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00:08:12 *** Taede [~Taede@2.222.8.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:50 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 01:11:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:39 <argoneus> good night train friends 02:05:32 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-23-62.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:10:21 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:36:13 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-23-62.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:53 *** SHOTbyGUN [~shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:35 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.222.2.207] has joined #openttd 03:04:03 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:07 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [] 03:10:52 *** MTsPony [~MTsPony@008-086-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 03:31:49 *** shirish_ [~quassel@117.222.2.207] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:26 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.22.25.55.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:58 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:29 *** fjb is now known as Guest150 04:28:30 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:35:32 *** Guest150 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:53:00 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:54:21 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:59:47 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:43:51 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:35 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 05:46:03 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50:05 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 05:51:46 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:22 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 05:56:00 *** supermop [~supermop@203-219-246-63.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5B91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:05 <supermop> yo 05:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5313.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:58:25 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:43 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:08:39 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has left #openttd [] 06:08:56 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:09:08 <Flygon> ftr 06:09:28 <Flygon> Yes, that does mean the Sydney M-sets do run Windows 2k as their computer OS 06:09:35 <Flygon> Now we just need to load OTTD onto it 06:09:38 <Flygon> And play it on a train 06:09:39 <Flygon> :B 06:09:51 <Flygon> Stuffed my client up 06:09:52 <Flygon> <_> 06:12:16 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 06:32:46 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:34:52 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:39:36 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:28 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:33 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:42:26 <Pikkaphone> I heard you like trains 06:42:50 <Pikkaphone> so we put some trains on your train 06:43:34 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:45:34 <supermop> here i am wearing shades as i read irc 06:45:44 <supermop> because my glasses broke... 06:45:50 <Sylf> YETI has ballooned to over 500MB... 06:46:59 <V453000> XD 06:47:05 <V453000> lol 06:47:12 <V453000> just 5X? 06:47:37 <V453000> fat slug 07:11:02 <Pikkaphone> yeti is a little ridiculous. :) 07:14:03 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:50 <V453000> NO! :D 07:16:58 <V453000> how dare you say that Pikka 07:17:17 <Pikkaphone> Oh I dare 07:19:02 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:19:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:20:42 <Pikkaphone> is the yeti workers version out yet? 07:21:01 <Pikkaphone> is that why it's 500mb? 07:23:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 07:24:30 <Alberth> yetis have been working very hard, collecting lots of bits 07:27:32 <V453000> no, just an extra industry Pikkaphone 07:27:41 <V453000> 8x4-ish with a lot of animation 07:27:46 <V453000> equals shitload of size apparently 07:28:19 <V453000> some yeti workers were added but not many 07:28:37 <V453000> they shouldnt increase the filesize drastically anyway 07:28:46 <Pikkaphone> what is the new industry? 07:30:52 <V453000> trading merchant 07:30:56 <V453000> between building materials and food 07:31:04 <V453000> well, bdmt -> food, not the other way around :) 07:31:20 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti/wiki/Previews 07:32:19 <Pikkaphone> kraken merchant? 07:32:48 <V453000> well it isnt kraken anymore :D but yes 07:32:54 <Pikkaphone> do bdmt and food do different things? 