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Log for #openttd on 30th November 2013:
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02:11:31  <Wolf01> 'night
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03:02:22  <alluke> burp
03:03:19  <alluke> why do i always listen to emotional music when drunk
03:03:36  <alluke> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOnvcM3ldpo
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03:15:35  <alluke> faith and love may be deadbu theres always hope
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09:17:58  <andythenorth> o/
09:18:21  <Rubidium> o/
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09:21:30  <Eddi|zuHause> /o
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09:29:58  <planetmaker> moin
09:30:38  <V453000> yh
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10:34:42  <Wolf01> hi hi
10:35:38  <planetmaker> hi
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11:10:38  <Alberth> moin
11:11:23  <Wolf01> hello Alberth
11:11:35  <Alberth> o/
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11:30:33  <planetmaker> *poof* o/
11:32:10  <LordAro> /o planetmaker
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12:46:12  <Wolf01> oooooh train simulator 2014 -82% on steam
12:47:23  <peter1138> I know :(
12:47:59  <planetmaker> good or bad?
12:48:08  <Wolf01> both
12:49:20  <peter1138> Yeah... it's downloading now...
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13:03:50  <__ln__> i guess i need it too
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13:06:01  <Wolf01> I need half of the games on steam, but I must not fall in the trap again, I already purchased enough bundles to play for the rest of my days
13:11:09  <Alberth> so you don't really need them :p
13:11:53  <Wolf01> it's like chocolate, do you really need it?
13:12:07  <Eddi|zuHause> YES!!
13:14:41  <Alberth> even if you have enough chocolate in your house to last a life time?
13:15:54  <Japa_> If I had a house full of chocolate, I'd use it to get girls
13:17:04  <planetmaker> One of my best doesn't like chocoloate. No idea what's wrong with her :P
13:17:10  <planetmaker> *best friends
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13:17:31  <__ln__> Wolf01: you need to outsource
13:19:24  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: no matter how much chocolate it is, it will never ever last that long
13:20:37  <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: you may be very lucky not to have that much chocolate then :)
13:21:32  <Eddi|zuHause> chocolate is like free HDD space
13:22:00  <Eddi|zuHause> no matter how much you got, it immediately is gone
13:22:18  <Alberth> :)
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13:56:51  <Wolf01> I've just open my 80% cocoa chocolate table.. not bar, table.
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17:00:04  <andythenorth> o/
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17:19:32  <andythenorth> @seen danmack
17:19:33  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
17:22:08  <planetmaker> probobaly covered under metres of snow :D
17:29:49  <andythenorth> hmm, I can disable breakdown smoke?
17:29:59  <andythenorth> maybe that's just trains
17:30:03  * andythenorth looks in spec
17:30:49  <andythenorth> oh yeah
17:31:02  <andythenorth> I forgot, it's a train game
17:31:23  <andythenorth> yay, prop 17 has it for ships too :)
17:31:34  <andythenorth> nice
17:32:29  <andythenorth> should I disable breakdown smoke for ships?
17:39:41  <kero> I don't think
17:39:59  <kero> even if it shows a little bit weird for the wood hugs
17:40:22  <kero> smoke is useful to actually see that there's a breakdown
17:40:48  <kero> (hi, btw)
17:48:04  <skyem123> Hmmm...
17:48:33  <skyem123> is the REplay version of transport tycoon the windows one or dos one.
17:49:53  <juzza1> change the smoke offset?
17:50:51  <juzza1> oh, i didnt really think this through
17:51:13  <juzza1> was thinking about the normal smoke/visual effect :P
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18:01:42  <planetmaker> yeah, I prefer a visual feedback for broken vehicles, too
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18:35:03  <NGC3982_> Is connecting multiple airports to one possible by configuration?
18:35:29  <Super_Random> hmm
18:35:32  <Super_Random> I actually don't know
18:35:37  <Super_Random> never used airports that much
18:38:01  <planetmaker> one airport per station. Not more
18:45:29  <peter1138> Hmm, can't see how to renew certificates on this firewall :S
18:47:17  <peter1138> Seems I have to create a new identity with a new CSR every time, then switch all the config to use the new identity. Seems dumb...
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18:57:15  <NGC3982_> PM: Allright.
18:58:44  <Sacro> Why do I have to accept the GPL to install OpenTTD on Windows?
18:59:18  <Sacro> It's a redistribution licence, not a usage one
18:59:26  <Sacro> @seen Bjarni
18:59:26  <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 7 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
19:02:57  <peter1138> A lot of stuff does that :(
19:07:06  <Sacro> And OpenTTD shouldn't
19:07:19  <Sacro> I declined the GPL and it wouldn't install, that there's a bug
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19:08:46  <V453000> enjoy having problems
19:11:02  <LordAro> Sacro: i'm sure you're able to raise a bug report, if it really matters to you ;)
19:12:21  <Sacro> Euggggggh
19:12:24  <Sacro> I don't raise bug reports
19:12:44  <LordAro> well you're not entitled to complain when things are broken then ;)
19:13:20  <Sacro> That's just not true
19:14:07  <LordAro> s/you're not entitled/it's a bit pointless/
19:15:13  <juzza1> you are not forced to do anything, but the best way for you to get your suggestion through is to make a bug report
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19:34:19  <Sacro> so you can use "content upgrade" to get the new files off bananas
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19:34:29  <Sacro> but how do you get openttd.cfg to recognise them in a new game?
19:35:52  <planetmaker> edit openttd.cfg?
19:35:57  <Sacro> Yeah
19:36:00  <LordAro> why do you want openttd.cfg to recognise them? you can just add them in the newgrf settings
19:36:03  <Sacro> I hoped it'd be more automated than that
19:36:08  <Sacro> LordAro: not on a dedicated server
19:36:35  <LordAro> true
19:36:38  <planetmaker> Sacro, how could it? How can OpenTTD decide which NewGRFs you want to have on your server? Whether you want to use this or that or both, but not another?
19:37:08  <planetmaker> there absolutely is no way OpenTTD can ever decide which NewGRF *you* want
19:37:45  <planetmaker> even not when one assumes that you only want NewGRFs which are the 'latest version' of them
19:37:48  <frosch123> since when is the opinion of the player important?
19:38:19  <LordAro> ^^
19:38:25  <planetmaker> :D
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19:43:13  <Sacro> planetmaker: they share GRFID
19:43:18  <Sacro> surely that gives half a clue
19:43:27  <Sacro> And given it can auto update
19:43:36  <glx> there's no grfid in .cfg
19:43:44  <Sacro> there's no reason it couldn't pull in the new .tar and then add itself into [newgrf] section
19:49:11  <peter1138> Heh, TS2014 back to £20.99
19:52:01  <Sacro> TAI doesn't seem to be overriding default tree plac
19:52:36  <planetmaker> tree placement is not newgrf-able
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19:57:36  <Sacro> I meant forest
19:58:27  <frosch123> forest of houses?
20:04:07  <Sacro> TAI basic industries isn't removing all the default forests
20:04:13  <Sacro> @seen Pikka
20:04:13  <DorpsGek> Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 8 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Pikka> wombatbuses
20:04:19  <Sacro> @seen Pikka*
20:04:19  <DorpsGek> Sacro: Pikka* could be Pikka (8 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 19 seconds ago), pikkas (41 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes, and 28 seconds ago), pikka2 (47 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 54 minutes, and 23 seconds ago), Pikka_ (1 year, 33 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), Pikka|afk (3 years, 36 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago), or Pikkaaa (3 years, 37 (1 more message)
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20:26:21  <andythenorth> hmm
20:26:26  <andythenorth> so I might play a game
20:26:31  <andythenorth> :P
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20:27:02  <andythenorth> controversial
20:27:09  <andythenorth> I still don't understand cargodist
20:27:35  <frosch123> is that a good thing?
20:27:46  <frosch123> usually games are more fun if you do not understand them completely
20:28:25  <frosch123> it leaves room for interpretation and imagination :)
20:28:27  <andythenorth> :)
20:29:02  <andythenorth> last game I tried was a mess
20:30:27  <andythenorth> I approached it like YACD
20:30:33  <andythenorth> and I tried using autorefit
20:30:42  <andythenorth> one of those is wrong, and one of those is broken
20:31:25  <andythenorth> so I guess I should forget about YACD-style play
20:31:34  <andythenorth> and also forget about autorefit :)
20:31:48  <Alberth> initial setup of auto-refit is somewhat more complicated than what you'd ideally want
20:32:03  <andythenorth> it's too fragile
20:32:19  <andythenorth> having to change that 'distribute cargo to stations even without a demand' switch is not at all obvious
20:32:40  <andythenorth> and then having cargo waiting everywhere makes it hard to figure out what cdist is actually doing
20:32:52  <Alberth> you don't actually have to do that, just refit to the desired cargo one time
20:33:51  <Alberth> cdist doesn't really like it if you change train movements, it has to run some calculations, and then play catchup
20:34:10  <Alberth> so it's a mess for some time
20:34:41  <Alberth> not something you have to worry about very much, it sorts itself out eventually
20:34:41  <andythenorth> autorefit seems like it was designed with yacd in mind, and now I find it kind of useless
20:35:12  <Alberth> I had a good use for it with fruit and maize in tropical
20:35:39  <frosch123> i used it for candyfloss/sugar/toffee
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20:36:55  <Alberth> but not doing autorefit may be better for understanding what cdist is doing
20:37:17  <andythenorth> I'm sure I found in my last game that autorefit doesn't work even with explicit orders
20:37:32  <andythenorth> I spent some 30 mins or so testing different things
20:37:40  <andythenorth> no cargo is distributed to the station iirc
20:38:33  <andythenorth> nvm
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20:39:49  <Alberth> cdist takes some time to add new stations to the distribution
20:40:23  <Alberth> usually it does get some, unless it is far away across the map from the creating industry
20:41:14  <Alberth> also having symmetric distribution limits choices here
20:41:56  <Alberth> then you only get as much cargo as the smallest amount that can be transported
20:42:16  <Alberth> which obviously fails horribly with most industries
20:42:44  <andythenorth> iirc, the issue was that industries simply didn't distribute cargo to the station
20:43:29  <andythenorth> the autorefit didn't seem to mark the station as visiited by a vehicle with that refit
20:43:36  <andythenorth> but I might be talking rubbish, it was months ago
20:43:44  <andythenorth> anyway, I'm compiling for a new game :)
20:44:25  <Alberth> oh, it worked for me, but you do need to visit a station with at least one wagon for each cargo you want to exchange there
20:46:52  <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably something that needs to be improved
20:47:25  <Alberth> which holds for almost all parts of the program :)
20:48:18  <andythenorth> I am smoking crack, autorefit with explicit order does work
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20:48:58  <andythenorth> is cdist now on by default for all cargos?
20:49:02  <andythenorth> I can't see an off switch
20:49:22  <Eddi|zuHause> "manual" means "off"
20:49:35  <andythenorth> thanks
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22:10:31  <frosch123> night
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22:11:08  <NGC3982_> Evening.
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22:11:34  <NGC3982> I wonder where that _ came from.
22:12:28  <Eddi|zuHause> usually because you put it in your alternate nick
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