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00:04:07 <Flygon> Huh? 00:04:11 <Flygon> They're not little 00:05:49 <drac_boy> I was partially just joking .. still think of that gauge-related misshap you mentioned some time ago too 00:08:35 <drac_boy> either way flygon another kind of topic .. would you have liked to see this 3800hp thing http://www.trainweb.org/arkansastrains/railroad/upsd60/up6054/P0001823.JPG basically being neglected to running over light industrial rails with a single boxcar at just 25kph? 00:08:58 <Flygon> Happens all the time here xP 00:10:20 <drac_boy> heh sometimes crews weren't always happy with it (different visibility or the problem with making the traction motor not go too fast between notch 0 and 1) but many of the times it happened because there was only one locomotive normally assigned and one day its out of order at the shed so they just have to grab something random nearby 00:10:52 <drac_boy> that example I recalled of above was actually normally assigned to an old SW1200 so heh no comment 00:12:24 <Flygon> The notch thing... 00:12:31 <Flygon> When the XPT was being built and tested here 00:12:38 <Flygon> It originally had around 16ish notches 00:13:15 <Flygon> NSWGR's engineers intentionally lowered that to 6 or so, because they were genuinely afraid that the XPT locos would be used for freight purposes otherwise 00:13:18 <drac_boy> let me guess..it soon didn't have 16? 00:13:35 <Flygon> Dunno about the UK, but it would've been ridiculous to see what's essentially a Class 43 running around towing Iron Ore 00:13:35 <drac_boy> 6? umm thats asking for wheelslip control problem with less fine controls 0_o 00:13:51 <Flygon> They wanted less notches to make freight less attractive 00:15:02 <drac_boy> the funny thing is the small hardcover Deltic book I got (yep..that uk tri-opposited pistons thing) was that they had to add a few more intermediate contacts to the throttle as many less experienced drivers were having problem with frequent wheelslips in wet tunnels and more 00:16:43 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d82006e.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:06 <drac_boy> even then the Deltic generally only got express assignments .. freight was almost nonexisting (aside to in-kind assistances) 00:18:20 <drac_boy> afaik .. I could be wrong if someone knew some photos that said otherwise 00:20:27 <Flygon> I'm running entirely off memory here myself 00:20:41 <drac_boy> flygon btw who the hell want to put a class 43 on freight especially with no flagman/shunter platform and very questionable rear visibility? :P 00:21:08 <Flygon> drac_boy: Well, based on previous example set by VR and NSWGR (and no doubt the other state railways) 00:21:16 <Flygon> NSWGR 00:21:27 <Flygon> It was very common for spare pax. locos to be used for freight 00:21:33 <Flygon> Either in assisting or sole hauling 00:21:55 <drac_boy> heh I see ... well this one does make sense considering theres no shunting needed so lack of crew and not needing to look back didn't matter http://www.railpage.org.au/pix/XPT/X2000_Tahmoor.jpg 00:22:05 <Flygon> Cue R-Class Steam Locos used by VR to haul heavy freight... despite being designed purely as an express passenger loco 00:22:24 <Flygon> Shame the X2000 programe didn't take off 00:22:29 <drac_boy> not sure why but that looks like a top-n-tail (or push-pull whatever term it is) set 00:22:30 <Flygon> They were trialling the set to see how it'd go 00:22:32 <Flygon> It was a success 00:22:33 <drac_boy> theres something else on the rear 00:22:40 <Flygon> It's a tilt train attached to an XPT 00:22:51 <Flygon> There's two XPT locos hauling an EMU 00:23:09 <Flygon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_2000 00:23:11 <drac_boy> ahhh .. weird (unless they needed it to run bidirectional) 00:23:57 <drac_boy> even when the amtrak ICE was tested here .. the diesels were only at one end but mm different geography tho I guess 00:24:00 <Flygon> A single XPT wouldn't have enough power to hit 160 00:24:50 <drac_boy> hmm 160kph .. what engine did the xpt come built with or was it same as the 43's? 00:25:16 <Flygon> Up til the 90s, they shared the same engines 00:25:23 <Flygon> I think they got renewed with the same engine too 00:25:27 <Flygon> Not entirely sure 00:25:33 <Flygon> I am not hugely savvy on NSW 00:25:43 <Flygon> And Pikka must be at work 00:25:50 <Flygon> Or whoever the other New South Welsh here were 00:26:50 <drac_boy> flygon ah..probably put in something different because last I recall the 43 aka hst had like 2*2000hp but was made for 200kph maximum service speed with quite a number of coaches 00:27:09 <Flygon> Well.... 00:27:14 <drac_boy> acceleration might be the thing here tho me think 00:27:21 <Flygon> The ratings were intentionally written down lower for the XPT 00:27:26 <Flygon> Because... it's complicated 00:27:35 <drac_boy> heh I don't really want to ask anyway :) 00:27:37 <Flygon> Basically, they wanted the engines to be thrashed around less for maintainence purposs 00:27:40 <Flygon> purposes* 00:27:48 <Flygon> And they were regeared for faster acceleration 00:27:57 <Flygon> Hence why the speed record with an XPT set is 193km/h 00:28:34 <drac_boy> flygon which xpt livery do you think you like better? 