07:33:24 <V453000> a bit 07:33:29 <V453000> food increases production of yetis 07:33:35 <V453000> bdmt doubles that bonus 07:33:51 <V453000> but if you deliver only bdmt and no food, bdmt isnt even processed 07:34:01 <V453000> you need about 5 times more food than bdmt :) 07:36:31 <V453000> currently it does not really matter which way you choose - making more food just by sending more yetis to the farms, or by trading at the merchant, later trading should be more efficient 07:36:39 <V453000> will see 07:42:51 <Pikkaphone> still a little ridiculous :) 07:45:13 <V453000> xd 07:49:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:50:10 <V453000> tha refinery needs MORE pipes 07:50:13 <V453000> doing immediately 07:50:27 <V453000> got a pipefixing yeti, need him to get more work 07:50:37 <V453000> no slackin 07:54:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C9B3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:52 <Pikkaphone> no slack in the pipes? 08:20:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1904C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:24:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:26:06 <V453000> no slack 08:26:11 <V453000> how is Pikkaphone progressing with his shit? 08:28:31 <peter1138> Sounds like a matter for pikka and the bowl. 08:33:02 <V453000> NO 08:36:13 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220149.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:36:35 <Pikkaphone> shittily 08:36:48 <Pikkaphone> actually, I finished uni last week 08:37:07 <Pikkaphone> and am starting a big project next week 08:37:27 <Pikkaphone> so any newgrfing is going to have to happen this week. 08:43:06 *** supermop [~supermop@203-219-246-63.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:16 <V453000> :D 08:45:37 <V453000> sounds nice enough 08:48:03 <Pikkaphone> if Dan would get back to me with sprites it would be 08:48:34 <V453000> mhm :) 08:55:52 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has joined #openttd 08:59:02 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:19:56 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #openttd 09:20:15 <TomyLobo> hi 09:21:17 <TomyLobo> a while ago i asked for a way to migrate trains to monorail/maglev without doing everything at once 09:21:35 <TomyLobo> someone recommended nutracks 09:21:51 <TomyLobo> i just tried that and it merely introduces new rail types with varying speed limits 09:22:36 <peter1138> universal railtype 09:24:14 <TomyLobo> nice, exactly what i want 09:24:16 <TomyLobo> thanks a lot 09:26:16 *** Taede [~Taede@2.222.8.97] has joined #openttd 09:31:28 <V453000> am going to try to model my first steamer 09:31:36 <V453000> how many times will I shit pants Pikkaphone ? 09:31:49 <V453000> it looks complex 09:35:16 *** Taede [~Taede@2.222.8.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:12 *** Taede [~Taede@2.222.8.97] has joined #openttd 09:58:18 *** Dakkus [dakkus@taimen.sr2.fi] has joined #openttd 09:58:22 <Dakkus> Hi peoples! 09:58:43 <Dakkus> Is there any generic way of recognizing a small aircraft? 09:59:06 <Dakkus> I'm playing with av9 and the usual list of course doesn't apply to it as the planes are not the same. 09:59:11 <__ln__> it doesn't flap its wings 09:59:47 <Dakkus> So... An albatross is a small aircraft but an MD-83 isn't? 10:00:26 <Dakkus> How about in OpenTTD? ;) 10:00:32 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:30 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:d04f:189b:d8fd:39bc] has joined #openttd 10:06:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:20:23 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220149.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22:45 <Pikkaphone> V: depends how "realistic" you're going to get. It doesn't have to be that complex. 10:24:15 <Pikkaphone> Dakkus: in av9, jets are big and non-jets are small. You could set a different livery colour for small aircraft if you can't tell? 10:27:02 <Dakkus> Pikkaphone: Ah, read about that livery idea but didn't get it. Now I did. Thanks! 10:29:34 <Dakkus> Okey-dokey. My small airplanes now have red engines. Thanks again :) 10:45:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008dc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:06 <peter1138> ah, bad features, huh? 10:47:11 <Pikkaphone> V: are your locos going to be yeti dude ride ons? 10:47:22 <Pikkaphone> where, peeta? 10:47:30 <peter1138> liveries :p 10:47:44 <argoneus> good morning train friends 10:48:15 <Pikkaphone> different colors for different vehicle types? olde openttd feature. 10:48:29 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:30 <peter1138> olde bad feature 10:48:46 <Pikkaphone> is it bad? 10:48:52 <peter1138> surely 10:49:01 <Pikkaphone> I like it 10:49:10 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:49:52 <peter1138> Was 16 railtypes too low? Cos I had a patch to make it 32... 