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01:52:27  <checkbook> hey, is there a way to do a train order like: return to station IF full?
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02:46:16  <Eddi|zuHause> checkbook: yes. conditional orders can check for "is full"
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11:33:59  <NGC3982> I guess it's time i start using conditional order jumps.
11:34:17  <NGC3982> It has been a couple of years since.
11:35:05  <NGC3982> __ln__: Should i use "it's been", or "it has been"?
11:35:43  <__ln__> Both are correct and mean the same.
11:36:07  <NGC3982> I know, let me rephrase.
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11:36:23  <V453000> NO
11:36:57  <NGC3982> Should i only use one of them, and does it sound weird mixing it between sentences?
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11:37:08  <NGC3982> Hey, calm the poop down.
11:37:43  <MNIM> oh hey, an RC?
11:40:34  <__ln__> NGC3982: Well, contractions do not belong to academic or otherwise very formal text. Other than that, I don't see a problem.
11:46:54  <NGC3982> Ok.
11:50:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't mix them
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12:08:13  <__ln__> Applies to other contractions too, in the same text.
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13:56:58  <Eddi|zuHause> man civ4 is diplomatically difficult if you have a different religion than the rest of your continent...
13:57:39  <peter1138> Sounds realistic.
13:59:08  <__ln__> http://www.oecd.org/pisa/test/form/
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14:04:01  <Eddi|zuHause> but i can't even change my religion to theirs, because i have no city which has it
14:14:16  <peter1138> Oh, you don't "learn" religion in that version?
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14:21:53  <Eddi|zuHause> the first one to research a certain tech starts the religion, then it spreads from city to city along trade routes
14:22:24  <Eddi|zuHause> until every city has one religion, then it can only spread through missionaries
14:23:00  <Eddi|zuHause> and you can pick any religion as state religion that you have in at least one city
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14:54:16  <Belugas> hello
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14:55:38  <Superuser> yes.
15:25:47  <peter1138> __ln__, got them all right, though I had to use a calculator for the last one :S
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15:59:34  <V453000> OH GOD FORUM SNOW
15:59:36  <V453000> not again
16:12:02  <Eddi|zuHause> there's a "temperate" style now :)
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16:43:41  <checkbook> haha
16:43:48  <checkbook> i LOVE how the openttd forum looks
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17:04:50  <DanMacK> Hey all
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17:42:34  <Eddi|zuHause> oh the joy when you lose your general in a 95% battle...
17:44:34  <MNIM> what game/
17:51:12  <LordAro> civ4, i assume
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17:54:38  <MNIM> ah.
17:54:49  * Pinkbeast almost always settles generals
17:54:57  <MNIM> playing freeciv, but that doesn't have generals.
17:55:36  <Pinkbeast> I was talking to JTN about this, who does freeciv development - I'd love to see "Civ 4 with hexes" in freeciv
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17:58:59  <MNIM> hmmmh.
17:59:23  <MNIM> playing a 2000x4000 or so map gets boring after a while.
17:59:36  <MNIM> or, more accurately, rather longwinded.
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18:00:31  <Pinkbeast> OTOH a tiny x tiny map does risk the "well, I've hooked everything up in 1940, what now" problem :-/
18:01:15  <MNIM> hah.
18:01:26  <MNIM> It's not even 1830 yet
18:01:40  <planetmaker> Pinkbeast, there's always the option of maps with intermediate sizes ;)
18:01:46  <MNIM> and Im already at war with most of the planet for trying to colonize space
18:02:31  <MNIM> that's one really, really annoying thing about trying to win with diplomacy, though.
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18:03:16  <MNIM> AIs that weren't on your starting team still protest for my unilateral domination when you're allied to them.
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18:27:46  <NGC3982> Right.
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18:31:06  <NGC3982> It's Saturday night, I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape.
18:31:24  <NGC3982> I'm about to try that script thingy out
18:31:30  <Kjetil> Actually it's wedensday
18:31:33  <NGC3982> That makes my server auto-restart onto the same save game.
18:31:37  <NGC3982> Wedens-day?
18:31:47  <Alberth> yeah, I was wondering about the day too :)
18:31:51  <NGC3982> That sounds like a treat.
18:32:00  <Alberth> maybe having an early saturday?  :)
18:32:03  <Kjetil> wednesday*
18:32:09  <NGC3982> Widenstag.
18:32:19  <Alberth> midway tag
18:32:25  <Kjetil> Mittwoche ?
18:32:31  <NGC3982> Ouch. Right in the veteran.
18:33:57  <NGC3982> Is restarting a game noted as an "In-game" action?
