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07:02:44  <Pokka> yebbut
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07:03:35  <V453000> nowai
07:04:20  <planetmaker> good mourning
07:04:57  <Supercheese> o rly
07:05:32  <planetmaker> future will tell :)
07:06:21  <V453000> MOARning
07:09:16  <Supercheese> So... ISO code "la" or "la_VA"?
07:10:32  <planetmaker> call it la_VA, I guess
07:11:04  <planetmaker> teh pope hath spokenth
07:11:14  <planetmaker> ;)
07:12:05  <Supercheese> I also do not know what winlangid/grflangid to use, I've just been borrowing another language's temporarily for testing
07:12:45  <Supercheese> I presume a new one will be assigned
07:12:58  <V453000> lol
07:13:25  <planetmaker> that's a good question about the winlangid
07:13:41  <planetmaker> grflangid is something which we make up, winlangid... usually not
07:13:46  <Supercheese> hmm
07:13:58  <Supercheese> whence cometh it?
07:14:26  <planetmaker> upon commit of the lang file, the grflangid is assigned
07:15:18  <Supercheese> oh http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms776294.aspx
07:15:44  <planetmaker> yes, those are the winlangids
07:16:10  <Supercheese> no Latin, unsurprisingly
07:16:40  <planetmaker> you could ask microsoft :)
07:16:59  * Supercheese will check Reddit's translation first
07:19:08  <Supercheese> bah, nothing
07:20:29  <planetmaker> http://www.science.co.il/Language/Locale-codes.asp <-- that gives winlangid of 0x0476 for latin
07:21:22  <planetmaker> and it references, italian, german and english (BE) correctly
07:21:55  <Supercheese> nice
07:26:27  <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action4 <-- has the authorative list of grflangids (except maybe source code of openttd)
07:26:40  <planetmaker> that might be more authorative :P
07:26:44  <Supercheese> naturally
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07:43:04  <andythenorth> boin
07:43:09  <Pikka> si
07:43:16  <andythenorth> oui
07:43:35  <andythenorth> BAD FEATURES are a BAD FEATURE
07:43:45  <Pikka> only sometimes
07:44:07  <andythenorth> in forum threads
07:44:18  <andythenorth> also how is NARSELES
07:44:28  <Pikka> same as it was
07:44:32  <Pikka> waiting to hear from dan
07:45:00  <andythenorth> I am hoping he draws me a truck
07:45:20  <Pikka> also, see
07:45:26  <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=181155
07:45:36  <Pikka> if whatever this locomotive is hauled whatever that wagon is
07:45:39  <Pikka> it would be an abomination
07:45:45  <Pikka> and abomination trumps bad feature
07:46:41  <Pikka> I'm thinking of moving on to trucks
07:46:43  <Pikka> or houses
07:46:52  <Pikka> I'm trying to get enthusiastic about ships but it's not working
07:46:52  <andythenorth> apple trucks
07:46:55  <andythenorth> ships are meh
07:47:10  <Pikka> especially if you have to model them
07:47:19  <andythenorth> drawing them is worse
07:47:22  <andythenorth> lego ships are fun
07:47:30  <andythenorth> maybe build them in lego, and then render them :P
07:47:35  <Pikka> k
07:48:37  <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/road-hog/repository/entry/src/graphics/broadrock_0.png
07:48:42  <andythenorth> ^ need to finish that :P
07:48:52  <liq3> now i'm curious what a LEGO train set would look like
07:48:53  <andythenorth> buy menu version is about done, but the bonnet is all wrong
07:49:00  <andythenorth> liq3: just look on the internet
07:49:17  <andythenorth> http://shop.lego.com/en-GB/Trains-ByTheme
07:49:24  <liq3> I mean't in OpenTTD :P
07:49:43  <andythenorth> there was a brickland project to replace toyland
07:50:02  <liq3> I wonder how Lego trains compare to train set trains....
07:50:10  <liq3> erm, model trains.*
07:50:20  <Pikka> it was pre-extra-zoom iirc
07:50:21  <andythenorth> dimensions are compressed
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07:50:28  <Pikka> you could do a better brickland set now
07:50:30  <Pikka> if you wanted to
07:50:48  <andythenorth> from my soapbox, more newgrfs would be more better
07:51:06  <andythenorth> if they were drawn with the same attitude to reality as lego toys have
07:51:25  <andythenorth> compressed scale, over-emphasised greeble, limited colour palette
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07:52:15  <andythenorth> but one thing about foamers is, they’re not very happy with unrealisms
07:52:30  <andythenorth> like their brain has a 1:1 with their eyes, and no capacity for imaginisms
07:53:31  * andythenorth off soapbox
07:54:04  <andythenorth> there is a funny subculture of lego foamers also
07:54:12  <andythenorth> trying to build 1:1 accurate models with lego
07:54:38  <Supercheese> only to have it fall apart, wasting months of effort
07:54:43  <Supercheese> ?
07:56:06  <andythenorth> see this is really impressive, but also kind of boring https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelgale/15266662340/in/pool-1281622@N20
07:57:51  <andythenorth> all of this, seriously impressive https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelgale/
07:57:59  <andythenorth> but you’re not going to want to crash it, are you?
07:59:26  <andythenorth> this guy is Australian, and he seems to have a lot more fun, more toylike https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_stannard/sets/72157612234461500/
08:00:46  <Supercheese> there sure are more round LEGO pieces than I recall when I was a kid
08:01:17  <Supercheese> I don't remember having large cylindrical pieces
08:01:34  <andythenorth> there is now an amazing array of pieces
08:01:44  <andythenorth> and no, there are not many ‘it’s all just one big piece’ pieces
08:02:04  <andythenorth> which is the lego equivalent of ‘we all used to leave our doors unlocked'
08:02:17  <V453000> the old yeti had too many features
08:02:20  <V453000> must cut them down
08:02:25  <andythenorth> BAD FEATURES
08:02:39  <andythenorth> one thing flickr videos never do
08:02:40  <andythenorth> work
08:02:43  <Supercheese> featurecide
08:02:48  <Supercheese> featureslaughter
08:03:32  <andythenorth> https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/15097651796/
08:03:47  <andythenorth> I cut the video just before child #1 bimbled onto the track, then sat down on the train
08:04:43  <andythenorth> such trucks https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/14016825181/
08:04:52  <andythenorth> should put that in Road Hog
08:05:05  <andythenorth> shame Lego isn’t dimetric
08:05:17  <Supercheese> Porcus Viae
08:05:30  <andythenorth> ho, reduced passenger capacity https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/9451693236/
08:05:35  <andythenorth> count the seats
08:06:04  <planetmaker> unrealistic!
08:06:44  <liq3> andythenorth: lol is there 4 seats?
08:06:48  <andythenorth> 8
08:06:53  <andythenorth> bi-level
08:07:05  <andythenorth> 10 even
08:07:08  <andythenorth> 6 on lower level
08:08:01  <andythenorth> also
08:08:02  <andythenorth> beebul
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08:09:22  <Supercheese> Now wait a cotton pickin' second... the Cargodist helptexts do have trailing punctuation
08:09:34  <Supercheese> while no other Advanced Setting helptext has
08:10:22  <Supercheese> if it were up to me, I would stick punctuation at the end of every helptext...
08:11:13  <Supercheese> I can understand why hover tooltips do not have punctuation, since they are popups
08:11:27  <Supercheese> but the settings descriptions should IMO
08:13:31  <planetmaker> I suggest to discuss that informally in European evening when more are around :)
08:14:18  <Supercheese> Hmm, I suspect that's when I am asleep
08:14:28  <Supercheese> what with GMT -7
08:14:49  <Supercheese> err, asleep/at university
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08:22:17  <planetmaker> well, I suggest in 8..12 hours. Dunno what that amounts to you time zone :)
08:22:34  <planetmaker> I'm personally +- 0 on the punctuation change
08:26:02  <Supercheese> To be certain it is a minor, minor issue
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08:26:37  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's a full sentence, it should have punctuation at the end...
08:27:21  <Supercheese> Unless it's a popup tooltip?
08:27:31  <Eddi|zuHause> no
08:27:56  <Supercheese> all righty then
08:31:35  <Supercheese> Uh oh, another typo
08:32:11  <Supercheese> Someone accidentally a noun
08:37:23  <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't work :)
08:41:51  <planetmaker> :)
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08:58:27  <Supercheese> ~;
08:58:33  <Supercheese> whoops
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10:00:36  <argoneus> good morning, train friends
10:06:12  <__ln__> http://imgur.com/6NMUjOA
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10:27:45  <V453000> YETI with less features =D https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI_04.png
10:29:34  <__ln__> *fewer
10:29:58  <V453000> LESS
10:31:48  <__ln__> LASER
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10:33:02  <V453000> ok you win
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10:36:16  <planetmaker> buh. The previous yeti looked nicer
10:36:26  <V453000> thiz one is happier
10:36:39  <V453000> and will be better visible in the fewpx scales :P
10:36:42  <planetmaker> I care shit how happy they are. The other one is cuter ;)
10:36:51  <planetmaker> :P
10:37:21  <V453000> hm :D
10:37:46  <planetmaker> this one looks rather icon-ized. Android-like
10:38:09  <V453000> true, cant be green :D
10:38:29  <planetmaker> not only by colour. Also by shape, imho
10:38:40  <planetmaker> though of course the green emphasizes it
10:39:30  <planetmaker> but dunno, how do they old and the new one look in 'real size', thus at OpenTTD scale in the sprites?
10:39:40  <planetmaker> that would be the true thing I'd need to see to actually judge it
10:40:06  <V453000> true :) but they are not very large, so the difference isnt major :P
10:40:14  <planetmaker> I might reverse my opinion then, but not at this scale :)
10:41:59  <V453000> will see
10:42:07  <V453000> will probably try the smaller one first :)
10:43:40  <planetmaker> what about also creating the real scale for actual comparison. Would make it easier.
10:44:01  <planetmaker> Use one test setup where a yeti shows and render that for openttd. A small one, maybe two tiles
10:44:14  <planetmaker> with two yeti or so. front view, side view
10:44:17  <V453000> sure sure :P
10:44:44  <planetmaker> actually... you had one. The one in the chaos
10:44:49  <planetmaker> render that to correct size :)
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11:04:01  <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI_05.png
11:13:22  <b_jonas> and render it in multiple sizes maybe
11:14:38  <planetmaker> got the previous version for comparison, V453000 ?
11:15:00  <planetmaker> Here, I'd increase the size of the eyes. They want to see stuff *very* accurately ;)
11:15:21  <planetmaker> oh, lol. I missed the old one :D
11:15:26  <planetmaker> camouflage colour :D
11:16:48  <planetmaker> V453000, what about doubling the head size on the old ones?
11:17:53  <Pikka> I was about to suggest that :)
11:18:12  <Pikka> old yeti with new yeti proportions
11:18:28  <Pikka> capitalism with yeti characteristics
11:18:41  <planetmaker> :)
11:19:33  <Eddi|zuHause> the "new" yeti looks very plastic...
11:19:49  <V453000> XD
11:19:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i definitely prefer the old one
11:20:18  <Eddi|zuHause> not that i'm likely to ever use YETI :p
11:20:58  <V453000> well with different texture it will be less so, though I am not sure how natural texture they will get :)
11:21:46  <Eddi|zuHause> not only the texture, also the spread out arms are weird
11:22:13  <V453000> those are obviously going to change when it gets movable
11:22:53  <V453000> btw eddi hates industry sets or? :D
11:23:10  <Eddi|zuHause> not really
11:24:39  <V453000> then why never ever use yeti? :P
11:28:02  <Eddi|zuHause> simple estimate over amount of choice vs. amount of actual play time :p
11:28:47  <V453000> XD
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12:28:49  <fjb> Moin
12:31:13  <argoneus> o/
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13:41:49  <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI_07_2C.png =D
13:44:18  <SpComb> is this the new 64bpp openttd experience
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13:45:47  <V453000> 32?
13:45:49  <Pikka> splendid
13:46:22  <Pikka> 64bpp
13:46:52  <Pikka> red, green, blue, alpha, depth, flavour, style, and badfeaturosity
13:47:03  <SpComb> it's what all the cool kids use
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14:02:40  <planetmaker> :)
14:04:53  <planetmaker> that vegi farm looks marvelous. I don't dare imagine how it loos with animated yetis
14:05:00  <planetmaker> *looks
14:05:11  <planetmaker> though maybe the yeti loo there :P
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14:13:12  <Pikka> ugh
14:13:18  <Pikka> goodnight and custard
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14:18:31  <V453000> rigging naow
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14:23:02  <b_jonas> Pinkbeast: no no, 16 bits each of alpha, red, green, blue
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14:32:43  <Eddi|zuHause> more indistinguishable colours than ever!
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14:59:13  <peter1138> Let's revamp the CC system!
14:59:25  <peter1138> Hue-shifted cColour im
14:59:27  <peter1138> ...
14:59:32  <peter1138> Hue-shifted colour image :p
15:01:23  <V453000> would be nice :(
15:01:34  <peter1138> lies
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16:03:23  <frosch123> V453000: your yeti have too few and too small teeth
16:03:46  <V453000> they look fine to me
16:03:55  <V453000> in fact cartoony teeth fit better than real teeth would
16:04:13  <frosch123> https://www.plycoco.de/images/blog/zu_spaet_das_zahnmonster.jpg <- none like that?
16:04:23  <frosch123> http://stueck-heimat.de/StueckHeimat/zuhause_ZAHNMONSTER_A3_2_files/Zahnmonster-Kinder-03.jpg <- or that?
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16:04:42  <planetmaker> hi hi
16:04:45  <V453000> nay
16:04:46  <Alberth> o/
16:04:54  <V453000> btw at the level of zoom, teeth are barely visible :P
16:05:01  <planetmaker> FreeZeee, the first might be, but I don't think yeti are carnivores
16:05:11  <frosch123> V453000: that's why i said they are too small :p
16:05:25  <V453000> thats fine :)
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16:08:00  <Eddi|zuHause> yetis should obviously be omnivores
16:09:22  <frosch123> and they are only delivered on saturdays?
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16:19:52  <planetmaker> V453000, you should show Alberth the new image of the vegi farm :)
16:20:14  <V453000> .. :D
16:20:14  <V453000>  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/YETI_07_2C.png =D
16:21:17  <Alberth> spiffy!
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16:34:58  <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r26978 trunk/src/saveload/game_sl.cpp (2014-10-08 16:34:52 UTC)
16:34:59  <DorpsGek> -Fix (r23609): Typo in game script warning message.
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16:54:51  <Eddi|zuHause> "OpenBSD fixes a bug that was reported 37 years ago, with a fix that was sent in 22 years ago"
16:55:02  <Alberth> :)
16:55:52  <Alberth> somewhat surprising the bug is still valid after so long :)
16:56:09  <Eddi|zuHause> who ever changes a program like "head"?
16:56:11  <frosch123> how was it called back then? not openbsd i assume?
16:56:26  <Eddi|zuHause> http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/head/head.c?rev=1.18&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
16:59:19  <Eddi|zuHause> "a burning freighter carrying nuclear waste drifts towards an oil rig"... what could possibly go wrong
17:01:58  <frosch123> maybe they used asbestos in the compartment houses
17:02:34  <frosch123> s/houses/cabins/ or something
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17:04:57  <peter1138> Bah, where's the diff.
17:06:15  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea
17:06:24  <peter1138> http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/usr.bin/head/head.c.diff?r1=1.17&r2=1.18
17:07:08  <frosch123> they changed it twice in two days?
17:09:21  <frosch123> damn decompressing 300 savegames takes a while
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17:11:33  <Eddi|zuHause> get a faster disk
17:15:38  <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: Hmm, I thought my fix from 8 years ago that was committed last month to FreeBSD was ancient, but this is even better ;-p
17:18:13  <frosch123> why has kdiff3 issues with diffing files of 800k lines?
17:24:25  <Alberth> too many similar lines?
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17:35:40  <frosch123> @calc 0x288c81d / 1024
17:35:40  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 41522.0283203
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17:44:58  <frosch123> @calc (0x7c74 - 0x3c6b) / 74
17:44:58  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 221.527027027
17:45:22  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26979 trunk/src/lang/english_US.txt (2014-10-08 17:45:15 UTC)
17:45:23  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:24  <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Supercheese
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17:46:05  <frosch123> @calc (0x747c - 0x6b3c) / 74
17:46:06  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 32
17:46:15  <planetmaker> one month
17:46:16  <frosch123> why are ottd saves big endian? :p
17:46:36  <planetmaker> change it :)
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18:09:21  <planetmaker> luaduck, the result from the desync data is a bit inconclusive. It will need more... and knowledge of the operating system and openttd version of the person who desynced
18:12:30  <planetmaker> version as in win32 or win64 or such
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18:23:33  <andythenorth> o/
18:23:44  <Rubidium> oi
18:29:33  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26980 /branches/1.4 (7 files in 4 dirs) (2014-10-08 18:29:27 UTC)
18:29:34  <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation
18:31:00  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26981 /tags/1.4.4-RC1 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-10-08 18:30:54 UTC)
18:31:01  <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.4.4-RC1
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18:39:15  <Wolf01> hello
18:40:11  <planetmaker> woof woof :)
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18:47:05  <Supercheese> bau bau
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19:24:42  <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.3, 1.4.4-RC1
19:24:42  *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.3, 1.4.4-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices
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19:40:50  <NGC3982> Hi.
19:45:04  <andythenorth> can scenario developers change newgrfs or newgrf parameters?
19:45:06  * andythenorth thought not
19:45:33  <andythenorth> wondering how to help romazoon http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=44177&start=1060
19:54:23  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
19:56:01  <andythenorth> I’m not sure FIRS should be replicating ottd settings though
19:56:05  <andythenorth> usually a wrong pattern
19:56:08  <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't know what he's saying. both player funding and automatic creation are setting
19:56:20  <andythenorth> he can’t change them
19:56:29  <Eddi|zuHause> although automatic creation cannot be changed after game start
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20:08:48  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:58:27  <frosch123> night
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21:53:18  <andythenorth> big gui is so awesome
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