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Log for #openttd on 7th May 2015:
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01:01:51  <kamnet> Quite a slow day in here
01:02:30  <ST2> I guess channel is using daylength patch xD
01:05:19  * kamnet rimshots
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06:48:19  <V453000> =D got a new wacom tablet, texturing shall begin
06:49:18  <JezK> \o/
06:49:22  <JezK> which model?
06:49:54  <V453000> rawr bridges now :)
06:50:03  <JezK> err, model of wacom
06:50:22  <V453000> intuos pro M
06:50:33  <JezK> ooh nice
06:50:42  <JezK> i'd like an intuos but not sure i'd get enough use out of it
06:50:46  <JezK> i don't use my bamboo enough
06:50:58  <V453000> hm :)
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07:05:32  <supermop> damn vray is expensive
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07:11:40  <V453000> yes it is :(
07:11:47  <V453000> but it is great :D
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07:14:05  <JezK> i've never used it, i only know blender.. cycles is pretty good
07:14:16  <V453000> cycles looks nice yeah
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07:15:49  <V453000> mental ray isnt a disaster either, but the various extra Vray features are what makes it so awesome for me - VrayProxies, VrayScatter, VrayClippers, atmospheric Toon effects, some of the maps, ambient occlusion can be to some degree in the main pass so I dont have to render more passes
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07:45:36  <JezK> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRTjzLNK0g
07:46:36  <JezK> pretty impressive for a free opensauce renderer
07:47:28  <V453000> yes cycles can do great stuff :)
07:47:35  <V453000> not so sure about the node construction :D
07:48:07  <JezK> as in how to use the node interface?
07:48:11  <JezK> or how intuitive it is?
07:48:22  <V453000> on how much work it is to get a simple material done
07:48:25  <JezK> ahh yeah
07:48:30  <JezK> i am not very good with it =(
07:48:42  <V453000> it is great and all, but smaller more complex nodes like in max look better to me
07:48:50  <V453000> esp when I have hundreds of materials in one scene
07:49:04  <V453000> the modularity is fun to toy with though, that I liked
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08:09:24  <supermop> ugh i don't think i can get my client to cough up for a copy
08:09:37  <supermop> nor can he afford to outsource a good render
08:11:20  <supermop> how much would you charge to do three shots, architecture interiors, photorealistically in VRay, if you had to rig all the lighting V453000?
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08:46:25  <V453000> I would say send me a pdf with a scheme of the model and I tell you :)
08:46:42  <V453000> what so you mean by rigging lighting?
08:46:49  <V453000> like animated lights?
08:47:08  <V453000> also I think prices here and in the world might differ :P
08:47:41  <V453000> but 3 photos generally start from about 1000 euros, more with bigger models
08:48:20  <V453000> but we do model into photo, so there still is less of model work even there; we do exteriors 99% of the time
08:49:19  <V453000> if I do a lot of model work, I usually have material to render model-only without any background photos, then I give the client 10 renders or such, just cause it costs me almost nothing
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10:59:20  <supermop> well its interior so no background visible, and the space is fully modelled
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10:59:51  <supermop> but i assume you'd need to re-do the lighting for vray
11:00:37  <supermop> it will cost at least 1000 eur of my time to figure out how to do something i've never done, on new software, and then produce
11:01:02  <supermop> so i'm assuming client's money will go farther if i subcontract
11:01:53  <supermop> some of my friends have mentioned their firms have outsourced renders that were 000 for an image
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11:59:07  <andythenorth> o/
12:00:03  <kamnet> \O
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13:29:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i'll screw up my system now.
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13:30:19  <V453000> I think Eddi misunderstood the Fuck Linux line into sexual intercourse with penguin
13:31:24  <^Spike^> V i understand you want to keep it anonymous considering you just said penguin ;)
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15:03:08  <Eddi|zuHause> well... that would have been too easy...
15:11:19  <Eddi|zuHause> why is it that with every kde update, there's a new indexer that i have to manually disable?
