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<supermop> yo 06:20:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 06:26:23 <planetmaker> moin 06:26:44 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-17-205.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:30 <supermop> hi planetmaker 06:31:30 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-7-69.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:35:43 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:40:23 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-7-69.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:29 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 06:54:56 *** LSky [~lskynl@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 07:09:52 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:09:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:15:34 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:30 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-145-71.dynamic.qsc.de] has 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#openttd 07:45:11 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-229-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:15 <planetmaker> what do you mean with 'total conversion set'? 07:48:22 <planetmaker> There's NewGRFs and there's base sets 07:48:24 <peter1139> Changing everything. 07:49:07 <peter1139> But if it's baseset, that implies its suitable as a basic graphics replacement 07:49:12 <planetmaker> So it depends on whether you want to make something which is nice as base set and then want to fine-tune it by means of NewGRFs 07:49:33 <planetmaker> or whether you're interested in a gameplay goal - where then it may make more sense to start with everything NewGRF 07:49:50 <planetmaker> And possibly make a base set when it seems that you got everything covered anyway 07:50:07 <planetmaker> So possibly, I'd start with NewGRF only 07:50:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:28 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 07:58:38 <DanMacK> Hey all 08:00:57 <Taede> mornin 08:08:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:30 <andythenorth> o/ 08:12:36 <supermop> just want to make a diagrammatic set of graphics for playing the vanilla game, 08:13:29 <supermop> if i still had an office job i'd say it would be a 'worksafe' look, but i have broader ideas right now 08:14:22 <supermop> but regardless its just vector derived symbolic/diagrammatic sprites 08:16:19 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:19:09 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: I just started testing that branch with waybill patch applied 08:19:41 <andythenorth> after mashing ffwd for a minute or so, the cargo allocation to ship routes looks now balanced against train routes 08:20:29 <andythenorth> allocations of 13:34 or now 33:34 08:20:34 <andythenorth> or / are /s 08:27:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:35:15 <fonsinchen> andythenorth, that's what I tested, too. 08:35:39 <fonsinchen> That's a fairly easy task for the algorithm, though. 08:36:02 <fonsinchen> Maybe you have something more crazy with multiple full loads, timetables and conditionals mixed in? 08:39:45 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:41:00 <juzza1> supermop: by diagrammatic graphics, do you mean something like this http://webstyleguide.com/wsg3/figures/11-graphics/11-12-700.jpg ? 08:43:38 <fonsinchen> Also the algorithm has the potential to greatly overestimate capacity if the route is not fully "timed", yet, while a vehicle is full loading. 08:44:11 <fonsinchen> That may be a good thing, though, as it gives an initial boost to new routes so that cargo is allocated on them right away. 08:45:07 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:50:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:53:59 <fonsinchen> I could generally add the current_order_time to the base value if the current order doesn't have wait_time, yet. 08:54:34 <fonsinchen> That would prevent that boost from going straight through the roof in pathetic cases. 08:54:57 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: I donât have any conditional orders :) 08:55:15 <andythenorth> I really wouldnât expect cdist to handle such complexity 08:55:44 <fonsinchen> People do expect that. 08:56:06 <andythenorth> I doubt they could describe what they actually expect the result to be 08:56:09 <andythenorth> except âmagic' 08:56:14 <fonsinchen> But to see the problem I'm imagining just make a route with a short non-full-load link followed by a long full load link and then watch how it gets ridiculously overloaded. 08:57:10 <fonsinchen> Well, in certain cases there are valid descriptions. I remember that guy with the aircraft taxiing around on the same airport, conditionally servicing it. 08:57:21 <fonsinchen> That should not distort the cargo handling, of course. 09:01:05 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:01:32 <andythenorth> lo Dan9550 09:01:34 <andythenorth> oops 09:01:36 <andythenorth> sorry 09:01:56 * andythenorth read âjoined' 09:02:06 <andythenorth> more sleep needed 09:06:45 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-111-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:59 <Phreeze> sleep is overrated 09:10:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:23 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:19 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [] 09:15:43 <Dan9550> sleep is for the weak 09:17:30 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:39:48 <andythenorth> is there some way to use timetables to space out vehicles? 