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01:12:28  <Eddi|zuHause> so... instead of a neat "the forum is backing up" message, we now get 500's?
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08:27:09  <Wolf01> moin
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10:08:42  <fjb> Moin.
10:17:15  <Wolf01> oh, the express courrier just arrived, i finally can build the emerald express
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15:41:45  <Terkhen> hello
15:47:00  <Alberth> hello T
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16:26:14  <Mazur> Just discovered "OpenTTD Lets Play" on Youtube.  *cringes at the amateuristic building*
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16:41:42  <Alberth> oh, you thought you needed to be any good to make a video and post it at YT ?
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16:47:27  <Alberth> hola
16:49:08  <frosch123> moin
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17:06:47  <planetmaker> hola
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17:34:13  <mczapkie> Hello
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17:37:44  <mczapkie> Does anybody know, how to inherit all translators into newgrf project on dev.openttdcoop.org? (Inherit members checked, eints added as Translation manager, still no other translators granted)
17:39:33  <frosch123> is your project a subproject of "newgrf" or "game scripts"?
17:40:54  <mczapkie> newgrf
17:41:06  <frosch123> well, which project is it?
17:41:21  <mczapkie> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ecs-industry-extension/s
17:41:29  <mczapkie> withoust /s
17:41:46  <frosch123> it is a toplevel project, no subproject
17:42:15  <frosch123> go to settings and make it a subproject of "newgrfs"
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17:43:16  <mczapkie> i have no option for 'newgrfs' in subproject of list
17:43:27  <frosch123> maybe it's called grfdev
17:44:08  <mczapkie> no, only some my other projects are listed
17:44:34  <frosch123> oh, i did not know it is restriced like that
17:45:18  <frosch123> i changed it for you
17:46:11  <mczapkie> thanks, it works now
17:46:28  <planetmaker> oh hi :)
17:47:06  <mczapkie> so I forgot to define newgrf subproject during initialization and now I was doomed :)
17:50:29  <planetmaker> happens. Nothing which isn't easily fixed. Though yes, not everyone can move projects around :)
17:52:00  <mczapkie> Thanks for help. I must leave, uniteruptible call from wife...
17:52:21  <planetmaker> :D
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18:18:57  <__ln__> is it true that the netherlands is not using 1c and 2c coins anymore?
18:19:57  <Wolf01> what are coins?
18:20:41  <frosch123> they are similar to 2x4 lego bricks
18:20:52  <__ln__> souvenirs
18:21:08  <Alberth> but round and flat instead of rectangular :p
18:21:30  <Wolf01> oh, you meant these: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/291462783945-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
18:21:56  <Alberth> close enough :)
18:22:15  <frosch123> pff, there was no such thing in lego when i used lego
18:22:24  <Alberth> __ln__: yes, I think so, didn't get one in ages
18:22:28  <frosch123> you should build proper coins
18:26:29  <Rubidium> __ln__: lies... most shops round to 5 cent, though there are (some) shops that still give you 1 and 2 cent coins and all companies should accept them
18:29:58  <Wolf01> if you consider that 1c and 2c coins cost more than the value impressed on them, you could get them all and try to sell them to a scrap metal recycling industry
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18:33:57  <frosch123> did the steel price increase?
18:34:00  <Eddi|zuHause> the japanese did that with italian coins in the 70's, then that practice was made illegal
18:34:27  <frosch123> 1cent used to cost 1cent in production in 2009, but production is more expensive than what you get from scrap
18:34:41  <Wolf01> once you hammer them, they aren't coins anymore :P
18:36:39  <Eddi|zuHause> steel is not worth much in scrap, but copper is
18:38:05  <frosch123> 94,35% iron
18:38:24  <frosch123> @calc 2.3*0.0565
18:38:24  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 0.12995
18:38:28  <Eddi|zuHause> that's still 5% copper :p
18:39:56  <frosch123> @calc 2.3*0.0565*3.5/1000
18:39:56  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 0.000454825
18:40:14  <frosch123> yeah, you get 0.045 cent per cent
18:41:55  <frosch123> @calc 2.3*0.0565*4.5/1000
18:41:55  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 0.000584775
18:42:14  <frosch123> ok, the current rate is somewhat better
18:42:23  <frosch123> if it was 100% copper, it would be worth it :)
18:43:34  <Wolf01> maybe they summed production cost too, i can't find the article
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18:47:07  <Eddi|zuHause> if you assume that 20% of production cost is materials, and the 95% iron costs the same as the 5% copper, then you get a production cost of 5*2*0,05, which is 0,5
18:48:12  <Eddi|zuHause> then sprinkle in a bit for distribuition from the mint to the banks
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20:11:59  <greeter> greetings oftc :-D
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20:47:48  <m1cr0man> Hello
20:49:05  <tipsyTentacle> Hello.
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20:51:17  <m1cr0man> (sorry was nick registering) I'm looking to copy my OpenTTD GRFs and stuff from my windows portable install to my linux laptop. I have tried everything, and I just can't get it to detect the GRFs im adding. On top of that, I can't find where the GRFs im downloading as a test are saving to (using find on / as root). Can anyone tell me how I would copy my GRFs?
20:52:28  <FLHerne> m1cr0man: ~/.openttd/newgrf is where you should put them
20:52:47  <FLHerne> Ones downloaded ingame go to ~/.openttd/content_download/newgrf
20:53:23  <FLHerne> Similarly, savegames to ~/.openttd/save
20:54:51  <planetmaker> a hooray to the do-not-readme, chapter 4, section 2 :)
20:55:25  <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/trunk.hg/file/tip/readme.txt#l267
20:55:42  <FLHerne> planetmaker: Is there any way to view the readme ingame? That might help slightly
20:56:01  <planetmaker> I don't think there is
20:56:06  <m1cr0man> FLHerne, I was making sure, but that folder is in .config/openttd
20:56:12  <m1cr0man> also, thats where I was trying to put the files
20:56:23  <tipsyTentacle> :|
20:56:32  <m1cr0man> I'm going to try again from scratch and just log exactly what im doing
20:56:37  <FLHerne> m1cr0man: That's odd, are you using some weirdly-patched distro package?
20:56:40  <planetmaker> m1cr0man, then it's your distro which changed the defaults
20:56:50  <m1cr0man> Lubuntu? Should be standard ubuntu package
20:59:15  <m1cr0man> Ok, so how would they've done that so that I can find out where the heck its putting the GRFs
20:59:26  <planetmaker> oh... it actually depends... :)
20:59:26  <m1cr0man> I mean, how can I change it back?
20:59:26  <planetmaker>    285 		Linux:   $XDG_DATA_HOME/openttd which is usually ~/.local/share/openttd when
20:59:26  <planetmaker>    286 		         built with XDG base directory support, otherwise ~/.openttd
20:59:56  <m1cr0man> echo $XDG_DATA_HOME is blank
21:00:03  <planetmaker> compile
21:00:12  <planetmaker> but there's no need to change it, is there?
21:00:47  <FLHerne> I remember it being normal ~/.openttd when I used Ubunu
21:00:54  <FLHerne> Was a while ago though
21:01:06  <m1cr0man> well there are configs in ~/.config/openttd
21:01:07  <planetmaker> on my ubuntu 14.04 it's ~/.openttd
21:01:21  <m1cr0man> and they do seem to have an effect if I change them
21:01:23  <planetmaker> but... I didn't install from ubuntu repo
21:01:26  <m1cr0man> my lubuntu is 15.04 based
21:01:35  <m1cr0man> oh, I might do that
21:01:49  <planetmaker> use our build ;)
21:02:07  <planetmaker> anyway, the place where it's stored doesn't matter as long as you know it...
21:03:09  <m1cr0man> alright :
21:03:09  <m1cr0man> :P *
21:03:12  <m1cr0man> Im just so impressed that its hiding dl'ed grf's from me. They must be in an archive with some random name
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21:04:55  <planetmaker> it's not hiding them. Everything downloaded from ingame is shipped in tar archives
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21:05:12  <m1cr0man> Ok, and are they given non-relative file names?
21:05:19  <planetmaker> as openttd transparently reads those, it keeps the grfs inside those, nicely bundled with their documentation
21:05:57  <m1cr0man> From the GRFs I have from windows, the tar name matches the GRF
21:06:30  <planetmaker> our content deliver doesn't distinguish your OS; filenames are the same
21:07:00  <planetmaker> *delivery
21:07:01  <m1cr0man> Alright, well thats that confirmed. Thanks
21:07:35  <planetmaker> if openttd finds the newgrfs in one of its search paths, they'll be available
21:08:28  <planetmaker> what *does* differ between OS is the path separator used in your openttd.cfg as windoze uses \ instead of /
21:08:34  <planetmaker> thus any newgrf preset might be broken
21:08:44  <planetmaker> but that shouldn't matter for any existing game
21:10:06  <m1cr0man> wow, I found it. In game, its listed in lower case.
21:10:12  <m1cr0man> its actually storing it in ~/.local/share/openttd too
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21:17:55  <tipsyTentacle> On a different topic, what are some fun people to watch play openttd on youtube?
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21:49:51  <Eddi|zuHause> steam.sh: line 756:  1352 Illegal instruction     $STEAM_DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$STEAMEXEPATH" "$@"
21:49:57  <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't sound right
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22:49:14  <Wolf01> 'night
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