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Log for #openttd on 17th March 2014:
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04:35:38  <Eddi|zuHause> uhm whut? 8192
04:46:20  <Pikka> cheap at half the price
04:52:25  <Eddi|zuHause> now at score of 112988
04:52:58  <Pikka> I'm only playing it for the second time
04:53:14  <Pikka> got to 1024 and 6416 the first time
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06:27:35  <V453000> wat is the maximum (if any) length of an animation? for industries for example
06:31:09  <Flygon> Depends on if you rewrite the graphics rendering engine to support generating fractals on the fly
06:41:22  <Pikka> one should probably assume he doesn't
06:42:39  <Pikka> it's 128 frames for houses, 256 for industry tiles and practically unlimited for vehicles
06:44:18  <V453000> 256 sounds nice enough
06:44:22  <V453000> thanks
06:44:33  <V453000> ... any idea about the animation speed?
06:44:38  <V453000> like frames per second?
06:45:13  <Supercheese> I think there's a global animation counter you can use
06:45:21  <Supercheese> so any integer multiple of its base unit
06:45:31  <Supercheese> if I'm not mistaken
06:45:57  <V453000> right :0
06:46:10  <Supercheese> and there's also this http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Animation_speed
06:46:49  <V453000> looks nice enough :)
06:47:20  <Pikka> "global animation counter" is a vehicle variable
06:47:57  <V453000> I know that one ... wondering about industries atm
06:48:10  <V453000> :)
06:49:45  <Pikka> industry tiles have the property "animation_info" and the variable "animation_frame", both a single byte
06:50:35  <Pikka> + the aforementioned animation_speed, and a callback to start or stop the animation
06:51:10  <V453000> :>
06:51:26  <Pikka> industries are a pain to code
06:51:38  <Pikka> the only thing worse is stations
06:51:50  <V453000> that I assumed so far :d
06:52:09  <V453000> might still give it a try :)
06:52:15  <V453000> imagez first though
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07:34:22  <Supercheese> 'night
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10:36:35  <LordAro> mornings
10:41:12  <Taede> mornin
11:06:16  <LordAro> this was quite the amusing conversation: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3182/
11:07:41  <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: plz review my patch kthx
11:07:56  <LordAro> oh, it's better than just that :)
11:09:20  <Xaroth|Work> hahahaha
11:09:22  <Xaroth|Work> fucking epic
11:10:16  <LordAro> :D
11:13:51  <peter1139> lol
11:17:52  <Eddi|zuHause> why did you even reply to a random query?
11:17:59  <gpsoft> lol that was funny
11:18:53  <V453000> that is gold
11:20:30  <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: because getting random queries is not something i'm used to
11:20:48  <LordAro> and judging by his attitude, "she" would've kept messaging me
11:21:18  <LordAro> s/his/their/
11:23:51  <peter1139> ...
11:24:35  <peter1139> why can't people take other people on face value about their gender?
11:24:57  <peter1139> it's only something that matters if you're getting in to bed with them.
11:26:23  <V453000> some "she" kinds apparently want to take advantage peter1139 :)
11:26:35  <V453000> e.g. sac not even being female
11:28:04  <LordAro> wait, really?
11:28:17  <V453000> legal name is male
11:28:35  <LordAro> huh
11:28:43  <V453000> it showed when she put DMCA complaint on my dropbox claiming to have the stolen trees there
11:28:48  <V453000> "she" :)
11:29:12  <V453000> but who cares, I just found it interesting
11:29:22  <__ln___> who's "sac"?
11:29:36  <Pikka> is the right answer. :)
11:29:43  <V453000> exact
11:30:19  <peter1139> find it interesting all you like, that sort of accusation is unneeded and in some cases potentionally harmful
11:30:44  <peter1139> +but
11:31:10  <Pikka> __ln___'s was the right answer, I meant. and yes, peter1139.
11:31:14  * LordAro puts stolen trees in his dropbox, to prove a point
11:31:15  <peter1139> potentially, erm
11:31:22  <V453000>  /care
11:31:30  <V453000> exactly LordAro
11:31:56  <V453000> what strikes me is that anybody who just "claims" something without any reason can completely remove your whole dropbox just by one accusation
11:32:26  <peter1139> V453000, that's "DMCA" for you.
11:32:31  <V453000> I know
11:32:32  <V453000> but what the fuck
11:33:01  <LordAro> weird
11:33:32  <Pinkbeast> Probably not just DMCA but that a cheap/free service can't spend any effort on wondering if you're in the right...
11:34:05  <V453000> well yeah
11:34:06  <V453000> but still
11:34:17  <LordAro> why didn't i hear about this before?
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11:37:27  <V453000> my specific case? I probably had no need to ventilate it and make a noise around it as I dont care :D
11:37:49  <LordAro> but you usually make noises about everything :p
11:37:58  <V453000> that isnt exactly true :)
11:38:17  <LordAro> mostly true :p
11:42:08  <V453000> ok maybe about things that matter and "dudes" know shit about
11:42:11  <V453000> this matter doesnt :P
11:49:22  <LordAro> :p
11:57:58  <peter1139> So... i5 or i7?
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11:58:32  <V453000> 9
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12:02:07  <peter1139> They didn't use the i9 name in the end :p
12:02:48  <Pikka> i5 or i7 what?
12:03:14  <Pikka> should you get?
12:04:27  <Xaroth|Work> depends on which i5 and which i7
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12:18:37  <Erdzengel> ?
12:18:48  <Pikka> probably
12:20:25  <Erdzengel> Hm... Im Using IRC my first time and its... terrible... but i need help about the Terms of Conditions. Who can help me?
12:20:48  <Xaroth|Work> what can possibly be requiring help with the T&C?
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12:22:11  <Pikka> I guess we'll never know.
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12:22:42  <Xaroth|Work> or maybe we will
12:23:06  <Erdzengel> I want to know, if it is possible to make screen captured Videos of the Game for Youtube and if i can monetize them?
12:23:27  <Erdzengel> Im sorry but IRC makes many problems on my System...
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12:24:03  <Erdzengel> Or maybe someone knows where i can find the Information about capturing?
12:24:15  <Xaroth|Work> I'm not at right to give that permission, so can't help you with that
12:24:33  <Erdzengel> Who has the rights?
12:24:43  <Xaroth|Work> that really depends who you ask
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12:27:16  <Pikka> there he goes again
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12:42:10  <LordAro> dat broken internets
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13:39:48  <Celestar> hello ;)
13:43:48  <Xaroth|Work> o/
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15:08:05  <andythenorth> got 2048
15:08:08  <andythenorth> can have my life back
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15:25:49  <V453000> NO
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16:32:42  <Eddi|zuHause> life is totally overrated
16:36:24  <peter1139> Yours maybe :)
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17:33:39  <Eddi|zuHause> things that are overrated (according to grep): animations, comments, developing, employment, food, internets, life, money, nights, shutdowns, sleep, that, truth, university, work
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17:50:41  <frosch123> hmm, quite interesting log today
17:50:47  <frosch123> how unusual
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17:58:39  <planetmaker> quak :)
17:59:10  <Supercheese> bau bau
17:59:12  <Taede> mooooo
18:01:23  <Eddi|zuHause> which animal makes bau bau in which country? :p
18:12:16  <Eddi|zuHause> or did you mean http://wubwub2.ytmnd.com/
18:12:59  <Supercheese> Dogs go "bau bau" in Latin
18:13:03  <Supercheese> ;)
18:13:27  <Supercheese> And cattle, well, still muuuuu
18:13:35  <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, latin is not a country.
18:13:49  <Supercheese> You know what I mean
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18:32:57  <Phreeze> haha Eddi|zuHause
18:33:11  <Phreeze> that "work is ovverrated" has been said yesterday
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18:45:34  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26404 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/persian.txt (2014-03-17 18:45:11 UTC)
18:45:35  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:36  <DorpsGek> persian - 91 changes by rkarimabadi
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18:54:59  <Wolf01> woff
18:55:10  <Phreeze> wau
18:55:47  <Wolf01> oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to change the language processor :P
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18:59:44  <andythenorth> o/
19:07:41  <Wolf01> o/
19:31:08  <Phreeze> steam down again
19:31:54  <Phreeze> service sucks big a$$
19:35:55  <planetmaker> then let some steam off ;)
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19:53:36  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26405 branches/1.4/ (2014-03-17 19:53:30 UTC)
19:53:37  <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Branch: Less excuses to not do stuff in trunk.
19:56:36  <__ln___> *fewer
19:57:04  <planetmaker> we have uncountable many
19:57:11  <planetmaker> even fractional ones
19:57:20  <planetmaker> and irrational as well
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20:02:35  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26406 /trunk (9 files in 6 dirs) (2014-03-17 20:02:30 UTC)
20:02:36  <DorpsGek> -Change: heading for 1.5 now
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20:05:43  <andythenorth> not sure what to do now that 2048 is dead to me
20:05:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26407 /trunk/bin (9 files in 2 dirs) (2014-03-17 20:05:38 UTC)
20:05:46  <DorpsGek> -Fix: __ln__ never read the script compatibility files.
20:05:47  <andythenorth> I guess I have to write code
20:06:22  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26408 /trunk/bin/baseset (8 files) (2014-03-17 20:06:16 UTC)
20:06:23  <DorpsGek> -Update: Baseset translations.
20:07:39  <frosch123> andythenorth: ottd is dieing, there will be no more 1.4 nightlies!
20:07:57  <andythenorth> sad times
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20:16:11  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26409 /trunk (6 files in 6 dirs) (2014-03-17 20:16:05 UTC)
20:16:12  <DorpsGek> -Update: Version number in some more places.
20:28:48  <__ln___> Eddi|zuHause: http://joppi.github.io/2048-3D/
20:28:54  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26410 /trunk/bin (4 files in 2 dirs) (2014-03-17 20:28:48 UTC)
20:28:55  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Missing svn properties
20:30:18  <andythenorth> "Farm tram" or "Agricultural tram"?
20:30:29  <andythenorth> the direct analogue is Feldbahn afaict
20:33:31  <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26411 /trunk/src/linkgraph (demands.cpp linkgraph.cpp) (2014-03-17 20:33:26 UTC)
20:33:32  <DorpsGek> -Change [FS#5941]: Use better distance metric for link graph (MildaIV)
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20:40:29  <planetmaker> andythenorth, 'Feldbahn' sounds military
20:40:43  <frosch123> Feldbahn is the correct term
20:40:50  <frosch123> drove a few myself
20:40:55  <andythenorth> planetmaker: it definitely acquired military usage in WW1
20:41:00  <andythenorth> but it dates to 1870s or so
20:41:12  <andythenorth> most of the HEQS trams are feldbahn-ish
20:41:15  <andythenorth> or decauville
20:41:43  <planetmaker> I confess to not have heard that word so far. But I'll believe frosch :P
20:41:46  <andythenorth> the irony here is I need a reverse translation :)
20:42:07  <andythenorth> anyway, it's a tram for farms :)
20:42:07  <planetmaker> "country-side tram" would fit better
20:42:10  <andythenorth> rural?
20:42:14  <planetmaker> or rural. Yes
20:42:28  <andythenorth> AgriTram would be the modern brand name :P
20:42:38  <planetmaker> AgriTram [TM] :DD
20:42:53  <planetmaker> and soon people would call it AgroTram ;)
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20:43:12  <andythenorth> AgroTram Dynamic Haulage System TM
20:43:14  <planetmaker> And paint fear-imposing faces in the front with grafities
20:43:20  <andythenorth> that's NUTS
20:43:25  <frosch123> planetmaker: google for Feldbahntreffen
20:43:37  <frosch123> it's like "Pfadfinder", just with trains
20:44:25  <planetmaker> :D
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20:44:29  <planetmaker> looks like
20:46:05  <planetmaker> are you in one of those clubs? :D
20:46:43  <frosch123> not quite
20:47:20  <frosch123> but the friends of my sister are running one, where i was also around as child (about 10 years)
20:48:02  <andythenorth> neat http://www.lwl.org/pressemitteilungen/daten/bilder/39900.jpg
20:48:38  <andythenorth> ha ha there really is a prototype for everythign http://zug-und-eisenbahn.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/elektrische-feldbahn.html
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20:48:45  <andythenorth> that's close to something in HEQS :P
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20:51:14  <andythenorth> oh buy one on shapeways http://www.shapeways.com/model/834919/eimerkettenbagger-fur-feldbahn-in-1-87.html
20:51:23  <planetmaker> makes one wonder how many of those kind of vehicles are produced in that class :)
20:52:09  <frosch123> well, they are about the same as mining trains
20:52:10  <frosch123> same difference as with S and U bahn :p
20:52:50  <frosch123> (assuming you get the quote)
20:54:19  <frosch123> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldbahn <- pff, english wiki also uses the german term :p
20:56:24  <planetmaker> reminds me: ubahn? sbahn? whatever-bahn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5hkR-IAnwQ - explained for brits :P
20:56:43  <frosch123> exactly :)
20:57:09  <frosch123> ubahn run under ground except where they run over bround; sbahn run over ground except where they run under ground
20:57:17  <frosch123> same as with feldbahn and grubenbahn
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20:59:24  <frosch123> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Foerdergeruest_Headframe_Ottiliae_Schacht_von_1876.jpg <- in the bottom right you see some tracks i helped with building
20:59:35  <frosch123> though maybe also mostly standing in the way (age 10)
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20:59:40  <andythenorth> :)
20:59:55  <andythenorth> is that the Faller coal mine?
21:00:00  <andythenorth> maybe not
21:00:33  <frosch123> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottiliae-Schacht <- mostly plum (long ago), some iron (even longer ago)
21:00:43  <andythenorth> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FALLER-EXCLUSIVE-MODEL-940-HO-H0-KIT-Coal-Mine-Hildegard-/260697190179
21:01:29  <frosch123> http://www.industriedenkmal.de/zechen/bergwerke-harz-umland-hannover/schacht-ottiliae/ <- some more train pictures there
21:03:49  <frosch123> but well, those are only those which do not run, the rest is inside ofc
21:04:17  <andythenorth> hmm
21:04:18  <andythenorth> mines
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21:04:28  <andythenorth> glad I don't work down a mine
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21:06:48  <andythenorth> hmm
21:06:54  <andythenorth> what is a 'SimCity 4' ?
21:07:22  <frosch123> it is said to be the best simcity so far
21:07:29  <frosch123> though i have not played it since 2000
21:07:39  <frosch123> s/it/the series/
21:07:59  <andythenorth> looks quite compelling
21:08:07  <andythenorth> I haven't played SimCity since 1994
21:08:35  <frosch123> "simcity 5" is considered weird or so, and the latest from last year is not even worth mentioning
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21:10:42  * andythenorth steers away
21:10:45  <andythenorth> back to OTTD
21:11:54  <LordAro> note to self, don't click on the changeset for a branch
21:12:13  <frosch123> should be empty :p
21:12:24  <frosch123> funnily ottd's changesets for tags or non-empty
21:12:26  <LordAro> not on hg.openttd.org ;)
21:12:37  <frosch123> hg?
21:12:44  <LordAro> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/branches/1.4.hg/
21:12:46  <frosch123> what does it do? crash?
21:12:59  <frosch123> oh. that one
21:13:02  <frosch123> i thought trunk
21:13:54  <frosch123> LordAro: i believe if you reverse that diff, you fix all bugs
21:14:04  <LordAro> :D
21:14:07  <LordAro> D:
21:15:09  <LordAro> anyway, this means an RC1 build is in progress?
21:16:04  <andythenorth> this newgrf compile is seriously slow :(
21:16:19  <andythenorth> 2s for templating just a few vehicles
21:16:31  <andythenorth> and at least another 1s to compile
21:16:47  <andythenorth> 9s in total in fact
21:18:25  <andythenorth> I need a faster computer
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21:44:04  <andythenorth> mail / valuables trucks should always be non-articulated?
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22:02:43  <planetmaker> andythenorth, I sometimes see mail trucks with trailer. But for gameplay articulation is not needed, I guess
22:03:01  <planetmaker> Those mail trucks do the long-distance mail haul, though. On the motorway
22:03:03  <andythenorth> ta
22:03:12  <andythenorth> I have long distance trucks for mail ;)
22:03:16  <andythenorth> these are for town stuff
22:05:24  <andythenorth> 'Express Truck' or 'Mail Truck' ?
22:05:36  <andythenorth> refits mail, valuables, diamonds, gold etc
22:05:41  <andythenorth> maybe goods and food, maybe not
22:06:23  <planetmaker> +-0 on the refit options :) Food or goods might make sense, though. Houses accept it
22:06:46  <planetmaker> What about "Delivery Truck"?
22:08:31  <andythenorth> could work
22:08:34  <andythenorth> Armoured Car?
22:08:36  <andythenorth> Security Van?
22:08:44  <andythenorth> Courier Van?
22:08:48  <andythenorth> Post Truck?
22:08:54  <andythenorth> Package Truck?
22:08:57  <planetmaker> My mail man certainly doesn't deliver with an armoured truck my letters :P
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22:09:30  <planetmaker> tbh, one door always seems to miss from those UPS trucks
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22:10:21  <andythenorth> saves on the cost of a door
22:10:35  <planetmaker> all the armour would be wasted :P
22:11:35  <Endymion_Mallorn> Hey all, dumb question.  NewGRFs for 1.3.3 can be copied from a Windows machine to a Linux machine and used without a problem, correct?
22:11:36  <andythenorth> I'll try Courier Truck and see if it looks odd
22:11:53  <planetmaker> Endymion_Mallorn, yes
22:12:38  <Endymion_Mallorn> planetmaker: Thanks.  You just saved my LAN party :-P
22:13:22  <Endymion_Mallorn> Oh, btw, all you NewGRF makers - thanks!  You really have changed my gaming pattern forever.
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22:24:50  <andythenorth> 'Tipper Truck' or 'Dump Truck' ?
22:25:01  <andythenorth> I guess en-GB and en-US for each
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22:26:15  <planetmaker> dump truck is easier to understand. But that probably is just me
22:26:32  <planetmaker> 'Muldenkipper' :)
22:27:14  <andythenorth> that's a Mining Truck :)
22:27:23  <andythenorth> also dump truck :P
22:27:37  <andythenorth> English is probably, on average, less precise than German
22:28:07  <andythenorth> oops http://static3.kleinezeitung.at/system/galleries_520x335/upload/6/5/6/3093422/Unbenannt-7.jpg
22:32:37  <planetmaker> wonder how they managed *that*
22:33:08  <planetmaker> that's a 'muldenkipper', yes. Did you mean something else?
22:35:35  <andythenorth> on-road tippers - specifically more like the kind for grain etc ;) https://www.flickr.com/groups/1328238@N22/pool/page30/
22:36:35  <planetmaker> Kippwagen or Kipplaster then
22:37:16  <planetmaker> dict.cc seems to offer tipper truck <--> Kippwagen and dump truck <--> Muldenkipper
22:37:27  <andythenorth> makes sense
22:38:09  <planetmaker> so tipper truck
22:39:02  <planetmaker> getting these names right is already difficult in the native language :)
22:41:37  <andythenorth> yeah :)
22:53:05  <planetmaker> good night
22:53:10  <andythenorth> bye planetmaker
23:02:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't use "-wagen" for a truck
23:03:30  <Eddi|zuHause> althoug technically both "Laster" and "Wagen" could be short for "Lastkraftwagen" ("LKW")
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23:04:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather use "-laster" instead of "-wagen"
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23:23:52  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln___: i think that's way eaaier
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23:29:46  <Wolf01> 'night
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