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Get it here: http://adiirc.com] 05:06:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:49 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:05 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:17 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:44:28 *** DiabloD3 [~diablo@d-ptld-bng1-70-20-36-224.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:39 *** DiabloD3 is now known as Diablo-D3 05:46:22 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-70-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:51:06 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:13:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26650 trunk/src/saveload/saveload.cpp (2014-06-17 06:13:38 UTC) 06:13:44 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6041]: Support save/load chunk lengths of up to (1 << 32) - 1 06:40:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.105.159.210] has joined #openttd 06:43:31 <andythenorth> Iâve forgotten everything I know about nfo 06:43:37 <andythenorth> what kind of action is this? 06:43:38 <andythenorth> 51 * 11 00 00 \b1 01 FF \wx0546 1A FF \wx0549 06:45:16 <planetmaker> a0 trains 06:46:42 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:52:05 <andythenorth> it looks like buy menu sort order 06:52:10 <andythenorth> nforenum hates it 06:52:46 <planetmaker> I'd recon it's properties 01 and 1A as extended bytes 06:53:11 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you're saying "change 1 property" and then set two? 06:54:42 <planetmaker> indeed 06:55:01 <andythenorth> dunno 06:55:05 <andythenorth> itâs nmlc output 06:55:30 <planetmaker> though I thought it would meant to change one ID 06:55:39 <planetmaker> too long ago that I wrote or read nfo 06:56:42 <andythenorth> itâs definitely generated by sort() 06:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, so it's not prop 01 06:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's 01 props of ID FF \wxblah 06:57:23 <planetmaker> why then \b1 01 ? 06:57:38 <andythenorth> maybe I have a really old nforenum 06:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> one ID, and one prop 06:57:40 <andythenorth> /!!Error (141): ID 12 07 out of valid range (00..73). 06:57:49 <andythenorth> since when is 73 the max ID for a train? 06:57:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: too old nforenum, i suppose 06:57:55 <planetmaker> you got an ancient nforenum? 06:58:03 <andythenorth> going to check 06:58:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: or ancient data files in some config directory 06:58:16 <andythenorth> NFORenum trunk r958 06:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had that problem a long time ago 06:58:48 <andythenorth> objs? 06:59:12 <andythenorth> hmm 06:59:15 <andythenorth> this is like archeology 06:59:51 <planetmaker> NFORenum 6.0.4 r980 - Copyright (C) 2004-2013 by Dale McCoy 07:01:02 * andythenorth updates to tip 07:02:33 <planetmaker> public [970:efcb99e7b53c default] 2013-11-08 23:53 +0100 07:02:33 <planetmaker> Fix #5279: allow higher vehicle IDs when a GRF version 8 NFO is given 07:03:19 <andythenorth> so itâs my nforenum 07:03:20 <andythenorth> thanks 07:04:20 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:46 <andythenorth> hmm 07:13:49 <andythenorth> got a grf 07:13:57 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:14:02 <andythenorth> the realsprites are all garbled 07:14:24 <andythenorth> and the railtypes are borked 07:14:38 <andythenorth> and as expected, many strings are failing 07:15:12 <planetmaker> yes, the pesky details nml guards you against ;) 07:15:47 <andythenorth> I wonder what goes wrong in the nml->nfo step 07:16:16 <andythenorth> I need to compare the linked and non-linked nfo 07:16:22 <andythenorth> but anyway, later 07:16:23 <andythenorth> thanks for the help 07:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with the sprites? 07:21:32 <andythenorth> white pixels 07:21:39 <andythenorth> crops are wrong I think 07:21:58 <andythenorth> again, that nfo is pure nmlc output 07:22:09 <andythenorth> so something is transposed 07:23:35 <andythenorth> hmm 07:23:47 <andythenorth> arenât width and height reversed in nfo? 07:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> not in grfv8 07:24:11 <andythenorth> ah 07:24:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather nfo32 07:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause> although i've never seen someone use nfo32 and then produce a v7 grf 07:28:29 <andythenorth> hmm 07:28:29 <peter1139> laa laa laa 07:28:37 <andythenorth> some crops are coming out with 1 1 07:28:40 <andythenorth> interesting 07:28:43 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:20 <andythenorth> irrelevant 07:30:21 *** Mek [~quassel@marijnalexwedding.com] has joined #openttd 07:35:53 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 07:36:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:55 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:40:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.105.159.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:27 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:52:18 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 07:54:54 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.105.159.210] has joined #openttd 07:56:44 <andythenorth> why is nmlc outputting train prop 1D 3 times? 07:58:08 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:39 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/q3fQSdl.jpg 08:01:07 <NGC982> __ln__: :-O 08:02:05 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:09:06 <andythenorth> give this realsprite 08:10:34 <andythenorth> 8680 generated/graphics/tank_car_ng_brit_gen_1_0.png 8bpp 60 10 8 25 -3 -21 normal 08:10:45 <andythenorth> and this png https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/graphics/tank_car_ng_brit_gen_1_0.png 08:10:52 <andythenorth> I get 200px of white reported 08:11:17 <andythenorth> but the 200px (8 * 25) at x = 60, y = 10 are not white 08:11:19 <andythenorth> so what gives 08:11:26 <andythenorth> ? 08:11:53 <andythenorth> itâs an 8bpp paletted png 08:12:45 <andythenorth> top of nfo file contains â// (Info version 32)â 08:14:01 *** Mantup [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:01 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:13 *** DiabloD3 [~diablo@d-ptld-bng1-71-161-111-231.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:40 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@d-ptld-bng1-70-20-36-224.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:36 <andythenorth> well maybe Iâll spot the issue later :P 08:24:43 * andythenorth -> holiday 08:24:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:30:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:53 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@72-160-3-197.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:32 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.105.159.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:20 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:02:21 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:16:13 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:17:29 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:20:23 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:21 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has joined #openttd 09:39:23 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:10 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@150.157.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:43:32 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 09:45:30 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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As the path to the real sprites is wrong? 15:01:18 <andythenorth> yes 15:01:25 <andythenorth> that appears to be the case 15:01:31 <andythenorth> simply not using the right realsprite 15:01:34 <andythenorth> dunno why though 15:03:16 * andythenorth reading nfo 15:03:17 <andythenorth> nfo is fun 15:03:41 <andythenorth> whereâs the action 3 :P 15:04:01 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:04:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:05:15 <andythenorth> planetmaker: got 5 mins to verify something for me? 15:05:20 <andythenorth> np if busy 15:06:05 <planetmaker> I guess I do 15:07:27 <andythenorth> with Iron Horse, make nfo from iron-horse.nml with nmlc, and encode with grfcodec.... 15:07:58 <andythenorth> my nml and iron-horse repos are both in a state of âwork in progressâ :P 15:09:01 <Alberth> o/ 15:09:09 * Alberth got here in time today? 15:09:44 <andythenorth> yup 15:09:54 * andythenorth has broken something 15:10:12 <planetmaker> o/ Albert :) 15:10:47 * andythenorth wonders why grfcodec wants null_trailing_part.png so many times 15:13:52 <andythenorth> I thought it was valid to do: realsprites, action 2, more realsprites, action 2, varaction 2, action 3 15:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: some versions of grfcodec had issues with interlaced pngs 15:16:27 <andythenorth> thanks 15:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but that affected only 32bpp for me 15:16:37 <andythenorth> I think this might be EAndythenorth somewhere 15:16:40 <andythenorth> waiting to see what pm finds 15:16:53 <planetmaker> so, andythenorth, I don't get any white pixel warnings with grfcodec 15:17:05 <andythenorth> hrm 15:17:17 <andythenorth> ok so the problem is newly introduced thanks 15:18:02 <andythenorth> planetmaker: which grfcodec? 15:18:04 <planetmaker> after I installed python3-ply, python3-pillow and found the lang dir and how to teach nmlc about it :P 15:18:07 <planetmaker> yes 15:18:24 <planetmaker> it should warn me about them, should it? 15:19:49 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3440/ 15:20:40 <andythenorth> itâs warning me 15:20:55 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:20:59 <andythenorth> the pattern of sprites loaded is different for me 15:21:04 <andythenorth> far more null_trailing_part.png 15:21:31 <andythenorth> Iâve broken something :P 15:22:10 <planetmaker> I ran make on a clean iron-horse. nml2nfo'ed the nml. And then grfcodec'ed the resulting nfo. 15:23:44 <andythenorth> itâs good that it works 15:23:54 <andythenorth> fixing my code is easier than fixing grfcodec or nmlc :P 15:24:41 <planetmaker> you did not try with a clean checkout? 15:25:11 <planetmaker> local clones are dirt cheap to get by... 15:25:41 <planetmaker> as you've got an OS with a sensible file system it only costs a few links 15:25:45 <andythenorth> I might try that later, right now I have my own nmlc too, with uncommitted changes 15:25:51 <andythenorth> I could fix it I guess 15:26:06 <planetmaker> well, clone that, too ;) 15:26:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-70-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:36 <andythenorth> are there any ill effects expected from repeating the grfcodec header comments block? 15:29:43 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3441/ 15:31:00 <andythenorth> planetmaker: may I have the nfo you generated? o_O 15:31:43 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/iron-horse.nfo 15:31:47 <andythenorth> ta 15:31:51 <planetmaker> np 15:32:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Thus I dearly avoid it 15:41:12 <planetmaker> reminds me... I wanted to do a station set 15:43:14 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:43:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 15:43:48 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [] 15:44:02 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 15:44:18 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 15:44:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:25 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 15:46:34 <andythenorth> planetmaker: it says nothing about loading null_trailing_part.png? 15:49:55 <andythenorth> ah 15:49:55 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6884 15:50:06 <andythenorth> oic 15:50:56 <andythenorth> that is the probelm 15:51:00 <andythenorth> problem * 15:53:25 <andythenorth> compiling 6.0.3 doesnât resolve it 15:53:38 <andythenorth> lots of compiler warnings too 15:54:49 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3444/ 15:57:11 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can I have your grfcodec 6.0.3 binary? 15:58:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B72F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:45 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:00:22 <planetmaker> andythenorth: how will that help you? It's build non-static for my OS (debian wheezy x64) 16:00:27 <andythenorth> ah 16:00:39 <andythenorth> sorry, assumed you had an OS X compiled version :P 16:00:45 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:01:03 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:01:04 <planetmaker> even then, it would be non-static for 10.6 16:01:11 <planetmaker> that wouldn't work on your machine either 16:01:11 <andythenorth> hmm 16:01:24 <andythenorth> so grfcodec is game-overed currently for me 16:02:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:39 <planetmaker> you got libpng and zlib available? 16:02:46 <planetmaker> thus yours is built with those? 16:03:39 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:41 <andythenorth> libpng-1.5.14 16:04:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.190.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:06 <andythenorth> just installed zlib 16:06:13 <andythenorth> fewer compile warnings now (just one) 16:06:23 <andythenorth> but still the spritesheet lines error 16:09:41 <andythenorth> but 16:09:46 <andythenorth> I donât have this issue with road-hog 16:09:57 <andythenorth> grfcodec works fine there, produces a valid grf 16:15:58 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:59 <andythenorth> bit weird, eh? 16:21:14 <Alberth> all sprites are the same? 16:23:10 <andythenorth> between the two grfs? Or in Iron Horse? 16:24:54 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 16:25:33 <Alberth> I thought the error happened when you process 2 sprites at the same time? (didn't carefully read it though, could be wrong) 16:25:50 <Alberth> if all sprites have the same layout, you won't notice it 16:28:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B72F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:29:00 <andythenorth> this is plausible 16:29:26 <andythenorth> there are multiple spritesheets for each action 3 in Iron Horse 16:29:36 <andythenorth> whereas only one per action 3 in Road Hog 16:29:44 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:26 <andythenorth> itâs as though it picks up the wrong set of bounding box sizes etc 16:34:14 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:36:03 <andythenorth> if I find-and-replace to just one spritesheet, it compiles 16:37:04 <Alberth> you doubted the existence of the bug? 16:37:37 <planetmaker> seems to work on linux, though, Alberth :) 16:37:56 <andythenorth> I wanted to isolate the cause :P 16:38:10 *** DiabloD3 [~diablo@d-ptld-bng1-71-161-111-231.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:38:21 <andythenorth> so do I finally have to give in, and do newgrf dev in virtualbox? 16:38:22 <andythenorth> :P 16:38:26 <Alberth> planetmaker: interesting :) 16:38:52 <planetmaker> but dunno the amount of local modifications andy has in each of the tools .P 16:39:15 <andythenorth> grfcodec, zero :P 16:39:51 <andythenorth> I think we can assume grfcodec is game-over on OS X Mavericks 16:40:06 <planetmaker> I wouldn't understand why 16:40:20 <Alberth> yeah, seems weird 16:40:33 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 16:40:59 <Alberth> downgrading to 0.6.3 not an option ? 16:41:14 <andythenorth> 6.0.3 shows same issue for me 16:41:24 <Alberth> :o 16:41:26 <andythenorth> I have to compile it myself, and I suspect the issue is the compile 16:41:46 <andythenorth> I assume itâs building with clang or whatever 16:41:46 <andythenorth> not gcc 16:41:59 <andythenorth> I could build gcc, and try forcing it to compile with gcc 16:42:00 <andythenorth> dunno how 16:42:27 <andythenorth> the nfo planetmaker generated also fails 16:42:40 <andythenorth> the only other thing it could be is the pngs, and I see nothing wrong there 16:42:40 <Alberth> hmm, good point, no idea how stable clang is 16:43:03 <Alberth> or pnglib, but that's very unlikely as well 16:43:04 <andythenorth> none of you can compile with Mavericks, and none of us with Mavericks can fix it :) 16:43:12 <andythenorth> so itâs stuck 16:43:59 <Alberth> :( 16:44:23 * andythenorth ponders pcx 16:44:25 <Alberth> if it's really the compiler I wouldn't know how to debug that 16:44:39 <Alberth> let alone fixing it :) 16:45:01 <planetmaker> andythenorth, nml has a regression folder. Do those nfo work for you with grfcodec? 16:45:07 <planetmaker> with nml as well? 16:45:44 <andythenorth> hmm issue occurs with pcx too 16:45:52 <Alberth> kk 16:46:02 <Alberth> that rules out the png lib stuff 16:46:17 <andythenorth> currently my nml tests are broken 16:46:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth, can you make a minimal test case? 16:46:21 <andythenorth> but Iâve discounted my nml 16:46:27 <andythenorth> I have planetmakerâs nfo 16:46:38 <planetmaker> why are nml tests borked? 16:46:54 <andythenorth> because I have a patch 16:47:02 <andythenorth> I could fix that, but I think itâs non-relevant 16:47:12 <andythenorth> your nfo fails too 16:47:13 <planetmaker> for grfcodec, sure is 16:47:42 <andythenorth> reminds me to make my patch pass tests though :P 16:50:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I added sprites.zip here https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6884 16:53:23 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008ab9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:45 <Alberth> hai 16:53:45 <planetmaker> quaak 16:54:14 <andythenorth> ribbit 16:56:05 <andythenorth> itâs exactly as snail says - as though grfcodec is garbling which spritesheet to use 16:58:56 * andythenorth considers restructuring the grf to a single spritesheet 16:59:03 <Alberth> since not all compilers do that, it's likely to be either a bug in the OSX compiler, or the source relies on undefined behavior 16:59:29 <Alberth> where gcc then does a happy thing, and apple does the non-happy thing 16:59:55 <Alberth> throw a little pillow into the equation? 16:59:59 <andythenorth> :P 17:01:08 <andythenorth> I am seriously considering using PIL to concatenate all the spritesheets to one 17:01:23 <andythenorth> itâs probably not The Right Solution 17:02:32 <planetmaker> andythenorth, did you try to build grfcodec with gcc? 17:02:46 <planetmaker> on my machine I have like gcc_select which allows me to choose the version of gcc to use 17:02:50 <andythenorth> Iâd need to get gcc I think 17:03:07 <planetmaker> obviously it will need to be different with clang. But getting gcc should not be hard, no? 17:03:25 <planetmaker> might not be default (anymore), but not at all? Honestly dunno, just asking 17:03:39 <andythenorth> searching now 17:03:51 <planetmaker> appstore might know :) 17:03:53 <Alberth> if it's a nice ./configure tool, CC=gcc ./configure may be enough 17:04:47 <Alberth> although I may be underestimating the niceness of apple configurations :) 17:05:20 <andythenorth> searching implies that reinstalling gcc might be a bad idea 17:07:58 <planetmaker> Alberth, that seemed to have worked for me. A few years ago 17:08:19 <Alberth> kk 17:08:38 <andythenorth> I think Iâm going to not install gcc 17:08:47 <andythenorth> I donât have recent backups, and Bad Things Might Happen 17:09:10 <planetmaker> what can happen? 17:09:18 <planetmaker> it's not like an obscure app 17:09:26 <planetmaker> which phones home and sells your children 17:09:58 <andythenorth> might break existing clang setup 17:10:18 <andythenorth> if I had backups Iâd just do it 17:10:28 <andythenorth> but Iâm away from home, using a phone to get net access 17:10:43 <Alberth> fair enough 17:18:57 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 17:20:22 * andythenorth is out of things to google 17:20:28 <andythenorth> therefore accepting defeat 17:23:11 <andythenorth> @seen snail 17:23:11 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: snail was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Snail> tbh I have too much fun to draw manually 17:23:29 <andythenorth> @seen snail_ 17:23:29 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: snail_ was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 2 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Snail_> yep, so the question is, would it be possible to implement labels for vehicles that could also be set through a callback 17:24:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:24:55 <Rubidium> so the 6884 grfcodec issue is purely OS X? 17:25:03 <andythenorth> afaict 17:25:10 <andythenorth> probably only Mavericks 17:25:18 <andythenorth> maybe 10.8 17:25:26 <andythenorth> my bet is on clang / LLVM 17:25:31 <andythenorth> Iâll put â¬20 on it 17:25:46 <andythenorth> and â¬10 on a dependency, as a hedge bet :P 17:26:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:33:17 <frosch123> andythenorth: what does the finished grf look like? 17:33:29 <frosch123> is it correct, can you attach it too? 17:34:21 <frosch123> my bet is on different int promotion stuff 17:35:25 <frosch123> the grfcodec hacking style is prone to fail for such things 17:35:59 <Rubidium> clang 3.3 seems to do the right (tm) thing 17:36:16 <Rubidium> now going to replace 3.3 with 3.5 17:42:29 <Rubidium> unless my clang doesn't actually use llvm 17:43:21 <andythenorth> frosch123: there is no finished grf 17:43:25 <andythenorth> it bails during encode 17:43:38 <andythenorth> it = grfcodec 17:43:59 <Rubidium> hmm... llvm-clang exists as well, but fails horridly upon linking 17:46:08 <planetmaker> hm... does clang compile openttd? 17:46:27 <planetmaker> or doesn't it link it? Likely I'm missing something... 17:47:05 <Rubidium> clang 3.3 on Debian compiles it 17:47:41 <planetmaker> CC=clang CXX=clang ./configure ? 17:48:30 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3445/ 17:50:03 <Rubidium> that's roughly the error I get for grfcodec when using llvm-clang 17:50:21 <Rubidium> though clang, which supposedly uses llvm (or not?!?) works just fine 17:51:38 <Rubidium> it's a typical "didn't link to stdlibc++" 17:55:57 <Rubidium> clang 3.5 compiles OpenTTD on Debian as well 17:57:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:24 <Wolf01> hi hi 17:57:47 <planetmaker> default on wheezy seems 3.0 17:58:03 <Rubidium> oh, use clang++ instead of clang 17:58:09 <Rubidium> (for just both) 17:58:53 <planetmaker> doh. That's looking better :) 17:58:54 <planetmaker> ty 18:02:44 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:06 <andythenorth> OpenTTD does compile for me btw, using whatever clang Mavericks has 18:10:46 <planetmaker> with clang++ it does for me, too (clang 3.4) 18:20:25 *** Tramvai [~oftc-webi@120.44.235.80.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:21:10 <Tramvai> Hey guys. I need some help with my trains: the damn trains will go through my unloading station without unloading and to go their home 'depot' 18:21:15 <Tramvai> Why doesn't ANY depot work? 18:21:23 <andythenorth> what is a home depot? 18:21:35 <Tramvai> I don't know why they prefer one depot over the other 18:21:43 <Tramvai> I think it counts as the depot I bought the train in? 18:22:08 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:52 <planetmaker> trains don't have that concept 18:22:57 <planetmaker> the whole game doesn't 18:23:01 <Tramvai> I have depots like this: http://i.imgur.com/26WaJPP.png Yet they still go through the unloading station just to enter some random depot... 18:23:10 <Tramvai> I did try making depots easy to access BEFORE the station. 18:23:11 <andythenorth> depot routing issues are usually due to signalling 18:23:15 <planetmaker> for servicing? 18:23:27 <Tramvai> Yeah 18:23:30 <andythenorth> I turn off breakdowns + servicing, because depot routing is quite broken 18:23:33 <planetmaker> then give them explicit depot orders in their schedule. Then they'll just go there when you allow them 18:23:43 <planetmaker> otherwise they visit the nearest depot straight when they need 18:24:23 <Tramvai> The train feels like it needs service during its trip to the main station and then it suddenly decides to go to a depot that is AFTER the station and just ends up doing a very long run with a full load... 18:24:25 <Tramvai> It just blows my mind 18:26:48 <planetmaker> when it wants to visit a depot it goes there without stop 18:26:55 <planetmaker> thus, tell it when to visit one 18:26:58 <planetmaker> in its orders 18:27:09 <planetmaker> and make sure there's one where it then can go without long detour 18:27:53 <Tramvai> Alright 18:28:19 <Tramvai> So, it would help if I just put some depots on the railroad in the middle of nowhere? 18:28:37 <Tramvai> So it can take its piss break there? 18:28:46 <andythenorth> turn off breakdowns :) 18:28:49 <andythenorth> problem solved 18:29:06 <planetmaker> Tramvai, please read again :) 18:29:13 <planetmaker> put the depot visit in the trains' orders 18:29:23 <Tramvai> I don't really feel like defining depots for all the trains I have. :S 18:29:26 <planetmaker> and make sure that then is a depot at the place they're told to visit it 18:30:20 <planetmaker> then make sure that depots are *before* the split of any lines 18:30:59 <andythenorth> hmm 18:31:12 <andythenorth> so until I can install GCC, my faster-newgrf-compile project is halted :P 18:31:24 <andythenorth> Alberth: how is your lexer coming along? o-O 18:31:48 <Alberth> it fails at regression test 012 currently 18:31:59 <andythenorth> tests are useful :) 18:32:02 <V453000> Tramvai: method without orders http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/11/18/train-servicing-settings/ 18:32:30 <V453000> assuming 90degree turns to be off to make the image work 18:33:15 <Alberth> 5 days? :O 18:33:26 <V453000> doesnt matter, shorter = better 18:33:31 <V453000> in case you need to autoreplace twice in a row :P 18:34:03 <V453000> if it is the default (150yrs), then you need to wait half a year before you can autoreplace again 18:34:14 <V453000> or just in case trains went through some depot like overflow in the half year 18:34:47 <Alberth> I just the default setting :) 18:34:54 <V453000> it is just a breaking condition which is nice to have so small that it doesnt prevent trains from autoreplacing ever, because you are in control of the depot places 18:35:17 <Alberth> +use 18:35:28 <V453000> understood that :P 18:35:40 <V453000> but you use breakdowns, which alone is punishable by death :P 18:35:47 <andythenorth> you should turn 90â turns back on as well 18:35:49 <andythenorth> disabling them is stupid 18:35:51 <Alberth> Tramvai: I make all my junctions such that trains can go in any direction from any direction 18:36:18 <V453000> junctions: yes, terminus stations are fine though :P 18:36:35 <V453000> but you commented on YETI thread Alberth so you can live for now =D 18:36:54 <Alberth> phew! :) 18:37:20 <andythenorth> but V453000 must die for 90º turns being off 18:37:38 <V453000> I dont give a shit I can play with them on, but most people hayt it :P 18:37:49 <Alberth> he must, I also have them turned off, it looks toooooo stupid to allow 18:37:58 <andythenorth> yes but it breaks your ships 18:38:02 <V453000> I would just make my terminus not have that X for 90 18:38:03 <andythenorth> they will get lost on rivers 18:38:13 <V453000> it doesnt break MY ships :D nor MY rivers 18:38:16 <Alberth> nah, just make enough room for them to turn 18:38:18 <V453000> 0 ships, rivers disabled 18:38:20 <andythenorth> you are special 18:39:39 <V453000> ps I got my BDMT factory sketched up (: just need to model it now :0 18:40:28 <andythenorth> BDMT - is that a sub-dom thing? 18:40:38 <andythenorth> I think you should keep your perversions out of the game 18:42:34 <V453000> omfg 18:42:40 <V453000> building materials, same label as firs 18:42:44 <planetmaker> Alberth, I agree, too stupid. Yet 'on' is default still :( 18:43:06 <V453000> planetmaker: original acceleration is default, PBS is default, and many more are equally intelligent 18:43:20 <V453000> I thought the original acceleration is unquestionable 18:43:28 <planetmaker> pbs as default is quite reasonable. acceleration is not :) 18:43:56 <V453000> TWO way PBS is the most confusing signal in the whole game 18:44:07 <Alberth> +1 18:44:10 <V453000> looks 1-way, behaves 2-way, has no use, only in specific cases 18:44:15 <V453000> -> makes sense to have it default? 18:44:27 <Alberth> obviously it does? :) 18:44:47 <V453000> I can accept that dumb people want to have 1-way PBS as default, obviously simple block would still be better, but 2-way PBS is just nonsense 18:45:03 <fonsinchen> I always use 2-way PBS it for terminus stations. 18:45:22 <V453000> 2-way PBS is only useful for 2-way stations, terminus can do without it 18:45:23 <fonsinchen> A lot of people build their first signals when building stations. 18:45:32 <Alberth> fonsinchen: yes, that's a specific case 18:45:49 <V453000> I am ignoring the penalty usage openttdcoop uses 2way PBS for 18:45:51 <planetmaker> maybe it's a confusing naming rather than a confusing signal? 18:46:05 <V453000> names dont help when people look at it 18:46:14 <V453000> still it is a signal without normal use 18:46:17 <planetmaker> that's true 18:46:25 <Alberth> planetmaker: the signal is confusing, it's too easy to make a complete mess of your network 18:46:32 <V453000> making new player use it is really the worst option, perhaps aside combo signal :D 18:46:43 <fonsinchen> It's probably a good idea to have the signal be default that newbies use first 18:46:44 <planetmaker> well, terminus stations give them a normal use. But using them everywhere indeed is very stupid 18:46:48 <planetmaker> and will mess up things 18:46:58 <V453000> terminus stations _dont_ need 2way PBS either 18:47:02 <planetmaker> maybe the default pbs signal should be the 1-way pbs one 18:47:10 <planetmaker> they don't. Indeed 18:47:15 <Alberth> terminus can be done without 2-way pbs, for newbies 18:47:28 <fonsinchen> You can do without pbs there, but it's more complicated. 18:47:30 <V453000> for everyone, the 2way pbs is just wasted space there Alberth 18:47:36 <fonsinchen> you need pre/post signals then 18:47:49 <planetmaker> fonsinchen, no, you don't. You can do w/o any signals at terminus 18:48:01 <planetmaker> only entry 1-way pbs suffices 18:48:05 <Alberth> V453000: indeed, I never place them, except in pass-through stations used from both sides 18:48:14 <V453000> I think 1-way PBS would make a ton more sense. I still think it is vital for people to understand the system of block before diving into paths though. 18:48:22 <V453000> yes, that is what I call 2-way station Alberth 18:48:55 <fonsinchen> interesting ... I never though of building a terminus without signals 18:49:02 * fonsinchen goes and plays a bit 18:49:05 <V453000> :D 18:49:07 <planetmaker> :) 18:49:26 <Alberth> it saves an entire tile :) 18:49:34 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:PBS_Basic.png 18:49:40 <V453000> works 18:49:47 <Alberth> although I still build a straight track first from a platfom, as it looks better 18:50:21 <fonsinchen> Also that exit is not exactly a safe waiting position. But I get the logic 18:50:51 <V453000> proper networks can assume exits to be always free :P 18:51:03 <andythenorth> 2-way PBS? o_O 18:51:08 <andythenorth> Iâd never thought about that 18:51:31 <fonsinchen> V453000: then you can place the exit signal(s) even closer to the station. 18:51:32 <Tramvai> V453000: Have they changed the minimum service time to 30 days now? 18:51:36 <andythenorth> also stations without signals? 18:51:42 <andythenorth> witchcraft 18:51:52 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 18:51:52 <Alberth> fonsinchen: that exit looks like a block signal to me 18:52:05 <V453000> Tramvai: there might be some way to set it by clicking or editing config, but 30 is fine too 18:52:32 <Alberth> Tramvai: double click the line for a popup? 18:52:36 <Tramvai> Editing the cfg seems to be the only way... In-game it won't go lower than 30. Tried both using the arrows and editing through double click. 18:52:41 <V453000> fonsinchen: the station is Very far from perfect or even good, but yeah you can put it closer 18:52:59 <V453000> Tramvai: I did it somehow by some fiddling, but cant tell anymore :d 30 is fine tho 18:53:01 <Tramvai> Yeah, opened up the popup, tried 5, didn't change a thing. 30 is the lowest it accepts. 18:53:17 <V453000> could have been some combination of switching to %, setting it to 5 and then back 18:53:19 <V453000> or something similar 18:53:27 <V453000> doesnt really matter in the end, 1 month is very shoret 18:53:29 <V453000> short 18:53:49 <Alberth> less than a minute real-time :p 18:55:39 <Alberth> Tramvai: you know V plays without breakdowns and without servicing, right? 18:56:16 <Alberth> ie his trains never go to a depot, normally 18:56:25 <Tramvai> I just don't understand why the breakdown and servicing system is that bad right now... 18:56:52 <Tramvai> Seems to be a fundamental part of the game 18:57:08 <Tramvai> Yet it's seriously broken... apparently 18:57:20 <Alberth> it is? 18:57:34 <Tramvai> Or are my train drivers retarded? 18:58:18 <Alberth> probably your expectations and how it really works are not well aligned :) 18:58:34 <Tramvai> I haven't really paid attention to it much before, but I've just recently noticed what my trains are doing... And it really brought my piss to a boil 18:58:34 <planetmaker> :) 18:58:39 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:59 <Tramvai> They seem to prefer some depots over the other... that's what's wrong 18:59:21 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:57 <Alberth> if you tell them to get serviced every 30 days, they will try to do so every 30 days, to a depot that is near 19:01:09 <andythenorth> or a depot that is ânearâ according to the pathfinder 19:01:13 <andythenorth> not physically near 19:01:19 <andythenorth> even if it involves going down a sidetrack 19:01:32 <andythenorth> or in the case of RVs, 20 tiles in the wrong direction 19:01:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26651 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2014-06-17 19:01:45 UTC) 19:01:52 <DorpsGek> -Fix: make sure an abs is used that supports int64 when using abs on those variables 19:01:54 <andythenorth> or for trains, into a station that they are too long for 19:02:08 <andythenorth> thereby blocking the network 19:02:10 <Alberth> :) 19:02:34 <planetmaker> hehe, yeah. One of the reasons to prefer one-tainlength networks 19:02:49 <Alberth> my trains are mostly all about the same length :) 19:02:49 <andythenorth> âBreakdowns: off" 19:02:53 <planetmaker> trains on wrong paths then won't cause havoc 19:03:20 <andythenorth> Dandanâs comment is interesting, suggests it might be a dep https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6884#note-7 19:03:25 <andythenorth> rather than clang / llvm 19:05:07 <andythenorth> I wonder if libpng is the issue 19:05:33 <frosch123> http://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/2184 <- what happens if you run that on your png 19:05:38 <planetmaker> libpng warning: iCCP: Not recognizing known sRGB profile that has been edited <-- I get that, too 19:06:18 <planetmaker> on this system (fedora20). Not on my debian 19:06:31 <andythenorth> whines about âconvert' 19:06:37 <andythenorth> command not found 19:06:43 <frosch123> imagemagick 19:06:54 <Tramvai> Alberth: http://i.imgur.com/SOhNFC1.jpg 19:07:03 * andythenorth gets imagemagick 19:07:15 <andythenorth> this is going to hurt my phone bill 19:08:18 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26652 /branches/1.4 (6 files in 4 dirs) (2014-06-17 19:08:07 UTC) 19:08:19 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 19:08:20 <DorpsGek> - Fix: Segmentation fault when encountering a .obg/.obs/.obm with empty string/zero length MD5 checksums [FS#6038] (r26637) 19:08:21 <DorpsGek> - Fix: The 'Load' button was not properly enabled/disabled for old savegames without NewGRF information (r26634) 19:08:22 <DorpsGek> - Fix: If the video driver fails to supply a list of resolutions, display an error message [FS#6012] (r26629) 19:08:33 <Alberth> Tramvai: easy, specify a depot order in the orders of the train 19:08:47 <Tramvai> I got a lot of trains, it's not very efficient :S 19:09:02 <Alberth> then it will only visit that depot at the moment the order says so 19:09:04 <planetmaker> you don't use any shared orders? 19:09:11 <Alberth> no shared orders? :O 19:09:31 <Tramvai> What are... 19:09:32 <Tramvai> Shared... 19:09:35 <Tramvai> ord... 19:09:37 <Tramvai> ers? :S 19:09:43 <Tramvai> Can I eat them? :S 19:10:03 <planetmaker> yup. They're tasty. Nut flavour with a trace of cat. Or so 19:10:05 <Tramvai> I just specify orders and clone the train... 19:10:22 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Shared_orders#Shared_Orders oh boy, have you unexplored worlds :) 19:11:24 <Tramvai> :S 19:12:48 <Alberth> basically, you share the same set of orders between trains. Change them once to change them for every train using those shared orders 19:13:16 <Tramvai> Alright, converting the trains right now. That's great, thanks. 19:13:26 <planetmaker> ctrl+click on other train 19:13:38 <planetmaker> then the train will get shared orders with the train you clicked 19:13:47 <Tramvai> Yeah, the wiki page explained it fairly well. 19:13:52 <planetmaker> or ctrl+clone to clone an existing. k :) 19:14:17 <frosch123> basically, get some glue and make your ctrl key perma-pressed 19:14:29 <andythenorth> consists :( 19:14:35 <planetmaker> :P 19:14:42 * andythenorth is now proud owner of imagemagick 19:14:58 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26653 /branches/1.4 (8 files in 3 dirs) (2014-06-17 19:14:59 UTC) 19:15:07 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 19:15:08 <DorpsGek> - Fix: Incorrect usage of string commands in the base language [FS#6037] (r26642, r26640, r26639, r26632) 19:15:23 <andythenorth> frosch123: a new exciting error, after running that command 19:15:24 <andythenorth> sprites/graphics/chaplin_0.png: PNG file is not a 256 colour file! 19:15:34 <andythenorth> so itâs no longer paletted 19:15:38 <andythenorth> so I need to change the nfo? 19:16:28 <andythenorth> am I missing the bit in action 1 docs that tells me what to do? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action1 19:16:39 <andythenorth> currently they have 8bpp specified 19:17:31 <frosch123> nah, then the imagemagick command is wrong 19:17:47 <frosch123> actually, interesting... color profiles on 8bpp data 19:17:47 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-108-227-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:55 <frosch123> that sounds like silly crap :p 19:17:56 *** montalvo_ [~montalvo@88-108-227-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:47 <planetmaker> frosch123, no, not really. They define how actually each colour looks like 19:20:40 <V453000> HOW IN THE HELL CAN AN ERROR _EXCITE_ YOU ANDY 19:20:42 <V453000> EXCITE 19:20:44 <V453000> of all things possible 19:20:46 <V453000> wtf 19:23:08 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:03 <andythenorth> V453000: because itâs different to the old error 19:24:09 <andythenorth> new always = exciting, no? 19:24:13 <V453000> no 19:24:20 <andythenorth> oic 19:24:30 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:24:53 <V453000> when I get a new error, the 4 letter words usually echo through the room 19:24:53 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:02 <V453000> I guess you can describe that as exciting 19:25:18 <V453000> though not the most fit word probably 19:26:40 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 19:27:32 <andythenorth> wondering if I can downgrade libpng to the version snail reports as working with 6.0.3 19:28:33 <planetmaker> you use macports (or brew)? 19:28:35 <planetmaker> then you can 19:28:38 <planetmaker> likely 19:28:48 <andythenorth> I (stupidly) have both brew and macports versions right now 19:28:52 <andythenorth> I am going to bin the brew version 19:28:55 <fonsinchen> 4-letter words ... beer? 19:29:06 <planetmaker> !!! good idea :P 19:29:29 <fonsinchen> pivo! 19:29:32 <planetmaker> *plop* 19:29:44 <fonsinchen> so many 4-letter words 19:30:16 <planetmaker> nope ;) 19:30:43 <Xaroth|Work> twat? 19:30:55 <planetmaker> sure? 19:31:01 <Xaroth|Work> gheh 19:31:22 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:31:30 <Rubidium> Ïzza? 19:31:35 <planetmaker> nice 19:32:17 <andythenorth> how do I get macports to give me older libpng? 19:32:35 <frosch123> yeti, nuts, firs, fish, most words are 4 letter words 19:33:21 <V453000> purr, meow, slug 19:33:22 <V453000> (: 19:34:04 <V453000> OIL_ is a nice 4 letter word 19:34:13 <frosch123> :p 19:34:47 <planetmaker> do you still have that maybe, andythenorth ? 19:34:51 <planetmaker> %% port installed inactive 19:34:53 <andythenorth> no 19:34:55 <andythenorth> tried that 19:34:59 <andythenorth> having to do manual install 19:35:58 <planetmaker> and you didn't use time machine on that either, no? 19:36:53 <andythenorth> not sure 19:37:10 <andythenorth> certainly I donât have a backup nearby to check 19:37:35 <planetmaker> hm, I hoped you had the old version still. I did that on my machine a few times. But I don't clean those 19:42:37 <andythenorth> I got 1.4.8_0 19:42:55 <andythenorth> and built grfcodec 6.0.3 19:43:05 <andythenorth> but same spritesheet bounds error 19:43:34 <andythenorth> so snail has something different to me 19:43:49 <andythenorth> the deps I have are now ~same rev as snails 19:44:17 <Rubidium> different compiler? 19:44:31 <Rubidium> does it actually pick up the old png, or does it use the new one? 19:44:41 <andythenorth> not sure 19:44:47 <andythenorth> Iâve activated it with macports 19:45:08 <planetmaker> if you've mixed brew and macports you can't be sure which is used 19:45:16 <andythenorth> I removed the brew version 19:46:03 <planetmaker> then it should be unique :) 19:46:52 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:23 * andythenorth defeated 19:53:03 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:41 <Rubidium> it's not libpng 1.6.10; it works for me with 1.6.10 19:56:59 <NGC982> R-r-r-r-r-return what you have stolen! 19:57:01 <Rubidium> except the warning about iCCP / the sRGB profile 20:02:05 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-206-159.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.205.228.19] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:02:47 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 20:03:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.205.228.19] has joined #openttd 20:05:15 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 20:07:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:18 *** DiabloD3 [~diablo@64.222.250.112] has joined #openttd 20:07:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:09:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r26654 /trunk (5 files in 2 dirs) (2014-06-17 20:09:00 UTC) 20:09:07 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26482): Header file missing from sources.list. 20:10:03 *** michi_cc_ is now known as michi_cc 20:12:05 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-206-159.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:38 *** Tramvai [~oftc-webi@120.44.235.80.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:23:21 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:33 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:58 <andythenorth> bye 20:30:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.205.228.19] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:32:47 *** Diablo_D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-217-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:17 *** Tramvai [~oftc-webi@120.44.235.80.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:33:38 <Tramvai> Guys... 20:33:45 <Tramvai> Can I destroy a train? 20:34:00 <planetmaker> you can crash it or sell it 20:34:02 <Rubidium> just crash another train into it 20:34:25 <Tramvai> I have a train that moves half a block 20:34:25 *** funnel [~funnel@23.226.237.192] has joined #openttd 20:34:26 <Tramvai> And breaks down 20:34:34 <Tramvai> All my train traffic is halted 20:34:39 <Rubidium> build a depot really really close 20:34:48 <Rubidium> and force the train to go there 20:34:57 <Tramvai> Yeah, that's what I 20:35:00 <Tramvai> am trying 20:35:04 <Tramvai> But still takes like 5 minutes 20:35:20 <Tramvai> And it doesn't want to go there... 20:35:29 <FLHerne> Or turn off breakdowns, because they're a horrible BAD FEATURE that doesn't work properly for gameplay :P 20:37:29 <Tramvai> Had my friend who hosts it turn it off 20:37:40 *** DiabloD3 [~diablo@64.222.250.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:48 <Tramvai> They were ridiculous indeed :s 20:37:56 <V453000> (: 20:38:16 *** funnel_ [~funnel@23.226.237.192] has joined #openttd 20:41:21 *** Tramvai [~oftc-webi@120.44.235.80.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:47 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:44:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:45:55 *** funnel_ is now known as funnel 20:49:50 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 20:57:04 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:57:43 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:45 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:08:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:24:21 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 21:28:21 <planetmaker> hm... was Message: Assertion failed at line 1509 of /home/openttd/svn-publicserver/src/saveload/saveload.cpp: IsVariableSizeRight(sld) 21:28:21 <planetmaker> fixed? (r26645) 21:28:37 <planetmaker> I don't see that in our logs but seem remember... wrongly? 21:28:42 <frosch123> it can happen ever again 21:28:53 <planetmaker> just happend on our PS 21:29:45 <frosch123> but no, no issue of that type was fixed since r26645 21:30:07 <frosch123> do you have a core file or other type of backtrace? 21:30:18 <planetmaker> just the crash.log 21:30:20 <frosch123> we need to know on what chunk it happened 21:30:28 <planetmaker> and crash.sav 21:32:02 <frosch123> hmm, crash.sav... how does it create a crash.sav when saving causes the crash? :p 21:32:27 <planetmaker> of size 0 bytes 21:32:28 <planetmaker> :P 21:33:36 <frosch123> did you just start playing, or did it not happen all day? 21:34:26 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:35:01 <planetmaker> we started building on a virgin map. 21:36:51 <planetmaker> some 'planning' stuff might have been build before. Dunno when. So some tracks existed. And also a vehicle. But not sure how long before. V453000 do you know? 21:37:44 <V453000> the vehicle has been built today morning, few game years 21:37:52 <V453000> just check the vehicle age :) 21:38:07 <V453000> the first tracks existed since same time 21:38:14 <V453000> autoclean was on previously which cleaned our company 21:38:16 <frosch123> well, enable core files, and check whether you can trigger it again :) 21:38:22 <planetmaker> hm :) 21:38:33 <planetmaker> how do I enable core files? 21:38:56 <frosch123> ulimit -c unlimited 21:39:06 <frosch123> just put it into .bashrc 21:39:40 <frosch123> or add it to your ottd server start script, or whatever 21:40:00 <frosch123> there is no harm, it only has benefits :) 21:40:52 <Xaroth|Work> there are no limits to removing limits. 21:42:57 <planetmaker> it's started by means of some python scriped and then forked into background 21:50:09 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.145.165] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is considered as an innovative and versatile Irc client. Check by yourself at www.adiirc.com] 21:50:43 <planetmaker> well, let's see what happens 21:50:43 <planetmaker> I'll also have a look at my bed now. :) Good night 21:50:58 <frosch123> planetmaker: oh, i also assume you compiled with debug symbols 21:52:09 <planetmaker> I actually don't know :) 21:52:19 <planetmaker> Taede, will know 21:53:12 <planetmaker> config.log says no 21:53:25 <frosch123> well, then also enable those :) 21:55:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:08 <frosch123> night 22:03:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008ab9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:09:17 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 22:12:06 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:46:59 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Goodbye, Internets!] 23:58:55 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]