10:50:03 <Pikkaphone> far too high 10:50:05 <peter1138> I'm sure that's bad too. 10:50:10 <Pikkaphone> 4 is plenty 10:51:11 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:24 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:42 <TomyLobo> peter1138 better would be a patch to combine rail types in a square :) 10:53:45 <TomyLobo> at least two of them 10:54:07 <TomyLobo> s/square/tile/ 10:55:39 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE23E06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:00 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:56:20 <frosch123> peter1138: cets has 60 items in the rail translation table. compare that with its 54 items in the cargo translation table 10:56:52 <frosch123> so, considering that we have at max 32 cargos, i guess we need at least 64 track types 10:57:44 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:59 <frosch123> of course that requires a searchable and filterable railtype menu 10:59:31 <frosch123> ideally newgrf could define 16 dropdown boxes to select from different underlays, gauges, weights, and electrification systems 11:00:29 <Pikkaphone> stop that ridiculous "realism" at once. 11:02:52 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:49 <V453000> Pikkaphone: no, NUTS :) 11:04:19 <Pikkaphone> they could still have yeti dude drivers. :) 11:04:35 <V453000> those are probably too bigz :) 11:04:48 <Pikkaphone> Psh 11:05:15 <frosch123> maybe they are smaller after they worked 11:05:46 <V453000> animal express will have yeti drivers 11:06:02 <frosch123> i see, yetis riding on slugs 11:06:17 <frosch123> be careful about bridges and tunnels :) 11:08:06 <frosch123> i like how sylf deduces the acceleration model from a station layout :) 11:10:09 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, in steam, how can i view what the last popup message was? they always disappear before i can read them... 11:10:25 <frosch123> alt+f4 11:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't work... :/ 11:21:17 <Rubidium_> ### Eclipse Workspace Patch 1.0 11:21:17 <Rubidium_> #P USH 11:21:17 <Rubidium_> Index: source/server/com/eurailscout/ush/server/USHServerImpl.java 11:21:17 <Rubidium_> =================================================================== 11:21:17 <Rubidium_> --- source/server/com/eurailscout/ush/server/USHServerImpl.java (revision 1145) 11:21:19 <Rubidium_> +++ source/server/com/eurailscout/ush/server/USHServerImpl.java (working copy) 11:21:22 <Rubidium_> @@ -13,7 +13,6 @@ 11:21:24 <Rubidium_> import java.rmi.RemoteException; 11:21:27 <Rubidium_> import java.sql.SQLException; 11:21:29 <Rubidium_> import java.util.ArrayList; 11:21:32 <Rubidium_> -import java.util.Arrays; 11:21:34 <Rubidium_> import java.util.Collections; 11:21:37 <Rubidium_> import java.util.Comparator; 11:21:37 <frosch123> @ban Rubidium_ 11:21:39 <Rubidium_> import java.util.Date; 11:21:42 <Rubidium_> @@ -353,9 +352,16 @@ 11:21:44 <Rubidium_> return this.covurServerWrapper; 11:21:47 <Rubidium_> } 11:21:49 <frosch123> @mode +q Rubidium_ 11:21:49 <Rubidium_> 11:21:52 *** mode/#openttd [+q Rubidium_!*@*] by DorpsGek 11:21:58 <frosch123> wrong mouse button :) 11:25:05 *** Pikkaphone [~yaaic@203-206-161-219.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:32 *** Rubidium_ [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has left #openttd [] 11:25:44 *** Rubidium_ [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:07 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.55] has joined #openttd 11:36:47 <andythenorth_> Lo 11:37:31 <frosch123> hi 11:37:45 <V453000> him 11:41:09 <peter1138> andythenorth_, alright I'm stumped, how do I get OS X on this? :S 11:41:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1904C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:48 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:14 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.55] has joined #openttd 11:59:02 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:59 <frosch123> Alberth: can you read pickle output? :p 12:15:05 <Alberth> no 12:15:21 <Alberth> convert to JSON ? 12:15:34 <frosch123> somehow, if i pickle the parser output of a 120k nml file, it results in 570k pickle data 12:16:24 <Alberth> trees are bigger than input text :) 12:17:17 <Alberth> pickle is not recommend in general, it's python version specific and insecure 12:17:37 <frosch123> well, but it can store and recreate any classes 12:17:55 <frosch123> with json i think i would be limited to plain dict and list 12:18:13 <Alberth> I think so too, unless you do more work 12:21:32 <frosch123> ah, i see, it pickles half of nml source :p 12:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i use pickle for temporary storage, but it's probably not useful for transferring data 12:48:47 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 12:50:40 <__ln__> https://narf-archive.com/pix/089123a3e2983e126643f52e7a4dfcfd23bad2b7.jpeg (sfw) 12:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: now imagine someone in 50 years digging out the first iphone presentation 12:53:24 *** SHOTbyGUN [shotbygun@213-186-253-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:07 <Wolf01> hi hi 13:01:03 <__ln__> by then the iPhone has probably become a two-dimensional object, while they keep innovating it 0.1 mm thinner every year. 13:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think in 50 years they won't have anything in their hands anymore... 