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00:04:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:05:06 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-155-207.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 00:16:19 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 00:18:03 <Pikka> ooh 00:18:10 <Pikka> I crashed OpenTTD, haven't done that for a while. 00:18:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:20:47 <Hazzard> ooh fun 00:44:01 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.100.235] has joined #openttd 00:45:35 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.104.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.190.1] has joined #openttd 00:52:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B3D4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:24 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 01:05:47 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:36 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C30D7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:09:39 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:52 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.144] has joined #openttd 01:11:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:57 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3F2B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@212.112.47.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:37 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.100.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:54 <Pikka> oops, did it again 01:53:00 <Pikka> it's a divide by 0... 01:53:42 <Pikka> spose I should update my nightly just to make sure 01:55:25 <Japa__> Also stop being Brittany. 01:57:14 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.113.89.181] has quit [Quit: Help to translate AdiIRC to your language at www.getlocalization.com/AdiIRC/] 02:34:43 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-155-207.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:06 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C30D7.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 03:24:16 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:39 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:42:22 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.103.122] has joined #openttd 04:12:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.190.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:38:05 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.16.148.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:49 <Pikka> it's too warm for this many mathematics, I'm turning the AC on... 05:35:11 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.105.230] has joined #openttd 05:39:51 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.97.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:55:06 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.105.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6759C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:59:11 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.86] has joined #openttd 06:30:36 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 06:37:20 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:08:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:10:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:17:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:03 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:21:39 <Pikka> hmm 07:21:51 <Pikka> AIs can't change their company colours? D: 07:22:38 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 07:24:39 *** Andreas [~Andreas@c118116.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:14 <slee> ok, time to go attempt a sneak-attack on the wife and fail then cry myself to sleep 07:25:20 *** slee [~slee@0001c4b7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: mmm....bacon] 07:26:23 <Pikka> obviously 07:26:30 <Pikka> andythenorth! 07:27:07 <Pikka> why can't AI's change their company colour? 07:27:12 <Pikka> or AIs 07:27:18 <Pikka> whichever you like 07:31:58 <andythenorth> Pikka! 07:39:29 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:46:42 *** Andreas [~Andreas@c118116.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:08 <Pikka> I'm improving my style, taking repetitive bits from different parts of the code and turning them into a single function 07:54:12 <Pikka> this is where bugs are born 07:54:26 <andythenorth> that is all I do 07:54:31 <andythenorth> otherwise I'd be bored :P 07:54:36 <andythenorth> and I'd have to do drawing 07:56:27 <Pikka> amazingly, I moved some code and it didn't break 07:56:32 <Pikka> I'm always suspicious when that happens 07:57:00 <andythenorth> do you have regression tests? o_O 07:59:08 *** Randominty [~Randomint@124-171-103-7.