:59:14 <andythenorth> the author gave me that impression :) 20:00:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:32 *** rubenwardy [~rubenward@host86-150-248-123.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26038 trunk/src/script/api/script_info_docs.hpp (2013-11-18 20:09:09 UTC) 20:09:16 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Doxygen syntax. 20:13:19 <frosch123> andy is a mistery to me :) 20:13:52 <andythenorth> :( 20:14:06 <frosch123> some month ago he complained about huge purchase lists, when 10 vehicles would be enough. and now he wants to code a grf with 500 purchase list items or more 20:14:28 <andythenorth> nah 20:14:31 <andythenorth> 10 was pikka 20:14:32 <frosch123> definitely go for separate grfs imo 20:14:42 <andythenorth> and I want one set of these vehicles enabled at once 20:14:53 <andythenorth> I think 30 is about right, depending on game length 20:15:11 <andythenorth> I don't think it's much work to compile separate grfs from one codebase 20:16:10 <andythenorth> I guess I can test that :) 20:16:23 <andythenorth> also I won't be staring into a future with 10 minute compile time :) 20:22:45 *** krinn [~krinn@185.196.74.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: planetmaker, thanks for the push hint at devzone :)] 20:22:48 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:22:56 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 20:27:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:29:42 <montalvo> can anyone tell me where crash logs are sent to on os x? 20:30:33 <planetmaker> ~/Documents/OpenTTD/crash* 20:30:40 <montalvo> thanks 20:30:45 <montalvo> i've been getting a pesky crash :( 20:31:15 <planetmaker> you tried our new release candidate 1.3.3-RC1? 20:31:25 <montalvo> yeah that's the one i'm on 20:31:29 <montalvo> i think it might be the AI crash again? 20:32:10 <planetmaker> "the AI crash"? 20:32:36 <montalvo> essentially, the game crashes on os x as soon as an AI starts play 20:33:09 <glx> any AI or a specific one ? 20:33:16 <montalvo> any AI 20:33:45 <montalvo> i'm trying to dig up the bug report for you 20:34:18 <montalvo> this one, i believe: https://bugs.openttd.org/task/5100 20:34:19 <Rubidium> sounds like FS#5100 20:34:27 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:35:04 <montalvo> i *think* i got around it by compiling my own version of one of the newer nightlies 20:35:09 *** Markk_ [mark@host155-38.etanet.se] has joined #openttd 20:35:47 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-50dd93-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:14 <montalvo> anyway yeah i just started a game on 1.3.3-RC1 without AIs and it runs fine 20:36:21 <Rubidium> sounds like gcc is broken or so 20:36:41 <Rubidium> too bad the CF uses a really ancient version of gcc 20:36:52 <montalvo> i compiled my own version with gcc and it ran fine i think 20:37:14 <Rubidium> but your gcc != the gcc on the compile farm, I'd reckon 20:37:19 <montalvo> oh for sure, yeaj 20:38:04 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:55 <montalvo> i just went back to my self-compiled version of one of the nightly builds and that seems to crash for some other reason. it used to run fine on mountain lion so presumably it's an issue to do with mavericks 20:41:40 *** DanMacK [~d83be170@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:53 <LordAro> Rubidium: switch to clang ;) (on osx) 20:45:27 <Rubidium> LordAro: and how does one do that? 20:45:41 <Rubidium> or rather... please provide a cross compile environment ;) 20:45:43 <LordAro> in the same way that you tell the CF to use an old version of gcc? 20:46:44 <planetmaker> LordAro, you really want to know? 20:47:06 <LordAro> probably not :3 20:47:07 <Rubidium> LordAro: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/compile-farm/apple-darwin9.txt <- so, where's the equivalent for clang? 