09:39:56 <andythenorth> my ships keep bunching, which is visually ugly 09:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> set up a roundtrip time and then ctrl+click on start date 09:41:22 <andythenorth> how do I determine the roundtrip time? 09:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> there's an autofill 09:42:59 <Eddi|zuHause> which you should probably increase once it's done 09:45:37 <peter1139> hmm 09:49:24 <peter1139> i always forget about timetables 09:50:06 *** fjb is now known as Guest7844 09:50:07 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:22 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 09:53:45 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: what does that actually do? (conceptually) 09:54:24 <peter1139> Autofill will give you the total journey time including stops. 09:54:43 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:54 <andythenorth> and how is vehicle separation guaranteed? 09:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the autofill records one roundtrip, the adjustment is for variation in loading times so your vehicles aren't always late, and the start date calculates roundtrip time / number of shared vehicles 09:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause> this is set up once and then fixed 09:55:53 *** Sanfred_ [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:03 <andythenorth> I donât think Iâd have ever worked that out from the UI 09:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> separation is only ensured if your vehicles are not late 09:56:30 <peter1139> So if your network is congested they can still bunch up. 09:56:58 *** Guest7844 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:47 <andythenorth> I never understood timetables :) 09:57:59 <andythenorth> so it reduces speed of individual vehicles? 09:58:03 <andythenorth> or makes them wait longer at station? 09:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that feeling was probably mutual :p 09:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> they wait longer 09:58:15 <peter1139> makes them wait longer, if it's early 09:58:38 <andythenorth> and all the following vehicles then wait longer too? 09:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> although you can set a speed limit as well 09:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> only the first time 09:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> once it adjusts to the separation, there should not be a lot of waiting, unless you estended the roundtrip time too much 10:00:17 <andythenorth> so I need to watch the vehicles for the first roundtrip? 10:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> one vehicle 10:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the roundtrip time is automatically shared 10:01:22 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has joined #openttd 10:01:30 <peter1139> Assuming you use shared orders. 10:01:35 <peter1139> If you don't... do. 10:01:46 <andythenorth> I do 10:02:12 <andythenorth> I have to try this now :P 10:02:16 <andythenorth> I donât really understand it 10:02:49 <andythenorth> I need a faster ffwd :P 10:02:55 <peter1139> Thie timetable will take 104 days to complete 10:03:01 <peter1139> This vehicle is currently running 104 days late 10:03:02 <peter1139> Yers... 10:03:23 <andythenorth> urgh 10:03:25 <andythenorth> ships are slow 10:03:29 <andythenorth> maybe I should fix that 10:03:34 <andythenorth> this is boring 10:03:41 <peter1139> I have a patch for that... 10:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it should skip a full roundtrip after x% late 10:04:39 <andythenorth> peter1139: faster ships? Or just remove them? o_O 10:05:10 <peter1139> andythenorth, faster! 10:05:27 <peter1139> Silly instant stopping though. 10:06:23 <andythenorth> helps avoid collisions 10:07:32 <andythenorth> eh? 10:07:44 <andythenorth> my âwait for 3 daysâ at station order just got changed to 1 day 10:07:44 <andythenorth> :( 10:08:30 <peter1139> It will if it's still autofilling. 10:10:01 <andythenorth> oh 10:10:25 <andythenorth> then I have to reset that myself? 10:10:59 <peter1139> It'll finish autofilling at some point, then you can adjust the times. 10:13:13 <andythenorth> whatâs the ctrl-click on start date business all about? 10:14:59 <andythenorth> and why is it ânot timetabledâ after running the full roundtrip? 10:15:06 <andythenorth> oh just slow :P 10:15:29 <andythenorth> so how do I space out the vehicles? 10:15:30 <andythenorth> wait? 10:16:16 <andythenorth> or do I need to stop some? 10:16:51 <peter1139> 31st February. Yeah! 10:17:05 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3FC3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7464b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:44 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:21:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:07 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:34:38 <supermop> ok now that i have a handfull of 4x zoom 32bpp pngs 10:37:04 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: so for asymmetric cdist, what rule is used to divide cargo between destinations? 10:37:50 <fonsinchen> Distance only, after I've removed the tile demands 10:38:06 <andythenorth> I wondered about a âstupidâ mode 10:38:16 <fonsinchen> subject to the effect of distance setting, of course. 10:38:18 <andythenorth> just counts the number of destinations, divides evenly across them 10:38:35 <fonsinchen> set distance effect to 0 10:38:47 <fonsinchen> That's as stupid as it gets then 10:39:30 <andythenorth> I should try another game with asymmetric, but featuring all the other recent improvements 10:39:54 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:39:55 <andythenorth> waybill definitely clicks with my mental model for the game, but I wonder if itâs better or worse than asymmetric 10:40:08 <peter1139> Is asymmetric new or something? 10:40:14 <peter1139> It's what I have picked. 10:40:57 <peter1139> Hmm, cargo is only asymmteric. 10:41:41 <fonsinchen> symmetric doesn't make any sense for most cargoes 10:43:50 * andythenorth ponders Eddiâs point about town cargos 10:45:19 <andythenorth> incentives to distribute cargo or connect the network should be done by the GS 10:45:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:02 <fonsinchen> Yes, that's a separate question: Which link graph properties should be exposed to GS and AI? 10:46:15 <Wolf01> hi hi 10:46:20 <andythenorth> interesting Q 10:46:33 <andythenorth> Iâm also wondering if dist mode should be a newgrf cargo property 10:48:07 <fonsinchen> That would make the mode settings either obsolete or highly confusing. Might be good or bad. 10:49:15 <peter1139> Castle Point Steamer 10:51:01 <frosch123> anyone having issues with 32bpp-anim crashing in nightly (possibly windows)? i don't 10:53:53 <peter1139> Hmm, steam coming from below the ship :S 10:54:00 <andythenorth> peter1139: needs a smoke patch... 10:54:18 <frosch123> yeah, i should commit that one :) 10:55:28 <andythenorth> "he has a patch for thatâ 11:14:59 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:50 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: Iâm not sure player needs to set the mode per cargo 11:19:44 <andythenorth> I think itâs like payment rate and other intrinsic cargo properties 11:28:27 *** Haube1 [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:32:18 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:24 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:52 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 12:05:42 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 12:15:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26522 /trunk/src (9 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-27 12:15:14 UTC) 12:15:23 <DorpsGek> -Add: A config-file-only setting to disable usage of 8bpp video modes. 12:15:24 <DorpsGek> -Remove: [win32] fullscreen_bpp setting, which is replaced by above setting. 12:15:25 <DorpsGek> -Change: Disable usage of 8bpp blitters and video modes by default. Many modern OS and hardware cause issues with those. 12:18:30 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 12:18:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 12:35:09 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 12:35:09 *** bdavenport [~davenport@99-62-16-103.lightspeed.chrlnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:57 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:7caa:2c68:269b:1b22] has joined #openttd 12:46:15 <peter1139> Shocking./ 12:56:11 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@91.180.85.103] has joined #openttd 12:56:58 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 13:03:00 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:18 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:12:44 <LordAro> it finally happened 13:18:22 <peter1139> You're going slightly mad? 13:21:35 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26523 trunk/src/os/unix/unix.cpp (2014-04-27 13:21:30 UTC) 13:21:36 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5992]: OpenBSD compilation (MagisterQuis) 13:36:01 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@91.180.85.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:10 <LordAro> peter1139: well, other than that 14:02:25 <Phreeze> is there a way i can remove a timetable from a tram e.g ? 14:02:40 <Phreeze> stupid tram is waiting at a station for days.....a station with 1000passengers waiting 14:09:12 <Alberth> open time table, remove all times? 14:12:53 <__ln___> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/landfill-excavation-unearths-years-of-crushed-atari-treasure/ 14:19:41 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 14:30:19 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:25 <Phreeze> what i did finally ;) 14:40:09 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:7caa:2c68:269b:1b22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:18 *** \r\n [~512541453@0001c269.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:20 *** \r\n [~512541453@0001c269.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 14:56:45 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00:24 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:05 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:01:56 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 15:02:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:11 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 15:12:46 <Samu> hi. quick question. Is autoclean maximum value 240 or 256? wiki says 256, console says 240. Just wondering 15:13:19 <Rubidium> console's more likely to be right 15:13:33 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26524 /trunk/src/lang (53 files) (2014-04-27 15:13:27 UTC) 15:13:34 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Soon unneeded translations. 15:13:52 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26525 /trunk/src (9 files in 5 dirs) (2014-04-27 15:13:46 UTC) 15:13:53 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Screenshot format setting from GUI. 15:13:53 <Rubidium> 240 sounds better too because that's 20 years 15:15:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26526 /trunk/src (5 files in 5 dirs) (2014-04-27 15:15:28 UTC) 15:15:35 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Ability to set map generation seed via GUI. If you really need it, use the console. 15:17:02 <Samu> thx 15:19:56 <Superuser> Is there a specification of the OpenTTD map format anywhere? 