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ZZZzzzâŠ] 13:29:40 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:21 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:52:38 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:18 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:48 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:31 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:18 <andythenorth> o/ 14:25:39 <Alberth> hi hi 14:26:18 <andythenorth> drones are a missing cargo type 14:26:27 <andythenorth> and the PIPE grf seems pretty good so far 14:26:54 <andythenorth> the engines are weirdly presented though 14:27:15 <andythenorth> coloured letters used freely 14:27:30 <Alberth> like meow :) 14:28:01 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 14:29:20 <andythenorth> he uses low capacity, high speed engines 14:29:22 <andythenorth> works ok 14:29:34 <andythenorth> Iâd probably have used super-high-capacity, low speed 14:29:40 <andythenorth> but I guess he knows what heâs doing 14:30:13 <V453000> that guess is wrong on so many levels andythenorth :P 14:30:45 <andythenorth> V453000: fancy making a pipeline grf with me? o_O 14:31:42 * andythenorth wonders if V approves of pipelines 14:31:56 <Alberth> we need a powerline anyway :) 14:32:34 <Alberth> although yetis may not approve of stealing their batteries 14:32:39 <andythenorth> and have power stations produce electricity? 14:33:20 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1123531#p1123531 14:33:21 <Pikka> articulated electricity! 14:33:58 <andythenorth> articulated electric ships! 14:35:23 <andythenorth> articulated road types, with newgrf fields 14:35:25 <andythenorth> underground 14:36:20 <andythenorth> I should try and fix grfcodec :| 14:37:00 <andythenorth> I found some stuff I didnât understand about compiling some C++ things against the 10.6 std-lib 14:37:10 <andythenorth> which might be unrelated, and I donât know how to do it anyway 14:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that's always a good start to know what you don't know 14:38:03 <andythenorth> it would take a long time to enumerate all the things I know I donât know 14:38:06 <andythenorth> we donât have that long :( 14:38:15 <V453000> I have no clue wtf to do with pipelines andy 14:38:20 <V453000> or what do you mean by it 14:38:58 <andythenorth> have you tried PIPE? 14:39:15 <andythenorth> makes oil transport less boring 14:40:24 <V453000> no 14:40:32 <V453000> well I looked at the trains it gives 14:40:51 <andythenorth> hmm I could ro-ro it 14:41:00 <andythenorth> would make more sense than terminals with signalled passing loops 14:41:23 <V453000> aha this shit 14:41:33 <V453000> idk, nothing to look at there? 14:41:40 <V453000> if it at least looked nice 14:42:12 <V453000> But I do believe the idea could be interpreted nicely 14:43:01 <V453000> I would probably make something like "canals" though, so the "cargo inside" can be seen 14:43:02 <andythenorth> the signals are bad 14:43:10 <V453000> mhm 14:43:17 <andythenorth> I think it could be improved 14:43:30 <andythenorth> thereâs no point doing realistic 14:43:36 <andythenorth> the signals should be arrows on the ground 14:43:39 <andythenorth> and the trains should be visible 14:43:54 <andythenorth> I am trying to rebuild a route and Iâm inevitably going to have a crash 14:44:07 <V453000> yes :) 14:44:30 <V453000> creating something like trenches in the ground with -thing- filling them could look great 14:44:31 <V453000> Could. :) 14:44:53 <V453000> probably requires some offset wtfing 14:45:02 <V453000> bridges would be very wtf 14:45:04 <V453000> tunnels just as much 14:45:21 <V453000> ok then pipe above ground :D can be like a square half-pipe 14:45:29 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 14:45:38 <V453000> and trains are just bricks of -liquid- 14:45:47 <V453000> would actually not be very hard or long to draw 14:46:35 <V453000> if you help me code yeti, I will help you draw your pipe :) 14:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> get a room... 14:49:08 <V453000> : D 14:49:47 <V453000> not like we are disturbing any other communication 14:52:20 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 14:56:17 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:28 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:02 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 15:17:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:11 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:28:25 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:28:26 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:00 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-103-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:07 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:25 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@83TAAKPBG.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 15:53:29 <mist> if i place an airport between two cities but both of them are inside the purple "coverage" squares, will it give delivered goods to both cities or only one? 15:59:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.182.75] has joined #openttd 16:03:58 <frosch123> only the town it is named after 16:05:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.167.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:40 *** Haube [~michi@77-21-134-42-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:02 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:18 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 16:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the default name that counts, so renaming does not help 16:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what does help is building a bus station in the town you desire the target and then connecting the airport to it (via ctrl+click) 16:28:14 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:15 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:49 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:46 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:37 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.238] has joined #openttd 16:53:45 *** ivan` [~ivan`@000130ca.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:06 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:07:47 *** ivan` [~ivan`@000130ca.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:45 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-217-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:18:14 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:23:25 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-71-241-217-183.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:00 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:18 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:45 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:08 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26659 trunk/src/lang/catalan.txt (2014-06-21 17:45:12 UTC) 17:45:21 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:22 <DorpsGek> catalan - 31 changes by juanjo 17:47:56 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:30 *** Argensis [~Argensis@109.79.204.76] has joined #openttd 17:55:51 <Argensis> Hey, anyone know what "You can't build a railway station here" with no cause listed could be caused by? 17:58:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:58:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:42 <planetmaker> Argensis, many things... are there slopes? are all tiles clear? 18:00:50 <planetmaker> water? 18:00:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 18:01:17 <Argensis> Blank grass tiles, just outside a city where I have a very good rating 18:01:36 <Argensis> Tried a few more things and it seems to be just one station set which won't let me (the city stations grf) 18:02:00 <Argensis> I guess it must have some restriction on dates or something. 18:02:02 <planetmaker> newgrfs can require certain sizes. And possibly other things 18:02:13 <planetmaker> like dates or whatever. dunno 18:02:24 <planetmaker> ask the grf author what requirements a certain station has 18:02:45 <planetmaker> maybe it has a readme which explains stuff? 18:04:58 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-169-184.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:19 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3F89.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:20 <Argensis> As far as I can tell, tht's on the author's wiki which has ceased to exist 18:14:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:21 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:20:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:24:36 <MTsPony> can someone here explain why faster moving trains increase cpu usage? when i enable wagon speed limits or replace trains with ones that are twice as slow, cpu usage drops in half. 18:24:52 <MTsPony> strange thing is it only affects stuff visible 18:25:43 <MTsPony> so it cant be the pathfinder since it doesnt have any effect if i move my camera out of train range 18:26:16 <MTsPony> is it because trains redraw themselves more? 18:28:32 * FLHerne can't think of another good reason 18:31:08 <planetmaker> seems likely. you can quickly test when you minimize openttd and observe cpu usage 18:31:45 <planetmaker> or just change window size. 18:31:55 <MTsPony> yeh im pretty sure its the reason :( 18:32:34 <MTsPony> can you guys implement a function so it reduces rhe drawing for faster trains? lol 18:33:24 <MTsPony> skip drawing on every other frame :p 18:33:29 <Rubidium> not without making the trains seem behaving weirdly 18:33:51 <Rubidium> which would trigger bug reports 18:33:53 <MTsPony> isnt it less noticable the higher speed the train goes? 18:34:15 <planetmaker> even more noticable. They will start jumping 18:34:45 <MTsPony> wouldnt be to hard to make it an optional setting? 18:35:56 <planetmaker> Sorry, such setting, I don't think it makes sense 18:36:07 <MTsPony> anything else apart from,disabling smoke and animations to reduce cpu usage? 18:37:08 <FLHerne> MTsPony: Ships are still lag-inducing. Cargodist can eat quite a bit of CPU if enabled. 18:37:18 <MTsPony> no 18:37:28 <MTsPony> im talking about visuals on the screen 18:37:50 <Rubidium> are you using NewGRFs? 18:37:50 <planetmaker> zoom-in :) 18:37:57 <Rubidium> especially for trains? 18:37:57 <MTsPony> well sure, 18:37:57 <FLHerne> MTsPony: The less other stuff is using CPU time, the more time is available for the blitter to blit things 18:38:28 <MTsPony> i am using alot of train grfs yeah, would that significantly increase cpu usage just by looking at em? 18:38:37 <Rubidium> if those use weird animation triggers or other stuff, that could mean OpenTTD has to ask/execute some NewGRF code for each and every time the train moves 18:39:02 <Rubidium> especially when changing direction 18:39:10 <MTsPony> right, like some locos make animation right? 18:39:24 <MTsPony> im not sure if the global setting also disables those,tho 18:39:56 <Rubidium> and we need to do those checks even when they are not drawn, because we a cache of the (viewport) location of vehicles is much more efficient than looping over every vehicle when trying to determine what to (re)draw 18:40:59 <MTsPony> well my original question was more about the direct link to train speed and cpu isage 18:41:03 <MTsPony> usage 18:41:41 <Rubidium> higher train speed -> more reasons to ask NewGRF certain things about the sprites of the train -> more CPU usage 18:41:58 <MTsPony> mhh yeh good point i guess 18:42:30 <MTsPony> do other clients on the same server have to do the same calcs? 18:42:43 <planetmaker> yes, all. and the server 18:43:27 <MTsPony> rgr 18:43:44 <MTsPony> tho, dosnt the dedicated server skip graphic business? 18:44:05 <Rubidium> nope 18:44:30 <MTsPony> odd. 18:44:47 <MTsPony> isnt that what the "dedicated" video driver is for? 18:45:02 <MTsPony> i guess,that just means it doesnt render any screen output 18:45:03 <Rubidium> no 18:45:24 <MTsPony> k 18:45:34 <Rubidium> it's to provide a binary that doesn't need a load of windowing system libraries to just run and not show anything 18:45:44 <MTsPony> gotcha 18:46:38 <MTsPony> last question then, why does the dedicated server refuse to run when i set the resolution to 1,1 whereas 1,20 or somethinglike 13,13 stil works? lol 18:49:58 <MTsPony> guess that question has no logical answer lol,thanks tho 18:50:35 <Rubidium> well, please answer it yourself 18:50:41 <Rubidium> as it works for me 18:51:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:43 <andythenorth> V453000: that was a nice room we went in 18:55:47 <andythenorth> letâs do it again some time 19:04:10 <MTsPony> what decides the spot for the camera when you load a game or join a server? i was under the impression it was stored in the savegame but i tried changing the spot,,save and load but it doesnt change 19:04:52 <MTsPony> or is it decided by scenario editor only? 19:04:52 <frosch123> top-left corner is stored 19:05:04 <frosch123> when you join a game, the server defines it 19:05:17 <MTsPony> any way to change it in an already running game? 19:05:45 <frosch123> maybe rcon scrollto 19:05:57 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:06:24 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:06:42 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:49 <MTsPony> thanks illtry that 19:13:04 <andythenorth> I actually know of no reason why Road Hog has that grfid 19:13:27 <andythenorth> and as a satisfied customer of Canadian Stations, it seems a bit close 19:27:19 <planetmaker> grids can differ by one and it doesn't matter... 19:28:10 <planetmaker> thus any 'too close' is artificial at best 19:29:29 <andythenorth> there is / was a convention of incrementing grfids 19:29:34 <andythenorth> 81 / FE are pretty close 19:30:20 <planetmaker> @calc 0xFE - 0x81 19:30:21 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 125 19:30:34 <planetmaker> room for quite a few. More than I care to write in my life 19:30:49 <andythenorth> I dunno, Canadian stuff gets released pretty often... 19:30:58 <frosch123> lol, are you differing in only one byte? :p 19:31:33 <andythenorth> yes 19:31:44 <frosch123> andythenorth: CA is deprecated, ozt uses a different prefix today 19:31:50 <frosch123> there won't be no new 19:31:55 <frosch123> what's the third byte? 19:32:07 <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE&feature=kp 19:32:09 <andythenorth> turn it up 19:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: afair the reason for chosing this grfid was specifically this "i reserve 1 million GRFIDs that nobody else may use" crap 19:32:51 <andythenorth> nah, that was Iron Horse 19:32:54 <andythenorth> I reckon 19:32:58 <andythenorth> this one smells of accident 19:33:03 <andythenorth> trolling should be deliberate 19:34:03 <planetmaker> possibly I trolled you both by suggesting it 19:34:12 <planetmaker> but I don't recall 19:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure i took part in that discussion 19:35:13 <andythenorth> someone read the logs 19:35:18 <andythenorth> then I can comment the code :P 19:35:27 <andythenorth> I searched my transcripts, but my client is crappy for search 19:39:17 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3454/ 19:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but that's not when it was decided? 19:41:24 <planetmaker> dunno when it was decided. I really go no clue 19:42:15 *** blathijs [~matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:08 <andythenorth> at least we have something to talk about :P 19:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> this one seems to be about iron horse: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/date/2013-09-05?page=3 19:45:43 <frosch123> planetmaker: apparently that was the decision :) 19:45:59 <frosch123> the grfid commit is 2014-03-09 20:53 19:46:48 <frosch123> ^^ eddi actually 19:47:01 *** blathijs [~matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 19:49:17 <FLHerne> Huh, if I ever properly finish these pointless objects I'll actually have a valid reason to use a CAxx id :P 19:49:20 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:13 <frosch123> just put it into the specs: if you have no idea what grfid to use, make it start with CA :) 19:50:16 <fonsinchen> It seems like OzTrans' move gave ideas to everyone 19:50:22 * fonsinchen gets chips and beer 19:50:32 <andythenorth> oh itâs froschâs fault 19:50:33 <frosch123> nah, too boring 19:50:34 <andythenorth> I see 19:51:08 <frosch123> really? 19:51:13 <frosch123> what did i do? 19:51:28 <andythenorth> suggested CA because Dan is Canadian 19:51:48 <frosch123> ah, that one 19:51:58 <andythenorth> the nice thing is that everyone automatically assumed I was trolling 19:52:04 *** blathijs_ [~matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 19:52:58 <DorpsGek> Commit by fonsinchen :: r26660 trunk/src/cargopacket.h (2014-06-21 19:52:52 UTC) 19:52:59 <DorpsGek> -Fix: CargoPacket::SourceStation() returns a StationID. 19:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes the time is just right for everything to come together :) 19:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> half a year earlier the outcome probably would have been entirely different 19:55:32 <andythenorth> PIPE should offer two sizes of pipeline :P 19:55:39 <andythenorth> this one isnât big enough 19:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: anyway, the answer for that question "it's a joke, but i have no clue what it is" apparently is: "CA" for being CA, and 1830 as the start year 19:56:05 *** blathijs [~matthijs@tika.stderr.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:12 <andythenorth> I updated the comment in code ;) 19:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i still think BCD would have been better... 20:02:36 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:58 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:06:57 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:18 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:31 <andythenorth> PIPE is my new favourite thing 20:09:41 <LordAro> | 20:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a disturbance in the force 20:13:25 <frosch123> laser pipe? 20:14:02 <FLHerne> ten-foot laser pole, wasn't it? 20:14:19 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=61644&hilit=PIPE 20:15:19 <andythenorth> did anyone make a new Silicon Valley yet? 20:15:19 <frosch123> oh, didn't know that actually made it into a grf 20:15:33 <andythenorth> frosch123: it did, and itâs surprisingly good 20:15:40 <andythenorth> I was prepared to disdain it :P 20:16:08 <andythenorth> so that answers all future requests for pipelines 20:16:13 <andythenorth> it would also work for electricity too 20:16:17 <andythenorth> but thatâs a BAD FEATURE 20:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's the perfect thing for a rondje-style network 20:17:30 <andythenorth> rondje? 20:17:34 <andythenorth> I just get cycling in Holland 20:17:34 <andythenorth> :P 20:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: buy the vehicle at one end, and sell it on the other end after unloading 20:19:17 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.86] has quit [Quit: â â â â â â ⠺⠺⠺⠲â â â â â â â ²â â â â â â â â â â â â œâ â â â â ºâ â â â â â â â â â â â ¢â â ] 20:19:18 <andythenorth> he 20:21:58 <andythenorth> I would definitely definitely look for âShare ordersâ under the âGo toâ dropdown 20:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> in any case, i think it's the wrong way to implement pipelines. pipelines aren't fast, they are slow, but each time something is pushed in one end, somethhing comes out at the other end 20:22:29 <frosch123> how unrealistic 20:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i think it's better as roadtype 20:23:05 <andythenorth> yes, we have lots of those spare 20:24:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 20:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> now this force thing is just disturbing 20:25:10 <Rubidium> ... but... when you push something in, it won't come out until after a delay 20:25:35 <Rubidium> after all, the pressure wave needs to propagate 20:26:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: sure, but my point is the actual cargo doesn't travel nearly as fast as the pressure wave 20:28:21 <Rubidium> though you can model the the input to output delay by using fast vehicles 20:28:42 <andythenorth> and gameplayâŠ? :P 20:29:00 <Rubidium> in a sense it's all a black box and you don't need to care about the internal implementation 20:29:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it does significantly affect the payment curve 20:30:21 <andythenorth> I think he has it about right with fast vehicles 20:30:28 <andythenorth> I would have done slow, but it would be boring 20:31:24 <Eddi|zuHause> slow definitely collides with the railway system, signals, junctions, etc. 20:32:44 <andythenorth> I think his implementation is quite nice 20:32:51 <andythenorth> the graphics for signals are horrible 20:33:23 <andythenorth> and there are too many incremental upgrades to engines 20:34:26 <planetmaker> pipes should not have upgrades really, should they? 20:34:43 <andythenorth> he upgrades the âpumpsâ (trains) 20:34:48 <planetmaker> well, maybe... yeah 20:34:49 <andythenorth> more HP etc 20:34:53 <andythenorth> valid 20:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> there may be a case for introducing a junction-less pipeline network type, for oil, electricity, cable cars, etc. 20:36:30 <andythenorth> maybe 20:36:42 <andythenorth> I proposed âcontinuous flowâ years ago 20:36:46 <andythenorth> now I sound like MB :) 20:37:03 <andythenorth> one day I will be MB 20:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ski lifts 20:37:13 <Alberth> it worked in TTDPatch flawlessly 20:38:25 <andythenorth> no junctions = no depots 20:38:27 <Eddi|zuHause> whenever a <capacity unit> amount at the loading station is available, all entities on the pipe are pushed along on the pipeline 20:38:36 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: sounds nice :) 20:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> basically each loading step. 20:39:04 <andythenorth> one in, one out 20:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> question is what happens when during a loading step, the amount is not available 20:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause> push an empty unit, or don't push? 20:42:13 <andythenorth> push 20:42:18 <andythenorth> otherwise networks block horribly 20:42:33 <andythenorth> or add network segments or something 20:42:55 <andythenorth> canât think what benefit segments have 20:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you make segments by putting a pumping station inbetween 20:49:07 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:46 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 20:52:41 <andythenorth> frosch123: for the record, SV with FIRS Arctic Basic, Manufacturing Supplies 20:52:44 <andythenorth> is a good combo 20:53:27 <frosch123> yay, a happy customer :) 20:54:03 <andythenorth> it has just the right degree of connectedness in the cargos 20:55:56 *** sla_ro|master2 [~sla.ro@89.137.74.191] has quit [] 21:16:24 <andythenorth> night 21:16:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:34:15 *** MTsPony is now known as Guest14361 21:34:15 *** MTsPony1 [~marctraid@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:15 *** MTsPony1 is now known as MTsPony 21:41:07 *** Guest14361 [~marctraid@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:50:20 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:41 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:58 <__ln__> http://gizmodo.com/the-1983-punk-rock-record-with-a-digital-music-video-fo-1594269981 22:17:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:17:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> back then there were actually radio shows that transmitted computer programs. which you could record on tape and then load into the computer 22:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but that was way before my time... 22:23:05 <__ln__> there were, yes... (and was before my time too). but the most shocking thing about it is that there were radioshows about programming computers. 22:24:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f740e39.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then there were tv shows, and then youtube videos, and... 22:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> nowadays i keep thinking how did anyone ever get work done without googling how to do it first... 22:28:22 <__ln__> yeah, any work 22:28:43 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> funny bit on the side: i learned HTML before i ever went on the internet 22:28:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:29:20 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: we used to read books :) 22:29:37 <Alberth> and man pages :p 22:29:41 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:30:11 <Taede> and 'wonder what this does' 22:30:31 <Taede> lets try it 22:30:38 <Alberth> if it looked harmless enough, yeah :) 22:30:56 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3F89.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a red button labeled "don't press this", what could possiblygo wrong... 22:32:23 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:33:09 *** bdavenport [~davenport@aeolus.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:35 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:43 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:57 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:02:01 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:38 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:09:53 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 23:14:09 *** Argensis [~Argensis@109.79.204.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:26:43 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:05 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:16 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:32 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:54 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:49 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-120-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]