00:28:36 <Flygon> This ties up pretty neatly with how the Class 43 suppose to do 200 but hit 241 in testing 00:28:55 <Flygon> http://www.local-community.com.au/images/xpt-travelling.jpg 00:30:19 <drac_boy> dark blue one? hmm interesting 00:30:37 <Flygon> 2nd preference is the Indian Red 00:30:59 <drac_boy> I thought the dark reddish one kind matches a lot of the australia landscape better :) 00:31:03 <drac_boy> heh 00:32:47 <drac_boy> btw wiki seem to say the original xpt had 2000bhp instead of 2250bhp rating .. thats not much of a drop 00:33:18 <drac_boy> and not surprisingly budd-built instead of uk-built coaches which seem to make sense considering the interior layout differences 00:35:00 <drac_boy> btw flygon ummm uhhh if you liked the xpt then I don't know if you want hear what happened last year http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/media-releases/budget-delivers-9-billion-public-transport-services-and-infrastructure 00:35:17 <Flygon> Mate, the XPT was dead a decade ago 00:35:25 <Flygon> The issue is we don't know what'll replace it 00:35:46 <drac_boy> well the hst is still being difficult to kill off (they even got completely re-engined if the new livery wasn't already a sign) .. so you never really know yet 00:35:49 <Flygon> So the railfanning community is suspecting the word "Bus" will be somewhere in the NSW Government's head 00:35:57 <Flygon> Mate... 00:36:02 <Flygon> I think you're too enthusiastic 00:36:12 <Flygon> The current NSW Government is extremely anti-rail 00:36:19 <Flygon> Have you read up on the Newcastle Line Saga? 00:36:26 <Flygon> You know a situation's gotten fucking ridiculous 00:36:39 <drac_boy> nothing wrong with banting a bit is there? beside theres always that quote "if its not broken then don't fix it!" 00:36:41 <Flygon> When the Indigenous Aboriginal population is launching a native land claim 00:36:41 <drac_boy> :P 00:36:47 <Flygon> For the sake of keeping a fucking railway line 00:37:01 <Flygon> NOBODY wants it closed 00:37:15 <Flygon> But there's a LOT of money in brown paper bags being thrown at the Government by land developers _> 00:37:17 <Flygon> >_>* 00:37:21 <Flygon> It's public knowledge 00:37:24 <Flygon> Even Interstate 00:37:29 <drac_boy> flygon if you want to complain a lot more then do that in front of the man who caused the infamous Breech Axe in uk :) 00:37:44 <Flygon> I know about the breeching axe, drac 00:37:51 <Flygon> Both NSW and VIC went through that process 30 years ago 00:37:55 <Flygon> It left us traumatized. 00:38:29 <Flygon> It's why people get so utterly furious the moment the prospect of a trainline closing is brought up 00:38:49 <drac_boy> btw you're not the only one...politics in usa are apparently getting roadbollocked between taking more money from AT&T/etc and ever more people each rolling month complaining about lack of reasonable phone services :-s 00:39:11 <Flygon> Yeah, but 00:39:14 <drac_boy> but I'm guessing that as long as the politics are still quietly taking money from the big companies this probably isn't going to end easily 00:39:19 <Flygon> I gave up on the USA decades ago xP 00:39:31 <Flygon> But this is Australia. We're suppose to HAVE standards. But they're being whittled away... 00:40:27 * drac_boy gives flygon an iron-hard shovel to whack some brass heads with together 00:40:28 <drac_boy> :) 00:40:51 <drac_boy> knock sense in them I say (only if!) heh 00:42:42 <Flygon> Derp 00:43:34 <drac_boy> oh btw that reminds me of a steam photo .. one sec... 00:46:28 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:56 <Flygon> brb irl stuff x.x 00:48:12 <drac_boy> http://wiki.prov.vic.gov.au/images/8/88/12800-P0001-000009-130.jpg seem they ran the coaches as a 'set' what with the observation hump being at both ends 00:48:29 <drac_boy> thats the only one pre-electrificated tait photo I've ever seen atm too 00:56:44 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a4LO67y_460sv.mp4 O_O 00:57:26 <drac_boy> hi wolf01 00:58:10 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:58:16 <Wolf01> o/ 00:58:46 <drac_boy> oh and flygon when you're back I recalled .. you mentioned about slide vs slam doors on the tait .. well .. heres a funny one . train in europe had its door ripped off at high speed due to the shockwave of two trains passing together in tunnel :-> 00:58:59 <drac_boy> I'll have to find which of the recent magazine that crazy blurb was in 00:59:07 <drac_boy> talk about bad doorway design tho 00:59:29 <drac_boy> and hows you wolf01 00:59:57 <Wolf01> 6 more minutes and i'll go to sleep 01:00:06 <drac_boy> heh ok have a good sleep then wolf01 01:06:05 <Wolf01> then... night 01:06:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:11:03 <Flygon> drac_boy: Yowee 01:12:49 <drac_boy> flygon yeah..someone seem to have forgotten to test the doors for when two 200+kph trains pass by close together :) 01:12:54 <drac_boy> or thats what I think 01:13:15 * Flygon rubs forehead 01:13:20 <Flygon> Bloody hell 01:13:33 <Flygon> Even the VLos have doors designed against this 01:16:11 <drac_boy> flygon and btw when they talked about the eurostar trains having poor winter shock performance a reader pointed out that when db wanted to test their new electric locomotive some years ago they sent it to some tunnel in swizterland where it could be under -20 outside but the tunnel was well over 5 inside, a good shock to test a locomotive with! 01:16:31 <drac_boy> (this was when the infamous chunnel tunnel stuckup happened in december) 01:16:37 <Flygon> Heheh 01:16:56 <drac_boy> of course the db locomotive never had any problem in its service :) 01:17:45 <drac_boy> one sad thing about the eurostar story was the coverup tho...it turned out that many of the sets did not even have their snow covers placed on (so yep...lot of snow in traction motor vents and so on) and this was in late december 0_o 01:19:14 <drac_boy> flygon mind you some of the usa trains had to deal with it to a small degree too .. both Southern Pacific and Santa Fe specifically .. nothing like a grassy sunny weather when train enters tunnel .. then when it comes out theres snow everywhere! 01:19:36 <drac_boy> bit of extreme climate difference I know..but it was 'normal' for them tho 01:19:39 <Flygon> Man... 01:19:48 <Flygon> Here, the worst you get is flooding xP 01:20:20 <Flygon> (cue Trams and Trains (EMUs) operating inside floodwaters... it was deemed less risky to blow up the train/tram getting it the hell out of there, rather than leaving it parked in floodwaters) 01:20:25 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:16 <drac_boy> flygon and you wonder why some steam locomotives were kept in working order for an unusually long time .. the topo map usually gives you a clue aka having to semi-ford trains through very wide shallow-flood area 01:21:30 <drac_boy> even the GP9 at the time often could fail 01:21:33 * Flygon nod 01:22:24 <drac_boy> mind you diesel-hydraulics (mainly an europe thing ofc) could just waddle through without much fuss as there was almost no electricals to be found (unless trackside signal contacts counted) below the chassis line 01:24:32 <drac_boy> flygon this land seem very flat doesn't it? ;) https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6111/6357946099_284bb757af_b.jpg 01:24:58 <Flygon> It's South-East Asia 01:25:03 <Flygon> The last time they gave a crap was WWII xP 01:25:17 <drac_boy> not deep enough but still goes to show why having no traction motor means noone cares :) 01:25:39 <Flygon> Victoria should try exporting them VLos :P 01:26:36 <Flygon> Assuming they can afford 2,000 litres of fuel for a 50km journey 01:26:39 <drac_boy> flygon btw I forgot the story that I recall reading somewhere before but this was a bit of bad harbour flooding during the 1910's https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3c/1e/dc/3c1edc7fa895e63c09bc248825df4fc4.jpg 01:26:56 <drac_boy> almost deep enough to lap the cab floor but...umm who cared right? 01:27:11 <Flygon> What freaks me most about these sort of floods isn't so much the vehicle being affected 01:27:15 <Flygon> But the TRACKS 01:28:01 <drac_boy> heh .. yeah out in the open I can agree about ballast issues :-s 01:28:13 <drac_boy> in the city rails they were usually poured into the cement stuff tho 01:28:26 <Flygon> Noooooooooooooooooooooooot in Melbourne. 01:28:56 <drac_boy> ah heh 01:29:19 <Flygon> Which's stupid 01:29:19 <drac_boy> anyhow flygon have fun with the rest of your day till some next time ok? I'm going off for a bit re some things to sort out for tomorrow 01:29:25 <Flygon> Because slab track would solve a lot of our problems 01:29:32 <drac_boy> maybe we'll find a new topic (or just continue about crappy rail waters) then ;) 01:29:35 <Flygon> Perhaps we should convert to slab track the same time we SGize the network >_> 01:29:39 <Flygon> Sleep well! 01:30:17 * drac_boy mutters Sh*tty Gauge then runs off laughing about that :p 01:30:18 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@modemcable027.125-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 01:31:36 <Flygon> If it was up to me 01:31:40 <Flygon> It'd all be brunel gauge >_> 01:44:00 <sim-al2> *construction costs intensify* 01:46:02 <Flygon> sim: Well, it's 170 years late, either way xP 01:46:35 <sim-al2> Clearly the answer is variable gauge axles (oh god the maintenace costs) 01:47:07 <Flygon> To me, the real progression path is clear 01:47:26 <Flygon> SG as much standard rail in the country as possible (Queensland's pmuch fakked tho) 01:47:41 <Flygon> And build new intercity networks using SCMaglev 01:48:20 <Flygon> Like, a standard HST line would do Melbourne-Seymour-Shepperton-Albury/Wodonga-Wagga-Canberra-Sydney (I'm missing a lot of cities NSW-half sorry) 01:48:32 <Flygon> Whereas Maglev would basically be an express journey... 01:48:42 <Flygon> Melbourne-Albury/Wodonga-Wagga-Canberra-Sydney 01:48:46 <sim-al2> I suppose maglev will work for high density corridors, ala Shinkansen, but elimination all backwards compatibility really hurts any chance of regional devolpments 01:48:55 <Flygon> Mate... 01:48:59 <Flygon> The thing is 01:49:05 <Flygon> The MINIMUM distance between stops is so large 01:49:20 <Flygon> Due to various factors over how SCMaglev inherently works 01:49:32 <Flygon> That density ALONG the corridore doesn't matter 01:49:46 <Flygon> Only the amount of patronage at the stops 01:50:03 <Flygon> The cities I've highlighted are very popular air route destinations along the same corridore 01:50:32 <Flygon> Given, presuming SCMaglev can safely hit 800-900km/h without a fuss, the ability to probably out-speed actual aircraft, even with stops, for a Melb-Syd trip 01:50:36 <Flygon> You'll... uhm 01:50:42 <Flygon> Capture a lot of patronage 01:51:15 <sim-al2> To reach those speeds pratically guarentees end-to-end only 01:51:30 <Flygon> Ehh... 01:51:37 <Flygon> There's more than 100km between stops 01:51:42 <Flygon> The speeds will be hit easily 02:29:54 *** [Franklin] [~me@cpe-71-71-39-6.triad.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:10 *** [Franklin] [~me@cpe-71-71-39-6.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:44:28 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:23:33 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66BDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5316.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:40:44 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 06:46:32 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:34 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:53 <andythenorth> o/ 08:10:03 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 08:41:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 09:10:57 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:48 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:56 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08e10b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:51 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:22 <Wolf01> moin 10:35:14 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58 10:51:44 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.183.59] has joined #openttd 11:28:01 <Flygon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q55EfuVYNW0 Guys. I have an OpenTTD request. 11:28:24 <Flygon> Let electric trains pass through non-electric gaps like this so I can build tracks through airport runway :D 11:29:12 <Wolf01> multiple engines does not work? 11:30:14 <Flygon> Wolf01: Top speed limitations 11:30:22 <Flygon> I can't attach a Diesel to the TGV! 11:30:31 <Flygon> I wanna cruise through dat airport runway at 320 :D 11:30:35 <Wolf01> eh 11:31:07 <Flygon> :DDD 11:31:35 <Wolf01> change the tgv to fake an electric engine with one head :D 11:32:20 <Flygon> xP 11:32:23 <Flygon> srsly tho 11:32:54 <Wolf01> fully electric dual headed train can't go in normal rails? 11:32:54 <Flygon> This's the most ridiculously simple solution I've seen to such a big problem 11:51:03 <Wolf01> "big problem" 11:51:31 <Wolf01> nothing that couldn't be addressed with a small dose of newgrfs 11:59:16 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:25 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:00 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:36:06 *** kais58 is now known as kais58|AFK 12:49:26 <Flygon> Wolf01: I actually meant the video 12:49:34 <Flygon> It's of almost no use in OpenTTD 12:57:41 <Wolf01> symple yes, but it still requires 2 electric engines in "R" world 12:58:25 <Wolf01> i don't know if it would cost less to run 2 engines for every train just to pass the gap or simply find another solution 12:58:36 <Wolf01> maybe that was the quick one 12:59:29 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:07 <Flygon> xP 13:25:03 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:28:16 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:37 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58 13:44:00 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host105-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:44:00 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest9653 13:44:00 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 13:47:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 13:47:58 <Wolf01> o/ 13:49:48 <Wolf01> andythenorth, a good gallery for wordpress (best if free) which allows albums and wpml? 13:49:56 *** Guest9653 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:07 <andythenorth> dunno :) 13:50:31 <andythenorth> I am wrong person to ask about wordpress 13:50:42 <Wolf01> after installing nggallery i suddenly recognised why it was shitty :| 13:50:48 <andythenorth> wordpress ate my christmas 2 years ago 13:51:45 <Wolf01> i don't work with wordpress too, but a friend asked for a gallery in his site :| 13:55:01 <Wolf01> the bad thing is that if you search for "wordpress gallery *something*" on google, it shows ONLY nextgen gallery 13:56:59 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:10:41 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:25:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 14:41:47 *** LadyHawk [~LadyHawk@5751e87a.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:12 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 15:30:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:43:18 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:33 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:33 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 15:46:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:52:40 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:52:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 15:53:08 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has quit [] 15:53:30 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 15:53:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:07:19 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d08e10b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:19:52 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:31 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:30:07 *** Rejf [rejf@nintendos.pl] has joined #openttd 16:37:16 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:28 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-177.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 16:50:25 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 16:51:42 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:28 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-177.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6A0BD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:28:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:38:17 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest9680 17:38:17 *** Guest9680 [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 17:39:48 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:56:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:01:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 18:05:48 <Alberth> o/ 18:06:47 <FR^2> \o 18:08:58 <Sylf> <o/ 18:11:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0088c6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:47 <Alberth> quak 18:16:53 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:05 <frosch123> hola 18:17:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:21:04 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:33:00 <Zuu> Hello 18:34:34 <frosch123> ho 18:35:00 <FR^2> hehe, just came across http://linkis.com/fahrinfo.vbb.de/bin/PgrXF -- reminds me of openttd ;) 18:35:41 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:54 <Alberth> ha :) 18:38:13 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db51a29.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:38:29 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C5B6100196C830944C005A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:10 <Rubidium> and that reminds me of http://spoorkaart.mwnn.nl/ 18:39:48 <FR^2> :D 18:45:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27455 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-23 19:45:08 +0100 ) 18:45:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:19 <DorpsGek> spanish - 4 changes by SilverSurferZzZ 18:51:46 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 18:52:16 <planetmaker> good evening :) 18:53:37 <V453000> hy 18:54:13 <Alberth> oddink 19:01:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:26 <Mazur> low 19:08:04 <andythenorth> bonjour 19:08:34 *** slaca [~slaca@80-95-67-143.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 19:08:35 <andythenorth> pyrites eh? 19:10:32 <andythenorth> itâs interesting watching Baldyâs Boss 19:10:47 <andythenorth> heâs determined to find a non-existent rational under-pinning for the game 19:11:02 <slaca> hi guys, I have a problem with changing the board style in ttforums. I go to board preferences, than go my board style choose subsilver, than submit. It changes the theme, but next time I go to the forum, its style is ttstyle again. What can be the problem? 19:11:12 <andythenorth> are you logged in? 19:11:16 <slaca> yes 19:11:24 <andythenorth> and is your browser clearing cookies aggressively? 19:11:33 <slaca> dunno 19:12:04 <slaca> how can I know tah? 19:12:08 <andythenorth> I use subsilver with no problems, but forums (or my browser) sometimes disagree about cookies for weeks at a time, and log me out, which reverts the theme 19:12:08 <slaca> that 19:12:25 <andythenorth> I think thatâs caused by cookies anyway 19:14:29 <andythenorth> you could post here? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=21 19:16:31 <slaca> i will 19:16:46 <slaca> it worked ok until today 19:17:09 <slaca> maybe something happened when i logged in on mobile 19:17:47 <andythenorth> oskari89: pyrites is a winning suggestion btw 19:18:00 <andythenorth> itâs a mine, and can make chemicals directly 19:18:13 <andythenorth> or go via a chemical plant 19:18:46 <andythenorth> it could optionally also produce other metals, including gold and copper, or zinc, lead, silver, or iron 19:18:51 <andythenorth> but thatâs confusing :) 19:19:32 <Alberth> clearly the game must have a plan, or you'd be lost, wouldn't you? 19:20:57 <andythenorth> I am certain that real life is just the same 19:21:03 <andythenorth> if only I could figure out the plan 19:21:04 <andythenorth> :P 19:21:26 <andythenorth> âsomebody must have designed the game and there must be a correct set of choices' 19:22:53 <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pn9ytwehb?/pn9ytwehb <- reduce eints upload time from 6 minutes to 1 :p 19:23:46 <Eearslya> meow 19:24:00 <Alberth> ha, nice frosch123 :) 19:26:00 <andythenorth> nice touch :) 19:40:55 <frosch123> Alberth: we have various coop and ottd specific changes to eints, mostly the layout 19:41:03 <frosch123> but also various additional scripts 19:41:28 <frosch123> i am wondering about creating some forks of eints as subprojects on #devzone 19:42:07 <frosch123> so that both coop and ottd can use a plani checkout, without local patch queues or similar 19:42:51 <Alberth> hmm, hg isn't really designed for this, is it 19:43:04 <Alberth> or any other vcs, for that matter 19:43:30 <planetmaker> for what? 19:43:30 <frosch123> well, three branches, which stay separate forever :) 19:43:52 <frosch123> main-eints gets merged into ottd-eints and coop-eints 19:43:58 <Alberth> in hg, that would be 3 repos 19:44:00 <frosch123> but there are never merges back 19:44:01 <planetmaker> can't it be done by a config file which is site-specific? 19:44:08 <frosch123> Alberth: yes, 3 repos 19:44:11 <planetmaker> can be 3 branches in hg, too 19:44:33 <frosch123> i also want to keep the main eints repo clean from coop and ottd specific stuff 19:44:39 <planetmaker> but 3 repos is easier 19:44:44 <planetmaker> cleaner, yes 19:45:54 <frosch123> planetmaker: coop-eints is https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/devzone-eints/repository 19:45:58 <Alberth> another option would be a build step in some form, but that may be complicated 19:45:59 <frosch123> currently a patch queue 19:46:05 <planetmaker> you created that now? 19:46:06 <frosch123> but i can also stay a queue 19:46:18 <frosch123> planetmaker: no, it was there frome the beginning :) 19:46:22 <Alberth> so yeah, make a few forks sounds like the best option 19:46:22 <planetmaker> ok :) 19:46:49 <frosch123> but currently it is private 19:47:02 <planetmaker> nowadays I'd probably make a new clone, make the repository non-publishing and keep the specific changes as draft changesets on top 19:47:08 <planetmaker> rebasing them when necessary 19:47:42 <planetmaker> (has nothing to do with private or not, though :D ) 19:48:09 <frosch123> not-pbulishing sounds terrible from a data point of view 19:48:31 <frosch123> you always have checkouts on different machines, so you need to sync them 19:48:46 <planetmaker> it is not exactly what one may think. It simply means that a changeset pushed there does not get phase 'public' but remains mutable in phase 'draft' 19:48:55 <planetmaker> the syncing happens just the same 19:49:29 <planetmaker> it's basically what you can do with git push --force 19:49:43 <planetmaker> and then another person doing git fetch 19:50:41 <frosch123> since when do you do git comparisons? :p 19:50:56 <planetmaker> since today or so... I'm not sure whether it's correct :P 19:51:27 <frosch123> ah, well, i guess i'll do it for ottd then 19:51:30 <planetmaker> but there's otherwise nothing else to compare to. The difference is that hg keeps obsolescence markers when using a non-publishing repo. Thus the old versions are still there. Just hidden 19:51:37 <frosch123> can't be bothered to sort out the coop queue 19:51:49 <frosch123> it can just stay like that, noone has to pull it from the outside 19:51:55 <planetmaker> could use kallithea to conveniently fork the repo 19:52:36 <frosch123> i always used the web-interface for forking 19:52:43 <planetmaker> yup, easiest :) 19:52:53 <planetmaker> and it keeps the related information up2date 19:53:09 <frosch123> hmm, i recall there was an auto-pull option 19:53:17 <frosch123> would that maintain a second head? 19:53:34 <planetmaker> you lost me... what do you talk about? 19:53:37 <frosch123> (auto-pull as in cyclic pulls in the future) 19:53:46 <planetmaker> in kallithea? 19:54:06 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: I'll be Bach] 19:54:11 <frosch123> i thought kallithea had an option to keep the repository updating, i.e. as mirror from some other repo 19:54:38 <planetmaker> hm, I don't recall. But that doesn't mean anything. I simply never looked for that either 19:56:56 <planetmaker> options->remote ? 19:57:17 <planetmaker> which repo is a forked repo? 19:57:19 <frosch123> yes, together with settings->remote 19:57:27 <frosch123> redfish? 19:58:11 <frosch123> hmm, remote repository looks more like a push 19:58:20 <frosch123> rather than a pull 19:58:27 <frosch123> which would only work for one repository 19:58:32 <frosch123> so, likely something different 19:58:48 <planetmaker> description has PULL in it though 19:58:55 <planetmaker> Optional: URL of a remote repository. If set, the repository can be pulled from this URL. 19:59:01 <andythenorth> what significant differences do the forks support? 