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18:41:56  <NGC3982> I'm trying to find a good way to autostart a dedicated server on <year> with forced save- and config file.
18:42:33  <NGC3982> restart_game_year only restarts prior to openttd.cfg, wich is not the used config file.
18:42:47  <NGC3982> Also, i can't seem to find the right way to use this as a game script.
18:42:55  <NGC3982> Or, i do not understand it properly.
18:43:06  <Taede> loading a specific savegame upon reaching year xxxx?
18:43:24  <NGC3982> Yes, with a specific config file.
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18:44:14  <Taede> what are you using from the config file that is not saved, and will change between games?
18:44:49  <NGC3982> The networking stuff.
18:44:54  <NGC3982> Port, server name and passwords.
18:45:16  <Taede> dont those stay the same though?
18:45:25  <Taede> or are you changing the port for every game
18:45:34  <NGC3982> No, they don't. I'm running several servers on the same server.
18:45:37  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26143 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-12-04 18:45:26 UTC)
18:45:38  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:39  <DorpsGek> danish - 15 changes by Hellwing
18:45:40  <DorpsGek> english_AU - 8 changes by mrtux
18:45:41  <DorpsGek> korean - 2 changes by telk5093
18:45:42  <DorpsGek> latvian - 1 changes by Parastais
18:45:43  <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 6 changes by Phreeze
18:46:06  <NGC3982> By using 'openttd -D -c <file> -g <config>', launched in it's own screen.
18:46:17  <Taede> ah, but each running instance of openttd (one per server) will retain the same ones
18:46:29  <NGC3982> The same what? Config file?
18:46:30  <Taede> might be time to think of adminport
18:46:40  <NGC3982> Oh, ok.
18:47:10  <NGC3982> Well, yeah. I noticed it restarts the game by randomizing a new game, using openttd.cfg.
18:47:15  * NGC3982 googles adminport
18:48:16  <Taede> by having a 3rd party program connect to each server on its admin-port, they can control the server with more control
18:48:33  <Taede> soap is an example, but is probably overkill if you don't need an irc-bridge
18:48:58  <NGC3982> I do think i know what you mean by IRC bridge
18:49:04  <Taede> though it could incorporate the functionality you are looking for
18:49:04  <NGC3982> And i guess that would be nice.
18:49:18  <NGC3982> But yes, i do not really need -more- than this.
18:50:00  <Taede> do you program at all?
18:50:14  <NGC3982> Not really
18:51:00  <NGC3982> I get the concept of code, but anything beyond hello_world is asking for too much.
18:52:07  <NGC3982> Thanks for the "Bro, do you even lift" moment, also.
18:52:08  <NGC3982> :D
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18:54:49  <NGC3982> I guess i could solve this by creating the entire config file from scratch (instead of using savegame), and then use reload_cfg
18:55:06  <NGC3982> Including NewGRFs, difficulty and network settings
18:55:14  <NGC3982> But with a new seed.
18:55:19  <NGC3982> Wich i guess it's allright.
18:55:47  <NGC3982> Mr. Dihedral apparently knew about this hoodoo.
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18:56:41  <Taede> :)
18:56:56  <NGC3982> Although, this leads me to another thing.
18:57:28  <NGC3982> If i start a generated game in Windows and save the game - Can i also save the config file that is created for that save game (excluding the save file, of course)?
18:57:45  <NGC3982> Since that would save me having to edit an entire config for every new server.
18:58:27  <Taede> close openttd down (the one you used for generating the game)
18:58:36  <Taede> then copy the relevant sections over into a new copy
18:59:06  <Taede> newgrf/mapgeneration related sections most importantly
19:00:25  <NGC3982> I'll try it.
19:07:00  <NGC3982> Taede: Brilliant.
19:08:14  <Taede> :)
19:08:51  <NGC3982> Hm. Although, it did not seem to find the added NewGRFs on start.
19:09:16  * NGC3982 thinks his folders are not setup correctly.
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19:10:38  <Wolf01> hello :D
19:10:45  <Alberth> hi hi :D
19:13:22  <NGC3982> Yey!
19:15:07  <NGC3982> I wonder if the restart function calls on reload_cfg.
19:17:53  <NGC3982> Is the [newgrf] part case sensitive?
19:18:07  <NGC3982> Since the Windows version downloaded everything with correct uppercase letters
19:18:12  <NGC3982> And Linux didn't.
19:19:03  <Alberth> if it contains paths or filenames, it's likely to be case sensitive for case sensitive file systems
19:20:23  <Taede> the [newgrf] section is all lowercase for me (win7)
19:20:37  <Taede> while the files have capital letters in them
19:21:02  <NGC3982> Yes, i was looking at the folders.
19:21:08  <NGC3982> I think i have done something strange.
19:21:33  <Taede> are you resterting from within the game? or shutting down and then starting it up again?
19:21:38  <NGC3982> I guess i need to re-download the NewGRF's on Windows, and then transfer them again. The config in Windows should correspond to the same config used in Linux, right?
19:22:22  <NGC3982> Taede: I started a Windows game, shut it down and saved the config as specific in my Linux system. Alternated it a bit and runned it with -D and -c.
19:23:00  <NGC3982> I guess i messed up the paths somewhere in the middle.
19:26:16  <Taede> also make sure the linux server has the exact same versions of each newgrf
19:26:35  <NGC3982> Yes, i removed everything and synced the content folders.
19:28:38  <NGC3982> Hm, still not working.
19:32:14  <NGC3982> Every time i start OpenTTD dedicated and it cannot find the NewGRF files, it removes them from the file.
19:32:25  <NGC3982> And that was not was i had in mind.
19:33:18  * NGC3982 get's tired of this and extracts all the files everywhere.
19:38:56  <NGC3982> Yes, that was not fruitful. It's case sensitive and \ needs to be /.
19:39:02  <NGC3982> That is a problem while doing this
19:39:06  <NGC3982> But i guess i'll manage.
19:45:20  <Alberth> make it read-only, or copy it from another place just before running openttd
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19:50:07  <Alberth> o/
19:50:27  <andythenorth> o/
19:51:12  <NGC3982> Yes, it worked itself out
19:51:24  <NGC3982> upName came in handy.
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20:04:51  <Eddi|zuHause> <MNIM> playing freeciv, but that doesn't have generals. <-- i tried playing freeciv, but i can't stand the civ2 mechanics anymore
20:05:12  <LordAro> i like civ2, but i couldn't stand freeciv
20:05:17  <LordAro> just wasn't the same
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20:49:20  <kizzyboi> Maybe someone here can answer a question i have about the android port
20:50:03  <Alberth> you can always try
20:50:24  <MNIM> don't ask to ask.
20:50:31  <glx> but we are not blamable for it :)
20:50:38  <MNIM> ask or ask not. there is no try.
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20:51:05  <Alberth> lol
20:51:24  <glx> was fast
20:51:41  <MNIM> hahaha.
20:52:03  <MNIM> there is no such thing as stupid questions, but there sure of hell exist a lot of stupid people. :d
20:52:12  <LordAro> ^^
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21:28:10  <planetmaker> moin
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21:33:59  <LordAro> /o planetmaker
21:41:46  <frosch123> yay, the spam in my ottd mail box is way better than in my private one
21:42:08  <frosch123> got 5 MB catalogue of a chinese truck manufacturer
21:42:11  <planetmaker> "better?"
21:42:16  <frosch123> i did not open it, but it says so
21:42:17  <planetmaker> 5MB?!
21:42:35  <frosch123> yeah, 5MB via mail, quite a big virus :p
21:43:12  <planetmaker> yeah
21:43:35  <frosch123> see, to my private email i always get health ensurance stuff
21:44:04  <frosch123> but to ottd i get turkish fire sprinkler systems and now trucks
21:44:18  <planetmaker> :)
21:44:26  <glx> oh I remember the fire sprinkler one
21:45:21  <glx> and I have the chinese truck one too
21:45:43  <planetmaker> oh, I have that truck ad, too ;)
21:45:55  <frosch123> well, i am not sure whether a 5 mb mail fits the usual spam criterions
21:46:01  <frosch123> it's not exactly a mass mail :p
21:46:15  <planetmaker> they can also provide training courses on truck repair :P
21:47:07  <frosch123> yeah, don't tell me you get that kind of spam to your private mail :)
21:47:30  <planetmaker> not that I can recall, indeed
21:47:43  <planetmaker> But then... I can't say that I really look at spam usually :)
21:48:28  <Alberth> mine are often filled with Chinese characters :p
21:48:46  <planetmaker> yeah. That's an instant delete :)
21:48:57  <LordAro> my mail servers been detecting a lot of (actual) virus messages lately
21:48:59  <frosch123> no, never got a really chinese mail
21:49:13  <frosch123> the only one i really could not read as that turkish sprinkler system
21:49:50  <planetmaker> half of my trash is chinese stuff
21:50:02  <planetmaker> on the openttd address
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22:06:59  <frosch123> night
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22:22:24  <Wolf01> 'night
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