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09:18:35  <George> Hi.
09:19:00  <George> Can anybody tell, why does the patch https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6315 is not in trunck yet?
09:19:10  <George> What is wrong with it?
09:29:17  <blathijs> Looks like it just needs someone (probably frosch) to invest some time in reviewing the new patch agin
09:42:28  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it's because the snow is so catastrophic it destroys all fences, and they have to be rebuilt in the spring :p
09:43:19  <Eddi|zuHause> (the original game had no changing snow levels, so this was less apparent)
09:54:04  <__ln__> George: it's a hundred-line patch.  even two-line patches take 3..6 months to get reviewed.
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09:54:34  <__ln__> so you can extrapolate it'll take 150..300 months to review that.
09:56:12  <OsteHovel> Of ingame time?
09:56:15  <OsteHovel> ;-)
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11:51:43  <George> But the first version was reviewed, so it is not 100 lines of new code ///
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13:20:56  <M-E> Bah humbug
13:21:01  <M-E> freaking timetables
13:23:33  <M-E> Question. I want an untimed (feeder) service bringing coal from a mine to a collection station.
13:23:51  <Wolf01> don't use timetables
13:24:37  <M-E> When the truck is less than, say, 10% full after leaving the mine i want it to stay 90 days in a depot. how would i accomplish that?
13:25:36  <Eddi|zuHause> you can't stay in the depot
13:26:09  <Eddi|zuHause> but you can stay at the station with a "no loading" order
13:26:21  <M-E> 0.o that's weird
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13:26:41  <M-E> why not?
13:26:45  <Eddi|zuHause> that will help preserve the cargo value, but drop your ratings
13:27:08  <Eddi|zuHause> $someone thought it wasn't necessary/useful
13:27:26  <M-E> ah. the old 'DIY' comment, eh
13:27:43  <Eddi|zuHause> not really
13:27:50  <M-E> So, i suppose i'd empty the truck again, and then wait.
13:29:02  <Eddi|zuHause> the same kind of "why the hell would anyone want THAT?" attitude made it take ages for a "no loading and no unloading" order to be possible
13:29:30  <M-E> :/
13:29:52  <Eddi|zuHause> also, nobody really wants small changes to timetables, knowing that a bigger change is necessary, but the bigger change is way too much work
13:30:21  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody "in power", i mean
13:30:47  <M-E> :/
13:30:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i think there is a "wait in depot" patch out there
14:00:46  <Wolf01> mmmh memory leak, 2GB in 15 seconds
14:01:08  <M-E> Oopsie
14:05:14  <planetmaker> Not sure I'd call that 'leak' anymore ;)
14:05:49  <M-E> Sure, if you call the bottom of a bucket falling out a leak
14:05:59  <planetmaker> :)
14:06:23  <Wolf01> the worse thing is that i can't find it, i'm disposing everything i need to dispose and for the other things the garbage collector does it work
14:06:45  <planetmaker> obviously not :)
14:08:32  <Wolf01> it must be in the tiles for sure
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14:12:07  <Wolf01> a bit of caching did the trick
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15:34:43  <Eddi|zuHause> i feel like "hey, look at this door i made" ~ "sure. and could you build a house around it?
15:34:44  <Eddi|zuHause> "
15:42:42  <planetmaker> :P
15:42:56  <planetmaker> rightfully so :)
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17:45:17  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27435 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-04 18:45:08 +0100 )
17:45:18  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:19  <DorpsGek> spanish - 5 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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18:02:11  <frosch123> hoi
18:02:26  <planetmaker> o/
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18:58:25  <George> frosch123: Hi
18:58:57  <George> Could you review the patch https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6315 and help it to go to the trunck?
19:00:38  <frosch123> it's on the list, yes
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19:02:02  <George> Any plan when would you do it? A week or two?
19:03:34  <George> Also, could someone help me with devzone? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/7819 should be moved to xUSSR project
19:06:28  <Alberth> done
19:07:18  <George> Alberth: Thank you
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19:28:32  <Alberth> o/
19:29:59  <Taede>  n
19:30:17  <andythenorth> o/
19:54:04  <andythenorth> is cat?
