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07:18:29  <Wolf01> hi hi
07:19:07  <Wolf01> coffee time
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12:11:01  <andythenorth> o/
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12:44:34  <andythenorth> lo Alberth
12:44:40  <andythenorth> is cat?
12:44:44  <Alberth> ha, an andy, moin
12:45:16  <Alberth> the last one I saw was lazily laying in the shade of a tree
12:46:05  <Alberth> which seems like a pretty good way to pass the day, to me
12:51:26  <andythenorth> it is probably writing pseudo code to solve a tricky problem
12:51:27  <andythenorth> tbh
12:53:01  <V453000> yoyo
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13:05:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i have one laying on a chair
13:06:31  <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm afraid as soon as i move, she will demand food
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13:12:40  <__ln__> you probably mean: lying
13:24:13  <peter1138> Probably.
13:24:48  <peter1138> Maybe it was actually laying on a chair.
13:27:54  <peter1138> On the other hand, real Minecraft is useless on a tablet.
13:28:02  <peter1138> Hmm, wrong window :)
13:28:24  <andythenorth> nah
13:28:32  <andythenorth> seems on-topic to me
13:28:43  <andythenorth> I have only played Minecraft on a tablet
13:28:59  <andythenorth> and that only to mine endless tunnels for the 5 year old to build mine cart tracks
13:31:53  <V453000> howudoin catthenorth
13:34:11  <andythenorth> avoiding newgrfs
13:34:22  <V453000> XD ?
13:34:25  <V453000> what does that mean
13:34:27  <andythenorth> having a break
13:34:40  <andythenorth> too much newgrf on the brain = bad
13:34:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i was trying to play minecraft yesterday
13:35:02  <Eddi|zuHause> but then i ran out of sandstone halfway through...
13:35:05  <andythenorth> ‘play'
13:35:13  <andythenorth> it’s not a very ludic game imo
13:35:24  <V453000> I am probably going to leave all of my openttd work for now
13:35:38  <andythenorth> actually, I am 100% wrong
13:35:44  <andythenorth> minecraft is too ludic imho
13:35:49  <Eddi|zuHause> and mining for sandstone is horribly inefficient
13:36:12  <Eddi|zuHause> because there are only 2 or 3 layers under the sand
13:36:22  <peter1138> You can turn sand into sandstone.
13:36:27  <Eddi|zuHause> and you need to leave the top layer, or the sand will fall down
13:36:41  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: since when?
13:37:03  <V453000> everybody go play Factorio! :P
13:37:27  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, since it was introduced.
13:37:57  * andythenorth plays OpenTTD
13:38:00  <andythenorth> have you heard of it?
13:38:26  <peter1138> And of course the most efficient way to collect sand is to use torches...
13:38:51  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know of that
13:38:56  * andythenorth just dynamites everything
13:39:20  <peter1138> That needs sand too :D
13:39:20  <andythenorth> is that wrong?
13:40:04  <Eddi|zuHause> if you forget the sand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage
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13:43:58  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: the weird thing is, i was thinking yesterday "there needs to be a way to turn sand into sandstone", but i must have totally overlooked the recepie
13:45:42  <peter1138> Mr. G. got up and vomited; the effort of vomiting pressed out about half a teacupful of the brain, which fell upon the floor.
13:45:45  <peter1138> Lovely.
13:46:22  <andythenorth> it’s a good story
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13:54:28  <Eddi|zuHause> it's nice that 1.8 turned my totally imba infinite bow from "impossible to repair" to "repair for 2 levels"
13:57:04  <peter1138> heh
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14:44:21  <MIC132> Hi, quick question. How can I uninstall/delete newGRFs? Can't find the option anywhere..
14:47:13  <MIC132> Anyone?
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14:55:42  <V453000> yes
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14:57:05  <Eddi|zuHause> sure.
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16:20:43  <Alberth> evenink
16:21:26  <andythenorth> quak
16:21:27  <andythenorth> etc
16:22:13  <frosch123> moin
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16:29:42  <peter1138> Fucking HP. Rearranged their site and nothing support related works :S
16:29:54  <peter1138> My HP 2530 switches no longer exist...
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16:34:38  <frosch123> https://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/fs6361.png <- i have no idea where that X sprite comes from
16:34:53  <frosch123> but that the ottd cursor leaves a black trail is amazing enough
16:35:54  <andythenorth> bit special
16:37:48  <Rubidium> how misleading that bug is
16:38:00  <Rubidium> saying he's using transport goals when it actually is awards
16:38:25  <frosch123> well, it also popups like 3 newgrf errors when opening the save :p
16:38:59  <peter1138> loading gui sprite as viewport sprite, so wrong zooming, or somesuch?
