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06:08:14  <V453000> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6120/3-X_Vray_1.png (:
06:12:04  <supermop> i hope that will be animated
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06:15:43  <V453000> ofc :)
06:18:38  <V453000> animated and fully functional
06:19:26  <Supercheese> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6108/3-X_3.wmv ?
06:19:49  <V453000> old-er version but yeah :)
06:20:46  <V453000> will have a new one in 2 hours :)
06:21:13  <V453000> managed to get a new rendering thingy, reducing render time from 8 to 2 hours and making it a lot nicer =D
06:45:45  <planetmaker> moin
06:46:37  <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/nml-0.3.1-windows.win32.exe <-- V453000 can you check whether that gives you a working NML?
06:47:19  <V453000> not here :| am at work, will check at home in the evening
06:47:57  <planetmaker> thanks. That's early enough. Can't do anything before that anyway. For the same reasons
06:48:14  <V453000> (:
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07:43:31  <andythenorth> http://www.businessinsider.com/every-countrys-highest-valued-export-2014-5
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07:44:53  <V453000> yep, our most valuable export thing isnt beer
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07:45:01  <V453000> SAD
07:45:02  <V453000> BAD
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07:47:01  <andythenorth> there’s some kind of GS idea in that map
07:47:04  <andythenorth> somewhere
07:47:08  <V453000> :d
07:47:14  <V453000> how long have you been staring into it?
07:47:30  <V453000> you could start to see kind of anything after enough time staring at -thing-
07:47:49  <V453000> tis science, no drugz
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09:00:46  <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6121/3-X_VRAY.wmv =D
09:01:02  <V453000> has some bugs and isnt finished, but progress :)
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09:29:51  <planetmaker> pretty cool
09:30:06  <planetmaker> The wheel attachment still looks a bit funky, especially the shadows
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09:34:51  <V453000> which one? the pipes which connect the wheels to the "ground" ?
09:34:59  <V453000> or the belt kind of thing?
09:49:40  <V453000> aha this
09:50:04  <V453000> it is underground :)
09:59:11  <peter1139> V453000, the vehicle's bonnet just... appears.
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10:42:48  <V453000> peter1139: yes, still 2 robots missing there :)
10:43:41  <V453000> bumpers, lights, endine, and hood is to be done
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11:09:18  <V453000> might not have time for bumpers :)
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11:49:46  <planetmaker> ah, V453000, what I thought was a funky shadow is actually the steering wheel placer. Maybe that could do with a bit more specular reflection in some places? It looks very grayish and shadow-like
11:53:22  <V453000> aha
11:53:27  <V453000> yeah perhaps some colour to it would be nice too
11:53:30  <V453000> like not having it black
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12:11:24  <V453000> made it bluuu :)
12:11:45  <V453000> could make it a bit more fat
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12:23:13  <V453000> or red
12:23:14  <V453000> and yes
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12:31:38  <V453000> much better visible now :) http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6122/3-X_Vray_2_wheelthing.png
12:32:49  <planetmaker> yup :)
12:33:59  <planetmaker> http://www.skoda-auto.de/models/yeti?gclid=CPKUrcX_t74CFRQbtAod0hQA3w <-- I wonder whether their factories really look like that :P
12:34:30  <V453000> no, their factory is a boring white cube :)
12:34:54  <planetmaker> :D
12:35:07  <planetmaker> where they hide this awesomeness beneath?
12:35:30  <V453000> they dont :P
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12:35:46  <Xaroth|Work> V453000: what's that stuff under the cogs?
12:35:55  <V453000> cogs?
12:35:56  <V453000> ah
12:35:58  <V453000> just ground
12:36:01  <Xaroth|Work> ah
12:36:14  <V453000> lit by the furnace probably if you mean the orange dots
12:36:20  <Xaroth|Work> mhm
12:36:38  <Xaroth|Work> looks funneh
12:36:48  <planetmaker> looks like metal shards or so
12:36:57  <V453000> yeah :D
12:36:58  <Xaroth|Work> 2x2 size-wise or bigger?
12:37:04  <V453000> 4x4
12:37:10  <V453000> == 1024 width
12:37:15  <Xaroth|Work> nice
12:37:34  <V453000> 2x2 industries would be kind of lame :D
12:37:36  <planetmaker> is the image then 1:1 or does it need scaling?
12:37:43  <V453000> this one is 1:1
12:38:00  <planetmaker> great :)I
12:39:54  <peter1139> That'll be 250MB for a single industry :D
12:39:57  <V453000> openttd can make an animation run in 25 frames per second, right?
12:40:21  <peter1139> Yeah about that... good luck :p
12:40:50  <V453000> my current renders have 980 kb
12:40:59  <V453000> *128 should be k
12:41:14  <V453000> and not all industries will have this long animation I figure
12:41:21  <V453000> this one is quite complex
12:41:34  <V453000> prooobably no need for 256 either :)
12:41:38  <V453000> guess slower could be nicer
12:41:45  <V453000> but .. :)
12:42:01  <V453000> size certainly is a problem
12:42:24  <planetmaker> not a problem. A challenge ;)
12:43:05  <planetmaker> peter1139, how did you get 250MB? Frames * size?
12:43:12  <V453000> not really :D it is simply not great to download 1GB through openttd
12:43:18  <V453000> well yeah, frames*size
12:43:21  <V453000> I assume
12:43:27  <V453000> which would fit for 1MB * 256
12:43:38  <V453000> having 16 industries like that would be insane
12:43:45  <V453000> 8gb newgrf? yay
12:43:50  <planetmaker> :D
12:44:03  <V453000> ok I cant count 4 gb
12:44:04  <V453000> still though
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12:44:13  <planetmaker> how many frames is the animation?
12:44:20  <V453000> this one is 128 and it is quite long already I think
12:44:26  <planetmaker> yup
12:44:33  <planetmaker> wow... 128 * 2MB
12:44:38  <V453000> *1MB
12:44:43  <planetmaker> 2MB :)
12:44:49  <V453000> wat :D
12:44:51  <planetmaker> 1024 width * 512 height
12:45:00  <V453000> I use 1024x1024
12:45:07  <V453000> height of buildings above the tile :)
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12:45:25  <planetmaker> then it's 4MB :). One byte per colour channel
12:45:38  <V453000> possible maximum, but the rendered images have 1MB
12:45:42  <planetmaker> 128 * 4 = 512MB for that :D
12:46:02  <planetmaker> as jpeg or png, yes
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12:46:12  <V453000> so theoretically if I have 128*16*1MB, I get like 1.5 GB
12:46:20  <peter1139> planetmaker, 250MB was a random joke-guess :p
12:46:27  <V453000> well it wasnt that random :D
12:46:55  <planetmaker> that's a lot :D
12:47:09  <V453000> ofc it is
12:47:46  <V453000> better upgrade bananaz :P
12:49:22  <planetmaker> it can handle that. theoretically
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12:51:02  <V453000> well, 0.0.1 should have like 200MB max I think
12:51:13  <V453000> will be mostly static
12:51:26  <V453000> just active/inactive industry sprites
12:51:28  <planetmaker> except vehicle factory? :D
12:51:33  <V453000> except vehicle factory :)
12:52:50  <V453000> idk, I think like 50 frames are maximum for most of the primaries
12:53:07  <V453000> possibly even less
12:53:20  <planetmaker> for just a turning wheel, way less suffice
12:53:39  <planetmaker> in TTD they do that with just 3 :)
12:53:49  <planetmaker> like for coal / copper mine
12:54:13  <planetmaker> and also only that one (or two) tiles are animated, not all
12:54:28  <planetmaker> which of course is not possible for your vehicle factory. but maybe elsewhere
12:54:46  <V453000> I will have animated YETIs doing the slave labour
12:55:01  <V453000> which should be short tasks like chopping wood, mining with pickaxe, ...
12:55:49  <planetmaker> yeah. the question is whether that covers all tiles of the respective industries or just a few :)
12:56:02  <planetmaker> and 5 frames for sawing a log of wood is more than plenty
12:56:07  <planetmaker> *50
12:56:20  <planetmaker> 5 might suffice... but maybe not in 4x zoom
12:57:07  <V453000> will see
12:58:04  <V453000> I probably wont limit myself by t he size anyway :P
12:58:26  <planetmaker> I'll be surprised if you do :P
12:58:34  <V453000> . :)
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12:59:17  <V453000> providing alternative link than bananas could work for people with BAD connection, too
12:59:59  <planetmaker> enable devzone build service ;)
13:00:18  <V453000> meh
13:00:28  <planetmaker> if you have the code there, that basically comes for free without extra effort
13:00:42  <V453000> true that uploading the x GB versions would take me a whole :D
13:00:48  <V453000> while
13:01:01  <planetmaker> why would you care?
13:01:15  <planetmaker> it's not like you need to push each bit individually ;)
13:01:44  <V453000> I meant like uploading the 1 GB .grf somewhere to Files for people to download easily
13:02:01  <V453000> in case the ingame download was being problematic to people
13:02:10  <V453000> but yeah build service does that better
13:02:12  <planetmaker> I know you meant that
13:02:23  <planetmaker> was just suggesting easy way :)
13:02:26  <V453000> y
13:02:32  <V453000> realized no
13:02:33  <V453000> now
13:03:38  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx-mars-rv/repository <-- this basically just does it similar to you:
13:03:54  <planetmaker> all code in a single file, no frills, nothing special.
13:04:10  <planetmaker> But the file is called .pnml instead of .nml and the Makefile system works out-of-box
13:04:20  <planetmaker> and doesn't matter for you to compile locally either.
13:04:30  <V453000> yus
13:04:54  <planetmaker> (could also work that way for nuts :P )
13:07:12  <V453000> not needed there :)
13:07:44  <planetmaker> would be nice tho ;)
13:08:18  <V453000> idk, for what use there?
13:08:34  <V453000> I usually dont push until I have a new version done anyway
13:08:57  <V453000> and when I do, I just take my compiled thingy, zip it, upload it, nothing long
13:09:08  <planetmaker> it's an additional test for your code to work. And you also have the possibility of the DevZone doing the work for you to build it ;)
13:12:00  <V453000> well yeah but I only need to compile and upload to bananas, both of which I do already
13:12:50  <planetmaker> it's somewhat a test that the committed code actually builds that grf. Without some local modifications changing things
13:13:41  <planetmaker> tbh, I always have DevZone build the grfs which I upload to bananas. I simply upload the zip or tar it provides
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13:13:48  <planetmaker> makes sure for me that it's the same thing
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13:14:13  <planetmaker> and that what I claim is 1.1.1 really is 1.1.1 and not 1.1.1-modified :)
13:14:58  <V453000> well as I usually have 1:1 amount of versions and pushes, and make a version at the same moment as when I finish&compile some feature, I am quite confident I got that working :)
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14:35:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea why i like this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHU1_uhb1ww
14:36:16  <Eddi|zuHause> it's quite far outside my usual genres
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16:07:49  <LordAro> help. http://use.perl.org/use.perl.org/_Aristotle/journal/33448.html
16:10:58  <Alberth> lol
16:12:04  <planetmaker> :)
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17:45:17  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26601 trunk/src/lang/vietnamese.txt (2014-05-19 17:45:09 UTC)
17:45:18  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:19  <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 62 changes by maddot
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17:58:06  <DanMacK> Hey all
17:58:11  <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth
17:58:11  <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 10 hours, 11 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <andythenorth> somewhere
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18:13:49  <Wolf01> hello
18:15:27  <Alberth> hi hi
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18:57:12  <DanMacK>  Hey andy
18:57:58  <andythenorth> lo DanMacK
18:59:52  <V453000> HY
19:01:11  <Phreeze> hiho
19:01:40  <Taede> ello
19:05:57  <andythenorth> hmm
19:05:58  <andythenorth> consists
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20:37:10  <frosch123> night
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22:06:49  <Wolf01> 'night
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