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Log for #openttd on 19th August 2015:
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01:26:35  <supermop> streaming a podcast and downloading a pineapple update is quite slow
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01:53:31  <Supercheese> sounds like you need to dual track your modem mainline ;)
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02:48:34  <Eddi|zuHause> on ISDN you could do that, use two channels to double the speed
03:01:47  <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: so i should replace fiber connection with isdn?
03:02:04  <supermop> here it would probably be about the same speed
03:02:33  <supermop> the cable and fiber internet is so underwhelming
03:02:53  <supermop> because there is only one option for each
03:03:57  <Eddi|zuHause> that's what a monopoly will get you
03:05:42  <supermop> duopoly is even worse
03:06:06  <supermop> because under us law it doesnt technically count as anti-competitive behavior
03:06:48  <supermop> or at least the fcc and courts have been hesitant to fight it
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03:18:16  <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, the company that owns the majority of the house connections, which is the formerly state run telekom, is required by law to offer the line for any provider to use
03:18:25  <Eddi|zuHause> and the prices are regulated
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03:18:56  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a perfect system, but it clearly is way better than the american system
03:19:54  <Eddi|zuHause> but fibre is virtually nonexistent in germany.
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03:22:31  <Flygon> Still more Fibre in Germany than Australia
03:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause> are you sure? http://www.oecd.org/sti/broadband/1.10-PctFibreToTotalBroadband-2014-12.xls
03:29:52  <Flygon> Eddi: Yes.
03:30:03  <Flygon> Australia's got fuckall real Fibre connections
03:30:14  <Flygon> At least Germany has decent Broadband through other methods
03:30:35  <Flygon> Here, if you're not one of the lucky few bastards to get Fibre, or even god-forbid Cable
03:30:48  <Flygon> You're probably on a craptacular unstable 6mbits ADSL line
03:33:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i was on 0.3mbit ADSL until about a year ago
03:34:17  <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe two
03:34:44  <Flygon> Holy fuck
03:34:59  <Flygon> How is that even physically possible?
03:35:08  <Flygon> An ADSL line that shit should have been dropping out a megabit ago
03:40:24  <Eddi|zuHause> it's really simple. you pay the same as for a 1mbit line, but you're only getting 1/3 the speed.
03:40:53  <Eddi|zuHause> or technically 3/8
03:42:40  <Flygon> Exactly what happens here
03:42:43  <Flygon> People pay for 24mbit
03:42:47  <Flygon> But that's UPTO 24mbit
03:42:56  <Flygon> I am paying for 24mbit line
03:43:00  <Eddi|zuHause> no. it wasn't like that
03:43:02  <Flygon> But because it's a 3km long line
03:43:08  <Flygon> I get 6mbits
03:43:25  <Flygon> Because the laws of physics suck
03:43:31  <Eddi|zuHause> it was explicitely sold as that speed
03:43:33  <Flygon> And Internet planning here is abysmal
03:43:37  * Flygon nod
03:44:18  <Eddi|zuHause> they meanwhile upgraded to 16mbit, though, and an option to upgrade to 50mbit
03:44:26  <Flygon> Hmm
03:44:32  <Flygon> Sounds like what they're doing
03:44:35  <Eddi|zuHause> but it's still all copper based, not fibre
03:44:37  <Flygon> Is rolling extra line pairs to your house
03:44:44  <Flygon> Which's impossible to do in Australia
03:45:03  <Eddi|zuHause> the line to the house hasn't changed
03:45:13  <Flygon> They don't add additional phone lines?...
03:45:14  <Eddi|zuHause> they upgraded the distribution node
03:45:16  <Flygon> And pair them together
03:45:24  <Flygon> Oh, they move the node closer to your house?
03:45:36  <Eddi|zuHause> something like that
03:45:44  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the details
03:45:55  <Flygon> How inefficient :(
03:46:10  <Flygon> Still, better than what's going on here
03:49:23  <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't change the fact that germany is a developing country compared to, like, sweden
03:49:35  <Flygon> Germany... developing country?
03:49:36  <Flygon> ????????????
03:49:40  <Flygon> What.
03:49:52  <Flygon> Hahaha... dude. Germany, from an Australian perspective
03:49:56  <Flygon> Is developed as fuck
03:50:19  <Flygon> You got decent Internet everywhere, decent freeways, decent public transit, decent economy...
03:50:38  <Flygon> I can understand that, internally, it might look fucking terrible
03:50:46  <Flygon> But from an external PoV, Germany's got it all!
03:51:44  <Eddi|zuHause> all, except fast internet.
03:51:50  <Flygon> Haha... haa
03:51:54  <Flygon> No, you got fast Internet :|
03:52:02  <Flygon> Imean, option to upgrade to 50mbits?
03:52:07  <Flygon> Doesn't fuckin' exist here man :D
03:53:05  <Eddi|zuHause> but in sweden, you're looking hard to find a house that DOESN'T have 50mbit
03:53:49  <Flygon> Sweden also barely has any population that isn't from Stockholm
03:54:05  <Flygon> Having the entire country's population inside a single city helps with getting Fibre to everyone xP
03:54:07  <Flygon> Then again...
03:54:22  <Flygon> Australia's one of the single most urbanized countries on the planet and we still fucked that up...
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05:21:52  <Supercheese> I used to have 50+ mbit Internet, but my new provider is more like 20
05:22:02  <Supercheese> California, man do they have high speeds
05:25:19  <Supercheese> Here... not so much
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07:02:37  <Ether_Man> Can the auto replace function be used to add wagons to an entire set of trains as well as just change the existing ones?
07:13:04  <Supercheese> No, don't think so
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08:06:36  <Ether_Man> That's... annoying then. Replacing a single engine, to a doubleengine with wagon removal on. Going back to a single engine now, and I have to readd that wagon manually on each and every train >_<
08:08:50  <planetmaker> yes... that would need full-fledged consist replacement, though. Desirable. But not easy to implement
08:11:59  <Ether_Man> Indeed
08:12:01  <V453000> if you get used to it and build your trains "right" from the beginning, you wont even miss it later ;)
08:13:05  <Ether_Man> So what way is right for it to be normal that trains get shorter and shorter as time passes?
08:14:16  <V453000> not necessarily shorter, but many train sets have early wagons to be shorter, and later wagons to be longer
08:14:33  <V453000> regardless, having your trains the same length for all of the game time is best
08:14:47  <V453000> since everything you build needs to work with that length
08:15:22  <Ether_Man> Right. But that does not really change that you're losing wagons every time you change down from a double engine type to a single engine type
08:16:00  <V453000> yeah that is a bad thing ... a reason why NUTS has all engines 1 tile long :)
08:16:10  <V453000> one of them anyway
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09:00:32  <Wolf01> hi o/
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11:45:23  <andythenorth> o/
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12:42:40  <andythenorth> @seen pikka
12:42:40  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Pikka> for sure
12:47:54  <planetmaker> ho :)
12:50:31  <V453000> sup humanz
12:53:56  <andythenorth> lo
12:54:04  * andythenorth ponders a ‘daily event’ GS
12:54:11  <andythenorth> like Busy Bee, but you get one goal per day
12:54:25  <andythenorth> so you play a bit of OpenTTD in the evening or at lunchtime or whatever
12:54:29  <andythenorth> then you stop until next day
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12:58:24  <V453000> openttd tamagochi :D
12:58:41  <andythenorth> pretty much
12:58:43  <V453000> the app should also wake you up in the middle of the night saying your trains are sad and you should feed them
12:58:48  <V453000> pet them
12:58:50  <V453000> walk them
12:58:56  <andythenorth> yeah
12:59:06  <andythenorth> I get woken up by the kids games on my wife’s phone
12:59:14  <andythenorth> “your dragons are hungry"
12:59:22  <andythenorth> “you haven’t played angry birds for 2 days"
12:59:28  <V453000> XD
12:59:30  <andythenorth> Yeah, it’s fucking 2am :(
12:59:31  <V453000> lol
12:59:32  <andythenorth> Fuck off
12:59:56  <V453000> I can see the potential in this done with OpenTTD
13:00:17  <andythenorth> it’s quite nice in some of the casual games I play
13:00:31  <andythenorth> they basically have no end point, except ‘spend money on DLC'
13:00:39  <andythenorth> so a daily goal is a good distraction
13:00:50  <V453000> daily goal = buy new shit
13:01:15  <andythenorth> nah, the good ones you don’t have to buy any DLC (if that’s what you mean)
13:01:24  <andythenorth> but you get some crates and dollars and stuff
13:01:36  <andythenorth> also, eh, the forums have gone shit
13:01:43  <andythenorth> is it new-user season?
13:01:59  <V453000> :)
13:02:54  <V453000> when were the forums not shit? :P
13:03:08  <V453000>  /point has been made
13:03:24  <andythenorth> well, it’s new people
13:03:37  <andythenorth> I understand the old people :P
13:03:44  <V453000> end of holiday frenzy? :P
13:03:55  <andythenorth> loads of students, nothing to occupy them?
13:06:14  <V453000> arr
13:06:28  <V453000> its not like I did much else in my student days  :P
13:07:00  <andythenorth> or now :P
13:07:25  <V453000> not exactly :P
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14:26:50  <supermop> andythenorth: a casual daily goal gs might be the only thing that would even get me to play anymore
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14:30:56  <Eddi|zuHause> in every game i ever played, introducing daily missions was a sign for the upcoming demise of the game and its community
14:31:36  <Eddi|zuHause> or it was seen that way by the community
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15:01:42  <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: maybe but the game's demise seems to already be here somewhat for many of us?
15:02:08  <Eddi|zuHause> the game's demise was here already before the project even started
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15:03:35  <Sacro> You've not built a jinty in over 48 hours
15:05:08  <supermop> jinty is sad
15:05:32  <supermop> kirby paul saga
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15:27:38  <Alberth> hi hi
15:29:25  <peter1138> josh kirby was better than paul kidby
15:30:52  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: was the community right? o_O
15:31:11  <Eddi|zuHause> probably not... :p
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15:32:57  <andythenorth> did they declare the sky was falling?
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15:38:29  <Wolf01> mmmh, StarMade anyone?
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16:07:15  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, you're confusing that with a plotline in asterix :p
16:09:25  <Alberth> :D
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16:13:06  <orudge> frosch123: the wiki diff should be fixed now, sorry about that
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16:14:03  <frosch123> thanks, works :)
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17:23:49  <andythenorth> rain cat
17:26:54  <V453000> asdf umbrella
17:30:52  <andythenorth> bbl
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17:45:24  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27387 trunk/src/lang/dutch.txt (2015-08-19 19:45:15 +0200 )
17:45:25  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:26  <DorpsGek> dutch - 2 changes by TheTycoonist
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