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Log for #openttd on 25th June 2014:
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05:31:07  <V453000> =D https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6238/3-AA.wmv
05:31:34  <V453000> asdf meant this :) https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6237/1-X.wmv
05:32:17  <Supercheese> superlative :D
05:32:43  <Supercheese> although it seems like the rocks come out larger than when they go in
05:33:00  <Supercheese> perhaps they're just less dense
05:33:57  <V453000> hm do thyey
05:33:59  <V453000> yeah they do
05:34:08  <V453000> well downsizing the output is minimal work :)
05:34:28  <V453000> it barely fits on the final belt anyway :D
05:36:41  <V453000> the stone also starts falling too quickly
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06:47:56  <Pikka> have you cut these animations up into sprites yet? how big do they end up?
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06:49:05  <V453000> I do have it rendered as png sequence, no coding yet though so didnt exactly cut them into industry sprites, but 128 1024x124 sprites like this have something around 100MB
06:51:43  <V453000> at the current moment I have 5 animations like that
06:51:53  <Pikka> cheap at half the price
06:51:55  <V453000> which already is quite a newgrf size
06:53:34  <V453000> what do you mean cheap at half the price?
06:53:51  <Pikka> no idea
06:54:01  <V453000> ok :D
06:54:29  <Supercheese> Can't be as bad as zBase, eh
06:54:33  <Supercheese> or can it?
06:54:40  <planetmaker> will be worse
06:54:52  <V453000> size-wise it will be considerably worse
06:54:57  <V453000> graphically I hope not :)
06:55:03  <Supercheese> Meant size
06:55:23  <planetmaker> also good morning :)
06:55:24  <V453000> size could exceed something above 1GB if all 16 industries are to get 128 frames of animation
06:55:26  <V453000> hi pm
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06:56:54  * Supercheese wonders how well .pngs can be compressed without killing quality
06:57:42  <planetmaker> Supercheese, not much at all. png *is* a compressed format
06:57:50  <Supercheese> :(
06:57:51  <V453000> ^
06:57:52  <planetmaker> basically it is *.bmp.zip
06:58:08  <Pikka> they can be optimised to compress smaller though
06:58:12  <Supercheese> That... makes a lot of sense
06:58:29  <planetmaker> there's always some room for improvement, sure. But 5...10% is not much
07:17:50  <peter1139> Also PNG is lossless, so you can whack it up to maximum compression with only a loss of speed.
07:18:05  <peter1139> Dunno if it affects the speed of decompression, probably not.
07:29:04  <Xaroth|Work> needs more jpeg
07:32:18  <Supercheese> D:
07:38:00  <V453000> jpeg isnt very good at alpha :P
07:39:21  <Pikka> 16x extra zoom level!
07:39:24  <Pikka> 2bpp!
07:40:06  <Pikka> high-detail line drawings!
07:40:10  <Diablo-D3> V453000: very good? more like non-existant
07:40:47  <V453000> :)
07:49:34  <peter1139> Pikka, diagram-game!
07:50:48  <peter1139> http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/501/753/1600/simscr06_947.png
07:51:43  <Diablo-D3> are any of the AIs any good?
07:51:43  <Diablo-D3> I dont care for the american road replacement
07:53:44  <peter1139> http://pixelart.brosedesign.de/Images/simu-p96c-02.jpg
07:53:49  <peter1139> That's quite nice...
07:54:15  <Diablo-D3> so far my grf set is: 2cc 2, 8/32bpp trains 2cc, av9.8, egrvts 2, firs, fish 2, heqs, sewdish houses, swedish rails, swedish town names, tbrs for arrs, arrs, isr, ogfx+ trees, and newcc
07:54:24  <Diablo-D3> peter1139: huh
07:54:33  <peter1139> Huh what?
07:54:33  <Diablo-D3> I usually dont like cell shaded stuff
07:54:38  <Diablo-D3> but thats actually quite nice
07:54:43  <peter1139> Ah
07:54:47  <planetmaker> hm, reminds me... comic houses...
07:55:00  <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: yeah, cell shaded
07:55:21  <peter1139> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=43192&start=0 Yeah
07:55:31  <Diablo-D3> can I load multiple house replacements?
07:55:33  <Pikka> lol av9.8
07:55:48  <Diablo-D3> Pikka: I wanna see if its worth using
07:56:41  <peter1139> planetmaker, it's pre-4x zoom, right?
07:56:49  <planetmaker> maybe I should take up again comic houses, now that I don't need to do nasty palette conversions anymore
07:56:50  <Diablo-D3> btw, it'd be interesting if a road replacement grf would change tile looks based on how well its traveled or what travels on it frequently
07:56:59  <planetmaker> peter1139, they seem to have a non-matchin tile size of 96px
07:57:04  <planetmaker> thus 1.5x zoom
07:57:20  <planetmaker> yes, the "existing" comic houses are pre-zoom and pre-32bpp grfs
07:57:21  <peter1139> planetmaker, I mean the work you did already. Looks like it's pre-32bpp NewGRF too...
07:58:05  <peter1139> Hmm, needs to be *2.666666666666666666666666666666 to go from 96 to 256 :(
07:58:07  <planetmaker> hm, also 192px available
07:58:18  <planetmaker> 64*1.5 = 96
07:58:21  <Diablo-D3> I assume thats not hand drawn and done with cg
07:58:27  <planetmaker> it's the -- diameter there
07:58:31  <Diablo-D3> so whoever made them could just re-render them
07:58:48  <peter1139> Pretty sure it is 'hand' drawn.
07:58:57  <planetmaker> I think so, too
07:59:15  <peter1139> Easier to plop down an outline and fill, than to create a 3D model, texture it, render it, urgh...
07:59:19  <Diablo-D3> cant I add game server grfs to single player?
07:59:27  <planetmaker> though there's 32, 96, 192 comic packs
08:00:35  <peter1139> 32 ... that'll be A-Trains style then, heh.
08:00:59  <Diablo-D3> hrm
08:01:00  <Diablo-D3> hey guys
08:01:06  <Diablo-D3> I remember a grf that made multiple types of road
08:01:11  <Diablo-D3> like, a dirt road
08:01:29  <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem to be on bananas
08:01:40  <peter1139> There's no road types yet.
08:01:57  <Diablo-D3> well, it was just graphical I think
08:01:58  <peter1139> TTRS did replace road graphics though.
08:02:20  <peter1139> Cobble rather than dirt though.
08:02:37  <Diablo-D3> I remember one that had brown dirt, and it was heqs or w/e oriented
08:08:06  <Supercheese> Think that's now called North American Roads
08:08:41  <Diablo-D3> yeah not on banana
08:08:57  <Diablo-D3> newcc seems to rape the gui colors, donotwant
08:09:03  <V453000> isnt nit canadian roads or something?
08:09:08  <Supercheese> "North American Roads & Trams"
08:09:12  <Supercheese> on B&N&N&S
08:09:14  <V453000> newCC rapes more than just the gui :)
08:09:20  <V453000> right :)
08:09:24  <Supercheese> e.g. http://binaries.openttd.org/bananas/newgrf/North_American_Roads__Trams-1.0.tar.gz
08:09:27  <Supercheese> errr
08:09:29  <Supercheese> i.e.?
08:09:34  <Supercheese> I hate the difference between those two
08:09:41  <Diablo-D3> Supercheese: theres north american renewal set and north american road vehicle set
08:10:08  <Supercheese> Sure, try the one linked, pretty sure that's the dirt/cobblestone -> bitumen roadset
08:10:23  <V453000> it might have some super retarded max_version for openttd
08:10:31  <Supercheese> eeeh valid
08:10:35  <Supercheese> hence use the direct link
08:10:37  <V453000> so if you are using some "latest"-ish version, it might just be invisible
08:10:49  <Diablo-D3> Supercheese: does that grf have multiple road types?
08:10:56  <V453000> go and check? :D
08:10:58  <Supercheese> Technically no, graphically yes
08:11:04  <Supercheese> all roads are roads are roads
08:11:08  <Supercheese> but they look different based on year
08:11:10  <V453000> ah that, yes.
08:11:16  <Diablo-D3> oh that
08:11:20  <Supercheese> it's pretty nice
08:11:26  <Supercheese> depots and such change too
08:11:26  <V453000> 1950 is dirt, from 1950 is asphalt
08:11:29  <Diablo-D3> no, the one Im thinking of has multiple types and lets you pick and choose
08:11:29  <V453000> they look nice
08:11:41  <Supercheese> there are no such grfs possible
08:11:43  <Supercheese> no roadtypes
08:11:45  <V453000> no newGRF in openttd has multiple types as there isnt a feature roadtypes
08:11:47  <V453000> . :)
08:11:50  <Diablo-D3> wtf
08:11:53  <Diablo-D3> I seriously remember this
08:11:55  <Supercheese> Simutrans, perhaps?
08:11:57  <Supercheese> They do that
08:11:58  <V453000> tram tracks perhaps
08:11:59  <Diablo-D3> like 2-3 years ago
08:12:03  <Diablo-D3> Ive never played simutrans
08:12:04  <Supercheese> and yeah trams
08:12:12  <Supercheese> are the "only roadtype"
08:12:16  <Diablo-D3> isnt that a windows game?
08:12:17  <Supercheese> only other
08:13:31  <Supercheese> Could do roads-as-rails
08:13:37  <Supercheese> there's already water-as-rails :P
08:14:17  <Supercheese> Grade crossings become oxymoronic then, of course, and town growth is wrecked...
08:14:29  <Supercheese> hence why no one's done it I suppose
08:15:50  * Diablo-D3 uses no road replacement and uses total bridge replacement without arrs
08:16:46  * Diablo-D3 waits for map to build
08:17:05  <Diablo-D3> Im using a lower industries setting this time because they were waaay too packed last time
08:19:48  <Supercheese> good night
08:19:52  <Diablo-D3> night
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08:43:42  <V453000> already finished the 4x4k map? :D
08:49:37  <Diablo-D3> Im generating a new one
08:49:56  <Diablo-D3> I had to increase the initial loan size and enable creation of primary industries
08:51:33  <V453000> you wouldnt have to increase loan with cheaper train set! :D
08:51:46  <V453000> btw creation of primary industries can be changed during the game
08:51:54  <Diablo-D3> loan cant.
08:55:51  <V453000> hm, I wanted to make an orchard for fruit but that is boring
08:55:57  <V453000> what other industry for food chain?
08:56:00  <V453000> already got animal and grain farm
08:56:34  <V453000> guess some vegetable farm with overgrown stuff could be nice
08:57:02  <planetmaker> of course you want a hop farm
08:57:22  <planetmaker> yetis definitely want bear. You got already the barley
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08:57:41  <planetmaker> bear? beer!
08:57:49  <V453000> yeah thought about hops as well
08:58:08  <planetmaker> fits also the 'overgrown' theme.
08:58:16  <planetmaker> probably a hell to render :)
08:58:33  <V453000> could do both
08:58:44  <V453000> overgrown stuff, one of stuff is hops thingy
08:59:13  <V453000> the problem is to model the organic shapes, rendering is easy :P
08:59:23  <planetmaker> hops naturally grows on trees or so, using them to gain height
08:59:30  <planetmaker> yeah, meant modelling
09:00:06  <V453000> :) will see
09:00:09  <V453000> -> lunch
09:01:04  <planetmaker> enjoy your lunch. 30 minutes to go here :D
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09:50:33  <V453000> tanks :) wuz grate
09:50:47  <Pikka> doesn't it
09:51:05  <Pikka> goodnight, individuals and collectives
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10:38:44  <peter1139> 1138 o'clock
10:42:47  <peter1139> heh
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10:42:57  <peter1138> how long has that been like that? o_O
10:46:51  <NGC3982> 1139?
10:46:57  <planetmaker> weeks
10:52:18  <peter1138> months i think
10:59:59  <V453000> we loved you throughout the hard time no less
11:00:08  <V453000> even with the hideous change
11:00:12  <Diablo-D3> hrm this grf setup I have is actually fun
11:00:30  * Diablo-D3 has giant stations enabled, 64 tiles, has a 14 tile long train atm <3
11:01:19  <V453000> am not sure long trains are very great with FIRS if you consider max production for 1 industry is like 500-ish
11:02:30  <Diablo-D3> its being fed by a bunch of fruit farms that spawned together
11:02:51  <Diablo-D3> 9 doing ~50 tons a month
11:03:08  <Diablo-D3> train is 1350 tons
11:04:05  <Diablo-D3> I just paid for a brewery and am sending the fruit there now (was dropping it off to truck in to a grocery before)
11:14:58  <Eddi|zuHause> that still means it takes like 3 months to fill the train
11:15:47  <Eddi|zuHause> you should deliver stuff more often than that, to utilize the synergy effects of delivering multiple cargo types to secondary industries
11:17:18  <__ln__> this country is malfunctioning, there's water falling from the sky
11:17:32  <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: Im building a farm supply chain
11:17:36  <Diablo-D3> to increase the output of the farms
11:18:04  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: can't reproduce that.
11:18:23  <__ln__> still in czech
11:18:41  <Eddi|zuHause> that may be an issue
11:18:59  <Eddi|zuHause> try switching platforms
11:21:05  <Diablo-D3> lol bauxite mine is m
11:21:41  <Eddi|zuHause> primary industries are more expensive, yes.
11:21:52  <V453000> just uninstall it __ln__
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11:23:38  <Diablo-D3> my best bet is a machine shop I think, m
11:24:35  <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: so why don't you look for existing ones on the map and connect them?
11:24:51  <Diablo-D3> they're pretty far away
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11:51:14  <Eddi|zuHause> What the Newspaper says: "Oppermann [social-democrat] compares critique of Pres. Gauck by the left party with nazi agitation". what i read: "Oppermann triggers Godwin's Law"
11:53:50  <Eddi|zuHause> (the left party said something like "President Gauck is a warmonger")
11:58:51  <Diablo-D3> swedish building set has an ikea.
11:59:54  <Eddi|zuHause> that would make sense
12:04:15  <Diablo-D3> my captive city has 25.5k people
12:04:35  <Diablo-D3> Im watching an inner city bus station just burn through busses
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13:27:02  <Eddi|zuHause> if google glass is voice activated, how does that behave when two people are next to each other, trying to command their glass?
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14:01:14  <peter1138> They make love and produce more Google Glasses.
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14:39:06  <Rubidium> "Goggle glass" ... "Self destruct" (on the speakers of a train station or airport)
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14:44:01  <Xaroth|Work> "Google glass, play 'Never gonna give you up'"
14:50:20  <Rubidium> that'd work as well
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15:25:50  <Diablo-D3> heh
15:25:54  <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: remember that fruit train?
15:26:16  <Diablo-D3> its now leaving about 3 times a month with the same fruit farms
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15:37:26  <dihedral> greetings :-)
15:38:03  <Xaroth|Work> sup dih
15:38:05  <Xaroth|Work> http://map.ipviking.com/ << gheh
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15:42:42  <Diablo-D3> train arrived on 5th jul
15:43:52  <dihedral> good job i do not host my stuff in the us :-P
15:43:53  <Diablo-D3> left on 4th aug
15:44:04  <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: so I was wrong, once a month
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15:47:17  <Diablo-D3> 31st oct to...
15:48:26  <Diablo-D3> 1st dec
15:48:34  <Diablo-D3> so 2 months that time hrm
15:48:39  <Diablo-D3> er, 1
15:49:21  <dihedral> whois Diablo-D3
15:49:34  <dihedral> yay for the missing slash
15:49:41  <Diablo-D3> heh
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15:55:42  <planetmaker> dihedral, he's the guy who provides us with a live feed of how his game goes and about the things he wonders and the things he wants to see changed. That even includes progress on map generation etc
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17:32:43  <Wolf01> moin
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17:33:20  <Matulla> hi all Question WHAT if a town needs food but dont accept it
17:33:41  <Matulla> how can i make it accept food real quick or quicker
17:33:54  <Wolf01> with an airport
17:34:05  <Matulla> ok
17:34:15  <Wolf01> bigger catchement area, better coverage
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17:46:03  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26664 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2014-06-25 17:45:54 UTC)
17:46:04  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:05  <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 15 changes by yjw691
17:46:06  <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Supercheese
17:46:07  <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 50 changes by Stabilitronas
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17:46:39  <andythenorth> o/
17:47:23  <Alberth> hi hi
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18:29:25  <andythenorth> where is cat?
18:33:07  <Rubidium> probably near sam
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18:48:25  <andythenorth> quak
18:53:44  <Alberth> animal mode today?
18:54:58  <andythenorth> apparently
19:01:32  <frosch123> hola
19:01:45  <andythenorth> frosch123: did you see my grfcodec paste yesterday?
19:02:20  <frosch123> somewha
19:02:45  <andythenorth> wondering what my next debugging step is...
19:02:47  <frosch123> you do not happen to be running sshd?
19:03:01  <andythenorth> you want in?
19:03:19  <frosch123> then we could debug it together
19:03:39  <andythenorth> can’t let you in mine for infosec reasons, but my wife’s mac runs mavericks
19:03:45  <andythenorth> it compiles ottd, so it probably has tools
19:04:13  <frosch123> alternatively, are you familar with gdb?
19:04:17  <andythenorth> no
19:04:34  <andythenorth> I had a go with lldb, but I don’t know how to use it properly
19:04:50  <frosch123> oh, right, ... different tools even
19:05:00  <andythenorth> fonso seems to know it
19:05:18  <frosch123> well, anyway, first you need to compile grfcodec with debug symbols
19:05:29  <andythenorth> actually would it be generally useful if I could keep a mac online with SSH?
19:05:41  <andythenorth> it could even have different OS boot options
19:05:44  <frosch123> in the makefile there is somewhere some CCFLAGS or CXXFLAGS, where you need to add "-g"
19:06:14  * Rubidium has some sort of osx in virtualbox
19:06:36  <Rubidium> slow as XXXX
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19:07:05  <frosch123> likely fast enough for a console tool :)
19:07:33  <Rubidium> well... fast enough to go through the hassle to configure sshd
19:11:38  * Rubidium wonders what kinds of dependencies mercurial has; it's taking already 5 minutes to calculate them
19:11:45  <Rubidium> s/calculate/compute/
19:20:43  <Alberth> python2 mostly
19:29:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought calculate and compute were somewhat synonymous?
19:31:56  <frosch123> computing is more the calculating
19:32:00  <frosch123> *than
19:32:37  <NGC3982> Is it?
19:32:55  <frosch123> http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/10316/difference-between-computation-and-calculation <- they claim so :p
19:32:57  <NGC3982> :-p
19:33:15  <frosch123> apparently "computing" is "calculating with claiming you know what you are doing" or so :p
19:33:42  <NGC3982> Doesn't the word originally define the >person< that calculates?
19:34:27  <frosch123> both exist as noun and as verb
19:34:33  <frosch123> probably even as adjectives
19:34:42  <frosch123> or rather adverbs
19:34:49  <andythenorth> for the purpose you’re using, I think they’re synonyms
19:36:04  <Rubidium> finally... it's doing something useful
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19:38:26  <Eddi|zuHause> and i thought "osx" and "useful" are mutually exclusive :p
19:39:43  <Alberth> since when does that stop people from trying it anyway
19:39:51  <andythenorth> meh
19:40:01  <andythenorth> it’s a bit much http://www.greenminihost.com
19:40:14  <andythenorth> for €30 or whatever I’d pay for a hosted mac mini in a datacenter :P
19:40:16  <Rubidium> now... boost
19:40:21  <andythenorth> if anyone was actually going to use it
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19:40:32  <andythenorth> €60 is a bit much though
19:41:31  <Rubidium> joy... installing icu for boost
19:41:44  <Alberth> lol
19:42:18  <andythenorth> .75 / month http://virtualmacosx.com/index.php/osx-personal-desktop
19:42:25  <andythenorth> looks like it could be a scam though
19:43:10  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: all i get from this page is that everybody has a different opinion on how synonymously they actually are or which nuance of difference there is
19:45:01  <andythenorth> https://www.macincloud.com/subscription/signup/subscribe.php?plan_code=de-m-ml
19:45:06  <andythenorth> only 2GB of RAM though
19:45:10  <andythenorth> crappy for compiling
19:46:49  <andythenorth> swiss one is not cheap :O http://xcloud.me/pricing-signup/
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19:51:24  <andythenorth> how can I build non-blocking RV stations?
19:52:11  <andythenorth> I have about 30 drive-thru tiles free, but 40 vehicles queuing at station entrance
19:52:14  <Rubidium> set max_rvs to 0
19:52:27  <V453000> building splitter stations helps a bit, but Rubidium has a better solution
19:52:52  <andythenorth> oh you lol :P
19:53:01  <Rubidium> oh cock... valgrind is not available 10.9
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19:55:31  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: build more in parallel, and tweak the pathfinder penalties
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19:56:54  <andythenorth> this is my station, it’s not blocked in screenie because I just deleted 20 trucks https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6239/rv-station.png
19:57:14  <andythenorth> blocks at the entrance, next to depot tile
19:58:45  <frosch123> Rubidium: grfcodec depends on valgrind?
20:00:36  <Rubidium> no, but I wanted to run it through valgrind to get a clue if there's something overflowing
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20:04:53  <andythenorth> :o
20:04:55  <andythenorth> wtf
20:05:02  <andythenorth> since when are bridges over-buildable?
20:13:51  <Rubidium> something's really screwed up in the OS X vm I'm using
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20:14:49  <Rubidium> it kinda keeps looping on creating .d files, and without .d files it just thinks it has compiled some .cpp files even when they are changed
20:15:05  <Rubidium> although... the result of ls -alh shows no time for files modified today
20:17:21  <andythenorth> :(
20:20:10  <Rubidium> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3464/ <- diff of my local changes
20:20:22  <Rubidium> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3465/ <- output
20:20:54  <Rubidium> line 3 is as expected; some null values
20:21:04  <Rubidium> at line 22 weird things start to happen
20:21:08  <andythenorth> is libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile significant?
20:21:13  <Rubidium> andythenorth: nope
20:22:28  <Rubidium> the first sprite file is from the inforeader class itself, which is the LAST sprite file it opened. After opening it assigns the new sprite name (the second)
20:23:02  <Rubidium> however... the sprite name in the inforeader class changed *without* the code for assigning a new one being executed
20:27:44  <Rubidium> victory...-ish
20:34:06  <Rubidium> andythenorth: does http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3466/ solve the issue for you?
20:34:33  * andythenorth compiles
20:35:26  <frosch123> yay for mixing c and c++ :)
20:35:51  <andythenorth> hrm
20:36:00  <Rubidium> but this bug is weirding me out
20:36:01  <andythenorth> patch won’t apply
20:36:23  <Rubidium> andythenorth: then I mangled it probably too much copy-pasting it through ssh
20:36:35  <Rubidium> it's simple enough to do it manually
20:36:40  <frosch123> Rubidium: considering your fix it looks like the std::string is changed or destroyed while the c_str reference is still being used
20:36:48  <andythenorth> unexpectedly ends in middle of line
20:37:45  <Rubidium> andythenorth: missing newline at end?
20:37:45  * andythenorth manually applies
20:37:48  <frosch123> about any std::string operation invalidates c_str
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20:38:22  <fonsinchen> That's why he's doing strdup there, right?
20:38:41  <frosch123> i guess you could also just turn "imgname" into a std::string
20:39:59  <andythenorth> Rubidium: no errors reported :)
20:40:01  <Rubidium> frosch123: only problem is that grfcodec.cpp:342 reads the whole .nfo file and makes the SpriteInfos, line 498 passes a reference (in a loop) to PrepareRea
20:40:07  <andythenorth> Iron Horse fragment compiles
20:40:18  <Rubidium> so... it shouldn't change things
20:41:04  <andythenorth> hmm
20:41:15  <andythenorth> for some reason the actual grf timestamp isn’t right
20:41:35  <frosch123> Rubidium: at line 94 there is a "inf=info"
20:41:36  <andythenorth> bit odd
20:41:51  <frosch123> so, it is implementation specific whether that shares the data, or copies it
20:42:49  <andythenorth> grf appears to work
20:42:59  <Rubidium> frosch123: oh joy...
20:43:02  <frosch123> "stricmp(inf.name.c_str(), imgname)" <- esp. that is bollocks
20:43:17  <frosch123> either they are the same pointer, or the latter is invalid
20:44:18  <Rubidium> inf ptr?
20:45:03  <frosch123> why not "imgname" as std::String?
20:46:55  <frosch123> i guess i should give the grfcodec rewrite higher priority again :p
20:47:09  <frosch123> i guess we won't convince openbsd to rewrite it for us
20:50:18  <Rubidium> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3467/ <- new diff
20:51:55  <frosch123> singlefile looks safe, so looks fine :)
20:52:52  <andythenorth> yay
20:52:58  <andythenorth> grfcodec compiles my nfo
20:53:08  <andythenorth> and my partial nml patch works
20:53:14  <andythenorth> lang is probably broken
20:53:17  <andythenorth> yeah
20:53:20  <andythenorth> (undefined string)
20:53:36  <andythenorth> and currently it’s slower overall, not faster :P
20:53:53  <andythenorth> apparently nmlc has quite an initial setup overhead per file
20:54:06  <andythenorth> even running in a multiprocessing pool
20:54:27  <andythenorth> thanks for the fix :)
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21:07:24  * andythenorth forgets how to pass a var to python :P
21:09:18  <andythenorth> figured it out
21:09:34  <andythenorth> anyone want to time an Iron Horse checkout?
21:09:45  <andythenorth> checkout / compile /s
21:09:46  <andythenorth> nvm
21:09:53  <andythenorth> not really useful
21:13:34  <luaduck> just double checking, does company_pw on the server set the default company password
21:14:04  <frosch123> no, the company creating client creates the company password
21:15:45  <andythenorth> meh
21:15:54  <andythenorth> caches are full of complications :P
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21:30:07  <andythenorth> bye
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21:46:16  <Eddi|zuHause> aw, i just wanted to tell andy that i'd rotate the station by 90°
21:48:05  <Eddi|zuHause> long road stations are useless
21:48:26  <Eddi|zuHause> they have to be wide
21:49:09  <planetmaker> except as money press. when you make them alternatingly from station tiles which belong to different far-apart stations
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21:56:53  <frosch123> night
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21:57:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i was thinking something like this: http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Unbenannt,%201.%20Jan%201925_3.png
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22:02:28  <MTsPony> does anyone here an old system lying around, preferably a P3/4 or some old athlon 64?
22:02:36  <MTsPony> if so please pm
22:02:52  <Eddi|zuHause> what do you want with that?
22:03:10  <MTsPony> I dont want it, i need to test something
22:03:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i have an athlon or something
22:04:05  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea if that is "old enough" for you
22:04:09  <MTsPony> that would be fine
22:04:13  <MTsPony> it only takes a few mins
22:04:22  <Eddi|zuHause> i would have to boot it
22:04:42  <Eddi|zuHause> which may or may not work :)
22:04:49  <MTsPony> ok :p
22:05:14  * Rubidium got an emulated s390
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22:05:42  <MTsPony> hax.
22:05:58  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:07:43  <Eddi|zuHause> while we're waiting, what kind of test?
22:08:02  <MTsPony> just an openttd binary i compiled, just need to make sure its compatibly witholder systems :P
22:08:14  <Eddi|zuHause> which OS?
22:08:24  <MTsPony> doesnt matter i think
22:08:25  <MTsPony> windows
22:08:32  <Rubidium> 64 bit windows ;)
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22:08:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i can try it in wine
22:08:55  <MTsPony> that could work, ur on linux atm?
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22:09:33  <Eddi|zuHause> for testing windows, i'd have to attach a screen, and i'm not going to do that in the middle of the night
22:09:58  <MTsPony> wine should work
22:10:16  <Eddi|zuHause> so far it didn't wake up yet :/
22:10:20  * Rubidium still wonders what kind of compatability MTsPony is talking about
22:10:45  <MTsPony> Something about not wanting to give people a segmentation fault :p lol
22:11:17  <planetmaker> MTsPony, you should get virtualbox and the proper machine from http://loc.modern.ie/de-de if you need a windows VM
22:11:32  <MTsPony> i have vmware workstation
22:11:43  <MTsPony> but it doesnt let you emulate an older CPU does it?
22:12:27  <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: i don't think this is booting
22:12:32  <MTsPony> ah ok
22:12:35  <MTsPony> thx for trying tho
22:13:31  <planetmaker> cpu might be a challange, yes
22:14:05  <MTsPony> guess bochs could work
22:14:37  <Rubidium> so, is it about SSSE3/SSE4 instructions?
22:14:41  <MTsPony> ya
22:15:08  <glx> there are ways to detect support IIRC
22:15:13  <Rubidium> then just try bochs or so
22:15:16  <MTsPony> Compiled with code path optimizing (ICC) so it should be backwards compatible, but
22:15:22  <MTsPony> you can never be sure
22:15:41  <MTsPony> guess il try that
22:15:46  <planetmaker> you tell the compiler which cpu to be minimally compatible for
22:16:08  <MTsPony> well yeah, intel documentation can be a bit confusing sometimes, or version differences lol
22:16:21  <planetmaker> gcc knows --mach directive
22:16:26  <planetmaker> --march
22:16:27  <Rubidium> though P4s are quite old already
22:17:05  <MTsPony> im using /arch for the baseline code, and QaX for the optimized code, and leaving Qx alone
22:17:16  <MTsPony> does that sound right? lol
22:17:24  <MTsPony> im not using gcc. ICC
22:17:48  <Rubidium> it's eons ago I used ICC, and then only to compile OpenTTD with default-ish settings
22:17:54  <MTsPony> ah k
22:18:26  <Rubidium> I've been quite hesistant to whack on as many optimizations as possible because they behave irradic
22:18:51  <MTsPony> Compiler general -Ox optimizations you mean?
22:19:04  <Rubidium> O2 at most
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22:19:27  <Rubidium> I've even seen O1 misbehave badly... optimizing to infinite loops
22:19:28  <MTsPony> Im not sure how much difference there is with the -Ox optimizations from intel compared to gcc
22:19:53  <MTsPony> or if its still the case that higher optimizations make openttd go wild
22:21:22  <Diablo-D3> heh -O3 is safe on x86 on any recent version of gcc.
22:21:59  <MTsPony> yeh the binary i compiled for 64-bit works pretty sweet too
22:22:11  <MTsPony> left it runnin all night, played with it, no issues or desyncs or what soever
22:24:07  <Rubidium> that's the problem... it seems to work right until one very particular bit of miscompiled/misoptimized code is executed
22:24:17  <Rubidium> Diablo-D3: I guess 4.5 is too old then ;)
22:24:38  <MTsPony> well ICC is another story again, who knows. it might do better, or worse ;)
22:25:21  <Rubidium> clang 3.2 even miscompiles with O1 in specific situations
22:26:11  <MTsPony> ugh. bochs, such an unhandy website
22:26:49  <MTsPony> cant even get to the files i need
22:27:08  <Rubidium> apt-get install bochs ;)
22:27:17  <MTsPony> lol. wind00z bruh :p
22:29:18  <MTsPony> i dont suppose bochs can run a Vmware disk easily? lol
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23:09:41  <Wienish> Hey there Tycooners :D
23:17:26  <Wienish> Don't be too enthousiastic please.
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23:18:38  <Diablo-D3> so I guess single player is boring now
23:18:42  <Diablo-D3> I got my city up to 100k
23:19:22  <Wienish> I only played single player so far..
23:19:28  <Wienish> Little bit new to open TTD
23:27:02  <LordAro> this channel tends to get quiet when switching over to America time
23:34:35  <Wienish> how do you mean?
23:49:45  <Supercheese> All the Europeans go to sleep ;)
23:50:14  <Supercheese> and I don't know the exact demographics but I believe it is a safe bet that the majority of users in this channel live in Europe
23:50:31  <Diablo-D3> yeah
23:50:38  <Diablo-D3> openttd isnt popular among americans
23:51:02  <Supercheese> Yeah, I feel alone at times :S
23:51:51  <Diablo-D3> I think Im going to soon take my vacation from openttd again
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