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Log for #openttd on 23rd January 2014:
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00:10:46  <Sacro> sigh
00:10:54  <Sacro> does OTTD have to bail over when it misses one packet :(
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00:26:54  <Xaroth|Work> Sacro: yep
00:28:11  <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: that PR got derailed quite hard O_O
00:28:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i liked the one about "can we add that as a blocker?" the best :p
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01:42:49  <mek42> is there a way to increase the font size inside the vehicle summary windows?  Where it says the vehicle name and current / last year profits.
01:48:56  <Pikka> font size lines in the config file?
01:49:00  <Eddi|zuHause> it can only be done via editing openttd.cfg
01:49:20  <Pikka> "only"? :)
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01:53:41  <Eddi|zuHause> qwll you're welcome to implement a font gui :p
01:53:49  <Eddi|zuHause> *well
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02:30:50  <Flygon> Sacro: It could be worse, it could be Age of Empires II (classic)'s multiplayer!
02:31:06  <Flygon> RTS? Giant war going on? Lots of shenanigans?... bam
02:31:12  <Flygon> Game randomly shuts down due to a missed packet
02:31:19  <Flygon> This happens even on ADSL/Cable/Fibre nets
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02:53:26  <mek42> is it silly to serve a single player game in order to let other folks spectate now and then to comment on how my networks are?  or would it be better to take screenshots and do a let's learn to play thread in the forum?
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03:01:53  <Eddi|zuHause> you can do whatever you want...
03:02:41  <Eddi|zuHause> if you run a "single player server", make sure there is only 1 company allowed, and that company is password protected
03:02:49  <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise random people may ruin your game
03:03:20  <Eddi|zuHause> (you have to reset the password every time you start the game, it is not saved)
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07:51:58  <LSky> morning
07:54:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i made a new friend...
07:55:25  <LSky> oh?
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08:03:15  <planetmaker> moin
08:03:40  <Pikka> boin
08:03:47  <planetmaker> obviously you did, Eddi. And you're representitive of the "whole community" obviously :P
08:03:50  <V453000> moo-in
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08:07:25  <Eddi|zuHause> you learned cow-ish?
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08:19:07  <Eddi|zuHause> <Pikka> boin <- Oin, Gloin, Dwalin, Balin, ... :)
08:20:05  <Xaroth|Work> you're missing a few
08:20:39  <Xaroth|Work> Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dori, Nori, Ori, Fili, Kili and Thorin
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08:38:43  <Eddi|zuHause> hence the "..."
08:39:15  <V453000> I have cow-ish as my main language
08:39:17  <V453000> hence the meow
08:41:02  <dihedral> morning
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09:20:09  <Eddi|zuHause> looks like this rolling resistance thing is michi_cc's doing
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10:06:15  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: any reason why "search by date" in the logs stops at 2009?
10:09:15  <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: you mean it doesn't find anything before that?
10:09:28  <SpComb> there probably aren't any earlier logs
10:09:30  <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: no, the dropdown doesn't have any higher numbers
10:09:37  <SpComb> oh
10:09:46  <SpComb> it's probably a terrible hack :)
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10:09:59  <SpComb> just hack the url :P
10:10:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i did that
10:10:11  <Eddi|zuHause> just wanted to mention :)
10:10:24  <SpComb> I need to rewrite the entire thing some day
10:10:38  <Eddi|zuHause> if you change it to 2014 now, i'll probably complain again in 5 years :p
10:11:02  <planetmaker> might be more time efficient than a complete rewrite
10:11:54  <SpComb> add in some javascript that rewrites the server-generated dates
10:12:06  <SpComb> inject it using a frontend http proxy
10:12:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i have javascript disabled
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12:19:22  <nicferirc> hello
12:20:10  <nicferirc> how can I install the generic binaries into /usr/?
12:20:23  <Eddi|zuHause> you really shouldn't
12:20:40  <planetmaker> /usr/local/bin would seem better :)
12:20:50  <Eddi|zuHause> a) /usr is for stuff by your package management, /usr/local is for manual stuff
12:20:57  <Eddi|zuHause> b) the paths are set at compile time
12:21:31  <Eddi|zuHause> (or rather configure time)
12:30:22  <__ln__> https://github.com/fre5h/DoctrineEnumBundle/pull/12#issuecomment-33023169
12:31:35  <planetmaker> __ln__, you repeat yourself
12:32:15  <V453000> is a parrot
12:32:22  <V453000> you cant explain that
12:32:38  <__ln__> planetmaker: no, i repeat someone else
12:33:00  <V453000> my point is valid then
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13:28:37  <Eddi|zuHause> that is so yesterday...
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15:01:23  <Belugas> hello
15:01:32  <Xaroth|Work> o/ Belugas
15:02:15  <Belugas> hello Xaroth :)
15:02:42  <Xaroth|Work> and how are you today?
15:06:26  <planetmaker> heya :)
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15:12:08  <Pikka> hmmm
15:12:42  <planetmaker> hmmmm
15:12:46  <Pikka> hmmmmmmm
15:12:53  <planetmaker> hmm
15:12:56  <Pikka> "16*256=4096 motion units mean motion across one tile."
15:13:49  <Pikka> is that number actually 2048 in OpenTTD? :D
15:14:02  <Eddi|zuHause> no
15:14:18  <Eddi|zuHause> but for trains it is increased twice per tick
15:14:23  <Pikka> hmm
15:15:39  <Pikka> something's odd... shifting 8 bits, I only got one animation frame per two movements, and eight frames per tile. shifting 7 gave me the result I was expecting.
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15:18:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no experience with animation
15:18:30  <Eddi|zuHause> @seen Bad_Brett
15:18:30  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Bad_Brett was last seen in #openttd 14 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <Bad_Brett> nice photo from 1910: http://www.gridenko.com/pg/h12E5FC4C#h12e5fc4c
15:19:18  <planetmaker> it's a bit ago
15:20:06  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGUnjnNEfGE&feature=youtu.be&hd=1
15:20:43  <Pikka> and even just reading the numbers in the debug window... crossing a tile it increases by more like c2048 than c4096. :/ Oh well, I'll just go with what works, then. ;)
15:21:35  <Eddi|zuHause> for - and | movement it's multiplied by 1.5 or so
15:21:54  <Eddi|zuHause> because everything is wrong for those dimensions
15:23:10  <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: care to show a test GRF?
15:25:58  <Pikka> sounds like hard work, eddi :)
15:26:44  <Pikka> http://i.imgur.com/h8tDkNw.png though
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15:31:17  <Eddi|zuHause> @base 16 10 ab2
15:31:17  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 2738
15:31:30  <Eddi|zuHause> @base 16 10 239
15:31:30  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 569
15:32:44  <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose you can't test that in ttdp?
15:34:11  <Pikka> I'd be surprised...
15:36:08  <Rubidium> motion_counter is increased by current speed every tick
15:36:26  <fjb> Moin
15:36:34  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds wrong then
15:37:39  <Eddi|zuHause> "Its value is in units of 1/4096 of a tile.  A vehicle actually moves visibly every time the motion counter increases by 256, and since a tile consists of 16 such subunits, 16*256=4096 motion units mean motion across one tile." <-- OpenTTD certainly violates this then
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15:38:55  <Eddi|zuHause> not to mention when the speed changes in the two movement steps
15:40:00  <Rubidium> so, please file a bug report
15:41:21  <planetmaker> better: submit a patch :)
15:41:37  <planetmaker> you seem to have expertise on that part of code :P
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15:42:02  <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't :p
15:42:04  * Pikka would settle for correcting the documentation. ;)
15:42:35  <Pikka> also I lol'd that NML gives you a number between 0 and 15 for the motion counter... useful... D:
15:42:53  <planetmaker> well...
15:42:58  <Eddi|zuHause> nml's motion counter is really bad
15:43:09  <planetmaker> how should it be?