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:59:27 *** Andreas [~Andreas@c118116.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:07 <Pikka> I have "restarting the AI and seeing if it crashes" 08:09:07 <andythenorth> I have no regression tests either :) 08:09:21 <andythenorth> but I have some code that whines at me if I make certain silly mistakes 08:10:03 * andythenorth bbl, lego-ish children-ish things to do 08:10:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:18:05 <Elyon> good morning! 08:26:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:37 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 08:37:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i noticed this before... planetmaker has this habit of using "feasible" when "possible" would be more appropriate 08:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i would use "feasible" in the sense of "could be made possible" 08:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> just because something is not possible right now doesn't mean it's not feasible 08:41:23 <Elyon> is using variable 7E (procedure call) with variable 7B (pass argument from computational value) feasible, then? :D 08:44:03 <Pikka> Eddi: I, on the other hand, would have used those two words the other way around :) 08:46:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:47:01 <Pikka> I thinik my AI may actually be finished. :o unless someone can point out where I've missed that AIs can change company colours... 08:47:40 <Pikka> also, thinik 08:48:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:49:12 <Elyon> what does it do? 08:49:38 <Elyon> collect meaningful data about its surroundings, then discards this and drives into walls? 08:49:45 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:49:48 <Pikka> only sometimes 08:49:56 <Elyon> :D 08:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: it's possible (:p) that i have a completely wrong understanding of what these words mean 08:54:21 <Elyon> WORDS 08:54:33 <Pikka> I would interpret "possible" as "could/may/will theoretically be done" and "feasable" as "could/may/will actually be done" 08:55:24 <planetmaker> moin 08:55:27 <planetmaker> satisfied, Eddi|zuHause ;) 08:55:31 <Elyon> but something may be possible without being feasible 08:55:38 <Elyon> good morning :) 08:55:39 <Eddi|zuHause> not really. :) 08:56:06 <planetmaker> feasible means 'machbar' and possible means 'möglich' 08:56:27 <Elyon> doable and possible? 08:56:45 <planetmaker> doable is about a synonym for feasible, I think 08:57:00 <planetmaker> possible has a different direction 08:57:05 <Elyon> that's what I think, as well, by my understanding of the words "mach" and "bar" :p 08:57:11 <Eddi|zuHause> if in doubt: everybody else is wrong :p 08:57:21 <Elyon> the danish word is probably "muligt" 08:57:36 <Elyon> (for possible) 08:58:27 <Elyon> planetmaker: I am beginning to understand NFO stations! :D 08:58:34 <planetmaker> good :) 08:59:19 <Elyon> also, this place seems dead for days sometimes ... 08:59:32 <planetmaker> this channel? 08:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> let's just stick with: "i'm way too theoretically aligned to use the word 'feasible' in any meaningful context" 08:59:35 <Elyon> yeah 09:00:09 <planetmaker> Hardly any day passes with random people like us talking here. More or often less on-topic :P 09:01:06 <Elyon> I guess :) 09:01:21 <planetmaker> but sure enough not every day much happens. People have lives. And different times 09:01:32 <Elyon> quite. 09:02:15 <Elyon> question: is the 7B/7E variable conundrum to avoid branching in newgrfs? 09:02:24 <Elyon> because it would be rather useful! 09:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> what do these variables do? 09:04:47 <Elyon> 7E is procedure call, 7B reads the parameter of its variable from the accumulator 09:05:29 <Elyon> so doing 7B 7E would go to the procedure as indicated by the accumulator, instead of a hardcoded procedure 09:06:04 <Elyon> but 7B specifically does not support `7B` or `7E` 09:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can't just use register 0x100 for that? 09:06:26 <Elyon> wait ... 09:08:23 <Elyon> huh? I can't find any documentation on that, all I can find says that 0x100-0x10F is for passing extra data to some variables - not which ones 09:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, why not write stuff to a register, and call a function that reads this register and branches to the correct function? 09:10:10 <Pikka> that sounds familiar... 09:10:13 <Elyon> how would I branch? Ranges in a standard varaction2? 09:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 09:11:04 <Elyon> hmm. That would work, I guess. 09:11:17 <Elyon> or; of course it would! Thanks, don't know why I didn't think of that 09:17:12 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.80] has joined #openttd 09:22:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:22 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.103.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:30 <Wolf01> hello 09:23:32 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc6-linl9-2-0-cust445.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:37 <Elyon> hi 09:25:43 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc6-linl9-2-0-cust445.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:39 <Taede> moin 09:55:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:00:05 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:03:06 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E1E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:12 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 10:32:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 10:52:01 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.80] has joined #openttd 11:15:29 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:16:17 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:15 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C30D7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:43 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.77] has joined #openttd 11:42:28 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 11:44:25 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 11:46:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:18 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 11:53:31 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 11:55:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f6a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 12:04:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:09:33 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 12:10:30 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:14:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:56 <andythenorth> all things are possible 12:14:59 <andythenorth> not all things are feasible 12:15:18 * andythenorth suspects that in fact not all things are possible 12:15:37 <andythenorth> measuring the velocity and position of a particle 12:15:56 <andythenorth> knowing the state of a cat in a box 12:16:42 <Alberth> going faster than the speed of light 12:16:54 <planetmaker> no problem to go faster than light 12:17:05 <andythenorth> already things go faster than light 12:17:05 <MNIM> andythenorth: isn't it the other way round? 12:17:09 <planetmaker> except you cannot do that in vacuum *and* transmit information 12:17:31 <andythenorth> MNIM: ? 12:17:56 <Alberth> impossible things just don't exist :) 12:18:18 <MNIM> you measure the state of the cat, not the particle. 12:18:22 <andythenorth> some possible things also don't exist 12:18:26 <andythenorth> like roadtypes 12:18:33 <MNIM> @.@ 12:18:34 <andythenorth> and NewStations 12:18:50 <MNIM> NewStations? since when does that not exist? 12:19:54 *** ToBeFree is now known as SoulOfTheInternet 12:19:55 *** SoulOfTheInternet is now known as Aki 12:19:57 *** Aki is now known as ToBeFree 12:20:46 <andythenorth> the voxel tool looks nice 12:20:53 <andythenorth> does it do the right proportions? 12:21:28 <Alberth> doesn't "New" indicate "we hate the existing feature, it should be rebuild from scratch" ? 12:21:40 <Alberth> it looks a lot like pixa 12:21:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: no 12:21:53 <andythenorth> "New" implies it will be discussed but never done 12:21:54 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 12:22:11 <andythenorth> we should talke more about OldButLessCrappy 12:22:17 <Japa> What's this voxel tool? 12:23:11 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=69974 12:23:21 <andythenorth> planetmaker: it has a graphical editor in it? Or everything is typing numbers? 12:23:48 <planetmaker> try the link he provided. Or look at the screen I attached. Graphical 12:24:15 <planetmaker> quite nice tool really 12:24:25 <planetmaker> makes it quick to draw vehicles 12:24:40 <planetmaker> how easy it is to make it appear also really nice... dunno :) 12:24:50 <andythenorth> just time 12:25:00 <andythenorth> tool is irrelevant, except how easy it is to use :D 12:30:00 <andythenorth> it's pretty easy :) 12:30:08 <andythenorth> makes certain assumptions about symetry though 12:31:35 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.113.89.181] has joined #openttd 12:33:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:51:37 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@2002:5220:eb64:0:392c:1f0e:50bc:4cf0] has joined #openttd 12:53:00 <frosch123> yay, kdiff3 has a line matching preprocessing command 12:53:20 <planetmaker> kdiff3 is nice, yes :) 12:53:49 <frosch123> can i export the diff view somehow though? 12:55:15 <planetmaker> hm... that I don't know :) 12:55:38 *** Randominty [~Randomint@124-171-103-7.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 12:56:07 <planetmaker> merges got much easier since I use kdiff3 as my merge tool, though 12:56:34 <frosch123> well, i am not using it for merging :p 12:56:40 <frosch123> i diffed the english.txt thingie 12:57:01 <planetmaker> ah, that. too many {NBSP} for my liking 12:57:23 <frosch123> yes, i killed those with sed 12:57:31 <frosch123> there eddi is absolutely right 12:57:39 <planetmaker> fully agree 12:57:43 <frosch123> that is a word user change :p 12:58:04 <frosch123> in theory someone can draw all those fancy characters for the sprite font 12:58:11 <frosch123> but the nbsp padding is wrong 12:58:56 <planetmaker> yes. If it's used in another string: then it needs be done there. If it's at the end or beginning: it's window layout 13:02:52 <Japa> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywelwzc5o9nkwg9/Screenshot%202014-02-08%2018.32.06.png 13:02:59 <Japa> Well, that was relatively easy. 13:03:31 <planetmaker> Japa, with changed size it also works for 4x sprites ,or? 13:04:32 <frosch123> is that feasible? 13:04:49 <frosch123> you need to shade the sides differently anyway alter on 13:05:00 <planetmaker> there are settings for sprite size 13:05:13 <frosch123> so you cannot use it for the final sprite, can you? 13:05:16 <Japa> Yes 13:05:23 <planetmaker> yup 13:05:27 <Japa> frosch123, it shades it. 13:05:57 <planetmaker> I'm actually pondering whether it might live well on a DevZone page 13:06:09 <Japa> It's a pain in the ass on larger sizes, though 13:06:22 <Japa> it becomes really slow, and the drawing limitations become more of a problem 13:06:32 <Japa> needs bigger brushes 13:06:41 <planetmaker> and drag 13:06:55 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@2002:5220:eb64:0:392c:1f0e:50bc:4cf0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:05 <MNIM> question: what makes it better than making a 3d model and rendering that? 13:08:02 <planetmaker> question: what makes 3d modeling and rendering that better than it? 13:08:37 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:49 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 13:09:10 <frosch123> MNIM: a modeller is for shapes 13:09:16 <frosch123> train shapes are all the same 13:09:21 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:26 <frosch123> this is a texture editor with a default shape 13:09:42 <frosch123> so a modeller is useless, there is no shape to model 13:10:12 <Japa> frosch123, actually, you make the shape too. 13:10:30 <frosch123> it's always a box :) 13:10:39 <Japa> Nope. 13:10:45 <frosch123> hmm, then i should play more 13:10:51 <Japa> there's some slice options above that you can play with. 13:11:19 <Japa> Notice the shape of the roof in my screenshot 13:13:26 <frosch123> hmm, maybe i misunderstood the tool completely last night 13:15:25 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:6979:842d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:06 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 13:17:58 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-37-126.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:21:04 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:49 <MNIM> frosch123: well, you could just use a standard model for that, too. 13:31:02 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:36 *** robotboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 13:43:50 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 13:46:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:48:37 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/pixeltool_grey50.png <- so, that's what the build-in shape is 13:48:51 <frosch123> i made all sides 50% grey 13:53:29 *** Andreas [~Andreas@c118116.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:59 <planetmaker> Zeph said it's 100% javascript. So all the code is in the website you view :) 13:57:46 <Elyon> is there a way for me to check milliseconds per frame (or just fps)? If so, is there a way for me to check what parts of the game took how long to compute? 13:59:09 <planetmaker> 30 msec / tick 13:59:42 <planetmaker> the game won't profit from more fps. And will simply run slower when cpu is at 100% 14:00:15 <Elyon> yes, I am interested in how slow and what's slowing it down ^-^; 14:00:39 <planetmaker> you need to compile the game then yourself 14:00:44 <Alberth> use a profiler 14:00:57 <Elyon> Alberth: hmm 14:00:59 <Elyon> planetmaker: oh? 14:03:55 <Elyon> Alberth: such as? 14:04:09 <frosch123> callgrind 14:05:03 <frosch123> plus kcachekrind for result viewing ofc 14:05:10 <frosch123> *kcachegrind 14:05:31 <frosch123> mind the "call" vs. "cache" 14:05:46 <frosch123> there is also cachegrind, but usually you want callgrind 14:05:56 <frosch123> kcachegrind visualises for both 14:06:40 <Elyon> okay alright, thanks :) On it now 14:06:51 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:52 <frosch123> linux only btw 14:07:13 <frosch123> though i think someone ported it to osx 14:07:58 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:27 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 14:09:35 <Elyon> no worries, already up and running :) 14:11:48 <frosch123> you will need a debug build of ottd, ideally with optimisation enabled 14:12:02 <frosch123> and you should start ottd with parameter "-v sdl:no_threads" 14:12:09 <frosch123> it's far more useable that way 14:12:30 <frosch123> i.e. "valgrind --tool callgrind -- bin/openttd -v sdl:no_threads" 14:12:35 <fonsinchen> You'll still need a lot of patience, though. 14:12:59 <fonsinchen> There's also gprof 14:13:46 <fonsinchen> It's less accurate but to run it you just have to do "make run-prof" 14:14:13 <fonsinchen> and it executes at near "normal" time. 14:17:19 <Elyon> frosch123, fonsinchen, I see. I think I've already found my bottleneck though - or confirmed it anyway 14:18:04 *** Andreas [~Andreas@88.128.80.4] has joined #openttd 14:27:41 <planetmaker> -STR_SCENEDIT_FILE_MENU_QUIT :Exit 14:27:41 <planetmaker> +STR_SCENEDIT_FILE_MENU_QUIT :Quit Open Transport Tycoon <--- aaaaaaaah! 14:30:06 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:09 <Elyon> what? 14:30:22 <Elyon> what happen !! 14:30:33 <Taede> openttd != open transport tycoon deluxe 14:30:39 <Elyon> indeed not 14:30:39 <Taede> openttd == open ttd 14:30:40 <planetmaker> that suggested string change makes my head hurt badly 14:31:10 <Elyon> the ttd is not really an abbreviation (anymore), is it? 14:31:21 <planetmaker> officially never has been 14:31:25 <Elyon> I see 14:31:26 <planetmaker> related to this game 14:31:31 <planetmaker> for copyright reasons 14:31:36 <Elyon> that makes perfect sense 14:31:38 <planetmaker> or trademark. Or whatever reasons 14:31:56 <Elyon> staying safe :D 14:32:25 <Elyon> so what you pasted is a proposed string change? 14:32:39 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=69914 14:32:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.190.1] has joined #openttd 14:32:57 <planetmaker> frosch was so kind to actually make it nicely readible 14:34:10 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:33 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 14:36:13 <planetmaker> I didn't find any change where the removal of the colon is sensible 14:36:30 <Elyon> :/ 14:36:50 <Elyon> pity when someone puts in a lot of work for something that doesn't quite work out 14:41:24 <Elyon> on that note: turns out running thousands of advanced varaction2 operations per tile was a bit much 14:46:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:51:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:14 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-155-207.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:57:56 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/profiler.png <- hmm, i should revive that at some point :p 14:59:12 <planetmaker> :) 14:59:29 <planetmaker> as normal part of NewGRF debug tools? 15:07:06 *** Andreas [~Andreas@88.128.80.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:19 <frosch123> we should turn ottd into a newgrf dev engine 15:17:52 <planetmaker> and add gimp sources 15:18:06 <frosch123> and loffice 15:21:10 * andythenorth has missed something :P 15:21:17 <andythenorth> are we editing vehicles in game now? 15:22:08 <andythenorth> presumably if openttd can parse newgrf, it could dump it back to a file too :P 15:22:49 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 15:26:29 <andythenorth> would give new meaning to "don't change newgrfs on a running game" :P 15:27:39 <Elyon> :D 15:27:54 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.80] has joined #openttd 15:28:16 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:44:09 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 15:46:45 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 15:50:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:33 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:01:23 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:47 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:14 <frosch123> hmm, it's "5 head of livestock", not "5 heads of livestock" ? 16:18:27 <Elyon> frosch123: http://files.zachanima.net/cats-bacon.png related? 16:18:58 <frosch123> you need more trains 16:19:16 <Elyon> you can't tell how many trains I have~ 16:19:22 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:19:30 <Elyon> although evidently, not enough 16:19:41 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 16:19:48 <planetmaker> that's insane, Elyon ;) 16:19:53 <frosch123> i guess V would claim "not enough trains" is a tautology 16:20:06 <Elyon> I messed up somewhere and accidentally enabled all tile subzones as being pigs 16:20:11 <planetmaker> not enough beer surely 16:20:13 <Elyon> haha 16:21:00 <frosch123> maybe the trains can flow through a pile of goods and end up loaded on the other end 16:21:08 <frosch123> s/flow/plow/ 16:21:13 <Elyon> that would be neat 16:21:16 <Elyon> loading time: 0 16:26:17 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:34:34 <Elyon> code generation \o/ 16:36:56 <Elyon> how much space is alright to use per repo? 16:37:09 <Elyon> is, say, 10 MB for a repo alright? 16:38:23 <frosch123> all the 32bpp sets are way beyond 1GB 16:39:56 <frosch123> 108M nuts, 71M heqs, 87M fish, 89M firs, 79M ogfx, 1.3G ogfx-trains, 2.9G zbase 16:40:20 <Elyon> so what you're saying is I shouldn't worry about anything less than 50 16:40:22 <Elyon> ? 16:40:32 <Elyon> also woah, 2.9G zbase o_o 16:40:41 <frosch123> i am not sure whether you mean the complete repo, or a single revision 16:41:12 <Alberth> why would you want to store generated code, store the generator instead 16:41:21 <frosch123> but i wouldn't know why space should be an issue 16:41:30 <Elyon> Alberth: it's nondeterministic. But you're right, actually 16:41:45 <frosch123> nondeterministic generation :p 16:41:56 <frosch123> that sounds like i will refuse to debug that :) 16:42:01 <Elyon> haha 16:42:10 <Elyon> it's for generating random-looking tile layouts 16:42:38 <Elyon> Alberth: but I will follow your advice and ignore the generated code 16:44:47 <Elyon> actually no. It's only a few MB. I will strip the file from the repo if it ever becomes a problem, but I don't want to force people to install an interpreter just for running a generator, just to compile the newgrf :) 16:45:29 <Elyon> *or* I could make the generator deterministic 16:48:44 <planetmaker> Elyon, space is not much a problem and you will not be in trouble as long as you don't use it as binary dump :) 16:48:55 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 16:49:41 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:51:06 <Elyon> planetmaker: I wasn't planning on doing that, but I've taken measures to remove the generated code anyway :) 16:54:15 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.39.25] has joined #openttd 16:54:24 <planetmaker> well. Don't add generated stuff. Add the generator instead :) 16:55:13 <frosch123> if the generation is non-deterministic, he has to add the generated stuff 16:56:38 <planetmaker> generation is non-deterministic here? 16:57:06 <planetmaker> I guess I should have read back completely :) 16:57:14 <Elyon> nah, I'm making it deterministic 16:57:29 <Elyon> might as well 17:07:52 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.86.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:48 *** Haube [~michi@77-23-68-77-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:37 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.39.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:16 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:10 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:23 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 18:04:21 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.16.148.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:07:53 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 18:12:58 *** Miauw [~Miauw@2a02:1810:a800:7a00:ad7b:c2bc:8136:dc0a] has joined #openttd 18:15:24 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:54 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 18:28:46 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 18:46:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26318 /trunk/src/lang (8 files) (2014-02-08 18:46:35 UTC) 18:46:50 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:51 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 1 changes by R2dical 18:46:52 <DorpsGek> catalan - 34 changes by juanjo 18:46:53 <DorpsGek> hebrew - 61 changes by oofnik 18:46:54 <DorpsGek> italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 18:46:55 <DorpsGek> korean - 1 changes by telk5093 18:46:56 <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by wojteks86 18:46:57 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 2 changes by GunChleoc 18:46:58 <DorpsGek> swedish - 2 changes by spacejens 19:14:21 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:20:45 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:56 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:09 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 19:27:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:18 <andythenorth> o/ 19:31:54 <Alberth> moin 19:33:54 * andythenorth is very bored of unfinished ships 19:34:16 <andythenorth> if the base graphics were done I could start doing cargo stuff with PIL 19:36:00 <andythenorth> has anyone here tried Squid? 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