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19:54:15  <Alberth> it may be here
19:57:21  <andythenorth> good
19:59:26  * andythenorth must to cook
20:00:00  <Wolf01> o/
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20:13:55  <Wolf01> ok, and now geometry exercises...
20:16:50  <andythenorth> arctan(dx, dy)
20:16:53  <andythenorth> and so on
20:17:06  * andythenorth misses games programming
20:17:21  <andythenorth> can’t even remember how to do it
20:17:35  <andythenorth> but there was a lot of 180 - radtodeg(some trigonometry)
20:17:44  <andythenorth> which basically keeps the monsters looking at you
20:18:44  <Wolf01> the first thing i need to do is to get in which tile of the map is a given point
20:18:55  <Wolf01> and that should be easy
20:19:37  <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> arctan(dx, dy) <-- did you mean "arctan(dy/dx)"?
20:20:16  <Eddi|zuHause> there's occasionally an arctan2
20:20:51  <Eddi|zuHause> which abstracts this thing, and the sign stuff away
20:21:16  <andythenorth> I did mean that yes
20:21:31  <andythenorth> and it was probably cos anyway :P
20:21:40  <andythenorth> dunno, it’s maybe 5 years since I did this
20:21:41  <Eddi|zuHause> (the sign stuff is to determine which quadrant you're in, to do this 180 correction)
20:22:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure it's more like 10 years ago for me :p
20:22:38  <Alberth> and such problems are so much fun
20:22:42  <Wolf01> ok, i understand i need to take out the school books, i don't remember anything about trigonometry :P
20:22:50  <Eddi|zuHause> cos probably doesn't get you very far (unless you do some crazy theorems)
20:23:04  <andythenorth> I think this was probably the last game I made http://www.y8.com/games/ultimate_dog_racer
20:23:17  <andythenorth> (you have to place bets at the beginning, which the UI does not make obvious)
20:23:53  <Alberth> Wolf01:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometry   we uze the webz nowadays :p
20:24:25  <Wolf01> but i have commented examples and more use cases :P
20:24:44  <Alberth> fair enough :)
20:25:00  <Rubidium> Wolf01: you remember quite a lot, for starters the name and that a circle has 360 degrees ;)
20:25:14  <Alberth> good night
20:25:21  <Wolf01> 'night Alberth
20:25:22  <Alberth> not to mention you need a circle :p
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20:25:32  <Rubidium> there's plenty of people who wouldn't even know those things
20:27:10  <Wolf01> i used to think in radiants, it's easier when you get the idea on how it works :P
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20:34:31  <Wolf01> also, this is a good source of learning http://www.cpcwiki.eu/index.php/User_Manual
20:34:44  <Wolf01> i started with this about 20 years ago :P
20:34:55  <Eddi|zuHause> you should learn to think in fractions of tau
20:34:59  <Wolf01> (i still have it on my smartphone)
20:35:27  <Eddi|zuHause> (where tau=2pi)
20:35:45  <Wolf01> i think i studied that too
20:35:57  <Eddi|zuHause> so 1tau=one circle, 0.5tau = 1/2 circle
20:36:05  <Wolf01> but the last year of school was confusing :P
20:37:05  <Eddi|zuHause> last year? we had trigonometry way earlier
20:37:33  <Eddi|zuHause> like 9th grade (of 12)
20:38:49  <Wolf01> yes, we had earlier too, but the last year we started to use trigonometry everywhere, and each field had different names for the same things
20:40:06  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like mechanics, and electronics, and ...?
20:40:13  <andythenorth> and ugh
20:40:14  <Wolf01> also filters in electronics were a mix of trigonometric functions and complex numbers
20:40:25  <andythenorth> the fragmentation of overlapping concepts into pointless specialisms
20:40:26  <andythenorth> :(
20:41:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i think the concept of AC as complex numbers wasn't conveyed well in school
20:41:28  * andythenorth stopped going to school mostly, after the age of 14
20:41:32  <andythenorth> it was very boring
20:41:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i had some really fun times in school
20:42:07  <Eddi|zuHause> but also some crazy and stressful ones
20:42:21  <Eddi|zuHause> and some just plain bad
20:42:39  <Wolf01> me too, i like to learn and understand those things, but i have bad times when i need to put them together and use them
20:43:44  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that was always the worst part of school. the gap between the things taught, and how they actually apply to the outside world
20:44:11  <Wolf01> "eh we won't even use a trigonometric function outside school"... here it is
20:44:26  <Wolf01> i also use complex numbers every now and then
20:44:56  <Eddi|zuHause> like, i was always a "good" student in english, but i never really learned to actually use it in conversations, until i joined the internet (about a year after school)
20:45:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i found complex numbers really intriguing even before we had them in school
20:45:39  <Wolf01> i started to perform better in english at school as soon as i started to join internet :P
20:45:51  <Eddi|zuHause> (this was in like 7th grade, and i knew basically nothing about "actual" maths)
20:46:35  <Eddi|zuHause> i still can't properly speak english, because i only use written english
20:46:45  <Wolf01> me too :|
20:47:10  <Wolf01> i can read everything except american slangs and aussie
20:47:14  <Eddi|zuHause> even my parents laughed about my accent that one time i actually spoke english on the phone :p
20:48:24  <Wolf01> i'm not so bad on writing (i admit i do the same errors in italian too), but when i try to talk i say only some words like "yes, no, fine thanks"
20:51:03  <Wolf01> that's because i'm really shy too and i don't like to talk to other people without be acquainted with them
21:02:18  <__ln__> http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/researchers-conduct-successful-new-tests-of-emdrive/
21:05:27  <Wolf01> and then they discover the force shields by mistake
21:11:42  * andythenorth considers playing ttd
21:11:45  <andythenorth> or ottd
21:11:50  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: so, what perpetuum mobile will we discuss next week?
21:13:45  <__ln__> that's up to you, i guess
21:14:33  <__ln__> besides, emdrive is not claimed to be perpetuum mobile
21:15:13  <frosch123> i once had an emdriver
21:15:27  <frosch123> emm386 or so
21:17:56  <__ln__> good for you, i only had that in my pc
21:20:50  <Wolf01> mmmh, interesting, the list of colliding tiles is empty, but i'm sure the bounding box touches at least 4 tiles
21:21:23  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: well, it seems to contradict conservation of momentum, so it's equally "perpetuum-mobil-y" as things that violate conservation of energy the 2nd law of thermodynamics
21:25:03  <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: but if the upcoming peer reviewed paper shows more evidence that it works nevertheless, what should we think about it then?
21:26:36  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: certainly not blindly believing a generic news-type that picked out the most headline-y thing to get some kind of virality out of it
21:27:39  <Rubidium> sounds like a "heh we found something we couldn't find a reason for, please destroy this paper"-type of paper
21:27:55  <Rubidium> like the faster than light neutrinos a few years back
21:28:53  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that. where they said "we think this is probably a measurement error", but all the newspapers were like "EINSTEIN DISPROVEN!!!1!einself"
21:29:40  <__ln__> i thought we learned that the speed of light can be exceeded by using a broken cable
21:29:43  <__ln__> in italy
21:29:56  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that was that thing we're talking about
21:30:43  <__ln__> so... to build a warp engine, one would need ... a bunch of broken cables and italian engineers?
21:32:05  <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's an actual theory about a warp drive, but it would take a jupiter-sized planet as fuel, and you need to build like a hyperspace lane between here and where you want to go
21:33:05  <Eddi|zuHause> and some "negative energy" type thing which we have no clue how to actually physically create
21:33:53  <__ln__> aww, so close, but not quite
21:34:14  <Wolf01> __ln__ also the school minister at the time of that news said we have a tunnel between the cern and the gran sasso laboratories which was used to do the test... good words from a school minister
21:35:08  <Rubidium> Wolf01: there's mostly nothing between those two laboratories
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21:35:31  <Eddi|zuHause> from the view of the neutrino, it's basically empty :p
21:36:42  <Eddi|zuHause> except for that random idiot that actually managed to hit a water molecule
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