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09:08:26  <Flygon> As it turns out, there is a Big Boy replacement
09:08:31  <Flygon> <3 Centennial
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19:02:07  <Phreeze> hi :>
19:02:17  <Phreeze> irc still exists..nice
19:02:26  <planetmaker> would be bad, if not ;)
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19:10:01  <Pikka> how rare
19:10:06  <Pikka> my lightlbulb just died
19:10:13  <Pikka> also my lightbulb
19:10:34  <planetmaker> yeah. It's rare. Light bulbs are outlawed in EU :-O
19:11:30  <Pikka> it's a compact fluoro
19:11:38  <Pikka> we still call them lightbulbs though :P
19:12:23  <rubidium> planetmaker: not really, only production and import is outlawed
19:12:49  <planetmaker> I know. And not even all. But only those with a power less than X watts. X = 60?
19:13:05  <planetmaker> and doesn't apply for things like beamer light bulbs or so
19:13:06  * Pinkbeast had a halogen pop in the kitchen recently. How it survived the last 5 years I don't know
19:14:24  <Pikka> wow
19:14:27  <Pikka> new one is so bright
19:16:05  <Eddi|zuHause> my lightbulbs died way too frequently
19:16:12  <Eddi|zuHause> and always all 4 at the same time
19:16:28  <Eddi|zuHause> so i got LED ones now, they're supposed to last 15 years
19:16:30  * Pinkbeast does not miss changing the damned things all the time, except on the front of the bicycles :-/
19:16:43  <planetmaker> leds loose brightness over time, though :)
19:17:32  <Eddi|zuHause> possibly, but i probably won't notice gradual changes :p
19:23:40  <Phreeze> i only got candles
19:23:42  <Phreeze> it's romantic
19:24:14  <planetmaker> try to run your computer on that ;)
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19:24:56  <Pinkbeast> They used to say a Merchant Navy locomotive would steam on a candle :-)
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19:34:42  <andythenorth> where is game at?
19:34:54  <Alberth> hi hi
19:35:01  <Pikka> swindon
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19:58:42  <andythenorth> funny place Swindon
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20:13:01  <Phreeze> brb installing nnscript
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20:14:26  <Alberth> do you need to leave irc for that ?
20:14:52  <Knogle> doubt it
20:14:57  <frosch123> "close all applications before installing" then reboot one or two times
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20:15:52  <TinoDidriksen> If he's using a browser extension for IRC...
20:16:04  <andythenorth> nice of him to tell us
20:16:35  <Alberth> sure is
20:17:00  <planetmaker> now we know it's not the lack of love but the lack of working technology :P
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20:17:35  <Knogle> I see it as a friendly warning, that bright colors might appear.
20:18:32  <andythenorth> 90% of newgrf makers work is wasted
20:18:42  <planetmaker> hu?
20:18:57  <andythenorth> thread, you've seen it already,
20:19:08  <andythenorth> pax loco thing
20:19:22  <Alberth> improved income thread iirc
20:19:28  <andythenorth> best passenger loco
20:19:33  <andythenorth> it's the fastest one, right
20:19:38  <Alberth> oh right
20:19:52  <andythenorth> faster is always better
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20:20:34  <Alberth> not sure about that, but some more differentiation in speed would be nice, I think
20:21:08  <Alberth> maybe nuts will give them at some point in the future :)
20:21:22  <planetmaker> ah, the speed thing
20:21:31  <planetmaker> sure, he has some point with the income curve
20:21:32  <andythenorth> I don't understand it
20:21:34  <andythenorth> faster is better
20:21:38  <andythenorth> faster = delivered sooner
20:23:07  <Alberth> oh, from an income pov, no doubt about that
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20:35:47  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> faster = delivered sooner <-- in theory yes, but the income curve is somewhat odd in that beyond a certain point, it just does not matter, because the cargo has been going for so long that just distance counts
20:36:30  <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm pretty sure that there is some time cap on cargo age that he did not even consider in his maths
20:36:33  <andythenorth> faster is better :P
20:36:42  * andythenorth is not using facts or logic
20:37:09  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well his main point is that the logic and facts should represent your opinion :p
20:37:22  <Eddi|zuHause> just he has an odd way of saying it
20:37:26  <andythenorth> station rating considers speed?
20:37:40  <andythenorth> also track utilisation is higher with higher vehicle speeds
20:37:45  <Eddi|zuHause> unless you use a FIRS that overrides rating :p
20:37:49  <andythenorth> throughput-per-tick is better
20:38:00  <andythenorth> so has he considered the amortised cost of infrastructure?
20:38:03  <Eddi|zuHause> and point-to-point lines with one single train
20:38:08  <andythenorth> or the economic effect on station ratings?
20:38:23  * andythenorth is dicking around, for the record
20:38:28  <andythenorth> maybe I should go to bed
20:39:00  <Eddi|zuHause> how can you go to bed with this hammering noise?
20:39:39  <Alberth> going to bed does not imply sleeping :)
20:40:18  <andythenorth> the only noises I now hear are (1) crying child (2) drunks in street outside
20:40:37  <andythenorth> both are approximately frequent
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20:41:27  <andythenorth> nothing else keeps me awake
20:42:21  <andythenorth> bye
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20:44:17  <peter1139> doobedoob
20:45:21  <rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the aging period is 255 cargo_age_periods (in ticks); normally ~1.75 years, but since it's now a NewGRF property, it can be much sooner or later
20:47:33  <Xaroth|Work> does that mean that newgrfs can make the 'profit' from those incredibly long lines near-naught?
20:47:59  <Eddi|zuHause> no
20:48:03  <Xaroth|Work> aww
20:48:26  <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, an industry newgrf can make custom payment calculation
20:48:52  <Eddi|zuHause> but what rubidium meant was the cargo aging period, which can be varied on a per-vehicle-basis
20:49:14  <Eddi|zuHause> default is 185 ticks
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20:53:24  <rubidium> Xaroth|Work: it means that if transporting takes more than 1.75 years (in the normal case) with a fast vehicle, you'd get the same income as with a slower vehicle take longer (like 3.5 years)
20:55:19  <rubidium> or in other words: "average speed for payment" = distance / min(1.75 years, transport time)
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21:19:10  <Phreeze> seems so
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