20:47:24 <planetmaker> rubi was faster than me :D 20:47:59 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:48:00 <Rubidium> also... we were never able to create a working CF with newer gccs than the one mentioned there 20:48:15 <LordAro> :( 20:48:18 <LordAro> looks scary 20:55:49 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20:55:53 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 20:56:26 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 21:04:23 *** apiecux [~apiecux@ui89-892t.21z4-ee.ldti.srv.parano.me] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:07:17 <LordAro> Rubidium, planetmaker: but, i do not see what the problem may be. obviously cut out the gcc part, and provide configure with "CC=clang" 21:07:46 <planetmaker> LordAro, the obvious problem is to compile the compiler 21:07:58 <planetmaker> a cross compiler working on linux, compiling an osx binary 21:08:05 <LordAro> hmm, yes 21:08:22 *** apiecux [~apiecux@ui89-892t.21z4-ee.ldti.srv.parano.me] has joined #openttd 21:08:25 <planetmaker> and the other parts of the toolchain which it might need as well 21:09:02 <LordAro> well, maybe: http://clang.llvm.org/docs/CrossCompilation.html 21:09:20 <LordAro> "Clang/LLVM is natively a cross-compiler..." 21:09:43 <LordAro> obviously, i don't know all that much about compilers (or cross-compiling) but.. that seems helpful :) 21:10:13 * planetmaker adds a bookmark to that page 21:10:19 <LordAro> :D 21:10:31 <Rubidium> LordAro: gcc is a cross-compiler itself as well 21:10:42 <aditsu> planetmaker: hey, so after growing that city for a while, it seems that it counts my airport now, but the station tile still has no local authority 21:12:34 <LordAro> Rubidium: but it seems not to work correctly? besides, it's pretty much deprecated on osx 21:12:43 <LordAro> (it == gcc) 21:12:52 <Rubidium> LordAro: and has clang already worked? 21:13:33 <LordAro> obviously not, but at least it's not 8 years old 21:13:39 <LordAro> it can't hurt to investigate a bit 21:13:57 <planetmaker> many things don't hurt :D 21:14:01 <LordAro> ;) 21:14:10 <Rubidium> i.e. spend 100+ hours trying to figure out whether you can create something that might compile 21:14:27 <LordAro> i'll let you have that point ;) 21:15:08 <LordAro> if i get sufficiently bored, i may investigate myself (y'know, funsies), but obviously i don't have access to a mac 21:15:27 <LordAro> or the libraries sdks contained within 21:15:37 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 21:15:42 <LordAro> s/sdks/or sdks/ 21:15:44 <planetmaker> you can get the sdks for not more than registering with apple.com 21:17:31 <Rubidium> LordAro: you think TrueBrain had when he did create the cross compiler? 21:17:51 <LordAro> true :) 21:18:17 <LordAro> but he does mention copying the libraries across from a mac 21:18:43 <glx> LordAro: because it's easier than to try to open a dmg ;) 21:18:52 <Rubidium> yeah... begging for those files via IRC 21:19:05 <Rubidium> glx: 7z now opens dmgs, so that shouldn't be a problem anymore 21:19:32 <glx> not all IIRC 21:19:46 <glx> well last time I tried 21:20:33 <LordAro> ouch 21:20:50 <Rubidium> and you have to hope that everything to compile a proper compiler for OS X is available in the clang you find on the clang website 21:21:10 <Rubidium> I suspect that the clang apple uses is a significantly modified variant 21:21:33 <LordAro> if i understand the clang link above, i shouldn't have to compile clang specially 21:23:58 <LordAro> glx: according to the internet, 7z(ip) opens dmg files 21:23:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AEA3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:27 <glx> Rubidium: like they did for gcc ? 21:24:59 <Rubidium> exactly 21:25:05 *** zydeco [~zydeco@230.75.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.171.8] has joined #openttd 21:25:18 <Rubidium> LordAro: oh, you definitely have to 21:25:26 <LordAro> apple is a major contributor to clang, they have no reason to, really 21:25:37 <LordAro> (yes, i know that doesn't mean anything :L ) 21:28:15 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g229173058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:29:25 <LordAro> Rubidium: you sure? that documentation page doesn't mention it 21:30:03 <planetmaker> easiest way: test and prove :-) 21:30:08 <LordAro> :p 21:30:13 <michi_cc> I'd start at http://www.opensource.apple.com/release/developer-tools-46/, if apple obeys all licenses those sources should be enough. 21:32:03 *** imachine [~imachine@2a00:dcc0:eda:3754:216:3cff:fe01:8973] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:13 *** imachine [~imachine@2a00:dcc0:eda:3754:216:3cff:fe01:8973] has joined #openttd 21:33:55 <Rubidium> LordAro: clang: warning: argument unused during compilation: '-arch x86-apple-darwin9' 21:34:12 <Rubidium> yet... -arch is the one to select a target to compile for 21:34:36 <LordAro> not according to that documentation page 21:35:23 <LordAro> you want "-target x86-apple-darwin" i think 21:36:02 <Rubidium> LordAro: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2823/ 21:36:19 * LordAro shrugs 21:37:13 <LordAro> my `clang --help` says otherwise 21:37:21 <LordAro> arch is not there, target is 21:37:36 <LordAro> (clang 3.3) 21:38:42 <Rubidium> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2824/ <- not really helpful either 21:39:06 <Rubidium> oh good... 21:39:24 <Rubidium> compiling cctools fails well... basically immediately 21:44:37 <Rubidium> oh joy... still need the proper SDK I fear 21:44:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:44:53 <LordAro> i'd be surprised if it was otherwise :) 21:46:10 <Rubidium> so, who fancies giving me the latest xcode dvd dmg? 21:46:53 <Rubidium> oh sorry, not newest... the 4.6 one 21:47:19 <Rubidium> how old that may be 21:47:39 <michi_cc> I don't think there is any, new(er) Xcode are Mac App Store downloads. 21:47:55 <Rubidium> xcode 5 21:48:09 <planetmaker> michi_cc, but you can download those w/o appstore from developer site 21:48:16 <planetmaker> including xcode 5 21:49:12 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:14 <planetmaker> https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action <-- needs (free) login 21:49:19 <Rubidium> I only think that going for a newer SDK also means dropping support for many older ones 21:49:21 <planetmaker> offers also Xcode 5.0.2 21:49:34 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:34 <planetmaker> oldest I see there is SDK 10.4 21:49:58 <planetmaker> 10.4.0 21:50:27 <Rubidium> oh, so the wikipedia page isn't telling the whole story 21:50:30 <planetmaker> and Xcode 2.3 and Xcode Tools 1.0 21:51:30 <Rubidium> anyhow, I can't be bothered to enter like 50 fields to sign up for something I don't actually want 21:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody solved my fdisk problem yet? 21:51:50 <Rubidium> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda ? 21:52:03 *** dada__ [~chocobone@92.109.206.41] has quit [Quit: goodbyte] 21:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the disk partition is set as "start=63" but if i delete it and create a new partition i can only enter numbers >=2048 21:56:05 <michi_cc> Rubidium: I have a Xcode 3.2.6 image somewhere 21:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, there's an "expert" mode that lets me move the beginning 21:59:49 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:53 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:14 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:46 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-50dd93-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:03:40 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 22:03:43 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.38.0] has joined #openttd 22:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Successfully resized NTFS on device '/dev/loop2'. that sounds promising 22:07:58 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:20 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, something isn't working 22:11:19 <Rubidium> michi_cc: I found some other way to get the dmg 22:16:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:27 <Rubidium> oh splendid... 7z can't handle it anymore :( 22:17:54 <LordAro> it's supposed to :L 22:18:33 <LordAro> i assume you have a version that's less than 5 years old? 22:18:37 <LordAro> http://www.7-zip.org/history.txt 22:19:59 <Rubidium> 2010-11-18 22:21:45 <frosch123> night 22:21:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5262.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:24:20 <LordAro> Rubidium: hmm, yes, same 22:24:50 <LordAro> hmm, in the 9.29 alpha "- DMG support was improved" 22:24:54 <LordAro> might be relevant 22:26:47 <LordAro> peazip claims it has full support for dmg, try that? 22:27:55 <Rubidium> that ain't in Debian :( 22:28:10 <LordAro> :( 22:28:31 <LordAro> there's a .deb: http://peazip.sourceforge.net/peazip-linux.html 22:31:17 <Rubidium> joy... 32 bits 22:31:23 <LordAro> :L 22:31:48 <Rubidium> oh... hidden away 64 bit 22:32:31 <Rubidium> ah, that seems succesful 22:32:51 <Rubidium> except that it needs a password 22:33:12 <LordAro> the dmg? :L 22:33:40 <Rubidium> the 3.hfs inside it 22:33:50 <LordAro> ha 22:34:22 <Rubidium> so no OS X CF based on 4.6.3 by me 22:35:11 <LordAro> :L 22:36:11 <LordAro> there's nothing (obvious) mentioned about it on the internets 22:36:23 <LordAro> is that the sdk download? 22:36:26 <Rubidium> well, I reckon OS X's finder has the key 22:37:01 <LordAro> possible 22:39:37 <Rubidium> but this, again, shows that Apple doesn't fancy cross compiling to OS X 22:40:02 <LordAro> of course not, doesn't mean it's not possible 22:40:10 <Rubidium> and it doesn't allow running it on anything but OS X hardware 22:40:18 <Rubidium> s/OS X/Apple/ 22:40:29 <Rubidium> and it doesn't have rack mounted hardware 22:40:29 * LordAro is in no way defending the idiot policies of apple 22:41:10 <Rubidium> so, I guess we're back to just dropping support for gcc < 4.4 ;) 22:41:27 <LordAro> i wouldn't say no, personally 22:41:52 <Rubidium> although... < 4.6, after all 4.5 isn't supported anyhow 22:41:58 <LordAro> other than the apple CF, you'd only lose people who use strange OSs, like amiga 22:42:38 <Rubidium> dropping support is more like "not supporting it for creating binaries" 22:43:11 <Rubidium> but sadly enough it doesn't really work, because then $random person is going to post binaries on the forum 22:43:29 <LordAro> could you not "support it for creating binaries" in that pm or someone similar builds it themselves and uploads it to openttd.org ? 22:43:49 <Rubidium> LordAro: *every* night? 22:43:52 <glx> every day ? 22:43:59 <LordAro> obviously not for nightlies 22:44:00 <planetmaker> oh hell, please no 22:44:10 <glx> for releases that's possible 22:44:10 <LordAro> releases and candidates 22:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what do linux console people use for hex editing? 22:44:28 <planetmaker> then it gets less testing, more buggy releases etc 22:44:42 <LordAro> quite a few of the people who use nightlies on osx can compile themselves anyway 22:44:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: hexedit? 22:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no such commmand 22:45:04 <Rubidium> LordAro: and a larger amount can't 22:45:13 <Rubidium> but those that can't usually don't show up here 22:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and no such package either 22:45:22 <LordAro> but who cares about them? 22:45:32 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: i have it ;) 22:45:52 <planetmaker> LordAro, that's the whole point... so that people can *easily* test it 22:46:35 <LordAro> well, make it a temporary measure while you work on updating/fix the CF ;) 22:47:04 <Rubidium> LordAro: it is extremely tedious to upload a file into the download system 22:47:06 <planetmaker> why should we disable it - for a single bug? 22:47:30 <Rubidium> and ... fehlerhaft 22:47:58 <Rubidium> or isn't that the right word? 22:48:10 <LordAro> faulty, according to google 22:48:37 <planetmaker> fehlertrÀchtig, I'd assume, Rubidium 22:49:01 <planetmaker> but I don't know exactly what aspect you try to emphasize 22:49:26 <planetmaker> fehlerhaft = buggy; fehlertrÀchtig = simple to be done wrongly 22:50:14 <Rubidium> oh lovely... 22:50:30 <Rubidium> the one you mentioned gets mostly 'buggy' as well in translations 22:50:33 <Rubidium> maybe fehleranfÀllig is better? 22:50:35 <LordAro> there's nothing wrong with suspending auto builds for a platform you can't properly support 22:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... "ht" i have 22:50:54 <planetmaker> yeah, fehleranfÀllig ~= fehlertrÀchtig 22:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i never heard the word "fehlertrÀchtig" before 22:52:59 <planetmaker> you're known to have a particular dialect ;-) 22:53:30 <Rubidium> LordAro: under that premise we should drop OS X and Windows 22:53:51 <LordAro> i think you have at least some windows developers ;) 22:54:08 <glx> not very active ;) 22:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> people always tell me i have very little dialect :p 22:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause> (unless i speak english) 22:54:42 <LordAro> glx: :p 22:54:52 <Rubidium> LordAro: take a look at the bug tracker, sort by ID, then from the bottom go though the first 16. Which is more prominent? 22:54:58 <planetmaker> yeah, little for people living near saxony :-) 22:55:49 <Rubidium> having said that, 2/3 OS X issues are probably the broken CF 22:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause> fuck you, fdisk. hexedit works way better... 22:56:17 <Rubidium> 5/5 Windows issues seem to have nothing to do with the CF 22:56:31 <LordAro> :p 23:00:14 <LordAro> hmm, https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action doesn't seem to be working 23:00:36 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.38.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:12 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 23:04:19 <planetmaker> it needs log-in, lobster 23:04:24 <planetmaker> hmpf. LordAro ^ 23:05:25 <LordAro> done that 23:07:53 <LordAro> ah, that's better, i hadn't registered correctly, apparently 23:08:31 <LordAro> so i don't want xcode 5? 23:08:43 <planetmaker> dunno. what do you want? :-) 23:08:47 <LordAro> dunno 23:08:54 <LordAro> i have no idea what i'm doing 23:08:55 <planetmaker> xcode5 is for 10.8 + 10.9 SDKs 23:09:13 <planetmaker> CF uses 10.4u SDK 23:09:42 <glx> latest powerpc SDK 23:09:47 <planetmaker> yep 23:10:12 <LordAro> is supporting ppc really necessary anymore? :L 23:10:17 <planetmaker> it wouldn't hurt to compile two... 10.3.9 ... 10.5. And 10.6+ 23:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: allegedly ppc support is the least problematic 23:10:41 <planetmaker> LordAro, it's the only big-endian OS - CPU combination we support 23:11:00 <planetmaker> thus it's a nice test case for endianess stuff 23:11:14 <planetmaker> could be interesting for some ARM stuff in the future :-) 23:11:30 <glx> we already have 3 windows builds 23:11:39 <planetmaker> yeah, that's why 23:11:58 <planetmaker> 10.6+ wouldn't even need to be universal. just 32bit suffices 23:12:18 <glx> OSX is not 64bit ? 23:12:25 <planetmaker> though... 64bit wouldn't hurt; I doubt there's any 32bit OS in 10.6+ 23:12:37 * LordAro downloads xcode 4.6.2 for lolz 23:12:48 <NGC3982> The Swedish Aftonbladet (sensationalistic newspaper) just described the "Highly trained monkeys'-error message as a hacker attack. 23:12:51 <planetmaker> 10.4 already started the transition to 64 bit 23:12:59 <NGC3982> My faith in humanity got a mild stroke. 23:13:01 <planetmaker> and supported that somewhat 23:13:36 <planetmaker> 10.5 afaik 'finished' the transition 23:18:35 <Wolf01> 'night 23:18:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:34:13 *** Speedy [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.171.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:17 *** Speedy` [~speedy@the.wrong.domain.name] has joined #openttd 23:43:38 *** Speedy` is now known as Speedy 23:47:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:53:08 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 23:59:08 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88]