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15:25:58  <Eddi|zuHause> looks much better with an actual graphics driver
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17:45:22  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27269 trunk/src/lang/latvian.txt (2015-05-07 19:45:13 +0200 )
17:45:23  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:24  <DorpsGek> latvian - 20 changes by Parastais
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18:05:04  <Wolf01> o/
18:07:23  <Alberth> hi hi
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18:28:54  <andythenorth> o/
18:29:01  <andythenorth> quak
18:29:14  <Wolf01> wof
18:29:23  <frosch123> moo
18:29:43  <Wolf01> do unicorns moo now?
18:29:48  <frosch123> yes
18:30:08  <Alberth> animal farm :)
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18:30:28  <frosch123> i even convinced sylf that they do
18:31:20  <andythenorth> frosch123: any industry patch I should test? o_O
18:31:33  <frosch123> not today :)
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18:34:12  <FLHerne> Evening
18:34:17  <andythenorth> bonsoir
18:34:21  <andythenorth> how is the spaghetti?
18:34:50  <FLHerne> Making a little more sense
18:34:58  * FLHerne screenshots
18:36:28  <FLHerne> http://i.imgur.com/nJUfSLi.png
18:36:40  <FLHerne> I was going to ask how vehicle sprite offsets work
18:37:14  <andythenorth> you might consider enforcing templates
18:37:34  <FLHerne> My current guess is 'position of top-left of sprite relative to centre of tile at [some point]'
18:37:53  <andythenorth> get Eddi|zuHause to explain how it actually works
18:37:57  <FLHerne> I spent a few minutes fiddling, and then decided it would be easier to go on IRC and ask :P
18:38:00  <andythenorth> he has quite a good understanding
18:38:04  <andythenorth> :)
18:38:48  <FLHerne> The big sprite picture is a draggy thingy that's supposed to set the alignment
18:39:11  <Eddi|zuHause> it's really simple, actually. enable the bounding boxes (Ctrl+B if you have newgrf developer tools enabled). find the corner of the bounding box that is invisible. that need to be the coordinates for your offset
18:39:15  <FLHerne> But it doesn't yet, because I don't know what the alignment's supposed to be relative to when
18:40:17  <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Relative to the top corner of the sprite?
18:40:47  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
18:42:06  <andythenorth> hmm
18:42:10  <andythenorth> Iron Horse docs are terrible
18:42:20  <FLHerne> Ok, I can see that now :-)
18:42:23  <andythenorth> broken / outdated / incomplete :(
18:43:16  <FLHerne> Now I need to make sure I actually get the idea, and then try to make it comprehensible
18:43:16  <frosch123> rename it to porcelain horse?
18:43:43  <andythenorth> ha ha
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18:43:48  <andythenorth> that is a nice name for a roster
18:43:51  <FLHerne> It would be a lot easier if I'd learnt to make a range of grfs before trying to make a tool to make grfs
18:44:15  <andythenorth> hmm
18:44:17  <andythenorth> nah
18:44:21  <andythenorth> jump in the deep end
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18:45:35  <FLHerne> I did some objects, so the obvious first thing to try would be making objects
18:45:49  <FLHerne> So I'm doing road vehicles
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18:49:22  <Alberth> there is an nml tutorial to make a RV :)
18:49:38  <andythenorth> apropos of [nothing]
18:49:46  <andythenorth> what is the state of getting nml onto pypi?
18:50:08  <FLHerne> Alberth: I know, the truck in that screenshot is stolen from it ;-)
18:50:26  <Alberth> afaik we have crendentials of pypi, but that's all I know
18:50:55  <andythenorth> we got the creds back?
18:50:57  <Alberth> FLHerne: oh :)
18:51:18  <frosch123> andythenorth: yes, pm can now loging
18:51:22  <frosch123> *login
18:51:27  <Alberth> mr Amml3r visited us some while ago
18:51:34  <frosch123> but pm is currently on a vacation to mars or something
18:51:37  <andythenorth> ha
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20:23:49  <andythenorth> frosch123: you profiled Iron Horse and found it wastes lots of time waking up pythons - what tool did you use?  Perf?
20:24:36  <frosch123> nmlc --verbosity=4
20:24:57  <frosch123> and "time" for the complete process
20:25:18  <frosch123> gives you start-up times for python, initialisation of nml, and the actual processing
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20:52:02  <argoneus> http://youtube.com/watch?v=JPgFs-OcvNo
20:52:04  <argoneus> this game confuses me
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21:11:23  <Wolf01> 'night
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