15:21:17 <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/59367d649f6b/docs/desync.txt#l239 <- savegame container format 15:21:36 <frosch123> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/59367d649f6b/docs/landscape.html http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/59367d649f6b/docs/landscape_grid.html <- map array format 15:21:46 <Superuser> thanks 15:21:52 <frosch123> the rest is highly version specifiy, and no external tool will be able to learn that 15:23:10 <Superuser> damn 15:28:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26528 /trunk/src (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-27 15:35:31 UTC) 15:35:38 <DorpsGek> -Remove: A bunch of archaic settings from the advanced settings GUI. 15:36:44 <frosch123> DorpsGek: you are a mystery-monger 15:45:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26529 /trunk (4 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-27 15:45:53 UTC) 15:46:00 <DorpsGek> -Merge: documentation updates from 1.4 branch 15:51:15 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:54:51 <peter1139> Tyrant! 15:56:32 <planetmaker> hi hi 15:57:29 * peter1139 renames frosch123 the Gnome-oriser 15:57:48 <frosch123> what's that? 15:58:24 <peter1139> It's what the do to Gnome. Remove everything :p 15:58:45 <peter1139> I'd say remove screenshot formats other than PNG, myself. 15:58:47 <frosch123> oh, i am not actually removing... i am only hiding stuff under the carpet 15:59:59 <planetmaker> frosch123, that doesn't fit a carpet anymore. Must be a secret room hidden behind a big painting or so :P 16:07:30 <andythenorth> itâs a whole basement 16:07:39 <andythenorth> open the trapdoor, shove it in the cellar 16:07:44 <andythenorth> close the door quick 16:08:46 <frosch123> well, ottd does not have enough new features, so we have to take the ms office approach: reshuffle the interface on every release so noone finds stuff anymore 16:09:09 <andythenorth> itâs a winner 16:09:13 <andythenorth> works for me every time 16:09:36 <andythenorth> just keep moving stuff to settings-file-only 16:09:45 <andythenorth> itâs the OS X approach :P 16:10:19 <andythenorth> itâs not nearly as fisher-price as the UI suggests 16:10:33 <andythenorth> defaults write com.apple.foo allows a multitude of sins to be perpetrated 16:11:03 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:42 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:19:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:27:54 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D7F0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:11 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 16:30:12 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 11 hours, 2 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Pikka> no, I'm just not in here 16:30:20 <andythenorth> that pikka 16:45:14 <andythenorth> naughty andythenorth 16:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> this atari landfill thing was looong before i got interested in computers 16:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> when i got into computers the discussion was "amiga or pc?" 16:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and the gameboy was the hype! 16:59:14 <andythenorth> I google for source images, and find stuff Iâve made :( 16:59:16 <andythenorth> not helpful 17:09:22 <andythenorth> bridges on signals? 17:11:03 <Samu> what is the frames per sec of this game, I forgot again. 1 day is 74 tics is all I know 17:11:27 <planetmaker> 33fps 17:11:42 <Samu> thanks again 17:18:58 <Samu> what is the thing used to display the graphics. OpenGL? 17:19:03 <Samu> in fullscreen 17:19:16 <Samu> the API 17:19:20 <planetmaker> usually a graphics card and a monitor :P 17:19:44 <Samu> Bandicam isn't detecting any OpenGL or DirectX application 17:20:01 <planetmaker> because openttd isn't 17:20:49 <planetmaker> it uses blitting 17:21:57 <Samu> GDI Bit Blitting? 17:27:54 <Phreeze> Parameters of 'bitmask' cannot be greater than 31 <----- too many cargoes ??? got: bitmask(FRVG,FRUT,GRVL,LIME,POTA,SAND,SCMT,SGBT,SGCN,COAL,GRAI,WHEA,MAIZ,IORE,CORE,SUGR,AORE,CLAY,CMNT); 17:29:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: you can only put the first 32 cargos from the CTT into a bitmask 17:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> use the list properties for refitting 17:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> leave the bitmask empty 17:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be deprecated 17:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's impractical 17:29:56 <Samu> I managed to capture in fullscreen, though I expected to capture it in the upscaled resolution 17:29:58 <Phreeze> hm i dont get it 17:30:03 <Phreeze> list properties ? 17:31:03 <Phreeze> do i need to use the CC_blabla ? 17:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause> scripts/write_engine.py: file.write(' refittable_cargo_classes: %s;\n'%(allowed,)) 17:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> scripts/write_engine.py: file.write(' non_refittable_cargo_classes: %s;\n'%(forbidden,)) 17:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> scripts/write_engine.py: file.write(' cargo_allow_refit: %s;\n'%(add_cargos,)) 17:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> scripts/write_engine.py: file.write(' cargo_disallow_refit: %s;\n'%(rem_cargos,)) 17:31:28 <Phreeze> and then just disallow e.g scrap metal if i previously chose CC_bulk 17:31:40 <Phreeze> leave me alone with that python stuff^^ 17:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> these 4 properties you need 17:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you should use the cargo classes for cargos that are not yet known 17:32:58 <Eddi|zuHause> someone will invent new cargos in the next 5 years, and you can't always push out updates 17:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> use the allow/disallow lists for stuff that is already known 17:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> give lists as "[a,b,c,d]", not as bitmask 17:35:35 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> do not use the "refittable_cargo_types" property at all 17:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it has BAD SEMANTICS 17:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> did that make any sense at all? 17:49:01 <planetmaker> listen to Eddi|zuHause :) 17:49:23 <planetmaker> just those four properties 17:49:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26530 /trunk/src/lang (61 files in 2 dirs) (2014-04-27 17:49:36 UTC) 17:49:46 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:49:47 <DorpsGek> catalan - 19 changes by juanjo 17:49:48 <DorpsGek> english_US - 18 changes by Supercheese 17:49:49 <DorpsGek> italian - 17 changes by lorenzodv 17:49:53 <planetmaker> and list explicitly those known in cargo_(dis)allow_refit. And use classes for yet unknown 17:50:36 *** Chruker [~no@5634a366.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:50:59 *** Chruker [~no@5634a366.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 17:53:08 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:19 <andythenorth> and donât disallow classes unless you know exactly what and why 18:08:26 <Phreeze> why is it bad ? 18:08:29 <Phreeze> put a list in, win 18:12:12 <planetmaker> other ways you don't win. Due to time passing and sets doing different things which you can't take care of otherwise 18:17:00 <Phreeze> i'd go for: use CC_bulk etc. and disallow some cargoes you dont want 18:26:06 <andythenorth> if you disallow classes you have more chance of getting caught out by cargo authors doing something odd in future 18:28:52 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 18:29:39 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 18:37:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 18:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: there are two problems with "refittable_cargo_types": a) it has this weird 32 cargos limit, and b) it flips both on and off refitability, depending on if the cargo was already covered by any of the cargo classes, so if an industry set changes the cargo classes of the cargo, you get "wrong" results 18:40:09 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 18:40:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:41:57 <andythenorth> and then there is whining 18:42:01 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@122.298.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:24 <Supercheese> Huh lots of changes in advanced settings 18:42:44 <Supercheese> Oh yay, that means I won't have to translate those \o/ 18:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, frosch123 was on a rampage 18:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe he should play goat simulator 18:43:11 <Supercheese> I wasn't looking forward to "screenshot format" in Latin 18:43:58 <peter1139> Nothing like a dead language to translate to. 18:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause> what 18:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> 's the etymology of "screen"? 18:45:00 <Supercheese> Actually, I think Wesnoth already had translated that, now that I think about it 18:45:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i imagine "shot" and "format" are both words that already existed in roman times, just repurposed 18:46:20 <Supercheese> eh, it wouldn't have been that hard, but now I don't even have to ;) 18:46:35 <Phreeze> screenshot format = screenshot format in any language, if you don't mess up the foreign language 18:47:26 <Phreeze> 19:49:54] <@planetmaker> and list explicitly those known in cargo_(dis)allow_refit. And use classes for yet unknown 18:47:33 <Phreeze> the problem is not the cargo 18:47:47 <Phreeze> but for open hoppers e.g i need to assign a sprite to the cargo 18:48:00 <Phreeze> i cant just use black coal sprites for grain or so 18:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: that is totally separate 18:48:48 <Phreeze> not really: i have to define sth like : MAIZ: sg_fcs_grain; 18:48:58 <Phreeze> with an unknown cargo, what sprite do i assign ? 18:49:08 <Phreeze> default: sg_fcs_grain; 18:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: it's totally independent from the refitable lists. 18:49:21 <peter1139> Something generic. 18:49:27 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:49:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:49:31 <Phreeze> would show yellow "grains" even if the new cargo was red jelly beans 18:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> grey sounds good for generic 18:49:48 <peter1139> Cover it with a tarp. 18:49:49 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 18:49:55 <Phreeze> haha, that's cheating ;) 18:49:55 <Alberth> some cargos need to be covered in a hopper 18:50:06 <Phreeze> yeah, but not in ottd^^ 18:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> people will care more for actually transporting stuff rather than what it looks like 18:50:15 <Phreeze> in standard vehicles grains are transported "open" 18:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause> people have been playing with dbxl_ecs.grf for years 18:50:25 <peter1139> Make it a big read question-mark. 18:50:29 <Phreeze> hm "people" like me look into deetail :) 18:50:34 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:41 <peter1139> Lots of NewGRFs have covered cargo. 18:50:49 <Alberth> make an update when a new cargo is added :) 18:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: but you can't look into the future 18:51:10 <Phreeze> i can ! :> 18:51:27 <Phreeze> "i touch boobs to look into feature. with money-refund garantee" 18:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: there are 4 billion cargo labels 18:51:50 <Alberth> ok, look into your crystal ball, and do what it tells you :) 18:53:38 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [] 19:04:11 <Phreeze> btw: is it possible to receive an email if new strings are added/changed in the webtranslator ? 19:04:59 <Alberth> currently not afaik 19:05:18 <Phreeze> STR_ERROR_GROUP_CAN_T_SET_PARENT 19:05:22 <Phreeze> {WHITE}Can't set parent group... 19:05:27 <Phreeze> how is it translated in german ? :) 19:05:51 <Phreeze> cant find the word in my own language....(often the german word helps then..) 19:06:04 <Alberth> {WEISS}Kan ja die eltern grouppe nicht zetzen? 19:06:18 <Alberth> (pig-german) 19:06:24 <Phreeze> do 19:06:25 <Phreeze> not 19:06:26 <Phreeze> use 19:06:27 <Phreeze> google 19:06:30 <Phreeze> translate.....anymore 19:06:35 <Alberth> I didn't 19:06:52 <Phreeze> yeah i see ;) 19:07:26 <planetmaker> lol, Alberth :) 19:07:37 <Phreeze> is alberth dutch ? 19:07:52 <Alberth> no, alberth is not a dutch word 19:08:02 * Phreeze slaps Alberth around a bit with a large trout 19:08:19 <planetmaker> *snap* nom nom 19:08:21 <planetmaker> yummi 19:08:38 * planetmaker slaps PHreeze with the fish bone of a large trout 19:08:45 <Phreeze> hey 19:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> did planetmaker turn into a cat? 19:09:55 <Phreeze> Felix the cat 19:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> likes fish, catches stuff in mid-flight? 19:10:11 <Alberth> he didn't say meow 19:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not all cats meow 19:10:44 <Eddi|zuHause> especially feral cats 19:11:01 <Supercheese> or japanese cats, they nyan 19:11:14 <planetmaker> chhrrrr! 19:11:15 <Phreeze> and fart rainbows 19:11:16 <Supercheese> or maybe just nya 19:11:23 <Supercheese> I can never really tell 19:11:59 <Samu> i created a little video. I'm afraid it's difficult to read text on it 19:12:09 <Samu> https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=23b29f3de45f6f1f&id=23B29F3DE45F6F1F%21599&sff=1 19:12:41 <Phreeze> whats the resolution O_o 19:12:51 <Samu> 1280x720, but try fullscreen 19:12:57 <Supercheese> it seems dynamically compressed 19:13:00 <Samu> should upscale perfect 19:13:10 <Samu> 1920x1080 19:13:12 <Samu> at least 19:13:23 <Supercheese> i.e. when the screen contents are changing rapidly the resolution is dramatically reduced 19:13:39 <Supercheese> but when the screen remains static for a time, the resolution increases 19:13:46 <Phreeze> ship is lost ^^ 19:13:57 <Samu> yeah that bug 19:13:59 <Phreeze> k resolution is ok now 19:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> use less compression 19:14:03 <Samu> it's not lost 19:14:30 <Phreeze> what's the purpose of the video ? 19:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> set ship pathfinder to YAPF, ships get lost way less 19:15:29 <Phreeze> eddi, {WHITE}Can't set parent group... <-- how do you translate this into german ? 19:16:42 <Samu> pathfinder is YAPF already 19:16:44 <Samu> for ships 19:16:51 <Samu> the server isn't mine btw 19:16:59 <peter1139> Oh god the terrible MIDI music, make it stooooop. 19:17:10 <peter1139> (The Nirvana rip-off, hah) 19:17:12 <Supercheese> "{WHITE}Ãbergeordnete Gruppe kann nicht gesetzt werden..." 19:17:16 <Supercheese> according to the OTTD source 19:17:28 <Phreeze> hm... 19:17:45 <Phreeze> translates weird into luxembourgish 19:17:56 <Supercheese> "parent" being "the group this subgroup belongs to" 19:18:04 <Samu> also trains and ships are forbiden to take 90 degrees 19:18:05 <Phreeze> yep 19:19:36 <Superuser> Supercheese: we meet again 19:22:37 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: nice reply on the layers of patches 19:23:58 <Samu> Oh about MIDI music 19:24:07 <Samu> the system no longer goes mute 19:24:23 <Samu> the culprit was Adobe Flash 19:25:09 <Samu> if you recall, I had an issue with MIDI music making the whole system sound going mute, that only a reboot would be able to fix 19:27:26 <Samu> it was related to DRM stuff, you know... copyrighted audio parts screwing with the windows audio 19:31:02 <Rubidium> Phreeze: you could use some svn commit monitor and configure it to look only at changes to /trunk/src/lang/english.txt 19:31:12 <Phreeze> ... 19:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: sue them for computer sabotage 19:31:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:06 <Samu> I went to their tech support forum and geee... so many systems with the same issue 19:32:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26531 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2014-04-27 19:32:22 UTC) 19:32:29 <DorpsGek> -Fix-ish: improve consistency of the usage of max and maximum 19:32:31 <Rubidium> Phreeze: new updates ;) 19:32:38 <Samu> it usually involves a Creative sound card or audio chipset 19:32:51 <Samu> which I have 19:32:52 <Phreeze> translation currently locked...gna... 19:33:09 <Phreeze> 3 strings to validate ... 19:33:12 <Rubidium> Samu: then it isn't flash, but it's the driver/hardware of the sound card 19:33:32 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:33:47 <Rubidium> Phreeze: should be more than just 3 19:33:51 <Samu> well, I uninstalled adobe flash, never installed it again, and my system has never been muted 19:34:04 <Samu> ever since 19:34:17 <Phreeze> it's 3 left 19:34:26 <Phreeze> checked the 30 other ones already and added the 3 new 19:43:08 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-7-129.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:46 * Rubidium sees 14 strings needing translation for Luxembourgish 19:48:45 *** JdGordon| [~jonno@ppp118-209-98-237.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26532 /branches/1.4 (57 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-27 20:01:21 UTC) 20:01:28 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport: language updates 20:05:42 <planetmaker> good night 20:15:23 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:59 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 20:22:50 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.0.39] has joined #openttd 20:40:34 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:40:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26533 /trunk/src (59 files in 3 dirs) (2014-04-27 20:40:52 UTC) 20:40:58 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename some strings 20:41:11 <Phreeze> ...locked again :D 20:41:15 <Phreeze> damn commiter 20:41:16 <Phreeze> s 20:41:23 <planetmaker> lol :) 20:41:24 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 20:41:54 <frosch123> will happen again :) 20:42:10 <frosch123> i just have to wait to not completely break it again 20:44:26 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:36 <frosch123> Phreeze: please do not retranslate the strings i am removing now :) 20:46:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26534 /trunk/src/lang (57 files in 2 dirs) (2014-04-27 20:46:43 UTC) 20:46:50 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Soon unneeded translations. 20:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: that's what you get for trying to do work in one of the two months where actual development happens :) 20:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there's only ever development in april and november. other times it's either "the weather is too nice" or "the release is too close" 20:51:35 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26535 /trunk/src/lang (56 files in 2 dirs) (2014-04-27 20:51:28 UTC) 20:51:36 <DorpsGek> -Remove: Missed one 20:53:02 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26536 /trunk/src (lang/english.txt settings_gui.cpp) (2014-04-27 20:52:56 UTC) 20:53:03 <DorpsGek> -Change: Reshuffle advanced settings tree. 20:54:24 <Supercheese> Oh man 20:54:33 <Supercheese> my poor, poor translation working copy 20:54:36 <Supercheese> is now horribly outdated 20:55:02 <planetmaker> the strings themselves did not change really 20:55:15 *** Haube1 [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:17 <Supercheese> lots removed though 20:55:35 <Supercheese> I'm not really complaining, but yeah, actual development 20:55:37 <Supercheese> zounds 20:55:42 <frosch123> Phreeze: you can continue for today :) 20:55:59 <frosch123> planetmaker: even german is unfinished 20:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> these lazy german translators all the time 20:56:21 <frosch123> i am removing strings and all languages are unfinished nevertheless :p 20:56:28 <planetmaker> again? I finished it already once today :P 20:57:18 <__ln___> once Supercheese's latin translation is finished, it shall replace English as the primary source language for all other translations, right 20:57:19 <planetmaker> omg... what's a good translation of 'authority'? 20:57:28 <planetmaker> "Gebietskörperschaft". yeah... sure :P 20:57:30 <Supercheese> I should hope not 20:57:31 <frosch123> Verwaltung 20:57:36 <Supercheese> I am far from perfect 20:57:46 <Supercheese> there are bound to be errors 20:57:55 <frosch123> "Ãffentliche Verwaltung" even 20:58:03 <Supercheese> Auctoritas ;) 20:59:12 <Phreeze> STR_CONFIG_SETTING_ACCOUNTING 20:59:19 <Phreeze> in what context is this meant ? 20:59:23 <Phreeze> {ORANGE}Accounting 20:59:27 <frosch123> Phreeze: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/settings2014_2.png 20:59:27 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "Buchhaltung" 20:59:51 <Phreeze> planetmaker : AuthoritÀt would fit the best 21:00:09 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:16 <Phreeze> other strings might be too long for the button etc. imho 21:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: buttons scale with the text 21:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: and that is a horrible translation 21:00:47 <Phreeze> Stadtrat could be one too xD 21:00:54 <planetmaker> no sound yet, frosch123 ? 21:01:06 <Phreeze> Behörde <--- ??? 21:01:20 <Phreeze> accounting 21:01:23 <Phreeze> fc 21:02:08 <planetmaker> ah, nvm. changed strings 21:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: can you make this image with all default values? 21:02:52 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 21:02:58 <frosch123> no :p 21:03:00 <frosch123> why? 21:03:05 <planetmaker> wiki 21:03:17 <Eddi|zuHause> for the wiki, as reference 21:03:26 <frosch123> then wait till it is done 21:03:39 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.0.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:02 <Supercheese> oh poop 21:04:19 <Supercheese> should all of these setting titles be genitive, since they are types of settings...? 21:04:20 <frosch123> it will gain some more settings from other windows 21:04:37 <planetmaker> Supercheese, I don't think so 21:04:44 <planetmaker> Those are titles 21:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: what has genitive to do with anything? 21:04:59 <Supercheese> "These are station settings" 21:05:13 <Supercheese> hmm 21:05:22 <Supercheese> Yeah, guess not 21:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they are standalone nouns 21:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know any latin at all, but in german i'd use "Nominativ" 21:06:45 <Supercheese> Latin cases correspond pretty much exactly to German cases from what I know 21:06:48 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: do you know czech maybe? 21:07:16 <frosch123> Supercheese: not at all, german has 4 of the 7 latin cases 21:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> not nearly as far as to the point where cases matter :p 21:07:24 <frosch123> Supercheese: or rather 3 21:07:24 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 21:07:29 * frosch123 hides 21:07:47 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has quit [] 21:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "nobody uses genitive anymore"? 21:08:10 <frosch123> except in fixed phrases 21:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> "Wem seins is die Kaffeetasse?" 21:08:33 <Supercheese> Latin really only has 5 major cases 21:08:48 <Supercheese> so it seems German has amalgamated ablative into one of the other 4 21:08:49 <planetmaker> Tu quoque! 21:09:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "you chicken"? 21:09:31 <planetmaker> Tu quoque, Brute, mee filie 21:09:33 <frosch123> Supercheese: into dativ mostly 21:09:50 <frosch123> using prepositions 21:09:52 <Supercheese> makes sense, even in Latin ablative and dative are similar 21:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that's usually the point where learning foreign languages is most difficult: distinguishing things that are merged in your native language 21:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> like "ser" and "estar" in spanish 21:11:37 <Rubidium> what's more annoying is that words have slightly different meanings 21:11:42 <Supercheese> oh yes, that one always trips me up 21:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well that's vocabulary, it's solvable by investing enough time in it 21:12:45 <frosch123> oh, i was quite suprised yesterday when i heard an english speaker trying to pronounce "euer", which results in something quite close to "your" 21:12:56 <Supercheese> "oooh-err" 21:13:10 <Supercheese> eu being "oy" is very strange to English speakers 21:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: well the words ARE closely related 21:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> many german words you can turn into english by simple vowel shift 21:14:20 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: well, i would have guessed them to be unreleted before. but now it looks only like some small shift 21:14:54 <planetmaker> it sure is 21:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the time german shifted while english stayed 21:15:31 <planetmaker> leur in French surely is also the same 21:15:34 <frosch123> yeah, weird people on islands 21:15:41 <frosch123> they have stuff like kangaroos and such 21:16:49 <Supercheese> Soooo, in STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PATHFINDER_FOR_TRAINS and associated HELPTEXT 21:16:57 <Supercheese> sometimes it's "pathfinder" all one word 21:17:03 <Supercheese> other times "path finder" separated 21:17:15 <Supercheese> any particular reason for that...? 21:18:07 <Rubidium> I doubt there's a good reason for it 21:18:42 <Rubidium> just inconsistency... and that's not uncommon because it's an evolving set of strings 21:19:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not a native speaker, but i would combine them 21:19:43 <Supercheese> I vote to combine them 21:19:52 <Supercheese> it's almost always found compounded as a single word 21:20:03 <Supercheese> i.e. Nissan Pathfinder, Mars Pathfinder 21:20:34 <Supercheese> errr, e.g. 21:20:38 <Supercheese> damnit 21:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting fact: in german i'd use "search" insead of "find" in the word 21:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "Pfadfinder" sounds very boyscout-y 21:21:27 <Supercheese> or military 21:21:35 <Supercheese> Pathfinding Corps 21:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause> whereas "Pfadsuche" will actually be understood as what that thing does 21:23:18 <Rubidium> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3281/ <- lines in english.txt per release (about 20% larger than the actual number of strings) 21:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> filter out empty lines and comments first? 21:24:34 <Rubidium> TMWFTLB 21:24:38 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 21:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> grep -v? 21:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so it almost doubled since i came here 21:25:45 <Rubidium> find . -iname english.txt|xargs wc -l 21:26:10 <Rubidium> grep -v will mean I'd need at least a for loop and something to print the version 21:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> find -exec 21:26:37 <Rubidium> and actually I'd use grep ^STR 21:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> that even leaves out the "unsafe" xargs 21:27:26 <andythenorth> bye 21:27:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:27:49 <Rubidium> good idea andy ;) 21:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause> andy has so many ideas, some of them are bound to be good :p 21:32:22 <Supercheese> Beer; always a good idea 21:44:06 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.179.22.26] has joined #openttd 21:46:40 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.179.22.26] has quit [] 21:47:08 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.179.22.26] has joined #openttd 21:55:26 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:43 <frosch123> night 21:58:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7464b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:14:43 <Wolf01> 'night 22:14:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:17:38 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3FC3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:20:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:24:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:42 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 22:51:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:27 <Snail> anyone knows how to download an old stable version of ottd? 23:13:18 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3FC3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:15:47 <FLHerne> Snail: binaries.openttd.org/binaries/releases/index.html 23:16:16 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3FC3.versanet.de] has quit [] 23:16:55 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 23:16:55 <Snail> thanksQ 23:16:57 <Snail> thanks! 23:24:44 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:43 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:31 <Samu> when i download using the online content downloader, sometimes I get an upgrade available, i download it, and next time I check, it's still available again 23:41:40 <Samu> is this a bug? 23:46:35 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:39 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:56:31 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd