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I'm trying to set a font on OpenTTD on OS X and it seems to be ignoring the values I put in and I'm pretty sure they're valid 05:53:59 <lucky_> fonts: Tahoma / Tahoma, bold / Times / Courier New, sizes: 18, 21, 26, 18 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD43BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66ABF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:18:00 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 07:17:12 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:51 *** Xaroth|Work [~XarothAtW@00017153.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:38:13 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:59:02 <LordAro> lucky_: settings like that will only be reloaded when OTTD starts - you're not trying to modify the settings while OTTD is running? 08:01:12 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:08:53 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:45:48 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:12:00 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 09:44:58 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:51 <peter1139> Heh 10:26:10 <peter1139> So I though... I know, I'll play some Jethro Tull. So I searched on YouTube and found a full album to play. 10:26:23 <peter1139> Then I noticed the uploaded has a TTD icon and has the named TTDLX... 10:26:27 <peter1139> -d+r 10:27:03 <peter1139> -d 10:27:10 <peter1139> Where's the coffee? 10:28:10 <NGC3982> Morning. 10:28:29 <NGC3982> Oh, yes. Coffee. 10:28:31 <NGC3982> Good idea. 11:20:13 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 11:27:51 <peter1139> hmm, dhcp-specified routing is dumb 11:28:22 <NGC3982> What can one use it for? 11:28:27 <peter1139> static routing 11:28:45 <NGC3982> It has been many years since i had to do anything with dhcp 11:29:10 <NGC3982> Having a reliable router kind of defeats the point of changing anything. 11:29:16 <peter1139> I run it on my Pi, because ADSL routers are invariably crap at it. 11:29:25 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 11:29:43 * NGC3982 has used his e3000 for two years, and loves it dearly. 11:30:26 <peter1139> Ideally I'd just have an ADSL modem/WiFi router that just runs Linux instead of some bastardised locked down GPL-violating version... 11:32:19 <NGC3982> I see. 11:32:23 <NGC3982> I use ddwrt. 11:33:40 <peter1139> ddwrt does not generally do ADSL. 11:33:54 <NGC3982> Oh, alright. 11:34:18 <NGC3982> My only experience with it is in routers, like the WRT54GL, or the e3000 i have now. 11:34:50 <peter1139> I think you have a surplus comma there. 11:35:29 <peter1139> With the first comma, you imply that my ADSL modem/WiFi router is not a router. 11:36:00 <peter1139> Language, eh? 11:36:00 <NGC3982> I have an issue with commas both in Swedish and English. 11:36:16 <NGC3982> For some reason, it feels like i need to separate it. 11:36:23 <NGC3982> For some reason it feels like i need to separate it? 11:36:38 <V453000> my ass is grass 11:37:26 <peter1139> By separating the phrase "My only experience with it is in routers" you are stating that I was talking about not-routers. 11:37:51 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:38:57 <peter1139> And... my router is not listed on dd-wrt.com... :( 11:39:01 <NGC3982> Oh. 11:39:02 <NGC3982> :D 11:39:23 <peter1139> Not even as no or not possible. 11:42:57 <peter1139> My current router doesn't even do SNMP so I can't monitor bandwidth :( 12:01:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:05:33 <NGC3982> When using a combo signal to let a train continue on a main line instead of trying to enter a full station 12:05:57 <NGC3982> Does the main line need to have a full functioning route back to the initial combo signal to work? 12:06:12 <V453000> yes 12:06:33 <V453000> signal logic needs to be transmitted over tracks 12:06:37 <NGC3982> I see. That figures, since: http://i.imgur.com/9qwp7H7.png 12:07:26 * NGC3982 tries something more productive. 12:07:46 <NGC3982> When just learning how to use entry-combo-exit signals, one feels the need to use them everywhere. :-) 12:10:55 <V453000> you just built an eternal red :D 12:11:01 <V453000> this will never turn green on itself 12:11:33 <V453000> one of them has to be 1way to solve that 12:12:01 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:14:51 <NGC3982> I noticed. :P 12:21:48 <peter1139> Yay for path signals, alas poor yorick. 12:22:03 * yorick resets the counter 12:28:19 <peter1139> The @seen counter? 12:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause> why do we have a TrueSatan and why is that not an alias of TrueBrain? :p 12:33:14 <Xaroth|Work> isn't that implied? 12:34:00 <V453000> :d 12:35:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:31 <andythenorth> o/ 12:35:37 <V453000> no! 12:37:51 <NGC3982> Ok :( 12:38:00 <V453000> (: 13:00:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:50:00 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-69-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:00:43 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:07 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:33 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 14:19:01 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has quit [Quit: I'm using a Free IRC Bouncer from BNC4FREE - http://bnc4free.com/] 14:37:31 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 14:47:37 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:52 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:33 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:45 *** Hazzard [~oftc-webi@207.163.167.2] has joined #openttd 15:32:09 <Belugas> hello 15:32:59 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:54 <Hazzard> Hi 15:46:18 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 16:10:53 *** Knogle2 [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:15:07 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:25 *** Hazzard [~oftc-webi@207.163.167.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:55:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.183.98] has joined #openttd 17:09:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0088d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:21 *** Knogle2 is now known as Knogle 17:17:02 <Knogle> "You may not change nickname while banned or moderated on a channel" are annoying :P 17:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> don't get banned or moderated then :) 17:21:38 *** Hazzard [~cfa3a702@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:23:19 <frosch123> hmm... "andedrunkard" looks very similar to "andythenorth" 17:23:31 <andythenorth> only in your mind :P 17:23:37 <andythenorth> @seen pikk 17:23:37 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen pikk. 17:23:41 <andythenorth> +a 17:23:44 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 17:23:44 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 21 hours, 37 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Pikka> not usually, for cargo, no 17:23:48 <andythenorth> where is my GS :P 17:24:11 <frosch123> -1.26% today 17:30:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:08 *** Hazzard [~cfa3a702@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:56:51 <lucky_> hi everyone. I'm trying to set a font on OpenTTD on OS X and it seems to be ignoring the values I put in and I'm pretty sure they're valid 17:57:03 <lucky_> fonts: Tahoma / Tahoma, bold / Times / Courier New, sizes: 18, 21, 26, 18 18:00:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:00:44 <planetmaker> lucky_, first thing, close OpenTTD 18:02:20 <planetmaker> and then you need to give the filename which provides the font, not the fontname itself 18:02:27 <planetmaker> it might co-incide, but not sure 18:03:12 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_troubleshooting#My_User_Interface_is_too_small_to_read_.2F_My_font_is_unreadable_or_faulty @ lucky_ 18:04:50 *** triad [~triad@5-13-83-207.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 18:08:25 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 18:13:32 *** roadt_ [~roadt@223.240.101.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:08 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 18:17:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:18:15 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3CEF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: both font name and filename should work 18:22:38 <Alberth> o/ 18:23:13 <lucky_> It's sort of working, some parts of my UI are changed, but things like the budget and other text remain the default font which is far too small for me ;( 18:27:42 <lucky_> ah got it :) tahnks 18:29:53 <planetmaker> \o Alberth :) 18:30:11 *** triad [~triad@5-13-83-207.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:30:25 <andythenorth> lucky_: put your screen in lower res ;) 18:30:27 <Alberth> hello :) 18:30:36 * andythenorth has low-tech solutions :P 18:31:30 <planetmaker> I quite agree that the minimap legend is for me also not at but over the brink of being readable :) 18:31:52 <andythenorth> use a magnifying glass? o_O 18:31:56 <planetmaker> maybe it should somehow read the dpi of the display and choose accordingly 18:31:57 <andythenorth> or a monocle? 18:32:07 <planetmaker> I simply chose a bigger small font in my cfg :P 18:33:13 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:01 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:34:11 <planetmaker> I've the feeling that in the long run we need some more automatism there. Or at least a visible UI 18:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> just yesterday someone said "we don't need a font gui" 18:38:46 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:39:13 <andythenorth> I for one intend to keep peering at the screen 18:39:20 <Alberth> just make all sprites in SVG :) 18:40:14 <planetmaker> not me, Eddi|zuHause :) 18:40:21 <planetmaker> (and I disagree) 18:40:39 <planetmaker> though 'need' is a strong word, but nice-to-have, certainly 18:41:09 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 18:45:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26400 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2014-03-13 18:45:28 UTC) 18:45:38 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:39 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 5 changes by siu238X 18:45:40 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 6 changes by siu238X 18:45:41 <DorpsGek> polish - 30 changes by McZapkie 18:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the postulate was "people set this up once and then never touch again", which is a very weak argument 18:47:49 <planetmaker> Yes, I was present when that was said :) 18:48:14 <planetmaker> And I agree, it's not a strong argument :) 18:57:00 <frosch123> but a realistic one :p 19:10:35 <planetmaker> I don't say it's an argument nor an invalid one. But not strong :) And it can also cut the other way. As was just demonstrated 30 minutes ago :) 19:14:06 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:10 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 19:46:52 <Phreeze> got a ts server, about 10 people on, i know noone of them xD 19:47:13 <Phreeze> "freinds of friends of friends that know some guys' friends" 19:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and you tell this to a channel where you don't know anybody? 19:49:59 <Kjetil_> maybe it's contagious! 19:50:36 *** Kjetil_ is now known as Kjetil 19:50:44 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:05 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:52:14 <Wolf01> hi hi 19:52:28 <Alberth> moin 19:54:33 <andythenorth> what shall we make? 19:55:45 <Phreeze> kids 19:55:51 <Phreeze> steam down... 19:56:00 <Phreeze> tells me to play openttd then.. 19:56:08 <Wolf01> ah, ok, then it's not only for me 19:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "make kids"? i think andythenorth can barely cope with the ones he has :) 19:57:08 <andythenorth> I have quite enough of them 19:58:59 <Phreeze> more than 3 ? 19:59:13 <Phreeze> (it sounds that you have "more than usual") 20:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "usual" is something like 1.2 or so 20:01:33 <andythenorth> 2 is enough 20:02:06 * andythenorth starts rewriting code 20:02:19 <andythenorth> if I don't do it this way, I'll never know what I would have regretted 20:03:20 <andythenorth> urgh 20:03:25 * andythenorth just had a horrible though 20:03:29 <andythenorth> thought * 20:03:40 <planetmaker> just one? :) 20:04:04 <andythenorth> just the one in the last few minutes 20:04:18 <andythenorth> my RVs are curently made up of three parts 20:04:28 <andythenorth> because they're copied from IH, and that's the way IH does it 20:04:48 <andythenorth> one of the side effects is that some IH 'vehicles' carry more than one cargo at once 20:04:59 <andythenorth> should RVs have multiple cargos? 20:05:03 <andythenorth> someone say no :P 20:05:14 <Taede> yes please 20:05:21 <planetmaker> ugh 20:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you're thinking passengers/tourists, probably not. 20:06:00 <andythenorth> buses with pax + mail? :P 20:06:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "Postkutsche" -> passengers/mail 20:06:18 <andythenorth> I dunno if they'd be routable to stations? 20:06:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but that probably died out somewhere in the 1920s 20:06:29 <planetmaker> even then I'm not convinced, Eddi|zuHause. You'll then need always combined stations 20:06:30 <andythenorth> postbus 20:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think that ever works properly 20:07:13 <planetmaker> exactly 20:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it sounds like a really bad idea in every way imaginable 20:07:51 <frosch123> just make V draw a road railtype :p 20:07:59 <frosch123> then yuo can assemble mixed cargo rv 20:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: and you lose the only advantage of roadvehicles: use them in town 20:08:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I am -1 to it as well 20:08:54 <andythenorth> decision made 20:09:14 <frosch123> hmm, yeah 20:09:32 <frosch123> better make a city canal roadtype, and let gondolas run on it 20:09:49 <planetmaker> damn, frosch123 ! 20:10:01 <andythenorth> now it has to be done 20:10:06 <planetmaker> that would look frigging awesome 20:10:27 <andythenorth> it would have to have a way to transfer to bigger ships without looking stupid 20:10:48 <andythenorth> there is a third roadtype slot, or is that broken / a myth? 20:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that was removed 20:11:48 <planetmaker> yeah, it existed but is gone for a few years now 20:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: is a canal a road-like or a tram-like roadtype? 20:12:09 <andythenorth> tram like 20:12:31 <planetmaker> road-like 20:12:32 <andythenorth> actually, drive in stops would be handy for canal boats :P 20:12:38 <frosch123> andythenorth: people noticed that three roadtypes make no sense on a single tile at once 20:12:49 <andythenorth> frosch123: those pesky people 20:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause> tram-like means if you combine it with a road, busses can drive in the canal, and road-like means if you combine it with a tram rail, trams can drive in the canal 20:13:04 <frosch123> don't do articulated gondolas 20:13:09 <andythenorth> make it boatlike 20:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i'm still convinced that i'll need 3 on one tile 20:13:42 <andythenorth> I would settle for some canal boats 20:13:55 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i thought you settled on making it do transitons like elrail 20:13:56 <andythenorth> bridges would be stupid though 20:14:16 <andythenorth> tunnels are ok 20:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that only solves half the problems 20:14:31 <frosch123> yeah, i think the ship tunnel topic also lists gondolas :p 20:14:52 <Eddi|zuHause> there are canal bridges 20:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i visited one in france once 20:15:08 <andythenorth> I guess we'd just draw locks on the slopes (if present) 20:15:24 <andythenorth> bridges are fine, the issue is that they'd look stupid when they end in a bridge slope 20:15:43 <andythenorth> I could live with it 20:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but you can't really forbid slopes 20:16:13 <andythenorth> slopes on land just need locks - instead of pavements :P 20:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> at least no roadtype proposal ever contained that flag :p 20:16:34 <andythenorth> really-flat-roads :P 20:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you need a road-object for locks :) 20:16:59 <andythenorth> state machine? 20:17:06 <andythenorth> let me convert you into an autoreply bot :) 20:17:20 <andythenorth> oh, I'm not smart enough to do that :( 20:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck :) 20:17:32 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: when andy mentions locks, it's your turn to mention falkirk wheels and state machines 20:17:43 <planetmaker> I really wonder whether transport types wouldn't be the 'better' generalisation ;) 20:17:44 <andythenorth> rivers as a roadtype? 20:17:55 <planetmaker> instead of [road|rail|canal|...] 20:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a falkirk wheel? 20:17:57 <frosch123> oh, i was to slow 20:18:00 <frosch123> he actrually did 20:18:07 <andythenorth> planetmaker: bi-directional? 20:18:20 <planetmaker> andythenorth, whatever is defined as compatible. Up to you ;) 20:18:37 <andythenorth> also ski-lifts, aerial tramways, people movers, magic walking floors :P 20:18:39 <planetmaker> with a property which defines pathfinder / signals / ... as property 20:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you forgot pipelines and electricity wires 20:19:05 <andythenorth> why are canals-as-roadtype better than just 'canals' ? 20:19:13 <andythenorth> I mean, one of them already exists 20:19:25 <andythenorth> oh, the docks suck, I remember 20:19:48 <andythenorth> and narrow boats could pass instead of driving through each other 20:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the complaint was that towns can't grow along "road-rails" :) 20:20:26 <planetmaker> they would simply be another road type thing then 20:20:45 <andythenorth> venice! 20:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (although my roadtype suggestion included a flag "can't grow along this roadtype") 20:22:21 *** gpsoft [~gpsoft@97e1b052.skybroadband.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:47 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-111-70-207.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:24:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "Kerry says 20.000 soldiers are on the Crimea"... aren't they allowed to have like up to 25.000 anyway? 20:28:53 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:37:10 <TinoDidriksen> In their bases, yes. Out and about, no so much. 20:39:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:58 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:02:17 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0088d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:10:25 <andythenorth> oh 21:10:35 <andythenorth> this code doesn't need much refactoring :( 21:11:44 <andythenorth> I accidentally abstracted most of it for trains, I just have to stop building 3 vehicles where 1 will do 21:13:18 *** Zoolevation [50657be1@109.169.29.95] has joined #openttd 21:14:46 <andythenorth> hmm that was way too easy 21:14:50 <andythenorth> I distrust it 21:14:54 <andythenorth> something must be wrong 21:16:57 <Zoolevation> Hello, I got a question, when a station offers goods or passengers, etc. The number of it drops after a short period of time when it is not collected by a train etc. Is it possible to turn that off? 21:17:30 <Alberth> only by better servicing the station, afaik 21:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to keep the station rating high 21:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that can be done by various ways, like frequent bus service, or writing a newgrf 21:22:00 <Zoolevation> alright, thanks guys! 21:24:46 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Wasting time is an important part of living.] 21:24:47 <andythenorth> ah 21:24:52 <andythenorth> make != make install 21:25:03 <andythenorth> trying to test a grf with make alone leads to wrong results 21:25:19 <planetmaker> hm ,really? 21:25:32 <andythenorth> really :P 21:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i symlinked my compile output into the newgrf directory 21:25:52 <andythenorth> wrong make target causes things to look not broken when you expect them to be broken :) 21:26:21 * planetmaker never uses 'make install' 21:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, "make install" does evil things, avoid it whenever possible 21:27:05 <andythenorth> orly? 21:27:21 <andythenorth> every day is a school day 21:27:46 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-182-215.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:28:40 <Phreeze> when compilking stuff for yourself, it usually fails hard^^ 21:28:46 <Phreeze> always a dependency that fails 21:28:58 <andythenorth> ? 21:29:17 <Phreeze> make install 21:30:09 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 21:30:15 <Alberth> in my experience it more often fails on /me making a mistake in the code :) 21:32:35 <andythenorth> +1 21:32:57 <andythenorth> I have never known anything cause 'make install' to fail that doesn't also cause 'make' to fail 21:33:07 <andythenorth> except a bad path in the makefile config for install location :P 21:33:11 <Phreeze> i dont write code, but when i download source and want to compile it, it gives me errors 21:35:14 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:41:02 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:07:37 *** Hazzard is now known as Hazzard_AFK 22:08:15 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@13-17-191-195.ftth.glasoperator.nl] has joined #openttd 22:09:45 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:14:32 <andythenorth> bully for me 22:14:52 <andythenorth> my RV set now has 3 mining trucks that are already in HEQS anyway, but in this set they're broken! 22:14:57 <andythenorth> shall I release it? o_O 22:15:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B0E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:01 <Pikka> probably 22:20:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:21:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 22:21:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:03 <andythenorth> hey look 22:23:06 <andythenorth> it's pikka 22:23:07 <Pikka> where? 22:23:10 <andythenorth> just at bed time too 22:23:15 <andythenorth> probably under the bed 22:23:23 <Pikka> how rare 22:23:27 <andythenorth> 8.25 in Brisvegas 22:23:32 <Pikka> si 22:23:33 <andythenorth> quite late 22:26:06 <andythenorth> Pikka: made anything nice? o_O 22:26:24 <Pikka> errr, what's nice? 22:27:15 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3CEF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:27:44 <andythenorth> nice things are nice 22:27:46 <Pikka> working on this: http://i.imgur.com/b8mbFVr.png 22:28:11 <andythenorth> is it a boat? 22:28:14 <andythenorth> oh 22:28:16 <andythenorth> not a boat 22:28:19 <Pikka> it could be 22:28:20 <andythenorth> si nice 22:28:23 *** gpsoft [~gpsoft@97e1b052.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:23 <Pikka> if you put it in a water 22:28:33 <andythenorth> I like this scale 22:28:53 <Pikka> this is the second-last conventional rail locomotive 22:29:01 <Pikka> one more, then one monorail and two maglevs to go 22:29:24 <andythenorth> is it a helectro-diesel? 22:29:31 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:29:36 <Pikka> just helectros 22:29:51 <andythenorth> you and your simple sets 22:29:59 <andythenorth> you should try making something complicated for a change 22:29:59 <Pikka> no helectrodiesels, no 3rd rails, all very basic 22:30:32 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 22:30:52 <Pikka> there's also only one vehicle in the set (apart from the steam locos with tenders) which isn't 8/8 :) 22:31:00 <andythenorth> winner is you 22:31:01 <Alberth> who needs tracks, just drive on the ground, like zephyris does on mars 22:31:03 <andythenorth> is it 4/8? 22:31:34 <andythenorth> wonder if I could persuade Dan to make everything 8/8 or 4/8 22:31:40 <Pikka> it's 6/8... 4/8 is a bit wacky, scale-wise. 22:32:23 <andythenorth> it bugs me when I build a train and get 7.1 length :P 22:32:39 <andythenorth> is the over-length train penalty still insanely painful? 22:32:46 <andythenorth> or did someone fix it? 22:32:55 <Pikka> I think it's still insanely 22:33:01 <andythenorth> probably for the best 22:33:08 <NGC3982> My cat snores. 22:33:15 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:33:16 <Pikka> but yeah, it's only locos which I change the length on 22:33:30 <Pikka> all the wagons are 8/8, so getting the right length isn't too tricky 22:33:44 <andythenorth> I like my set, but maybe I'll use yours :P 22:33:45 <NGC3982> Also, what kind of douchebag wants to win a multiplayer year 500000 non-ending game so bad that they use all their money to water the whole map. 22:34:34 <andythenorth> spose it's bed time for andythenorth 22:34:40 <Pikka> 360 noscope airshot land lowering 22:34:44 <Pikka> goodnight andythenorth 22:34:51 <andythenorth> goodnight pikkas 22:35:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 22:35:12 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> my 13lu wagons probably make it a bit tricky to pick a useful engine to make train length a multiple of 16lu 22:55:58 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:56:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:19:02 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@187.58.247.248] has joined #openttd 23:37:07 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]