19:59:26 <frosch123> planetmaker: yes, but i have no idea what the "can" means 19:59:34 <planetmaker> pull requests in principle, I think 19:59:57 <frosch123> hmm, my eints is stuck in an infinite loop 20:00:01 <frosch123> when upoading the base language 20:00:04 <frosch123> did i break something? 20:01:16 <planetmaker> actually pull requests not only in principle. But also actually 20:01:17 *** qwebirc34315 [~oftc-webi@69-20-187-213.wifi4all.it] has joined #openttd 20:02:15 <qwebirc34315> Hello everybody. Just installed OpenTTD 1.5.2 but when I buy a train in 2040 (tried to test maglev trains) I click on a train depot but there is no trains available. What am I missing? 20:02:59 <Alberth> you built a maglev depot? 20:03:04 <planetmaker> missed that maglev trains can only be bought in maglev depots? 20:03:14 <qwebirc34315> yes, dammit. Thank you 20:03:43 <qwebirc34315> gonna read documentation, bye! 20:04:18 <frosch123> oh, it finished 20:04:29 <frosch123> pmd.create_statistics(None) took 5 minutes or more ... 20:05:07 *** qwebirc34315 [~oftc-webi@69-20-187-213.wifi4all.it] has quit [] 20:05:16 <planetmaker> hm 20:05:17 <andythenorth> bah 20:05:26 <planetmaker> that's with openttd langs? 20:05:35 <andythenorth> IRL, mining metallic ores is not neat and tidy like in TTD 20:05:36 <andythenorth> http://www.first-quantum.com/Our-Business/operating-mines/Pyhasalmi/default.aspx 20:05:39 <frosch123> oh, out of memory 20:05:41 <frosch123> the swap is runing :p 20:05:46 <andythenorth> copper, zinc, pyrite from one mine ^^ :P 20:05:54 <andythenorth> in other cases, iron ore and phosphates from the same mine 20:06:02 <frosch123> ok, increasing memory for the vm 20:06:12 <planetmaker> :) 20:07:11 <frosch123> apparently 800mib is not enough for ottd-eints 20:09:45 <planetmaker> hm, a lot 20:10:35 <frosch123> 2698 openttd 20 0 1016m 972m 3888 S 0.0 63.0 0:22.37 python3 <- 972 RES just after start, just due to reading the project from disk 20:10:53 *** slaca [~slaca@80-95-67-143.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:22 <frosch123> it takes only half of that on the real openttd.org :p 20:13:28 <frosch123> what is wrong with python on my vm? :p 20:13:52 <andythenorth> which python is it? 20:14:29 <frosch123> 3.2.3 vs 3.4.2 20:14:37 <frosch123> at least the 3.4.2 one is the better one 20:14:44 <frosch123> i could update my vm to jessie 20:15:04 <frosch123> is there hope that that is reason? 20:16:31 <planetmaker> I think so 20:24:03 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 20:44:01 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 20:44:03 <drac_boy> hi 20:53:29 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:57:11 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:40 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:48 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:19:07 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:21:39 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:22:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:25:11 <andythenorth> cargo label for Pyrite Ore? o_O 21:25:26 <andythenorth> most ore cargos are _ORE :P 21:28:10 <drac_boy> PORE what else :) 21:28:16 <drac_boy> hehe 21:32:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth, what's pyrite used for? 21:32:54 <frosch123> sounds like python is made of it 21:33:02 <planetmaker> and why do I get mine craft and WOW as first hits when I search for 'pyrite ore'? 21:33:25 <planetmaker> ah.. iron sulfide 21:33:25 <frosch123> planetmaker: wiki says "katzengold" 21:33:37 <frosch123> i.e. the stuff old people put infront of their house 21:33:41 <planetmaker> :D 21:34:07 * andythenorth has been learning about mining :P 21:34:14 <andythenorth> there are many complex ores :P 21:34:55 * drac_boy actually had been using COIL and ROIL labels for a bit due to the industry chain differences on paper :-s 21:35:02 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:02 <planetmaker> wiki article doesn't exactly suggest wide use economically 21:35:07 <drac_boy> (yep, crude oil straight from ground and then theres refined oil) 21:35:12 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamshavn_Line 21:35:40 <andythenorth> pyrites are a major source of copper, zinc, iron, sulfur 21:36:03 <andythenorth> this I did not know yesterday :P 21:36:27 <planetmaker> 'was used to made sulfuric acide, occasionally also to get iron ore. For copper percentages > 0.5% also copper was gathered. gold gathering only was done when locally enriched' 21:37:12 <andythenorth> I had an adventure through all types of pyrites at lunch time 21:37:33 <andythenorth> there are arsenic pyrites through to zinc pyrites :P 21:38:11 <planetmaker> anyhow... how do you plan to use the pyrite? 21:38:20 <drac_boy> anyway have to go for some time as usual :-s 21:38:24 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has left #openttd [] 21:38:41 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LÞkken_Mine 21:38:49 <andythenorth> pyrite -> chemicals, metal 21:38:52 <andythenorth> electro-smelting 21:39:15 <planetmaker> fair enough 21:39:56 <andythenorth> convenient for a basic economy :D 21:41:35 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 21:41:41 <planetmaker> pyrite -> valuables :D 21:41:55 <planetmaker> the crystal form really looks nice :) 21:42:09 <planetmaker> maybe not valuables but jewlry 21:42:56 <andythenorth> considering it 21:43:13 <frosch123> gemstone 21:43:26 <frosch123> "GEMS" also works as cargolabel :p 21:43:45 <frosch123> but well, diamonds is essentially the same 21:44:18 <andythenorth> :) 21:44:24 <andythenorth> sulfur mine :o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nearly_exhausted_sulphur_vat_from_which_railroad_cars_are_loaded,_Freeport_Sulphur_Co.,_Hoskins_Mound,_Texas,_1a35438v.jpg 21:45:19 <planetmaker> :) 21:48:51 *** iostat [~iostat@p2003006A6C5B6100196C830944C005A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: iostat] 21:50:46 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:56:14 <frosch123> python 3.4 makes the difference :) 21:57:02 <andythenorth> aiui, python 3 is still quite far down the performance curve generally, and older revisions can be quite resource hungry 21:57:13 <andythenorth> I have limited knowledge about it though 21:57:33 <frosch123> memory is fine now 21:57:45 <frosch123> the speed bottleneck actually seems to be the upload script, not eints itself 21:57:51 <frosch123> the vm is 80% idle while uploading 21:59:01 <andythenorth> is âprecious metalsâ a silly cargo? :P 21:59:27 <frosch123> it's fine if you use the GOLD cargolabel :) 22:00:32 <andythenorth> ha ha 22:02:05 * andythenorth has been busy on wikipedia :P 22:02:09 <andythenorth> and has many cargo ideas 22:05:41 <andythenorth> âfurnaceâ 22:05:48 <andythenorth> âconveyor belt factory' 22:05:52 <andythenorth> âmining robot' 22:08:36 <frosch123> did you pick the factorio wiki? 22:12:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A194AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:57 <andythenorth> I shp 22:13:06 <andythenorth> should * 22:13:51 <frosch123> there is a factorio mod with extended cargos 22:14:07 <frosch123> it has one industry that produces salt from water 22:14:18 <frosch123> and another one that produces saltwater from water and salt 22:14:36 <andythenorth> I did play factorio demo for ~1hr 22:14:37 <frosch123> that chain is the only source for saltwater 22:14:44 <andythenorth> but got bored of breeder things killing me 22:14:52 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-162.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: night] 22:15:05 <andythenorth> circular chain fun :P 22:15:07 <frosch123> and you need saltwater electrolyze some things from it 22:15:09 * andythenorth could do that 22:15:16 <frosch123> *to 22:15:26 <frosch123> it's really stupid :p 22:15:27 <andythenorth> fish -> seafood -> bait ->fish 22:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> https://mobile.twitter.com/dannytastisch/status/668831788769366018 [German] 22:17:36 * andythenorth must to bed 22:17:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 22:19:03 <planetmaker> w/c Eddi|zuHause ? or is that anything you want to tell us? 22:19:06 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: at least your links are on-topic :) 22:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> unicorns are always on topic, i thought... 22:19:32 <frosch123> yup :) 22:19:35 <planetmaker> :D ok 22:19:52 <planetmaker> can I request political asylum in austria? 22:19:57 <planetmaker> can I hath unicorn? 22:20:18 <planetmaker> I would even trade my playmobil horse for it 22:20:36 <frosch123> i have no playmobil horse 22:20:44 <frosch123> but i have a unicorn mug 22:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> on a less unicorn-y topic: http://wogcc.state.wy.us/SundryPassWord.cfm sounds like a job for bobby tables :p 22:27:39 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> this one is genious https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/249-now-thats-what-i-call-a-hacker/ 22:33:22 <planetmaker> :) 22:37:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6A0BD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:21 <frosch123> ha, I discovered V's masterplan 22:48:28 <frosch123> snails are immune to fire 22:51:28 *** JezK_ [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 22:55:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x4d0088c6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:59:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db51a29.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 23:11:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:14:23 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:07 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-174.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:24 *** ABCRic_ [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has joined #openttd 23:25:53 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@95.85.3.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:53 *** ABCRic_ is now known as ABCRic 23:40:28 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:19 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause, the last one was really a pearl :D 23:49:31 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]