15:44:03  <Eddi|zuHause> if your animation cycle is not a power of 2, you get unnecessary repeats of certain animation frames
15:44:03  <planetmaker> there was some discussion before it was set to 16... probably on grounds that that's the amount of actual movement steps on a tile
15:44:26  <Eddi|zuHause> even though the resolution would allow for having these repeats only very rarely
15:44:29  <Pikka> eddi: yes, about once every million tiles. :)
15:45:24  <Eddi|zuHause> don't use motion counter, use var[0x46,0,0xFFFFFFFF]
15:45:46  <Pikka> can you do that? handy. :)
15:46:05  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's a "hidden feature" :)
15:46:11  <planetmaker> yes, you can. ^^
15:46:26  <planetmaker> Pikka, did you really switch to nml?!
15:46:30  <Eddi|zuHause> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Deprecated_syntax
15:46:55  <planetmaker> I guess we should remove that from the 'deprecated syntax' page. And put it somewhere else, more appropriate
15:47:06  <planetmaker> I don't see that feature being removed anytime soon
15:47:14  <Pikka> no, I didn't planetmaker
15:47:34  <Pikka> I just had a look at the spec to see if it said anything illuminating about what was happening with the motion counter.
15:47:42  <planetmaker> aye
15:48:05  <planetmaker> you should switch :P
15:48:34  <Pikka> but then how will I do my 9-frame animations? :P
15:48:43  <Pikka> (with var[0x46,0,0xFFFFFFFF], I know)
15:49:40  <Eddi|zuHause> could just add a motion_counter_long or something
15:50:06  <planetmaker> might be an idea ^
15:50:07  <Eddi|zuHause> i really have no clue what that motion_counter was supposed to achieve
15:50:32  <planetmaker> iirc the idea was to give you feedback on when the vehicle visually moved accross a tile
15:55:40  <planetmaker> Pikka, do you use anything else than plain nfo?
15:55:59  <Pikka> nope
16:01:51  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that is probably one of the least useful things to know...
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16:03:24  <planetmaker> maybe
16:04:19  <Pikka> g'night folks :)
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16:35:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea whether this is correct (for aircraft, or for diagonal movement): www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/motion_counter_fix.diff
16:37:29  <Eddi|zuHause> and it's certainly missing effect vehicles
16:37:50  <Eddi|zuHause> are ships GroundVehicles?
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16:42:51  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: maybe "legacy variable access" is a good name?
16:43:12  <Eddi|zuHause> or "direct variable access"
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18:36:58  <Wolf01> hello o/
18:37:43  <fjb> Moin Wolf01
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18:40:12  <frosch123> hola
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18:48:47  <andythenorth> o/
18:49:07  <Wolf01> \o
18:51:18  <fjb> Quak frosch123
18:51:25  <fjb> Moin andythenorth
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19:34:44  <andythenorth> what's the go?
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19:41:28  <Alberth> the 4000 year old game?
19:41:35  <andythenorth> he :)
19:42:23  <andythenorth> I could write some more code to process spritesheets
19:42:25  <planetmaker> salut
19:42:28  <andythenorth> or I could do some work
19:42:29  <andythenorth> :P
19:42:37  <planetmaker> what a choice :D
19:43:59  <andythenorth> I like work :)
19:45:16  <planetmaker> if you didn't you had the wrong job :)
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19:49:11  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1109610#p1109610 <-- I didn't yet verify... is that true?
19:49:38  <andythenorth> probably
19:49:45  <andythenorth> he's mostly accurate, if very annoying :)
19:49:52  <planetmaker> :D
19:50:03  <andythenorth> industry station names are half-assed imo :)
19:50:05  <planetmaker> makes it sound like each industry needs a separate name then :(
19:50:11  <andythenorth> that's why I was glad you made them not my problem :)
19:50:33  <planetmaker> :P
19:50:52  <frosch123> is the issue only the "Old" ?
19:50:54  <andythenorth> we (someone - probably eddi or frosch) decided it needs an array of names to be good
19:51:03  <frosch123> what if we strip the "Old"
19:51:05  <frosch123> isn't it fine then?
19:51:22  <andythenorth> no, the issue will be the number of petrol stations in a town giving names to stations
19:51:24  <andythenorth> or such
19:51:31  <planetmaker> I don't think that's the issue he tries to raise. Rather the repetition of names
19:51:43  <frosch123> well, "Townhall" is no worse than "Central"
19:51:49  <andythenorth> I refuse a parameter in FIRS btw
19:51:53  <frosch123> you only miss the one station name which has no suffix
19:51:58  <andythenorth> either ottd fixes this, or they live with it :)
19:52:12  <frosch123> but ok, default names or more randomised
19:52:13  <Taede> exclude town-industries (bank/petrol-stations/shops) ?
19:52:19  <frosch123> iirc newgrf ones are forced highest priority
19:52:48  <planetmaker> that's what I recall, too
19:52:55  <planetmaker> but it shouldn't give duplicates
19:54:53  <planetmaker> gah... Korean trainset uses different font sizes in description :S
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19:58:45  <frosch123> small or big?
19:59:20  <planetmaker> both
19:59:25  <frosch123> ok :p
20:00:29  <planetmaker> anyway, I don't get duplicate station names even when I build two dozen of the same industry in a town and make the rest covered by stations
20:01:29  <frosch123> oh, i misread the report
20:01:42  <frosch123> i thought he complains that every town has a "old townhall"
20:01:49  <frosch123> i did not noticed there were duplicates
20:02:10  <frosch123> hmm, is that causes because ottd only compares the industry id?
20:02:12  <planetmaker> if he only complains about 'old townhall', I don't care about the report :)
20:02:25  <planetmaker> hm, I'll try
20:03:37  <planetmaker> seems so. with two or three industry types, then I get the same station name
20:04:20  <frosch123> yup, station_cmd.cpp:249
20:04:29  <frosch123> only checks for industrytype id
20:04:30  <frosch123> not string :p
20:04:44  <planetmaker> so there's two ways to fix :)
20:05:06  <frosch123> well, the idea was to give industries the same name, to not make the names too specific :p
20:05:25  <planetmaker> quite so. yes
20:08:04  <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/double_name.png <-- also the description
20:08:27  <planetmaker> of the trainset. I wonder whether I should complain to him ;)
20:08:56  <planetmaker> about not updating the internal version between releases :P
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20:11:40  <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3019/ <- better?
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20:19:09  <planetmaker> does the trick for me, frosch123
20:23:20  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26275 trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp (2014-01-23 20:23:14 UTC)
20:23:21  <DorpsGek> -Fix: If NewGRF provided the same station name for different industry types, stations would end up with same name. So also consider the provided name, not only the industry type.
20:23:52  <frosch123> i see no issue :p
20:23:55  <planetmaker> firs sprites are nice till 2x zoom. In 4x the pixels show :)
20:24:06  <planetmaker> haha :)
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20:32:59  <__ln__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25862543
20:39:15  <andythenorth> god what a boring conversation about rolling resistance
20:39:20  <andythenorth> someone should just delete it
20:39:28  <Alberth> I skipped it :)
20:39:40  <planetmaker> there's a spill-off at tt-ms
20:39:50  <frosch123> i skipped it :)
20:40:09  <planetmaker> yeah, me, too. tl;dr
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21:22:43  <frosch123> hmm, something suggests that some os/2 compiler has an "vseprintf"
21:22:50  <frosch123> yet google only hits on openttd
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21:29:48  <frosch123> night
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21:49:18  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:00:49  <andythenorth> bye
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22:15:48  <Sacro> @seen Pikka
22:15:48  <DorpsGek> Sacro: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Pikka> g'night folks :)
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22:24:51  <Xaroth|Work> oh I love it when a plan comes together
22:26:35  <Xaroth|Work> or in this case, when my caching decorator actually does what I tell it to do
22:29:16  <Alberth> now you can put your caches on the wall easily
22:30:56  <Xaroth|Work> something like that
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23:04:36  <TheZonta> Good Day People
23:04:53  <TheZonta> What is the rXXXXX version of the 1.3.3 ?
23:04:57  <TheZonta> if there one
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23:13:40  <glx> TheZonta: it's tags/1.3.3
23:17:15  <glx> revision doesn't really matter for releases
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23:45:01  <TheZonta> Ah thanks glx Because i was looking to install the proper version for shared infrastructure
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