16:40:50  <Rubidium> might is be the {COMPANY} resolution? It tries to do that 15 times in the "Own by N company/ies {COMPANY}[15]" string
16:42:50  <Rubidium> frosch123: {RED}{CROSS}
16:43:04  <Rubidium> at least for the large cross
16:49:11  <Rubidium> peter1138: that's the new way of support these days. It doesn't work, well just buy a new one
16:49:44  <Rubidium> so, since you can't find the updated firmware, just buy a new one with the updated firmware ;)
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16:49:46  <frosch123> ah, at least i figured how i triggered the mouse trail, i used the spritealigner and accidentially moved the mouse offset
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16:59:45  <andythenorth> what did I miss?
17:00:06  <frosch123> cats
17:00:29  <peter1138> Rubidium, yeah, I bought 4 in April...
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17:05:05  <Rubidium> peter1138: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qpMvS1Q1sos#t=147 ;)
17:06:11  <peter1138> heh
17:09:17  <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pus57coge?/pus57coge <- the only thing i can imagine right now
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17:09:45  <frosch123> the drawing uses a clipping area, so the screenshot in the task shows that a lot more went wrong
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17:15:16  <frosch123> hmm, it's even more complicated when deleting whole pages
17:15:30  <frosch123> maybe the list should store the poolids instead of the pointers
17:17:42  <frosch123> otoh, no matter what invalid pointer it may have gotten, the strings should only use read access there
17:17:43  <frosch123> so, no idea
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17:21:35  <Eddi|zuHause> i never quite got around to watching this prisoner #6 show...
17:22:15  <frosch123> what happened to #5 ?
17:22:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i guess you need to watch it to find out :p
17:27:56  <frosch123> i hoped i could deligate watching tv to you
17:29:06  <Eddi|zuHause> never delegate anything to me. haven't you learned that by now? :p
17:29:52  <frosch123> eisenhower says: delegate unimporant but urgent stuff
17:30:52  <frosch123> ofc he also says "do everything important yourself", which screws you, if you do not know what "important" means :p
17:31:49  <Eddi|zuHause> sure, but delegate to someone who actually will reasonably likely finish the job :p
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18:04:37  <oneriwien> can't compile the source code openttd
18:04:59  <oneriwien> visual studio 2015
18:05:31  <Alberth> ...
18:06:13  <oneriwien> where to put openttd-useful???
18:06:16  <Alberth> (not that I can help you, but "it fails" isn't enough infomation for anything else than "oh dear :(" )
18:08:40  <Alberth> wiki doesn't go beyond 2012, I am afraid https://wiki.openttd.org/Category:Compiling_OpenTTD
18:09:15  <oneriwien> man it sure is cool that ppl contribute to openttd!!!!
18:12:18  <Eddi|zuHause> there was a VS2015 commit earlier
18:13:11  <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 27382
18:13:12  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by michi_cc :: r27382 /trunk/projects (22 files) (2015-08-10 22:36:57 +0200 )
18:13:13  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Add: [Win32] Project files for Visual Studio 2015.
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18:13:46  <Eddi|zuHause> so make sure you have at least that revision
18:16:10  <oneriwien> there's a openttd_vs100.sln and openttd_vs140.sln
18:17:23  <Eddi|zuHause> you're probably looking for the 140 one
18:18:17  <Eddi|zuHause> microsofts versioning is weird, there's a discrepancy between internal development version and external marketing version
18:24:18  <Supercheese> Microsoft's everything is weird
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18:27:27  <Eddi|zuHause> sure... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxaCOHT0pmI
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18:29:07  <oneriwien> http://pastebin.com/1We8V5gS
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18:29:11  <oneriwien> error
18:33:36  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe needs an updated useful.zip?
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18:37:21  <andythenorth> hmm
18:37:41  <Eddi|zuHause> it's called GMM
18:37:58  <andythenorth> guess it’s time for “source ../../bin32/bin/activate”
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18:54:30  <Wolf01> https://twitter.com/RichFelker/status/631103814477697025 meh
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18:55:42  <michi_cc> oneriwien: Try the libs from http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/openttd-useful-6.0-win.zip They are just a pre-release though and will be properly updated on the OTTD website itself, so don't go around editing the wiki and other stuff just yet :)
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19:17:52  <Supercheese> Ah crap, the images from this old thread are gone: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47279
19:18:07  <Supercheese> that was the one that showed International airports having higher capacity than Intercontinental... blast
19:23:06  <Supercheese> ah well, the conclusions are still stated
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19:45:15  <Eddi|zuHause> uhm, so mining sand with a piston is fun, but moving the piston takes longer than just burning through a bunch of stone shovels...
19:45:55  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should move the piston with a piston :p
19:46:42  <Eddi|zuHause> i should just be able to push a block instead of mining it...
19:46:47  <Eddi|zuHause> sokoban!