13:04:47 <Wolf01> but it will keep the same volume, if you noticed the last iphones were thinner but larger, with a bidimensional iphone they will wrap the entire Earth 13:05:17 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 13:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> that may be possible, but it will ultimately mean that it will disappear again from the landscape, when a new quantum leap happens 13:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> like when nokia missed the quantum leap to smartphones 13:20:44 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:40 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@2601:9:1180:b9c:f16d:3c7a:3ff5:b6bc] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:58 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 13:35:18 *** Headbang [~hasd@mrminecraft.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 14:04:57 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-147-178-81.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:21:03 <peter1138> Why do the forums look like ass on a mobile browser? 14:21:18 <V453000> pink? 14:21:32 <peter1138> Apparently random font sizes. 14:23:33 <V453000> :D 14:23:55 *** Brumi_ [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 14:25:38 <Wolf01> the web is not for mobile, mobile should have apps for everything or dedicated web versions, but that mean to rool back to early Y2K 14:25:47 <Wolf01> *roll 14:26:12 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:26:37 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:10 <Wolf01> and my coworker still think that responsive web designs are the right thing... just because it's nice to see a structure which changes when you resize the window 14:30:00 <Wolf01> I think that is useless to load 800Kb of javascript to handle all that on a mobile devicce which is not resizable 14:30:20 <Wolf01> 800Kb minified and compressed 14:31:39 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:57 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:16 *** George|2 [~George@185.43.94.91] has joined #openttd 15:05:16 *** George is now known as Guest189 15:05:16 *** George|2 is now known as George 15:10:37 *** Guest189 [~George@185.43.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:19 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:20 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:26:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:02 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:44 *** looptrooper [looptroope@2a02:8071:683:7b01:84a9:f56c:6965:6310] has joined #openttd 15:42:02 *** Brumi_ [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:29 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:43 <Jinassi> nabend, Vinnie, how did it go yesterday? I missed the whole show on reddit server1. 17:01:21 <Jinassi> or peter1138, surely you have tried something 17:05:38 <V453000> ? :D 17:19:20 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AF8D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:20:09 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:45 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:56 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27053 /trunk/src/lang (latin.txt vietnamese.txt) (2014-11-02 17:46:34 UTC) 17:46:44 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:45 <DorpsGek> latin - 2 changes by Supercheese 17:46:46 <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 145 changes by nglekhoi 17:47:53 <peter1138> Vinnie? heh 17:48:16 <peter1138> Jinassi, I guess it was destroyed or something, the company wasn't there later. 17:48:23 <peter1138> But disasters are on, so... 17:50:26 <V453000> I AM REALSTIC AS FUCK 17:50:28 <V453000> MODELING BR82 17:50:58 <V453000> am almost spraching german 17:55:17 *** headbang [~hasd@openttd.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:44 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:04 *** itsatacoshop247 [~itsatacos@c-76-102-167-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:59 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:04 <andythenorth> Lo 18:09:07 <andythenorth> Slow day 18:09:30 <peter1138> andythenorth I can't OS X :( 18:11:14 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.216] has joined #openttd 18:12:19 <Alberth> hi hi 18:12:51 <V453000> yo andythenorth, NUTS will be realistic 18:12:54 <V453000> wat u sez 18:13:43 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:17 <andythen_> It already is 18:15:22 <andythen_> Highly realisms 18:15:24 <V453000> !!! 18:16:43 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18E9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:20:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:49 <peter1138> Which andythenorth is the real one? 18:44:16 <peter1138> You are right, though, that MacBook runs Linux nicely. Until I can find an OS X ISO or something :S 18:46:48 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:30 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:40 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@0001ec72.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: irc2go] 18:47:47 *** moffi2 [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:48:05 <andythenorth> peter1138: did it have a USB key with it? 18:48:09 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p4FEBB3BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:48:18 <peter1138> Yes. 18:48:25 <andythenorth> does it have an ISO on it? 18:48:30 <peter1138> With an HFS+ filesystem, with a .CDR file on it. 18:48:33 <Nathan1852> Does anybody know if there is a way in coop that both players get the same money? 18:48:42 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:46 <Xaroth|Work> Nathan1852: join the same company? 18:48:54 <andythenorth> hmm 18:49:03 <andythenorth> maybe we just send you a 10.6 DVD :P 18:49:08 <andythenorth> I thought thatâs what we were doing 18:49:11 <peter1138> I wrote the .cdr file to a USB stick directly, but it doesn't boot :( 18:49:11 <andythenorth> but not 18:49:27 <peter1138> And I don't have a DVD writer capable of writing more than 4.7GB :S 18:50:23 <peter1138> Silly image, being 7.2GB, hah 18:52:43 <andythenorth> :P 18:53:33 <peter1138> Maybe unetbootin will make it boot from USB, but I'm not sure how compatible that is with Macs. 18:54:30 <Nathan1852> Xaroth: We are in the same company 18:54:42 <Nathan1852> And he gets double the amount i get 18:54:52 <peter1138> ... 18:55:05 <peter1138> The company gets money, not you. 18:55:31 <peter1138> If his money is showing double, it's probably in a different currency to you. 18:59:09 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:58 *** moffi2 [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, 1£=2$ in game logic 19:08:00 <andythenorth> peter1138: I donât think it will boot from USB for that OS X 19:08:02 <andythenorth> bit old 19:08:16 <peter1138> o_O 19:14:22 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:10 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:31 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:10 <andythenorth> yay 19:40:12 <andythenorth> gold on SV 19:40:14 <andythenorth> without cheating 19:40:22 <andythenorth> 10 years left out of 50 :) 19:40:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: another fun game ^ ;) 19:41:02 <headbang> hmm if im playing openttd in a window and switch to it from the bananas.openttd.org my mouse acts funky 19:41:12 <headbang> cause it has some focus on the list on the website 19:41:21 <headbang> if i leave the website the game responds normal again 19:51:01 <andythenorth> also that was hm4.png, first decent map Iâve seen in ages 19:51:08 <andythenorth> peter1138: âgot any more?â 19:53:24 <peter1138> Well 19:53:28 <peter1138> Not right now :) 20:02:41 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:10:21 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:03 *** looptrooper_ [looptroope@2a02:8071:683:7b01:84a9:f56c:6965:6310] has joined #openttd 20:24:11 <andythenorth> bye 20:24:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:25:10 *** Ramsus08191 [Ramsus0819@189.34.11.33] has joined #openttd 20:25:59 *** looptrooper [looptroope@2a02:8071:683:7b01:84a9:f56c:6965:6310] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:29 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:38:34 *** Yotson [~Yotson@2001:980:6ac8:1:d04f:189b:d8fd:39bc] has quit [Quit: .] 20:40:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@ip5b417367.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 20:41:35 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@blfd-4db130b6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:38 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 20:57:52 <Wolf01> well, night 20:58:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:04:35 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:09:26 <George> Hi. Is it possible to check if vehicle (train) goes across snowed land or not? 21:11:53 *** Nathan1852 [~Nathan185@p4FEBB3BD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:22 <planetmaker> good evening 21:14:29 <frosch123> George: it's possible for sprite selection, but not for changing vehicle properties 21:14:50 <George> create_effect? 21:15:10 <frosch123> yes, that one is fine 21:15:25 <George> Good. How to check that? 21:16:54 *** Suicyder [~Suicyder@86.92.59.88] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 21:19:26 <George> And would it be safe to change RC on snow? 21:19:33 <frosch123> snowline_height - var[0x9E, 3, 0xFF] 21:22:49 <frosch123> the result is the height above/below snowline in heightlevels 21:23:10 *** looptrooper [looptroope@2a02:8071:683:7b01:e5d3:6a36:78ba:1451] has joined #openttd 21:23:13 <frosch123> i am not exactly sure where the snow starts exactly though 21:23:41 <planetmaker> 3/4 snow cover is where snowline height is at 21:23:56 <George> Thanks. 21:25:12 <peter1138> Day-glo green :S 21:26:05 *** looptrooper [looptroope@2a02:8071:683:7b01:e5d3:6a36:78ba:1451] has quit [] 21:29:35 *** looptrooper_ [looptroope@2a02:8071:683:7b01:84a9:f56c:6965:6310] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:25 *** moffi [~moffi@dsdf-4db5d4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:49:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18E9E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:52 *** supermop [~supermop@d110-33-191-54.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:03:24 <peter1138> Gah, zBase sucks with rgb recolours. 22:05:37 <supermop> recoloring grass? 22:11:29 *** jpierre03_ [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:38 <peter1138> Recolouring the usual suspects. 22:12:14 <peter1138> zBase only uses one of the colours, not all 8, so it's all fucked up. 22:12:46 <supermop> huh? 22:12:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6C9B3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:12:51 <peter1138> Sup? 22:13:08 <supermop> like only one of the 8 shades of CC? 22:13:12 <peter1138> Yes 22:13:29 <supermop> doesn't it just mask a cc area over a greyscale area? 22:14:04 *** jpierre03_ [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has joined #openttd 22:14:09 <peter1138> Hmm? 22:15:24 <supermop> i thought the go-to way to do CC on rendered 32bpp sprites was to leave the area to be colored grey, and then mask out that shape to be shaded in with color 22:15:57 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p4FE23E06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:55 <peter1138> Superficially. Brightness level 128 means use the remap colour's brightness. 22:18:14 <peter1138> zBase varies the brightness and uses 1 colour in the mask, which is why everything with a recolour looks flat and crap. 22:18:31 <supermop> how does pikka do it? 22:18:50 <peter1138> The 8 CC colours vary in hue as well as brightness. 22:19:20 <peter1138> In 10cc, he ignores recolours completely and has just drawn different versions of the vehicles in different colours. 22:20:14 <supermop> how does the game choose which to use with only the CC information? 22:20:45 <peter1138> It doesn't, the NewGRF chooses. 22:21:18 <supermop> well this is all far beyond my understanding 22:22:03 <supermop> but does that mean one can 'recolor' with a texturre or image instead of a color? 22:22:39 <peter1138> Sure, the recolour "mask" is actually just a regular 8bpp sprite, but most of it is transparent. 22:24:06 <supermop> could one choose between reddish, brownish, orangish, or grey bricks on a house in this manner or is that i bit too far? 22:24:32 <peter1138> Yeah, you can use recolours for that. 22:25:14 <supermop> would it be better than just having different sprites for the different brick colors? 22:25:36 <peter1138> Probably more work to be honest. 22:25:43 <supermop> ok 22:26:10 <peter1138> The original buildings do use recolouring quite frequently, though. 22:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it's tricky to get the mask right when you use antialiasing on the image 22:27:14 <supermop> to be honest i was thinking more for painted trim am plaster, assuming those could be different pastel shades 22:28:10 <supermop> or that i could choose one random pastel shade for the plaste and one random dark shade for timbers and wrought iron 22:28:52 <supermop> today i am trying to model wrought iron in a way that looks good and not messy at scale and its a pain 22:32:03 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AF8D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:32:28 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: i found a handful of shorter prototypical houses around, but they are certinly a minority 22:32:39 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:51 <peter1138> Pink! 22:32:54 <peter1138> Hurr. 22:33:08 <supermop> i'll still likely throw a few in, but i assume they will predominate as they are easier to plaace 22:33:15 <planetmaker> pink... pastel pink are what the houses in this quarter are "traditionally". Looks a bit funky but one gets used to 22:33:26 <peter1138> Ooh 22:33:29 <peter1138> This code is nasty :( 22:33:33 <peter1138> Oh well. 22:33:50 <peter1138> I doubt RGB recolours will ever see the light of day :p 22:34:04 <supermop> planetmaker: the cc pink is not quite pastel unfortunately 22:34:25 <planetmaker> supermop, you can also make your own recolour sprites :) 22:34:34 <supermop> wait, peter1138 are you talking about hypothetically recoloring cc to any rgb value? 22:34:35 <planetmaker> no need to resort to the CC pink necessarily 22:35:19 <supermop> planetmaker: maybe magenta cottages would liven things up a bit 22:35:54 <supermop> you know what would be cool - if funded industries take the CC of their founder 22:36:31 <planetmaker> supermop, you may be surprised... that can be the case. And can be enforced so by NewGRF 22:36:52 <planetmaker> not sure whether default do, those which have CC colours 22:36:59 <supermop> if i'm paying hundreds of billions of yen to build an oil refinery, i can live with other companies using it, but less so with the builders painting it pink without consulting me 22:37:42 <planetmaker> paint it pink, too! 22:38:29 <supermop> well i guess i could begrudgingly switch my cc to match 22:40:08 <supermop> i've been using green or orange (gold?) since 1994 but lately i've taken a liking to 'light blue' 22:40:54 <supermop> looks good with the yellow warning panels on the original temperate trains 22:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: you're not limited to the CC colours for recolouring, you can make your own colour map (out of the original palette) 22:41:16 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: cool 22:42:57 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:44:21 <supermop> oooh fiancee is using some cool text editor that colors bits of your code depending on what language you write in! 22:44:25 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:58 <supermop> 'sublime text' 22:47:16 <frosch123> supermop: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Getting_started#Syntax_highlighting <- there are some syntax highlighting rules for popular editors 22:47:36 <frosch123> if you using windows, the standard editor for coding is "notepad++" 22:48:00 <glx> and you can add custom languages in it too 22:49:54 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there are still editors that don't do that? 22:50:38 *** jpierre03_ [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:50 <supermop> i used regular notepad last time i updated the grf i had 3-4 years ago 22:50:59 <supermop> i dont recall it being fun 22:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, anyone remember the time when "a trilogy in four parts" was meant ironically? 22:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> nowadays, every trilogy seems to come in four parts... 22:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> because the 3rd movie gets a part 1 and part 2 22:54:22 <frosch123> that does not only hold for triologies 22:54:25 <frosch123> but for all series 22:54:42 <frosch123> like a septology turning into an octology 22:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 22:55:18 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:55:33 <argoneus> good night train friends 22:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and the winner is peter jackson, who turned one book into three movies :p 22:56:42 <glx> a big book 22:56:48 <__ln__> not 22:57:02 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@213.205.227.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:26 <frosch123> yeah, it could be faster to read the book, than to watch the movies :p 23:00:41 <__ln__> glx: Eddi is referring to Hobbit, not LotR 23:01:12 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:36 <frosch123> 310 pages vs. 500 minutes 23:01:40 <planetmaker> g'night 23:04:22 <__ln__> i wonder what kind of a movie this book would convert into: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastalon_salissa 23:04:44 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc20-stap11-2-0-cust392.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: JacobD88] 23:06:15 *** jpierre03_ [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has joined #openttd 23:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: something like a tarantino movie where the same 15 minute scene is repeated from 8 different perspectives 23:08:33 <frosch123> "lola rennt" was rather boring 23:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure i've ever watched that in full 23:09:15 <frosch123> sounds confirming :p 23:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i found at some point that i don't actually enjoy watching movies, so i basically stopped, except for a few times per year in the cinema 23:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and i concentrated on TV series 23:17:19 <frosch123> i never liked any series past the age of 12 23:21:54 <glx> __ln__: I knew :) 23:24:39 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-80-229.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:30:56 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:42 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/I5D29EC.jpg 23:33:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it was probably too difficult to make a panel with non-continguous numbers on it :p 23:37:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:56:53 <frosch123> night 23:56:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008dc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:59:52 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-230-86-71-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd