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ZZZzzzâŠ] 01:38:19 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:35 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:40:23 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:40:44 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 01:41:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 01:56:06 *** kiz [kiz@akane.kizzard.net] has joined #openttd 01:57:41 *** SpeedAtNight [~jimmy@108-247-201-96.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:12 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:58:49 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 02:11:59 <kiz> Is cargo price a function of distance as the crow flies? Seems like it should be, but figured I would check. 02:17:08 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@p57A08815.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:24:14 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0A15B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:36 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:49:00 <Supercheese> Yes 02:49:13 <Supercheese> the graph "Cargo payment rates" will confirm that for you 03:06:14 <kiz> got it, roger. 03:38:44 *** JGR_ [~JGR@host81-129-182-29.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:41:09 *** JGR [~JGR@host81-156-241-10.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:32 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:52:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-40-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 03:53:33 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.185] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is the next kick-ass irc client! 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Paper mills, but no forests. 06:31:33 <DJTch7> how do i fix this? 06:31:52 <V453000> have snow liner lower / mapr more hilly 06:32:01 <V453000> forests only grow above snow line in arctic landscape 06:32:04 <DJTch7> ok thanks! 06:32:11 <V453000> yw 06:32:56 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 06:33:11 <Flygon> It does annoy me that it Arctic by default works like that... 06:33:16 <Flygon> Makes irl scenarios a pita @_@ 06:35:00 <V453000> irl scenarios are also retarded for reasons 06:48:19 *** DJTch7 [~DJTch7@cpe-98-157-222-170.ma.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 06:50:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 06:50:40 <dihedral> <DJTch7> how do i fix this? <- plant seeds 06:54:18 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:54:18 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59:42 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.184] has quit [] 07:11:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B34B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:12:09 *** Airwave [~Airwave@94.246.37.45] has joined #openttd 07:12:40 *** Airwave is now known as Guest9685 07:14:13 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:20:45 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-85-3.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 07:30:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 07:33:23 <planetmaker> moin 07:56:42 <V453000> moooo 07:59:08 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59:36 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:45 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:25:53 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:01:33 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:52 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.185] has joined #openttd 09:43:12 <peter1139> http://youtu.be/QDvt5q6bt1s 09:43:45 <peter1139> Except I don't actually know the original theme... 09:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> you should probably catch up on that :p 09:51:45 <Samu> i like this, for some reason 09:51:48 <Samu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MteSlpxCpo 09:52:07 <peter1139> Yeah, they're good too. 09:55:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:56:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 09:57:57 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:44 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@659AAJ2TL.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7urc4KrB8Nw 10:11:56 <Samu> can we discuss about the road/rail crossings again? Why's it such a bad idea to implement? 10:12:22 <Samu> even as an option 10:13:27 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:37 <V453000> karma 10:14:35 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:14:42 <Samu> sorry, my connection dropped 10:15:05 <Samu> did I miss anything 10:18:35 <peter1139> road/rail crossings what? 10:19:33 <Samu> permission for a road being built on competitor's rail and vice versa as an advanced game settings 10:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: why would we discuss something that is already implemented? 10:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> make a newgrf that disallows crossing, boom! 10:20:02 <Samu> i wanted an option to turn it off 10:20:17 <Samu> yes, but that's the issue with creating newgrfs 10:20:20 <Samu> no one joins 10:21:51 <Samu> there are too many NewGRFs that change minor things, but just the mere presence of newgrf detracts players from even joining a server 10:22:31 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 10:22:38 <Samu> a toggle on/off switch was in my opinion a more feasible request 10:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> then work on more seamless newgrf integration instead 10:23:39 <V453000> you even care about running a no-newGRF server? :D 10:23:40 <V453000> :D 10:24:27 <Samu> there's one-way roads that can block a rail from crossing, how did that go without requiring a NewGRF 10:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> read the logs from 5 years ago? 10:25:25 <V453000> why do you even remotely care about the road crossings? 10:25:35 <V453000> towns build over them? retards sabotage each other? 10:25:47 <Samu> because it would help moderate servers 10:25:49 <Samu> yes 10:25:54 <Samu> not about towns much 10:26:01 <Samu> but more about trolls 10:26:09 <V453000> which is why servers with newGRFs are good 10:26:17 <V453000> 90%+ of the retards get filtered out 10:26:22 <Samu> im sorry, I have a different oppinion 10:26:30 <Samu> servers with newGRFs are bad 10:26:37 <V453000> ok :D 10:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: so the trolls now build rails around places so people can't connect there anymore with roads? 10:27:21 <V453000> servers with newGRFs are bad because? 10:28:05 <Samu> because no one joins, no one nearly knows what's in it for them 10:28:16 <V453000> idk we have 15 companies every single game with newGRFs 10:28:37 <V453000> and many not-noob people actually do know newGRFs 10:28:46 <V453000> the vanilla game gets boring after a while 10:28:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: maybe noone joins because your server is badly moderated? 10:29:23 <Samu> it's being moderated fine 10:29:35 <Samu> i just sometimes wish i could force the trolls not to kill trucks 10:29:35 <V453000> then you have bad settings/map/server name 10:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no amount of technical nuisances will ever replace good moderation 10:30:13 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@659AAJ2TL.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 10:30:17 <Samu> but i can build road bridges 10:30:30 <Samu> it's the rail/road combo segment I am against 10:30:49 <V453000> make a newgrf which disallows it :) if you want other solution, enjoy implementing it 10:31:26 <V453000> but yeah newgrf is horrible 10:31:34 <V453000> how could anyone develop newgrfs 10:31:35 <V453000> such evil 10:32:20 <Samu> for new players or old school like me, the expectation is a TTD-like experience 10:32:36 <Samu> I think you understand what I mean 10:32:50 <Samu> those who are already into modding the game are way ahead 10:32:54 <V453000> well then add newgrfs which do not remove that experience 10:32:57 <Samu> they're experienced players 10:33:18 <V453000> like adding a newgrf which disallows rail crossings doesnt quite change the TTD-like experience 10:33:31 <V453000> well having experienced players on the server is good? 10:35:06 <V453000> experienced players usually dont require you to moderate them and eventually help you with it, or can even become admins 10:37:22 <Samu> with modding I mean, playing newGRFs 10:37:25 <Samu> not moderating 10:48:13 <Samu> it's a combination of accessibility + enjoying experience + expectation Im thriving to get 10:49:06 <Samu> newgrfs impact accessibility / expectations too much in my opinion 10:53:32 *** subzero [~pop@vpn.blackhat.enterprises] has joined #openttd 10:55:23 <Samu> not to mention it would greatly ease moderation, pull a few trolls away 10:58:34 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc6-linl9-2-0-cust445.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:58 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 11:01:11 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 11:02:26 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 11:13:26 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc4-linl9-2-0-cust588.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:17 *** subzero [~pop@vpn.blackhat.enterprises] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:49 *** Guest9702 [~pop@vpn.blackhat.enterprises] has joined #openttd 11:23:30 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:19 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:06 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:33:58 <Samu> "towns are allowed to build level crossings" - is this what I think it is? 11:34:12 *** Guest9702 [~pop@vpn.blackhat.enterprises] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:33 <planetmaker> hard to tell. But it is what it says it is 11:35:25 <Samu> what's a level crossing? 11:36:13 <planetmaker> something you should consult a dictionary for 11:36:46 <Samu> gee 11:36:59 <Samu> why not have that option for companies too 11:37:11 <Samu> it's exactly what I was asking 11:37:41 *** Guest9704 [~lol@vpn.blackhat.enterprises] has joined #openttd 11:37:48 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:44 <planetmaker> the next person comes "gee, that's bad! I can have level crossings for rail, but I don#t want them for maglev and monorail" 11:38:59 <planetmaker> The 3rd comes and goes like "yes, but for my new railtype I want to allow level crossings again!" 11:39:01 <planetmaker> and now? 11:39:50 <Samu> implement for the 3 rail types 11:39:53 <Samu> or 4 11:39:59 <Taede> why not disable roads in general, i never use them 11:39:59 <planetmaker> thus we now have the most flexible solution possible: allow that per railtype which can be easily defined by newgrfs. And the NewGRF could even have a parameter which allows you to configure that per railtype 11:40:03 <Taede> ;) 11:40:23 <planetmaker> Samu, but there are 256^4 different railtypes 11:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> 4 billion 11:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> or milliards 11:41:00 <Xaroth|Work> @calc 256 ** 4 11:41:00 <DorpsGek> Xaroth|Work: 4294967296 11:41:15 <Samu> ah, the technical side of things 11:41:58 <Samu> just a do for all, do for none 11:42:40 <Samu> have newgrfs bypass that setting 11:42:43 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has joined #openttd 11:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and then people will say "what? this setting doesn't do anything" 11:44:12 <Samu> i dont know how newgrfs work, but could they adjust for individual types? 11:45:37 <Samu> i believe this would be possible to do, but it would force newgrfs a bit of work 11:45:41 <Samu> those already existant 11:45:46 <planetmaker> they can give you that setting. So the discussion is settled? 11:46:45 <Samu> no, the setting is only available for newgrfs, a new kind of setting, dunno what to call it, a bypass main setting 11:47:31 <planetmaker> you don't understand. You can make a newgrf which introduces that setting for the existing railtypes. 11:47:36 <planetmaker> Problem solved 11:48:13 <Samu> yes, but i was imagining if my suggestion was actually implemented in the advanced game settings 11:48:52 <planetmaker> If you want to make it easier to use, provide a patch with a setting in the UI or so which could read "allow automatic download of missing newgrfs when loading savegames or when joining multiplayer servers" 11:49:41 <Samu> or maybe a different way to handle it 11:49:49 <Samu> let me think 11:51:34 <Samu> provide that advanced setting in the advanced settings, then the choices would be yes, no (except newgrfs) and a second no 11:51:53 <Samu> the 2nd no would affect newgrfs 11:52:20 <planetmaker> err-too-many-settings 11:52:28 <Samu> :/ 11:52:30 <Samu> okay 11:53:03 <peter1139> Owwwww 11:53:12 <peter1139> I stubbed my toe... on the wheelie bin. 11:54:30 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:49 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:04 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 12:03:56 <V453000> !dl win64 12:03:59 <V453000> asdf 12:04:15 <V453000> also, the time when many faggots keep using "stable" and not "testing stable" is here again :D 12:08:22 <planetmaker> you should call it only "testing" 12:08:37 <planetmaker> as that's the download link, too :) 12:09:48 <V453000> it should be called stable :D 12:10:01 <planetmaker> only those without -beta or -RC 12:10:23 <peter1139> "many faggots" what? 12:10:25 <planetmaker> it's the purpose of the testing builds to test whether they're stable. But they might not 12:11:02 <V453000> sure but many people boycott that purpose :D 12:13:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:14:50 <planetmaker> hehe, yeah 12:21:52 <peter1139> Well, the good news is I had bacon sandwiches. 12:21:57 <peter1139> The bad news is, I'm out of bacon :( 12:22:00 <V453000> that changes everything 12:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> good thing bacon grows in supermarkets 12:24:42 <V453000> : D 12:25:56 <V453000> that is about as logical as giant rocks falling from the sky to stone mines 12:25:58 <V453000> (y) 12:26:29 <planetmaker> power comes out of the wall plug 12:26:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:29:52 <V453000> wall slug 12:31:23 <Samu> how do newgrfs handle the 4 existant rail types? 12:31:39 <Samu> ignores them? accepts them? is based on them? 12:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> they can replace/change them but not remove them 12:33:05 <Samu> i see where the "too many settings" is coming from now 12:36:13 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:16 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:38:13 <Samu> towns don't build roads on monorails? 12:38:57 <Samu> i still think the best approach would be much like how towns do it 12:39:14 <Samu> if it were to be implemented, of course 12:39:58 <Samu> the 50 yearly game years would have road crossings, the later 50 years would haven't 12:40:50 <V453000> ._. 12:41:05 <Samu> then i could start up a game in 2000 or so 12:41:32 <Samu> but i dont know exactly how towns do it for monoral/maglev 12:43:03 <Samu> brb gonna check 12:43:48 <V453000> same way as for rail 12:43:50 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf?!? 12:44:13 <V453000> towns build roads on any rail if the setting is on, or on no rail if the setting is off 12:44:20 <V453000> you see, modification of specific railtypes is done by newgrfs 12:44:29 <V453000> but you hate all newgrfs, too bad 12:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's like hating all realism :p 12:45:28 <V453000> not really 12:45:35 <V453000> newgrfs are functional, realism isnt 12:45:40 <Samu> realism, who would want to die in a level crossing :( 12:45:54 <Taede> plenty ppl, if you look at youtube 12:46:01 <V453000> :D 12:46:05 <V453000> point proven 12:46:08 <V453000> thanks Taede 12:47:50 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:50 <Samu> ah it's all or none for towns, thx 12:47:57 <Samu> even better 12:49:18 <Samu> the too many settings approach would be something like: give the same crossing rules to companies and towns, then each of the 4 rail types could be customizable to allow/disallow 12:49:40 <Samu> but i know there's more than 4 12:49:44 <Samu> the others would be set up by newgrfs 12:50:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:23 <planetmaker> sure. Thus adding two places where you change that particular setting. Sounds useful, Samu 12:50:53 <planetmaker> but each place only allows to change the setting for half of your railtypes. Great. Really. 12:51:03 <Samu> you mean, how to present the setting in the advanced menu? 12:51:41 <Samu> i dont understand what you mean now 12:51:46 <Taede> wouldn't creating a rules webpage and referring to that using an ingame sign be easier? 12:52:10 <Taede> "Thou shalt not build level crossings over other ppl's infra" 12:54:46 <Samu> yes I can, it's more like a bait to trolling but... i can try that 12:55:02 <V453000> no Taede that is not an option because he want server without newGRFs, hence Players and similar people who in many cases cant even read 12:55:51 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 12:57:52 <Samu> has it been tried? 12:57:59 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 12:58:07 <V453000> what 12:58:11 <Samu> or is there a newgrf that do this? i could try, but I place my bets no one will join 12:58:56 <V453000> yes some newgrfs do that for high speed tracks 12:59:18 <Samu> i mean, for the original openttd 12:59:23 <Samu> the base set 12:59:24 <V453000> if nobody joins your server just because you have newgrfs there, then you either 1. have them from elsewhere than download content, or 2. your server is shit (settings/something) 12:59:47 <V453000> original openttd with newgrfs isnt original openttd anymore? 13:00:10 <Samu> it certainly does not help it 13:00:29 <Samu> but i want to try 13:03:15 <Samu> why do you think newgrfs are good? you keep defending them like they're the best thing ever. They are from a technical perspective, yes I agree 13:03:37 <V453000> did you just counteranswer yourself or 13:03:38 <Samu> but it sure complicates even searching for a game 13:03:53 <V453000> how does it complicate searching for a game? 13:03:53 <Samu> with a specific newgrf 13:04:07 <V453000> well, a bit 13:04:08 <planetmaker> what's complicated there? "Get needed newgrfs". "join" 13:04:27 <planetmaker> and each is one button click. That's it 13:04:31 <Samu> not that, but picking from a big list a game with a determined newgrf 13:04:37 <Samu> mixed up with all others 13:04:37 <planetmaker> unless you use newgrfs from murky sources 13:04:43 <V453000> many servers often use the same newgrfs all over again so it isnt that terrible 13:05:00 <Samu> it's the whole mix that confuses me 13:05:53 <Samu> i can install different newgrfs, but only wish to play in one 13:06:11 <Samu> there's not an easy way to differentiate them 13:06:17 <Samu> when they're being listed 13:06:32 <V453000> just wtf. 13:07:09 <Samu> omg what's so hard to understand? put yourself in place of a beginner 13:07:30 <V453000> beginner has hard time pressing download content button? 13:07:43 <Samu> clearly you don't get it 13:07:51 <V453000> beginners on our server clearly dont have such problems 13:07:59 <V453000> and those are often people who play the game for 1st time 13:08:51 <Samu> if I have different newgrfs installed, i dont need to re-download them 13:09:11 <V453000> so which problem remains? 13:09:35 <Taede> filter server list based on wether is uses certain newgrfs? 13:09:37 <Samu> when i want to join a server, when i already have several newgrfs installed, i need to click on each server to get to know which newgrfs they're using 13:09:44 <Samu> yes 13:09:44 <Taede> eg only play on servers which use first or nuts 13:10:44 <Samu> that is the mixed up part that makes newgrfs complicated for me 13:11:22 <V453000> I think your brain is complicating a lot of things for you 13:11:54 <Samu> i think you're too bias 13:17:02 <V453000> no I just think people who have no idea about playing the game are not very suitable for running servers 13:18:19 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 13:19:22 <Samu> that's bias 13:20:09 <V453000> it proves true every single time 13:22:02 <planetmaker> Samu, if you don't know the game, you don't care which settings or newgrfs a server has - you can't judge it anyway 13:22:15 <planetmaker> so for a beginner the different settings don't matter 13:22:22 <planetmaker> he picks randomly any 13:22:38 *** blazemaze [~blazemaze@85.173.117.84] has joined #openttd 13:22:54 <planetmaker> and he won't despair by the need to click once additionally 'download newgrfs' 13:23:36 <Samu> when i was a beginner, i was coming from TTD 13:23:54 <planetmaker> as *player* on MP servers I never have to care about NewGRF config anyway. Unless I really have some NewGRFs which are in your personal must-have or cannot-play-with category 13:23:54 <Samu> that's my point of view, maybe my bias is that 13:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> did i not say "help make newgrf usage more seamless" already? 13:24:43 <planetmaker> you did. And I did, too, pointing out what can be done 13:24:53 <planetmaker> but no... that doesn't matter 13:25:14 <planetmaker> the real problem seems to be "I don't want the need to configure newgrfs when I want to start a server" 13:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i think Samu has a hard time recognizing when a discussion is over. 13:25:39 <planetmaker> "while I also want features X, Y and Z which are implemented via NewGRFs" 13:26:04 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 13:27:33 <Samu> which newgrf have that setting? there's 300+ newgrfs to pick from :( 13:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the one you write 13:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause> call it "disable level crossings" and everybody knows what it does 13:28:26 <Samu> ok, ok 13:28:57 <planetmaker> swedishrails has it for rail and erail 13:30:18 <Samu> any server running that? 13:30:54 <planetmaker> metrotracks has that setting, too 13:31:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:03 <Samu> just had an idea, when searching for a server, the string could also search from the list of newgrfs a server is using 13:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause> great idea. now implement that 13:34:07 <planetmaker> transrapid tracks, too 13:34:20 <planetmaker> smts seems to lack the parameter 13:35:28 <V453000> PURR dares to lack that parameter too. 13:35:28 <V453000> (: 13:36:52 <Flygon> I need to stop reading smts as smuts 13:38:07 <planetmaker> I always wanted to make ce-tracks... 13:38:46 <V453000> watiz ce-tracks :D 13:39:09 <Eddi|zuHause> curvy rails 13:39:47 <V453000> dont want to know how would that look :) 13:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> somewhat like gold rush rails 13:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> just less elaborate 13:40:24 <V453000> havent seen those, is it on bananas? 13:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> no 13:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but there are concept screen shots on the forum somewhere 13:41:46 <V453000> I know dont worry, 150 years old and without release 13:41:47 <V453000> hopeless :) 13:42:00 <V453000> still, that concept isnt really doable, is it? 13:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it'd be a simple railtype property 13:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather variable 13:42:47 <planetmaker> yeah... ce-tracks as yet-another-trackset won't happen. Needs to support at least 4x. And maybe something fancy as curvy tracks :D 13:42:56 <planetmaker> like dike map for canals? 13:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. a varaction2-variable that gives you the trackbits of the 4 adjacent tiles 13:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and there was talk about some flag of returning the full tile graphics instead of individual trackbits 13:44:08 <planetmaker> was that discussion summarized somewhere? 13:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a forum topic 13:45:41 <Eddi|zuHause> # sometimes i get to launch timmy. (what?) 13:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> # for tim's perspective just press 'C' 13:46:20 <Samu> transrapid looks good 13:46:25 <Samu> for my purposes 13:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyP-NvlhITM&hd=1 13:47:43 <Samu> oops, im still allowed to build road on rail with transrapid 13:48:24 <peter1139> HI WHAT 13:49:41 <Samu> nevermind, only for maglev and monorail :( 13:52:36 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:57 <Samu> metro tracks doesn't work like i want 13:58:28 <Samu> screw this... I give up 14:06:26 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:47 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:48 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 14:38:43 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 14:47:37 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 15:02:32 * V453000 has the first of my more-complicated animations done =D 15:28:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B34B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B34B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:47:50 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I think heâs probably drunk 15:47:56 <andythenorth> thatâs my assumption anyway 15:50:15 <andythenorth> hmm 15:50:28 <andythenorth> I once proposed a rule that offensive whining causes a feature to be delted 15:50:33 <andythenorth> deleted * 15:52:30 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:52:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:55:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:50 <Alberth> evenink 15:55:57 <andythenorth> lo 15:57:08 <planetmaker> oddink 15:57:30 <planetmaker> @logs 15:57:30 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 15:58:07 <Alberth> that's a standard entry in my collection of bookmarks :) 15:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i always type that from memory 16:01:45 <planetmaker> actually... it's in my bookmarks, too. As it seems 16:02:45 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/6009 <-- any thought on this. Sounds like a go to me. With a clearer wording of the actual warning message 16:10:09 <Alberth> a bit of shuffle of the simpler conditions to the front may be useful, as a ( ... & ... ) != 0 test 16:10:22 <Alberth> s/as/and/ 16:14:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01c5d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:41 <LordAro> quak 16:15:53 <frosch123> hai 16:15:59 <Alberth> hai too 16:16:56 <planetmaker> Alberth, well, yes, maybe. It somewhat defines the importance of the warnings 16:17:15 <planetmaker> the current one can be argued for as optimal - though there's a lot of personal preference in it 16:17:25 <planetmaker> quark :) 16:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> jo-kurt 16:21:50 *** slaca [~slaca@178-164-217-120.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:26:36 *** blazemaze [~blazemaze@85.173.117.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:39:26 <planetmaker> the commuter airport is also a small one with short runway, yes? And Darwn 600 or airtaxi -1000 should be large planes... 16:39:31 <planetmaker> ah... there it comes, the message 16:43:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 16:48:03 *** SkeedR [~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:41 *** SkeedR is now known as Guest9731 16:56:07 <planetmaker> hm, we have a commted-out debug message in orders_cmd.cpp 16:56:12 <planetmaker> //DEBUG(misc, 3, "Triggered News Item for vehicle %d", v->index); 16:58:22 <Alberth> lol 17:01:38 <frosch123> delete it? 17:02:01 <Xaroth|Work> maybe peter1139 has a patch for it to fix it? 17:02:27 <frosch123> i remember tb removing a single empty line in one commit :) 17:04:17 <planetmaker> yeah... delete or re-instate it. That's the question 17:04:33 <frosch123> delete, noone missed it 17:04:53 <planetmaker> yeah... hg rev 5380. That's ages ago 17:04:59 <peter1139> Hmm? 17:05:18 <planetmaker> public [5380:8ea58542b6e0 default] 2006-12-26 17:36 +0000 Darkvater 17:05:18 <planetmaker> (svn r7565) -Codechange: Rework DEBUG functionality. Look for appropiate debugging levels to 17:05:18 <planetmaker> use in debug.h. grfmsg() is now used as a specific debug-function for grf. 17:05:37 <Xaroth|Work> now that's a name I haven't seen in a while 17:06:02 <frosch123> it's some alpha release of rb or something 17:06:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:06:19 <frosch123> but we got the real release 17:06:30 <planetmaker> :D 17:07:32 <planetmaker> I want to rework CheckOrders so that it uses the stringIDs directly. There's no point in counting problem numbers and adding to the first problem string 17:08:24 <frosch123> is the index used somewhere else? 17:08:32 <planetmaker> no 17:08:35 <frosch123> for priority or setting or surpression? 17:08:41 <planetmaker> and it's not even incremented anywhere or so 17:08:48 <frosch123> ok :p 17:09:39 <planetmaker> there's DeleteOrderWarnings - but that handles each explicitly 17:09:45 <planetmaker> without any index 17:10:17 <planetmaker> ok, I'll tidy this up. But first some sports 17:10:21 <planetmaker> see you later 17:12:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause> there was something about order checking that i wanted, but i forgot 17:14:23 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:24 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 17:17:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A773.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:09 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:26:00 *** slaca [~slaca@178-164-217-120.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Quit: Távozom] 17:29:21 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host222-204-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:34:00 <Wolf01> hi hi 17:35:00 <Wolf01> http://stefan-morrell.cgsociety.org/ warning: wonderful art 17:35:47 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:11 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 17:45:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26565 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2014-05-06 17:45:27 UTC) 17:45:38 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:39 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 4 changes by xiangyigao 17:45:40 <DorpsGek> english_AU - 56 changes by mrtux 17:45:41 <DorpsGek> korean - 12 changes by telk5093 17:45:42 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 57 changes by Stabilitronas 17:48:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:45 <andythenorth> lolwut? 17:48:59 <Wolf01> hi andy 17:49:11 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: so how does cdist work out routes when the routes are based on conditional orders? :P 17:49:24 * andythenorth has seen an odd-looking patch 17:50:09 <andythenorth> âwhere are you goingâ 17:50:22 <andythenorth> âwherever the cargo you load wants to go' 17:50:49 <andythenorth> âwhat cargo will you load?â 17:50:58 <andythenorth> âthe cargo that goes where yourâre going' 17:51:23 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:11 <Alberth> cdist does heuristic gambling on what conditional orders mean, afaik 17:59:31 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Disconnected] 17:59:44 <Alberth> Wolf01: nice art indeed 17:59:57 <tommylommykins> ooh, does time spent loading cargo count as time for the purposes of calculating cargo income? 18:02:34 <Alberth> iirc it does, but I never studied the GameMechanics page closely 18:10:17 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3990.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:06 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:21:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:07 <andythenorth> heuristic gambling is basically a dice roll? 18:28:39 <Eddi|zuHause> heuristic is "this is probably a good idea but i'm not sure", gambling is "i have no idea, let's try" 18:29:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A773.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> they are two entirely different things 18:31:15 <frosch123> so a heuristic involves loaded dice? 18:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> somewhat 18:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> although, most applicable heuristics i know are actually deterministic 18:37:33 <Alberth> afaik cdist tries to understand what you mean, which of course fails at some point 18:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but i wonder now, why would cargodist care? it's a graph, so it may as well just add edges for both branches of conditional orders 18:40:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:45:17 <Alberth> you'd get loads of bug reports :) 18:46:03 <Alberth> I have seen people complain that an order "stop at depot" means that you don't get any cargo load at the station before :p 18:46:33 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:46:34 *** V453000 [~V453000@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:46:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:47:04 *** Yexo [~Yexo@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:55:49 *** Jerik [~Jerik@c-68-80-55-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:38 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@66.238-27-211.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:47 <andythenorth> struck me as it might produce very odd results with waybill, where capacity is measured 19:03:51 <andythenorth> maybe not 19:04:26 <andythenorth> positive feedback loop 19:10:00 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:10:04 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:10:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 19:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it totally screams of feedback loops 19:10:47 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:10:56 <andythenorth> it also seems to slightly miss the point 19:11:17 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:18 <andythenorth> the premise (AIUI) of cdist is that it routes where the player provides transport 19:11:23 <andythenorth> even more so in the waybill mode 19:11:58 <andythenorth> delegating the vehicle routing conditionally back to the cargo when the cargo is trying to follow the vehicle seemsâŠat least not optimum 19:12:17 <andythenorth> but anyway, andythenorth is just thinking aloud 19:12:20 <andythenorth> ignore andythenorth 19:12:56 <peter1139> i do 19:24:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@0001612d.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:24:34 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@0001612d.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 19:27:17 * andythenorth feels ignored :( 19:27:36 *** SpComb [terom@00012b2e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:27:38 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 19:30:04 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: i notice everything! 19:30:43 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: if you feel like it, we can talk via pm 19:32:15 <andythenorth> DorpsGek: thanks, letâs do that 19:32:17 <andythenorth> how do I pm? 19:33:08 <Alberth> /mesg DorpsGek ? 19:38:11 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 19:41:30 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:49:20 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:48 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:51:45 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:58:53 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:08 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:59:14 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 20:02:46 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:52 <andythenorth> so is Squirrel an appropriate level of dififculty for me? 20:05:59 <andythenorth> bearing in mind I canât program 20:06:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01c5d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:16 * andythenorth is bored of waiting for new GS 20:06:17 *** SpeedAtNight [~jimmy@108-247-201-96.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep or something] 20:06:53 <Rubidium> it's a fairly simple scripting language with some OO-ish structs 20:09:21 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c2:8ff:fec1:936b] has joined #openttd 20:10:50 <andythenorth> can I do more damage with it than I do with python? 20:11:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008fd0.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:08 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:12:25 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@000128f9.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 20:12:26 <Rubidium> you can OOM OpenTTD 20:12:52 <Rubidium> you can't open/remove files with it, open network sockets 20:13:31 <glx> you can't access anything outside stuff allowed in API 20:14:17 <frosch123> maybe you can code a admin port <-> lego bridge 20:14:22 <frosch123> and then control lego vehicles 20:14:31 <glx> IIRC you can't freeze openttd (even with an infinite loop) 20:14:40 <Taede> well, is there something that connects lego <-> irc? 20:14:52 <glx> probably Taede 20:15:06 <frosch123> glx: oh, it has been possible multiple times 20:15:37 <glx> still possible frosch123 ? 20:15:46 <frosch123> not known :) 20:16:24 <frosch123> but stuff like built-in sort methods looping when the script provided comparator did <= instead of < 20:16:26 <frosch123> and such 20:16:46 <frosch123> ottd only suspends the scripts, not the interpreter :) 20:17:12 <glx> yeah built-in is ugly ;) 20:18:48 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:18:56 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:19:04 <andythenorth> the GS I have looked at look like real programming :o 20:19:13 <andythenorth> is that just style, or is that the only way? 20:19:54 <frosch123> you just take zuu's minimal script, and keep on adding stuff 20:20:36 <andythenorth> seems like there are proper loops and data structures and stuff 20:20:51 <andythenorth> syntax looks easy 20:21:26 <andythenorth> we didnât consider doing this in bytecode? o_O 20:23:15 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@torland1-this.is.a.tor.exit.server.torland.is] has joined #openttd 20:23:33 <frosch123> nah, the printable chars are only comments 20:23:38 <frosch123> the actual code is in the whitespace 20:24:40 <andythenorth> awesome 20:26:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A0C6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:33:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B34B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:38 <planetmaker> re hi :) 20:40:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 20:43:36 *** davidstrauss_ [~quassel@2001:4800:7813:516:62f:ce48:ff05:1b82] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:43:37 *** davidstrauss [~quassel@2001:4800:7813:516:62f:ce48:ff05:1b82] has joined #openttd 20:48:05 *** slaca [~slaca@178-164-217-120.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 20:48:10 *** Extrems1 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:24 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:51:01 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26566 /trunk/src (lang/english.txt order_cmd.cpp) (2014-05-06 20:50:58 UTC) 20:51:02 <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#6009]: Give a warning when a plane's orders tell it to use a runway which is too short for it (3298) 20:53:14 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26567 /trunk/src (lang/english.txt order_cmd.cpp) (2014-05-06 20:53:08 UTC) 20:53:15 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: Remove unused StringID offset in orders check 20:53:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A0C6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:54:39 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:31 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Herp derp] 20:58:30 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:01:03 <fonsinchen> andythenorth: Cargodist simulates all possible branches of the conditional orders and acts like the vehicle will go everywhere at once. 21:02:01 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26568 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2014-05-06 21:01:55 UTC) 21:02:02 <DorpsGek> -Change (r26566): Better wording of the new warning (Supercheese) 21:02:09 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:42 <fonsinchen> The problem with autorefit to waiting cargo is more that cargodist does not know which cargoes can possibly use a certain link 21:02:49 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 21:03:15 <fonsinchen> Thus it always sticks with the (then) current cargo when encountering such a link during simulation. 21:03:35 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: you saw the request for conditional orders based on current cargo destination? 21:03:40 <andythenorth> not from me I add :P 21:04:48 <frosch123> does already loaded cargo even have a destination? 21:05:20 <fonsinchen> No. Also, waiting cargo doesn't have a destination either, only a next hop 21:05:30 <fonsinchen> But what request are you talking about? 21:06:07 <frosch123> when andy is in good mood he goes to the suggestion forum 21:06:17 <frosch123> maybe he does not stand having a good mood 21:06:35 <andythenorth> what is âgood moodâ ? 21:06:37 <frosch123> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=70508 21:07:22 <andythenorth> hmm 21:07:29 <andythenorth> I think I remember a good mood last year sometime 21:07:34 <fonsinchen> That already works 21:07:37 <andythenorth> there was probably a new feature in newgrf spec or something 21:07:47 <fonsinchen> The documentation in the wiki was wrong until a few days ago 21:08:59 <fonsinchen> Ah, no, only the "if empty return" thing works 21:22:39 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:14 *** George [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 21:28:12 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 21:30:13 <planetmaker> german translators are also slackers 21:30:40 <frosch123> :p 21:31:14 <planetmaker> Terkhen, glx: new strings ;) 21:32:14 <glx> wow 28 untranslated and 42 needing validation 21:33:10 <planetmaker> I also just needed to translate half a dozen. I expected one :P 21:35:19 <glx> and I need to check the source for some of them (to see the usage) 21:35:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:48 <planetmaker> which? 21:36:07 <glx> STR_TIMETABLE_STAY_FOR_ESTIMATED 21:36:08 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:36:10 *** Noldo [vheino@000129a8.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:56 <planetmaker> ah, if you know the timetable window. It now gives estimates, even when not time tabled - based on info gathered anyway for cargodist 21:37:09 <glx> well for this one it's a duration I guess, but I think I had the "travlel for" one wrong ;) 21:37:10 <planetmaker> so the same usage as the actually fixed scheduled 21:47:15 <andythenorth> bedtime 21:47:16 <andythenorth> bye 21:47:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:47:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:05 <frosch123> night 21:49:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008fd0.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:49:23 *** Guest9731 [~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody have a problem with firefox not properly exiting? 21:54:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:02 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:19:02 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:00 *** lobstar [~lobster@glosoli.owenrudge.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:22:01 *** lobster [~lobster@glosoli.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:37 *** slaca [~slaca@178-164-217-120.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Quit: Távozom] 22:35:16 <Wolf01> 'night 22:35:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:39:44 *** bdavenport [~davenport@2001:470:8:303:9d5:81f1:a49b:e9b6] has joined #openttd 22:40:57 <glx> pff done 23:19:45 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:07 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:02 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:30 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@4VXAAAYYP.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone]