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06:02:15  <andythenorth> o/
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07:40:02  <planetmaker> moin
07:40:08  <planetmaker> new translators are busy it seems
07:42:32  <peter1138> hi
07:42:39  <planetmaker> o/
07:50:52  <b_jonas> \o
07:51:36  <peter1138> i don't have a patch for that
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08:26:57  <b_jonas> hmm, should I play 512x256, or 512x512?
08:27:16  <peter1138> 128x256
08:27:23  <SpComb> 2048x64
08:28:00  <peter1138> 4096x64 is doable now mind
08:28:04  <planetmaker> 2048x64 can be quite an interesting aspec ratio to use :)
08:28:45  <planetmaker> build long rail lines and trains without regret of sluggish behaviour later in the game :)
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08:29:43  <SpComb> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=41041 fixed the images
08:30:15  <b_jonas> wow, this random map seems more difficult than the one I got last time
08:30:39  <b_jonas> I'll pass and generate a new one, I don't like this one
08:38:48  <Rubidium> SpComb: but... where're the 2x2 and two tile wide long maps?
08:39:40  <SpComb> yo 2^n - 1 dawg
08:40:21  <Rubidium> 2^n-2 with freeform edges
08:47:48  <b_jonas> ok, after some changes to the terrain generation settings and newgrfs, I think I've now got a map I might like
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08:58:49  <b_jonas> also, yay, you've fixed that old annoying bug where the smoke of industries was still visible even when the industry was set transparent
08:58:52  <b_jonas> graet
08:58:57  <b_jonas> yeah, I know I skipped too many versions
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09:11:04  <Wolf01> hello
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09:13:49  <Wolf01> o/
09:13:56  <Alberth> moin!
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09:38:54  <amk> Hi all, I've been wonderign lately, if there is a way to script 'the camera' to follow any new developments? The use case would be to have it running on a separate screen to follow what is currently being build around the map
09:40:42  <Alberth> no, also do you really want to follow what 15 companies are doing?
09:41:07  <Wolf01> following everything will make you crazy, following something of interesting like industries, there's already the news ticker which you can click and go to location
09:41:13  <Alberth> viewing positions are local to a machine
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09:42:12  <Alberth> also, you can build in other windows than the main view
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09:43:53  <amk> So yeah, I was playing with a friend online, but sitting side to side, and we had extra screen available -  I popped open another client to spectate there, all zoomed out
09:44:34  <amk> but it just wasn't as interesting as it could be, so I was wondering if there could be a way to script the 'client?' to follow event (eg. new road built)
09:45:05  <amk> but I do understand your overall remarks - this might be very specific to this exact way the two of us play
09:46:17  <planetmaker> amk: no, such option does not exist nor will there exist the option to follow events. That's the best tool which there can be for griefers
09:47:54  <planetmaker> (I once had such client and it's absolute hell in what you can do with that)
09:48:08  <amk> planetmaker, okay, fair enough, I can see how this is 'dangerous'
09:48:53  <amk> planetmaker, so I guess that implies that the client doesn't have an api as such to follow these 'events'
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10:08:54  <planetmaker> there is no api at all for client-side scripting
10:09:26  <planetmaker> scripted multiplayer would basically destroy that
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14:43:17  <Michi1210> Hi guys
14:43:47  <Alberth> hi
14:44:25  <Michi1210> Can someone help me, i search the Dedicated server files for linux =(
14:46:00  <Alberth> they don't exist as binary, you'll have to build them yourself
14:46:11  <Alberth> too few people that need them
14:46:21  <Michi1210> ohh okey thx
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17:20:50  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26769 /trunk/src (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-09-06 17:20:45 UTC)
17:20:51  <DorpsGek> -Codechange [Squirrel]: remove the difference between some platforms having wchar for SQChar and others just char; always use char (and UTF-8) like in the rest of (internal) OpenTTD
17:22:12  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26770 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (sqlexer.cpp sqlexer.h) (2014-09-06 17:22:06 UTC)
17:22:13  <DorpsGek> -Fix [Squirrel]: in case SQChar is a char (previously everything non-Windows or non-Unicode, now everything), the lexer throws away the higher bytes of characters
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17:30:39  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26771 /trunk/src (13 files in 4 dirs) (2014-09-06 17:30:33 UTC)
17:30:40  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: remove OTTD2SQ and SQ2OTTD
17:33:38  <Vadtec> is anyone who compiles openttd on windows around?
17:35:53  <Rubidium> compiling yes
17:36:35  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26772 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel (7 files in 5 dirs) (2014-09-06 17:36:29 UTC)
17:36:35  <Vadtec> Rubidium: im getting some weird errors when trying to build xz
17:36:37  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup [Squirrel]: remove traces to SQUNICODE define
17:37:00  <Vadtec> give me a sec, im re-building now so i can get the exact error
17:37:09  <Rubidium> but I guess, what I can offer isn't really useful because my environment is so fracked up that it fails to link it
17:38:39  <Vadtec> Rubidium: im getting this: libtool: link: cannot find the library `/home/keith/staged/mingw32/lib/libiconv.la' or unhandled argument `/home/keith/staged/mingw32/lib/libiconv.la'
17:38:53  <Vadtec> but i cant find any references to /home/kieth anywhere
17:39:04  <Vadtec> keith i believe is one of the maintainers of xz
17:39:48  <Vadtec> should i just install libiconv myself?
17:40:40  <Vadtec> or am i missing something
17:41:16  <Rubidium> Vadtec: I guess someone messed up the release of xz
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17:41:37  <Rubidium> could you try an older version? Maybe the one mentioned in the compile manual?
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17:41:45  <Vadtec> http://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Windows_using_MinGW
17:41:53  <Vadtec> im using what was given there
17:42:37  <Vadtec> guess ill go digging for a different version
17:45:50  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26773 /trunk/src/lang (bulgarian.txt esperanto.txt) (2014-09-06 17:45:42 UTC)
17:45:51  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:52  <DorpsGek> bulgarian - 20 changes by komara
17:45:53  <DorpsGek> esperanto - 94 changes by Ryton
17:47:03  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26774 /trunk/src (34 files in 9 dirs) (2014-09-06 17:46:56 UTC)
17:47:04  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup [Squirrel]: remove _SC macro
17:49:52  <Vadtec> bleh
17:50:00  <Vadtec> even the latest version is screwed up
17:51:22  <Rubidium> or... might mingw itself be messed up
17:51:57  <Vadtec> i seriously doubt that, considering i did a fresh install this morning
17:52:03  <Rubidium> http://sourceforge.net/p/mingw/bugs/2216/
17:52:20  <Rubidium> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23637991/building-lzma-linker-errors
17:54:05  <Vadtec> Rubidium: your google-fu is stronger than mine today
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17:54:36  <Rubidium> I just googled the file name of the library
17:54:43  <Rubidium> and presto... loads of results
17:55:00  <andythenorth> orudge: fwiw, tt-forums is currently blocked on EE - contains over-18 content allegedly
17:55:03  <Vadtec> i was googling for a more specific error
17:55:13  <andythenorth> dunno if you either care or can do much ;)
17:55:14  <Rubidium> what's EE?
17:55:24  <andythenorth> UK mobile network
17:55:32  <Rubidium> openttd is blocked on Stenaline though
17:55:32  <andythenorth> T-Mobile + someone, I forget
18:00:36  <Rubidium> I guess it's the pretty boys/girls threads that caused this ;)
18:03:17  <keoz> An internet provider filtering content ? Blah ...
18:06:05  <Rubidium> as if there are many that aren't filtering some way or another
18:06:19  <Rubidium> especially mobile ones
18:07:41  <Rubidium> pet peeve of mobile ones; on my laptop I block certain images because I don't care about them, but when connected to a mobile phone network I get those images again because in all their wisdom the provider decided to fiddle with the HTML to link to their compressed images
18:08:31  <Vadtec> Rubidium: thanks for the google-fu, i was about to start banging my head against the wall
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18:10:42  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26775 /trunk/src (17 files in 6 dirs) (2014-09-06 18:10:36 UTC)
18:10:43  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup [Squirrel]: "resolve" several of the unicode wrapper defines
18:12:56  <andythenorth> also where is cat?
18:13:05  <Rubidium> with Sam
18:14:15  <andythenorth> ok
18:14:26  <andythenorth> suppose I should fix the bug with Iron Horse smoke that Alberth caused
18:15:11  <Alberth> I did what?
18:15:25  <andythenorth> you saw the smoke in the wrong place
18:15:36  <andythenorth> bug was unknown before then, therefore by observing it, you caused it to happen
18:15:38  <Alberth> but there was already a ticket about it
18:15:44  <andythenorth> oh yes :P
18:15:58  * andythenorth busted
18:16:16  <Alberth> it's ok to blame me if it makes you feel better
18:16:35  <andythenorth> well
18:16:37  <keoz> Rubidium: if my ISP had a such restrictive filtering policy as to empeach to join a site as tt-forums, I surly would search another one
18:16:59  <andythenorth> keoz: it’s nearly law now in the UK
18:17:26  <keoz> Oh ? That's sad. The net should be free.
18:17:31  <andythenorth> ha ha
18:17:41  <andythenorth> you think the tabloid newspapers are going to permit that to happen?
18:17:50  <andythenorth> as if it was ever free :P
18:18:02  <keoz> well, depending on conditions, it is more or less
18:18:12  <keoz> and having a free internet can also be a political fight
18:18:31  <keoz> (as having a free press)
18:18:43  <andythenorth> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/08/david-cameron-great-firewall
18:19:15  <keoz> The worst problem geing probably that politician often don't understand anything about the way the net works
18:19:25  <keoz> s/geing/being/
18:19:29  <andythenorth> +1
18:19:49  <andythenorth> lo Pikka
18:19:51  <andythenorth> also bob
18:19:52  <andythenorth> and pie
18:20:17  <keoz> in France, we heard a digital economy minister calling openoffice.org a firewall.
18:22:34  <andythenorth> if I had some cookies, I would give them away to people who find Iron Horse bugs
18:22:40  <andythenorth> I think there are quite a few still
18:26:31  <Alberth> I knew there was an advantage to getting blamed!
18:29:57  <Saladan1> So im looking at the top profit player in the game, and im noticing he has some truck stops next to one of his train drop off points. Its doing nothing but going back and forth but there is an obscene amount of cargo at the station.
18:30:01  <Saladan1> Anyone know how this works?
18:30:18  <Alberth> game mechanics
18:30:31  <Alberth> vehicle visiting often gives high rating
18:31:03  <andythenorth> piglet
18:31:37  <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=56649
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18:41:22  * andythenorth could use a brave assistant
18:41:30  <andythenorth> to report which Iron Horse engines actually have smoke wrong
18:42:12  <Alberth> :o
18:43:27  <andythenorth> can do it myself, but meh
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19:12:37  * andythenorth had better do it then :)
19:18:52  <andythenorth> bah
19:19:12  <andythenorth> the electro-diesel should probably use the correct effect on eletric / non-electric tracks :)
19:20:39  <Alberth> :)
19:21:03  <Alberth> cookie for andy
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19:25:27  <andythenorth> frosch123: so
.updated NML specs? o_O
19:25:32  <andythenorth> you had them in draft?
19:28:16  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26776 /trunk/src/script (squirrel.cpp squirrel_std.cpp) (2014-09-06 19:28:09 UTC)
19:28:17  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: use safe string functions in script/squirrel*.cpp
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19:32:10  <appgreidd> hi
19:32:55  <appgreidd> a somewhat dumb question perhaps but, is there any possibility to manually set which cargo gets unloaded and which doesn't
19:34:21  <andythenorth> no
19:34:29  <andythenorth> not a dumb question
19:35:39  <appgreidd> at the moment, since the station doesn't accept wood (but it will be picked up by another train), it will just unload and load the same cargo again
19:37:49  <Zuu> You can set it to "no load"
19:38:13  <Zuu> Eg. unload, but do't take cargo.
19:38:13  <appgreidd> but I want it to take passengers and goods
19:38:38  <Zuu> Enable cargodist
19:39:00  <appgreidd> read about cargodist, will try to find where I can enable it now
19:39:01  <Zuu> And let it take care of transfering
19:39:07  <andythenorth> sometimes it would be nice to route cargos specificall
19:39:12  <andythenorth> specifically *
19:39:17  <andythenorth> probably a faff
19:39:53  <appgreidd> I like the micromanaging myself but now I'm just trying to get it to work in any way
19:40:23  <Zuu> The OpenTTD way is often, use separate trains, get more trains, build complex rail network :-)
19:41:19  <appgreidd> but it's often suboptimal :P
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19:43:29  <appgreidd> I'm seeing "cargo distribution" under advanced settings, it means cargodist is active I guess?
19:45:12  <andythenorth> depends on the settings
19:48:29  <Supercheese> "Manual" distribution = cargodist is off
19:48:51  <appgreidd> oh
19:48:53  <appgreidd> thanks
19:51:00  <appgreidd> cool, it seems to have worked, thanks
19:54:41  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26777 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel (14 files in 2 dirs) (2014-09-06 19:54:35 UTC)
19:54:42  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: use safe string functions in squirrel code as well, and prevent using the ones that are deemed unsafe
19:57:08  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26778 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel (5 files) (2014-09-06 19:57:01 UTC)
19:57:09  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: remove pointless rsl macro
20:00:55  <frosch123> night
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20:05:13  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26779 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/include (7 files) (2014-09-06 20:05:07 UTC)
20:05:14  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup [Squirrel]: remove extern "C" statements; we won't be exporting things to C from our squirrel
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20:11:06  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26780 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/include (7 files) (2014-09-06 20:11:00 UTC)
20:11:07  <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: remove unused SQUIRREL_API macro
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20:20:40  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26781 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel (16 files in 4 dirs) (2014-09-06 20:20:35 UTC)
20:20:41  <DorpsGek> -Codechange [Squirrel]: remove includes/definitions that are already in stdafx.h
20:23:05  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26782 /trunk/src/script (3 files) (2014-09-06 20:22:59 UTC)
20:23:06  <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26781): was in the wrong folder when commiting
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20:34:53  <andythenorth> doomed
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20:38:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26783 trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqbaselib.cpp (2014-09-06 20:38:39 UTC)
20:38:46  <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26781): removed one include too many
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21:24:22  <Wolf01> 'night
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