19:48:52  <frosch123> in factorio i use the car to remove stones
19:49:44  <V453000> nice point I was wondering how to do that
19:49:47  <V453000> :D
19:49:53  <V453000> must go sleep
19:49:54  <V453000> bai
19:50:19  <peter1138> Enchanted diamond shovel, go on.
19:50:23  <frosch123> it's about one repair pack per stone
20:01:46  * andythenorth ponders mining and crafting in OpenTTD :P
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20:17:36  <Eddi|zuHause> recipes for steam engines by arranging wheels and boilers :p
20:21:27  <frosch123> 1 pump, 14 boilers, 10 engines
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20:36:04  <oneriwien> @commit
20:36:05  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: Commit by michi_cc :: r27382 /trunk/projects (22 files) (2015-08-10 22:36:57 +0200 )
20:36:06  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: -Add: [Win32] Project files for Visual Studio 2015.
20:36:16  <oneriwien> @commit 27381
20:36:16  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: Commit by michi_cc :: r27381 /trunk/src (16 files in 5 dirs) (2015-08-10 22:24:13 +0200 )
20:36:17  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: -Fix: Warnings due to C++11 requirements for explicit narrowing conversions in initializer lists.
20:36:27  <oneriwien> @commit 27380
20:36:27  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: Commit by michi_cc :: r27380 /trunk/src (5 files in 4 dirs) (2015-08-10 22:21:29 +0200 )
20:36:28  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: -Fix: [Win32] Compilation with MSVC2015.
20:36:37  <oneriwien> @commit 27379
20:36:37  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: Commit by frosch :: r27379 /trunk/src (5 files in 2 dirs) (2015-08-10 22:04:31 +0200 )
20:36:38  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: -Codechange: Do not throw in the destructors of ScriptTest/ExecMode.
20:36:47  <oneriwien> so how often is openttd usually updated
20:37:10  <oneriwien> looks like a fairly active community
20:37:16  <Eddi|zuHause> whenever someone has time
20:37:26  <oneriwien> @commit 27000
20:37:26  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: Commit by rubidium :: r27000 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-10-12 13:53:13 +0200 )
20:37:27  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: -Fix (r26999): compilation error with some versions of GCC
20:37:38  <oneriwien> @commit 27300
20:37:38  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: Commit by frosch :: r27300 trunk/src/group_gui.cpp (2015-06-20 13:05:11 +0200 )
20:37:39  <DorpsGek> oneriwien: -Fix [FS#6306]: Silence GCC warning (Cif)
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20:38:20  <oneriwien> too bad i'm too new at C++ programming to contribute
20:38:23  <Eddi|zuHause> activity tends to be lower in summer, and also seems to decrease over time
20:38:47  <Eddi|zuHause> you're never "too new" for anything
20:39:23  <frosch123> oneriwien: http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/shortlog <- please use that page
20:39:29  <frosch123> it does not highlight everyone
20:39:36  <Eddi|zuHause> there's a list of beginner tasks in the wiki
20:43:13  <oneriwien> i just started learning winAPI
20:43:37  <Eddi|zuHause> you won't need any of that for openttd
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21:02:51  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:10:02  <glx> Eddi|zuHause: only in some specific places
21:10:46  <glx> but that part of the code usually doesn't need to be touched
21:12:33  <oneriwien> ugh still doeesn't work
21:13:07  <Rubidium> glx: https://rbijker.net/openttd/win32_sound_does_this_make_sense.diff (you wrote it)
21:13:44  <Rubidium> it crashes (at least) MinGW GCC 5.2 code on my virtual machine without sound card without that const
21:13:55  <glx> hey your cert is not safe ;)
21:13:58  <Rubidium> haven't tried win32 / win9x from the CF
21:14:21  <Rubidium> glx: no, you don't "know" anybody that trusts me
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21:21:54  <glx> Rubidium: makes sense yes, looks like the exception is not catched by char* and requires a const
21:22:22  <glx> weird nobody reported it earlier :)
21:22:26  <Rubidium> though I wonder whether that makes MSVC / old GCC break as arguably it must've been tested once, right?
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21:26:11  <Eddi|zuHause> oneriwien: did you replace the old files properly?
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21:30:16  <glx> Rubidium: just checked in VS2012 it's catched in both cases, char* and const char*
21:30:48  <frosch123> Rubidium: "T is a (possibly cv-qualified) pointer and E is also a pointer, which is implicitly convertible to T either by a standard pointer conversion a qualification conversion"
21:31:20  <frosch123> so, catch (const T*) should catch T*
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21:32:26  <glx> oh nice my mingw setup is broken it seems
21:36:11  <oneriwien> Eddi|zuHause, do i use the same directmusic file?
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21:42:17  <glx> ok fixed my mingw setup (mingw-get was lying)
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21:45:23  <Eddi|zuHause> oneriwien: well i certainly don't know what you do.
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22:42:44  <glx> Rubidium: after some tests gcc 4.8.1 crashes without const
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